Over-unity, Free Energy - I believe most of us dont know what they really mean!

[captainpecan]

Okay, bear with me here. This post is just trying to kick around more ideas and theories and maybe get many more of us on the same page. I've been doing some extreme studying of tons of different theories, different types of motors, generators, perpetual motion machine concepts and trying to tie in all this with the Laws of Physics.  So here we go!

First, I believe most people think over-unity and free energy are the same thing. In fact, I believe they are quite different. One I believe is impossible, and the other is proven by the laws of physics! Let me explain:

Definition of free energy, taken from princeton.edu.
free energy ((physics) a thermodynamic quantity equivalent to the capacity of a physical system to do work; the units of energy are joules or ergs) "energy can take a wide variety of forms"

So, free energy, when the term is used the way it is supposed to be, simply means the excess of energy, that already exists that is currently not being used. It's FREE, or AVAILABLE!  Physics proves there is energy of some form in everything, all the time.

Now over-unity, in fact I believe is truely impossible, just as the laws of physics state. But I also believe that under-unity is also impossible! Let me explain. If the laws of physics says energy cannot be created, nor can it be destroyed, then technically every energy device is EXACTLY UNITY! In other words, you may put 15 watts of power into a motor, you will get the exact equivalent to the energy put in, back out.  Except it has all been transformed into rotational, kinetic, heat,  and whatever else. Properly ad all the forces up, and they will equal exactly what was put in. This is why you can still hook an alternator to a motor and get energy back out. You simply change the kinetic or rotational energy into electricity again, but you still lose energy to heat, friction, whatever. But technically, all forces added together still would equal exactly unity.

Now, with my understanding of physics and how things work, it appears most people not properly understanding the true meaning, are thinking of over-unity as simply getting more ELECTRICITY out than the ELECTRICITY they put in. Technically, I dont think that is over-unity we are seeking at all. That is free energy. And technically, the laws of physics actually proves that you CAN get more electricity out than you put in. The laws basically force you to realize that all that is needed to accomplish this is to use one form of energy to actually cause another form of energy to enter the equation. In other words, if you add some current, that pulls in some kinetic energy in some way, when they are combined in the output all together, you should end up with more electricity out, than electricity put in. True free energy, yet not over-unity, or under-unity.

Now, does electricity actually even exist? Is it really just eddy currents? Is it just a magnetic field moving down a piece of metal (copper wire)? Just a few brain warp questions to ponder.

Okay, what do you all think? Am I way off base here? I do think we can achieve exactly what we want, and everything is still proven by the laws of physics. Like the 2 stage machanical oscilator, I dont have a link, but it's a great invention that really does appear to be an answer. Maybe a bit impractical for many uses, but still, a wonderful addition in my opinion.

[orbs]

I think it's very easy to get lost in definitions and terms. People come from many different backgrounds and use terminology differently. At the end, whether it's called free energy, overunity or COP, what matters to the users is whether everybody (or most) is able to get energy without having to pay for it and without depleting any resource. So the critical question could maybe be more along the line of "does it allow you to be (energetically and economically) independent"?

This would also allow hybrid solutions (where parts might not always work reliably or only at certain times).

[captainpecan]

Very true, I feel the same way. But the point I'm getting at is that maybe the answer to the big equation is simply understanding how things truly work. I'm just trying to see how far off I am with my understanding. You see, I think if we face the problem, and work it backwards, the answers we are looking for are right in front of us, we just cant see it yet because we dont know how to look for it.

For instance, send a current through a wire, it hits resistance and creates heat. Work the problem in a new way, super cool it, the resistance drops, and now you have a superconducter! Well, it may not quite be that simple, but you get the idea. I think most people are so concentrated on the output, they are over looking the input. Maybe... lol

[orbs]

the answers we are looking for are right in front of us, we just cant see it yet

I guess we are somewhat in agreement. 

My idea was simply: We don't see it yet because our consciousness it not ready yet. We are not fully clear yet what we want. We want independence (well, a slowly increasing number of us does). Once more people become aware of this goal, they will develop the consciousness to start seeing the solutions/answers. More of a top-down approach than of a bottom-up approach (I know the latter one is so much fun but it's sooo easy to get lost). So let's trick people by choosing a term that has the word "independent" in it and "brainwash" them us to become more conscious.    [Maybe add "responsible" to it also.]

Sorry for deranging your thread... Back to technical stuff...

[captainpecan]

My idea was simply: We don't see it yet because our consciousness it not ready yet.

Possible, who knows..