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I found this part of the story a little bit backward in logic, so feel free to share your opinion.

The snake (evil) convince Adam and Eve to eat the apple (knowledge).   What the story said is they should not eat the apple. 

1/ my argument:   Knowledge is wisdom, it does you more good than harm. 

2/ back argument:   Knowledge allow one to know both good and evil, there for evil can be created.

I say what's the point of free will if you have no knowledge.  That means you're just sheeps waiting to be feed on time.  The story implies that Adam and Eve should just be ignorance.  To me, the story have been twisted.  The snake should be God, and God in the story should be the snake. 

The problem you are running into is not properly identifying the elements involved.

The serpent was subtle implying deception.

The knowledge included the knowledge of  evil.

Eve accepted the direct contradiction to the truth that God had revealed to them.  This is the first lie recorded in the Bible.

Here they are contrasted:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

There is only one truth.

What happens afterward is also of importance:

God goes on to ask Adam what he did, and he blames Eve AND God, instead of himself. God then asks Eve what she did, and she blames the serpent, instead of herself. (They both passed the blame onto someone or something else instead of owning up to it).

3:9 Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
3:10 The man said, “I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
3:11 God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
3:13 Yahweh God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”


::) Just my two cents

my point is without the knowledge of good and  evil, what are Adam and Eve?

from http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/som31.htm

THE GARDEN OF EDEN

The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation. Man chose to depart from Good, and man alone must choose to return to It. God lets him alone; for he is a free agent and may do as he wills with himself. When man decides to return to his Father's House, he will find that his Father is still there. "Act as though I am and I will be." "Onlook the Deity and the Deity will onlook thee." "Be firm and ye shall be made firm." "As though hast believed so be it done unto thee."  "Ask and it shall be given unto you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you."  God's Creation is Perfect and we must wake to the fact and know that we are now in the Kingdom of Heaven.


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if anyone is interested in the science of mind read the whole book online for free here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/index.htm
http://www.websyte.com/unity/title.htm

download the science of mind book for free as .pdf file here:
http://hackersclub.net/Ernest_Holmes_The_Science_of_Mind_1926.pdf

There is much wisdom to be found here:


http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/kingdom/twohands/twohandsof.html


Mr. Eby was blessed to undestand the truth of why God allows evil for a time....and many more truths as well!


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS

Bible,biblia,biblioteca :
the book of the books ,a book convolut

NT,AT: in original in anglo-saxonic language written ? I think, NO !

Apple, Apfel , maçã ,....... .
Snake, Schlange , vibra, cobra,..... .
                                                                 apple pie
Father,Vater, Pater, Pai,.... .

OU-unity.com could become an ORBS/URBS-cycle ,GEISTREICH/WELTREICH,

                                       beGREIF ES doch einfach,

use yourself "KABBALA WITH LOVE" ,  the SCRABBLE for adults.

Have a good day
                        CdL

What if the serpent was actually a "guy" named Steve..and the bible was just cryptically reporting the first 'menage a trois' ?

Regards...

I am sorry but i don't understand what  lancaIV is talking about, not so quick on the uptake i guess.....

anyways, here's a funny way to look at things

Knowledge is power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
therefore absolute knowledge corrupts

what I'm trying to say is the more you know, the more it is that the things you know can be used for evil, to know everything would be to know both good and bad of what is ultimately possible.

I think people in general can never handle the power that comes through knowledge, a person maybe, but everyone is not the same.
We are killing ourselves off with our knowledge of the world right now....pollution, nukes, genetics, and better ways to kill each other off
knowledge of these things is not evil, it depends on the person or persons who knows of them.
This is what i think the bible is saying.
to Know is to seek death and life at the same time, dark and light, good and evil,
we are cursed with the lust of power and knowledge, no matter our intentions
Its a matter of time until somebody with the knowledge of how to end the world does just that, ends it.

Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 29, 2008, 03:05:53 PM


The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation.

Ok, now you have a better version of the bible.  In this version, god is neutral. 

Quote from: wile_coyote7 on October 29, 2008, 12:32:49 PM


3:9 Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
3:10 The man said, “I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
3:11 God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
3:13 Yahweh God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Ok, so clearly the people written the older version of the bible doesn't know what he talking about. 

Steven Greer's AERO and Orion Project: sincere effort to usher in free energy or eloquent intel. front


Steven Greer, the chairman of The Disclosure Project, the organization founded in the early ninety nineties to disclose the presence of extraterrestrials and government suppression of evidence regarding the matter has taken on a newer, more daring escapade. This time, disclosing free energy technology to the world by presenting a robust , functional, closed loop, multiple kilowatt free energy device to the world, in tandem with a myriad of free energy inventors and a network of elite celebrities who are determined to see clean abundant alternatives into to the light. All this will be presented at a conference at the
National Press Club, in the same fashion as his famed 01 conference. The idea is to reach hundreds of millions, to make them aware that there are more clean alternatives than wind , geothermal and solar. He has stated that he is working on having a demonstrator unit built  and have it be duplicated and verified by at least three independent sources. So, we assume that there are no robust units available in the public domain and that this is the obstacle to the grand press conference. He founded two organizations in this light- a non profit- Orion Project- to develop technology  and a standard company- AERO(Advanced Energy Research Organization) for marketing. In addition to this, he has asked for the public to donate three million dollars for a research facility. He states repeatedly through radio talk shows and visual presentations that all free energy inventors needs to work with him because that's the only way they can get around the ardent suppression of the last 100 years. The suppression is without doubt but the fact of the matter is that there are numerous free energy machines in the public domain, robust , multiple kilowatt. They are few and far between , but the holders of these units would be more than happy to give Greer a unit if they believed he was sincere. Greer does not have to have it build and some have been on record for multiple decades and their validity is incontrovertible, already verified and either ready for production as is or on the
brink of it. It is doubtful that he is not aware of:


1. testatika 3kw self running, harnessing electrostatic energy, multiple units, ranging from 300 watts to 30 kilowatts have been running Meternitha ,Switzerland for the last 30 years



2. bedini generator 10kw, runs John Bedini's workshop lights, New Energy Series dvds



3. newman generator - has been on record for 20 years , validated by 40 professionals, Joe Newman  appeared on johnny Carson, and given wide media coverage, has videos on google video showing his machines work


4. Daniel Dingel water cars, on record since 1968, has multiple cars running on water for everyday driving and farm work, Daniel Dingel is not dead and his cars, which exist today are as functional as anything Stan Meyer came up with.


Based of of his cozy relationship with people like the Rockefellers( the illuminati) and his lack of action as far the obvious is concerned, it must be looked upon as a likely possibility that whole affair may be nothing but a trojan hose, keeping tracks on inventors  and keeping them from attempting anything on their own.this is not a novel concept, the Noetics Institute of Edgar mitchell is just that. On the other hand , free energy is not intangible such as aliens, and we are at the cusp of a totalitarian police state- the new world order- and free energy would disrupt that

i call upon governing members of the free energy movement, such as Sterling d Allan and Tom Beardan to look into this affair because something stinks

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on October 29, 2008, 05:03:05 PM
anyways, here's a funny way to look at things

Knowledge is power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
therefore absolute knowledge corrupts

what I'm trying to say is the more you know, the more it is that the things you know can be used for evil, to know everything would be to know both good and bad of what is ultimately possible.

I think people in general can never handle the power that comes through knowledge, a person maybe, but everyone is not the same.
We are killing ourselves off with our knowledge of the world right now....pollution, nukes, genetics, and better ways to kill each other off
knowledge of these things is not evil, it depends on the person or persons who knows of them.
This is what i think the bible is saying.
to Know is to seek death and life at the same time, dark and light, good and evil,
we are cursed with the lust of power and knowledge, no matter our intentions
Its a matter of time until somebody with the knowledge of how to end the world does just that, ends it.

Pyrodin,
So clearly you mean knowledge and wisdom is different.  Knowledge is like how to physically manipulate things and wisdom is like how to make others happy etc...  Knowledge is physical while wisdom is spiritual.  I think it's easier to separate them out like that.  In a way it's true. Having alot of knowledge without wisdom will just end up in destruction.  Having wisdom without knowledge is just a happy group live around with nature.  In a way, I don't think having high technology really improves our lives.  We live much better on spiritual.   

@atomicX
yeah, pretty much...
just because you can doesn't mean you should... and all that jazz...

btw who says nature isnt high technology ;)

Quotebtw who says nature isnt high technology

Unfortunately, many people are either simply too cowardly, or morally compromised to confront the notion.  The act of pondering such truth causes them pain.  They truly do not see any potential value in subjecting themselves to what they consider a 'Hypothetical Creator'.


A very interesting movie:


http://www.expelledthemovie.com/


TS


P.S.  An interesting experience:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg

There is no need to make things complicated the story of adam and eve is simple

1/ Adam and eve were commanded by god to replenish the Earth that is populate it

2/ They did not know they were naked they had no knowledge of good and evil or how to replenish populate the earth

3/ Eve partook of the fruit and then discovered that in order to replenish she needed adam to eat of the fruit and know what she now knew so eve offered the fruit to adam we dont know the exact conversation but you can be sure eve had a few womanlly attributes he did not want to leave and so he too partook of the fruit

4/ they then had knowledge of good and evil and discovered they were naked and hid from God

5/God found them and they were cast out of the garden. They  could not have stayed in the garden and eat of  the fruit of the tree of life as they would have lived forever not tasteing death, so they were cast out and would suffer death realizeing what god had said that  by doing so they would surely die.

6/ So they could now fullfill the commandment toreplenish the earth

Simple ay john

Quote from: johnagain on October 30, 2008, 04:53:12 AM


5/God found them and they were cast out of the garden. They  could not have stayed in the garden and eat of  the fruit of the tree of life as they would have lived forever not tasteing death, so they were cast out and would suffer death realizeing what god had said that  by doing so they would surely die.

6/ So they could now fullfill the commandment toreplenish the earth

Simple ay john

It was not necessary for them to break one commandment to fullfill the commandment to replenish the earth.

Part of the curse was to increase conception.  Eve was already perfect and able to concieve as was Adam.  They were not naive as to how procreation occurred as all of nature was set up for procreation.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

You cannot multiply something that is impossible.

I don't know if any of you got the point of the story.The point is there was a fatal error and this is the way it is...no exceptions.This tries to explain the mysteries of death.The other species on this planet are not cursed with the knowledge of their own mortality...therfore they spend no time thinking about it or being fearful of it. in order for people(knowing good and evil) to live unincumbered by this apprehension of doom and their eventual fate(death) they must not be burdened with this mindset.Religion all over the world attempts to free us of this burden by a presupposed knowledge of the afterlife,teaching us in a sense to "know" by "faith" or "beleif" that we can live without this nagging feeling of impending doom.There are many ways around the problem without knowing or faith or beleif and one is getting off your thinking butt and doing something.Another problem is freedom because doing "something" as far as the world is concerned has been reduced to slavery.Slavery is a lot of things and one is boring.You will die owing some rich family for the very air that you breath.But the rich have the burden of knowing they will die also but in a more elite and significant way(sarcasm).So it is hard to distract oneself in a repetitive "grind".I have hyptohesized that man's knowledge of things other than the present was evolved somehow from eating psychoactive plants.I actually got the idea from comparing the story of adam and eve and the forbidden tree with the story of the eqyptian tree of life and by looking up the actual kind of tree it was.these psychoactive drugs give the user a feeling of instantaniously "connecting" thought and reality.the aminos in the drugs can also cause birth defects so it was my thought that man could very well be the drug enfluenced evolution of another primate.

Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 29, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
from http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/som31.htm

THE GARDEN OF EDEN

The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation. Man chose to depart from Good, and man alone must choose to return to It. God lets him alone; for he is a free agent and may do as he wills with himself. When man decides to return to his Father's House, he will find that his Father is still there. "Act as though I am and I will be." "Onlook the Deity and the Deity will onlook thee." "Be firm and ye shall be made firm." "As though hast believed so be it done unto thee."  "Ask and it shall be given unto you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you."  God's Creation is Perfect and we must wake to the fact and know that we are now in the Kingdom of Heaven.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
if anyone is interested in the science of mind read the whole book online for free here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/index.htm
http://www.websyte.com/unity/title.htm

download the science of mind book for free as .pdf file here:
http://hackersclub.net/Ernest_Holmes_The_Science_of_Mind_1926.pdf

I have basic agreement with this. However I would not say that "The Garden of Eden" stands for mans "original state" (which kind of designates time and distance) but rather our present Reality which is right now beyond all conceptual story, space and time. It is our foundational reality which can be consciously realized at any given moment....now. We are not in it, we are IT.

j's $.02

@christo4_99
Ahh, a Terence Mckenna follower then?
I do believe that psychoactive plants may play a part in the developing of the size of our brains.
I mean, why the hell would we only use a little part of a large brain?
-because the rest developed by crosswiring with a psycho active substance, kinda like flexing a muscle by shocking it, it gets bigger even though you are not technically using it.
-or we were genetically engineered, Adam and Eve were the first successful projects, and all that extra brain mass is just leftovers. I think the human genome project backs this up a little.

QuoteI mean, why the hell would we only use a little part of a large brain?

I suspect that is a widely divergent 'we' of which you speak.  I've learned the hard way to trust none of what the garden variety PHD says, and less than half of what he shows you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg


TS

Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 29, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
from http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/som31.htm

THE GARDEN OF EDEN

The Garden of Eden typifies man's original state of perfection before he began to have experience. The Tree of Knowledge means the Life Principle which can be used both ways. It bore the fruit of the knowledge of both kinds of experience, good and evil, freedom and limitation. Man must choose which kind of fruit he will eat. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."  Man makes his choice consciously but generally in ignorance. The serpent typifies the Life Principle viewed from the materialistic viewpoint; it casts man from his perfect state through his belief in duality and separation. Man chose to depart from Good, and man alone must choose to return to It. God lets him alone; for he is a free agent and may do as he wills with himself. When man decides to return to his Father's House, he will find that his Father is still there. "Act as though I am and I will be." "Onlook the Deity and the Deity will onlook thee." "Be firm and ye shall be made firm." "As though hast believed so be it done unto thee."  "Ask and it shall be given unto you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you."  God's Creation is Perfect and we must wake to the fact and know that we are now in the Kingdom of Heaven.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
if anyone is interested in the science of mind read the whole book online for free here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/index.htm
http://www.websyte.com/unity/title.htm

download the science of mind book for free as .pdf file here:
http://hackersclub.net/Ernest_Holmes_The_Science_of_Mind_1926.pdf

FreeEnergy, this all makes perfect sense; I'm a fan of and believer in metaphysical principles. Also, I have been exposed to the idea that the Bible story is a metaphor for individual spiritual realization and growth, as well as a metaphor for world/race/cultural experience and knowledge.

Last night on public television I watched part of a program about fractals, highlighting the work of Benoit Mandelbrot. I'm very familiar with fractals. The basic idea of a fractal is that the smallest parts of a structure are similar in nature to the whole, and the nature of the whole can be deduced from a smaller part.

I think the ideas of fractals and holographic similarity in the universe applies as well in the domain of the mind and mythical stories. Isn't it true and logical that the Adam and Eve story, conveying psychological development and concepts of good and evil, reflects the story of each individual's mental growth and challenges? The movement of the mind from a baby's level to an adult's? The larger development of societies and cultures? Even of the race mind?

The Adam and Eve story encapsulates some powerful and fundamental questions that each of us, and our entire race, must deal with before we move forward to a higher level of conciousness: What, really, is good and evil? Does a strict interpretation of good/evil, male/female, innocence/knowledge, and other dualities help or hinder our ability to be compassionate and understanding? Can dual and holistic views both be useful and exist in the same space?

The characters of God, Adam, Eve, the devil, the serpent, etc., exist in the God mind, superconscious, subconcious, and conscious minds, who play out the challenge of temptation and decisions of social responsibility that confront us all.
 

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on October 30, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
@christo4_99
Ahh, a Terence Mckenna follower then?
I do believe that psychoactive plants may play a part in the developing of the size of our brains.
I mean, why the hell would we only use a little part of a large brain?
-because the rest developed by crosswiring with a psycho active substance, kinda like flexing a muscle by shocking it, it gets bigger even though you are not technically using it.
-or we were genetically engineered, Adam and Eve were the first successful projects, and all that extra brain mass is just leftovers. I think the human genome project backs this up a little.

I've never heard of this guy Terence Mckenna,i came to this on my own account.It makes sense that people seem to have come from nowhere in the scheme of how old the earth is and the Bible gives no account of the timeline and environment beyond the desert from whence it came.

QuoteDoes a strict interpretation of good/evil, male/female, innocence/knowledge, and other dualities help or hinder our ability to be compassionate and understanding?

I think the better word would be 'Accurate' instead of 'strict'.  I think Yeshua, Jesus Christ said it best....."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"  and  "As you judge, so shall you be judged".



Of course, He also stated:  " I am the way, the truth, and the life, and none shall come unto the Father except through Me."



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,



TS

@christo4_99

Never? well good thinking christo, you came to the same conclusion

Quote from: christo4_99 on October 30, 2008, 11:10:23 AM
psychoactive drugs give the user a feeling of instantaneously "connecting" thought and reality.the aminos in the drugs can also cause birth defects so it was my thought that man could very well be the drug enfluenced evolution of another primate.

he wrote a book
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plantsandhealers.com%2Fbook_images%2FTerenceMcKennaFoodOfTheGods.gif&hash=e642fa81f3bfcb385dd347855e3e00df79995aab)
which talks about this concept.....
he also did quite a lot of acid and fried his brain pretty good...
you can download this entire book somewhere...... lost the link though

@techstuf

Quote from: TechStuf on October 30, 2008, 12:56:25 PM

I suspect that is a widely divergent 'we' of which you speak.  I've learned the hard way to trust none of what the garden variety PHD says, and less than half of what he shows you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg


TS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg
is this you?

I think most of these afterlife experiences ar just halucinations of what people want to see when they die.
when your brain thinks your going to die a whole mess of chemicals are released as well as starving your brain of oxygen and blood. this could definatle be what people call heaven and hell-
you would really understand only if you have had good and bad "TRIPS"
somebody who has never had a hallucinogenic experience wouldn't understand

Quote from: johnagain on October 30, 2008, 04:53:12 AM
There is no need to make things complicated the story of adam and eve is simple

1/ Adam and eve were commanded by god to replenish the Earth that is populate it

2/ They did not know they were naked they had no knowledge of good and evil or how to replenish populate the earth

3/ Eve partook of the fruit and then discovered that in order to replenish she needed adam to eat of the fruit and know what she now knew so eve offered the fruit to adam we dont know the exact conversation but you can be sure eve had a few womanlly attributes he did not want to leave and so he too partook of the fruit

4/ they then had knowledge of good and evil and discovered they were naked and hid from God

5/God found them and they were cast out of the garden. They  could not have stayed in the garden and eat of  the fruit of the tree of life as they would have lived forever not tasteing death, so they were cast out and would suffer death realizeing what god had said that  by doing so they would surely die.

6/ So they could now fullfill the commandment toreplenish the earth

Simple ay john

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no no no, you guys said earlier god said "or in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
and the rest of the logic is just as flawed... god commanded us to "replenish", but didn't give us the knowledge how to? wtf is that?
its so fucking amusing how weak willed people take a literary device and turn it into something monstrous, thereby using it as justification for all sorts of atrocities against humanity.

Quoteits so fucking amusing how weak willed people take a literary device and turn it into something monstrous,

Speaking of 'weak willed' and 'monstrous'.....


Though not 'amusing' in the least, I find it rather hypocritical you should speak the above, as you obviously lack the will power to overcome immature vulgarity....the impetus for many a monstrous eventuality.


Blessings be upon you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS

Quoteyou would really understand only if you have had good and bad "TRIPS"

Some lessons are best learned through the bad 'trips' of others....


I'd hate to get stuck on one of those bad 'trips' with no way of returning.


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=588


A bottomless pit sounds like the 'pits'!


TS

Quote from: TechStuf on October 30, 2008, 06:31:41 PM


Speaking of 'weak willed' and 'monstrous'.....


Though not 'amusing' in the least, I find it rather hypocritical you should speak the above, as you obviously lack the will power to overcome immature vulgarity....the impetus for many a monstrous eventuality.


Blessings be upon you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS

oh are you offended? without thinking of how you might be offending people with your vulgarity (ie: proselytizing about some imaginary friend we must worship)
alluding that i am weak willed and monstrous is the epitome of hypocrisy seeing how thats not what your precious jesus taught. i am not shackled by such immature beliefs so... RAMEN, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage.

i also find it fucking amusing that while you believe "GOD" gave you a mind and senses you fore go their use.

Quote from: TechStuf on October 30, 2008, 04:30:00 PM



I think the better word would be 'Accurate' instead of 'strict'.  I think Yeshua, Jesus Christ said it best....."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"  and  "As you judge, so shall you be judged".



Of course, He also stated:  " I am the way, the truth, and the life, and none shall come unto the Father except through Me."



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,



TS

Or maybe "unyielding." People have argued where good ends and evil begins, and vice versa, for millennia. Sure, there are ideals we can aspire to, but in different contexts and situations, what appears to be good or evil can appear differently. It seems to me that only God, with full knowledge of all time and all events, could see this with complete accuracy.

Indeed, "Do unto others..." is the best way of saying this, with application of love and forgiveness to our best understanding and ability.

"As you judge, so shall you be judged" says that judgment (or unyielding thinking) with respect to another is being applied equally as much and at the same time to our own self, since in the moment of judgment we are seeing a belief-limited aspect of our own human nature in the other.

All of human nature is present in each one of us, and we see this only to the degree with which we strive for and allow ourselves. This is the understanding of fractals and holography applied to human nature.

QuoteIt seems to me that only God, with full knowledge of all time and all events, could see this with complete accuracy.

Good point, which is why I take Him at His Word.


http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/the-case-for-christ.htm


Blessings,


TS

Inebriated, you stated, among other things:

Quotealluding that i am weak willed and monstrous is the epitome of hypocrisy

Your petulent rage is notable.  As for your charge that I alluded to you being monstrous, I made no such "allusion".  Lacking in will power, yes, I spoke it plainly for everyone to see.  Your vulgar language does not help your cause, such as it is.  It has long been the hallmark of those lacking self control.  As for my observation that immature vulgarity is the impetus for many a monstrous eventuality...

Well, I've no need at all to defend that statement....

Yahweh works in mysterious ways, If He is imaginary, then I'm sure you haven't a thing to worry about, and will continue on in your rebellious course.  If not, then perhaps you may soon have reason to thank Him for putting an obstacle in your path to oblivion, giving you pause for reflection.

I thank Him for the ones He put in mine.


Blessings be upon you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS

Quote from: TechStuf on October 30, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
Inebriated, you stated, among other things:

Your petulent rage is notable.  As for your charge that I alluded to you being monstrous, I made no such "allusion".  Lacking in will power, yes, I spoke it plainly for everyone to see.  Your vulgar language does not help your cause, such as it is.  It has long been the hallmark of those lacking self control.  As for my observation that immature vulgarity is the impetus for many a monstrous eventuality...

Well, I've no need at all to defend that statement....

Yahweh works in mysterious ways, If He is imaginary, then I'm sure you haven't a thing to worry about, and will continue on in your rebellious course.  If not, then perhaps you may soon have reason to thank Him for putting an obstacle in your path to oblivion, giving you pause for reflection.

I thank Him for the ones He put in mine.


Blessings be upon you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS

it's not rebellious to not believe in fairy tales. point in fact, that is what separates the children from the adults.

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 31, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
it's not rebellious to not believe in fairy tales. point in fact, that is what separates the children from the adults.

I am an adult. I have a wife and family that I responsibly support. I go to a job each day to responsibly earn a living and use the talents that I have been given. I do my best to respect my fellow human being and try as I might to be a good citizen, father, friend, husband, son, brother, and worker. I also support your right to express your opinion. I also believe in the bible and its wisdom and history.

Guess what, I also believe in Adam and Eve because it is the logical way that the Almighty would create the universe, world and everything on it. All at once so that it would continue on with all the sunlight, atmosphere, water, and interacting creatures that would sustain its existance, with humans to watch over and appreciate it all. Humans with a free will that could reject or believe in a supreme being with the image of the Almighty and the ability to create and destroy. With whom God can interact and experience this universe with.

I am an adult, not a child; and I am responsible for my actions and decisions which I will be judged for after death. You are an adult also with the same free will and ability to decide what you want to believe in.

I have found that the anger that is felt by those who don't wish to believe in a supreme being stems from a loving of their sin. They are filled with sin and reject their need to denounce it. There is something in the bible that they find churns up a guilt for a sin or sins they commit in their lives and they reject it loudly with foul language and shouting. It is this need to justify their sin that drives them. They call it freedom, and they call God a fairy tale.

I must tell you that you will be judged after your death as well. I am doing this in the hope you will open your heart and mind to God and search for His love and guidance. Open your heart, get down on your knees and pray for guidance. If you ask, He will give it to you. If you don't ask for it, it most likely won't happen and you will continue in your anger until your death. What a sad way to end.

If you wish to denounce and insult me then I accept your decision, but I know that at least I did what I could to try and get you to understand that you are wrong. I am an adult, not a child.

Tata,dede,mama,papa,pipi,chichi: these is baby-language.
pa-pa: pater,padre,pai
ma-ma: mater,madre,mae
But there is a written art/kind and a spelling art/kind and a pronouncing art/kind and from this all
a different art/kind to transformating/transducing/telefering/metaporting/translating these abstracts,
abstract INFORMATION= FUNKTIONs in concrete FUNCTIONs reaction/-s,because the receptor is concentrated, or not,
the receptor does understand the received Information- because he/she/they are involved,or not.
The babies are simulating,mimikry, the movement of mouth and/or sound waves.
Antenna-principle:base,collector,emissor.
We as living characters need for communication a language , which indicate our feelings and wishes.
But we all need a structure consense, a gramatical structure , and to use - by same- meaning-
the same words/imaginations/mind pictures.

When we discuss about old histories, then we have to introduce ourselves into the ancient
living/traditions conditions.
The division of the earth-leader,First/Fuerst/Duke/Duce and the division of the heaven/e(a)ven-leader, schamane/patriarca/doge.

When we read about the jewish history, we read also about opposition, inner state ( = civil) wars,
blasphemie,haeresie and all such denominations like today for each pro-/contra-formations like
to find as parliaments,congresses,councils and so on.
One of the best pro-/contra-examples, as ironical one, in the movie Monthy Pythons"The live of Brian"
the discussion about the romans, enemies? or friends? the final -Amen!- decision !

              CR~ C-ISSO-R , decision ; PAX CRISTI wheel- the pro/contra balance as hipo-tesis


CdL
 

Quote from: ResinRat2 on October 31, 2008, 07:42:13 AM
I am an adult. I have a wife and family that I responsibly support. I go to a job each day to responsibly earn a living and use the talents that I have been given. I do my best to respect my fellow human being and try as I might to be a good citizen, father, friend, husband, son, brother, and worker. I also support your right to express your opinion. I also believe in the bible and its wisdom and history.

Guess what, I also believe in Adam and Eve because it is the logical way that the Almighty would create the universe, world and everything on it. All at once so that it would continue on with all the sunlight, atmosphere, water, and interacting creatures that would sustain its existance, with humans to watch over and appreciate it all. Humans with a free will that could reject or believe in a supreme being with the image of the Almighty and the ability to create and destroy. With whom God can interact and experience this universe with.

I am an adult, not a child; and I am responsible for my actions and decisions which I will be judged for after death. You are an adult also with the same free will and ability to decide what you want to believe in.

I have found that the anger that is felt by those who don't wish to believe in a supreme being stems from a loving of their sin. They are filled with sin and reject their need to denounce it. There is something in the bible that they find churns up a guilt for a sin or sins they commit in their lives and they reject it loudly with foul language and shouting. It is this need to justify their sin that drives them. They call it freedom, and they call God a fairy tale.

I must tell you that you will be judged after your death as well. I am doing this in the hope you will open your heart and mind to God and search for His love and guidance. Open your heart, get down on your knees and pray for guidance. If you ask, He will give it to you. If you don't ask for it, it most likely won't happen and you will continue in your anger until your death. What a sad way to end.

If you wish to denounce and insult me then I accept your decision, but I know that at least I did what I could to try and get you to understand that you are wrong. I am an adult, not a child.

i have found that people who believe in something as asinine as 'sin' project it onto people who do not subscribe to such asinine dogma. if you wanna believe you are a sinner, have at it, but don't start calling me a sinner or i'll start calling you a dumb ass. such a thing as sin does not exist, other than as a temporal construct in your vulgar fairytale.

i'm not angry, more like amused. as far as getting down on my knees before anyone or anything, not gonna happen, ever. see one of the things i value highly is my sovereignty, and therefore i'm not in the habit of bowing and kneeling.

i know you're probably gonna go on with your fairytale, but i know that at least i did what i could to try and get you to understand that you are wrong...

Ok people, this is getting ridiculous.  Godel was so right, there always a flaw in logic no matter how details people go into.  Let's talk about something else.

It is written that when the first white people came to the south of Afrika they asked the "black"
(indigenos/a(r)borigine) people who they are !

The answer/response : Kaffar !
                                  Today we would translate this with Pilger/Pilgrims.
But the Whites used this in an other mention : Kaffer !     
Buren alike burros, a little difference: burros =  donkies/Esel,pl.
               
                    K KI KEY       Kappa  KAPPA   APPA ABBA ABBÉ  :
                                                in search
                               "Stuhl Petri,Schluessel der Petrus-Pforte"
                                         Welche Kombination ?

                                         3,14....   und    2,71.....
                                       
                                 - Left side K and Right side K-         double-head
                         
Brian 334 : 333 Issos,Gordonen     Alexandre,"le Magnifique"  Aristoteles       
                 borderline  Eur-asia   okzident/orient  C-ISSO-R= KEYSOR CAESAR
                 alluah~allua~a lua = the moon   

                 oxala: in schallah-Kismet-cisme-fatum-Schicksal         

                 Adam Adamo Asamo  = S(t)am(m)       
                 Eve Eva Eba               = Baum/tree      
                 Moses-Moishe-Mosche/e-Moasiv     (in Hollywood Moadib  "DUNE")
                 Tribu Tribut Tribunal

                 In front of each "domus iustitiae", the colossal figure is called how ?
                 Sword and balance- ergo- MERCATOR- is it not !?    All forces = female
                 iustitiare= messen = measuring = peilen = calibrating
                 the market/ der Markt : here in Portugal o mercado
                 When you go to the church, this is because the MESS - is it not !?  Compare: MESSIAS
                 domus - dominare - dome -Dom : in Hamburg the Dom is not a church, but also a Mess´.
                 
                 We do all im-/port expressions, words, denominations-
                 but do we also im-/export the sin !?
                   
                 

even the most good and most evil men must lay their big ass head down,with it's giant brain...and go to sleep...

Everything goes back to being just dust.All the animal and plant life in the past have gone back to being dust.The future will come from the dust.All the plants,animals, and people who are yet to be will come from the dust of the earth and maybe one day dust from the moon and mars?Just ranting and raving here.Triffid