it produces about half a volt, at 0.5 uA.
a thin layer of copper,
a thin layer of dry polymer,
and a thin layer of steel.
all 3 together equaling a little under 1/16th of an inch thick.
pressed together by a 7/16th of an inch wide space.
it works better than this, when the glue dries on the metal.
because that causes the polymer, to covalently bond to the metals.
so that the polymer and the metals share the same magnetic field, through the covalent bonds.
i have not tried stacking together multiple layers.
because i'm interested in building a bedini motor now.
building a more efficient model, than what i have seen others build so far.
Hello all,
@nitinnun
What sort of polymer do you use? PVC, nylon, ......
Otto
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 05:18:20 AM
i have not tried stacking together multiple layers.
because i'm interested in building a bedini motor now.
building a more efficient model, than what i have seen others build so far.
I suggest you stick with the polymer "battery"
The bedini motor has been replicated by the best without success, heck why am I bothering, I always say the best way to learn the impossible is to try it.
What I don't understand, why so many people here are building such batteries. What should be the advantage of such batteries. These are just normal batteries, aren't they?
If you take 2 different metals, you will always get a voltage, this is how a battery works.
cells like the one above work, even after being shorted out for weeks straight.
my oldest rock hard cells are more than a year old. and still produce electricity.
polymer keeps its shape for a very, very long time. so i expect that they would work for decades.
it is not a battery. it is its very own power source.
and when connected in series or parallel, they stack.
the polymer i used, is elmers school glue.
together, the cell forms into this:
H H H H H H
I I I I I I
Fe-C-C-C-C-C-C-Cu
I I I I I I
H H H H H H
this is the basic form of all/most polymers.
but most glues have materials in them, that eitehr disrupt the polymer chains between the metals.
or make the polymer have so little electrical resistance, that the 2 metals short each other out electrically.
all of those atoms are covalently bonded.
all of those atoms share their magnetic fields. making one giant magnetic field. because they are covalently bonded.
i think the copper generates excess clockwise spinning magnetism.
and the iron generates excess counter0clockwise spinning magnetism.
and when these 2 magnetisms exist in the same magnetic field, they charge up the magnetic field !
by the way.
i checked. and the layer of glue was thicker than both metals combined.
maybe next time, i will make a film of glue thinner than 1/32nd of an inch.
i will go the distance!
Quotemy oldest rock hard cells are more than a year old. and still produce electricity.
polymer keeps its shape for a very, very long time. so i expect that they would work for decades.
Well the Zamboni-Pile batteries worked for more than 100 years! And if the intermediate medium between the metals slows the ion exchange process, it will still work even after a long long time shorting. The disadvantage of such a "bad ion coupling" is that you will only get small amounts of amperages.
Quoteit is not a battery. it is its very own power source.
Well this is just a statement of yours. Why should it not be a normal battery? For your setup is exactly the setup of a battery!
Quote from: Shanti on October 30, 2008, 05:52:36 AM
If you take 2 different metals, you will always get a voltage, this is how a battery works.
Shanti
Exactly
Only with most batterys the chemecal reaction is very short lived.
I made a glue cell many months ago .
The glue is compleatly dry .
with the glue dry the current was about half as much as when it was wet .
Shorting it out for over a week didn't change the reading much .
It did take a about a day to recover ......
gary
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 05:18:20 AM
it produces about half a volt, at 0.5 uA.
a thin layer of copper,
a thin layer of dry polymer,
and a thin layer of steel.
all 3 together equaling a little under 1/16th of an inch thick.
pressed together by a 7/16th of an inch wide space.
it works better than this, when the glue dries on the metal.
because that causes the polymer, to covalently bond to the metals.
so that the polymer and the metals share the same magnetic field, through the covalent bonds.
i have not tried stacking together multiple layers.
because i'm interested in building a bedini motor now.
building a more efficient model, than what i have seen others build so far.
Hi,
I could not find the File that I downloaded a while ago perhaps of the Keely net, but this was a similar experiment ,which produced much higher voltages and if shorted out it recovered. Not a Battery in its sense but much more like a capacitor.
There were two plates I think of aluminum and sandwiched between them was a polymer Lexan or acrylic sheet of a thickness to withstand 30000 Volts. Clamped together and with 30000 volt DC applied to either side it was stuck into an oven and heated to kind of melt the polymer onto the alu.plates After that it was removed from the oven still with its voltage connected and cooled.
After cooling the voltage was removed resulting in a selfcharging Device of high voltage.
Always wanted to try that,but never got around to it, therefore unable to confirm, I can not claim that it works.
professor
Quote from: professor on October 30, 2008, 02:45:42 PM
Hi,
I could not find the File that I downloaded a while ago perhaps of the Keely net, but this was a similar experiment ,which produced much higher voltages and if shorted out it recovered. Not a Battery in its sense but much more like a capacitor.
There were two plates I think of aluminum and sandwiched between them was a polymer Lexan or acrylic sheet of a thickness to withstand 30000 Volts. Clamped together and with 30000 volt DC applied to either side it was stuck into an oven and heated to kind of melt the polymer onto the alu.plates After that it was removed from the oven still with its voltage connected and cooled.
After cooling the voltage was removed resulting in a selfcharging Device of high voltage.
Always wanted to try that,but never got around to it, therefore unable to confirm, I can not claim that it works.
professor
Professor
I think I read that a long time ago .
I remember a warning about to much power being used while it is melting
The resistance of the plastic can quickly drop if to much power is used
It looks like it works kind of like electrinium.
As I was writing this I kept getting flashes of a different device .
http://energy21.freeservers.com/elecfg.htm
Adding particles to the dielectric as they did in the electron field generator might raise the output .
gary
this is what you were talking about, professor.
i think that the magnetic field and its iron core,
cause the cells positive charge to go to one pole,
and the negative charge to go to the other pole.
since the 2 charges leave the layers, to go to the iron poles,
the copper and aluminum atoms can dump MUCH more of their energy into the layers.
the polymer cell without the coil and iron core, is like a bucket of water that has a little hole in it.
only a little water can escape from the hole, over time.
when the coil is charged, and the coils magnetic field enters the iron,
it is like you ripped off the bottom of the bucket.
and ALL of the water is fallout out of the bucket.
nitinnun
In the link in my last post figure 3 shows a way that I think your cells could be stacked .
gary
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 06:58:25 PM
this is what you were talking about, professor.
i think that the magnetic field and its iron core,
cause the cells positive charge to go to one pole,
and the negative charge to go to the other pole.
since the 2 charges leave the layers, to go to the iron poles,
the copper and aluminum atoms can dump MUCH more of their energy into the layers.
the polymer cell without the coil and iron core, is like a bucket of water that has a little hole in it.
only a little water can escape from the hole, over time.
when the coil is charged, and the coils magnetic field enters the iron,
it is like you ripped off the bottom of the bucket.
and ALL of the water is fallout out of the bucket.
nitinnun
I am pretty sure that they are not the same .
It has been a while but I think I read about both of them nearly the same time .
The picture on your post is suposed to be used in the testatica ...... the plastic in it is uncooked .................................although ..........it might work better if the 2 devices were combined
Cooking the plastic AND stimulating it with a magnetic field .
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on October 30, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
It looks like it works kind of like electrinium.
As I was writing this I kept getting flashes of a different device .
http://energy21.freeservers.com/elecfg.htm
Adding particles to the dielectric as they did in the electron field generator might raise the output .
I can't build it now .........but I would love to see a glue cell made with particles of silicon carbide ( available at rock shops for tumbling rocks ) or silica sand ..... ( ground up quarts )
Another thing that would be interesting is using hot melt glue instead of elmers .
It would give you a physically stable battery in just a few minutes.
I read in a do it yourself article that hot melt glue is one of the best insulators for high voltage that you can get
gary
why can't you use thin sheets of dried elmers glue?
chemically, it is very similar to plexiglass.
even a 1/32nd thick layer of elmers glue has more than dozzens of mega-ohms of resistance.
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 07:58:02 PM
even a 1/32nd thick layer of elmers glue has more than dozzens of mega-ohms of resistance.
I am just looking at options the hot glue thing is just a hunch .
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on October 30, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
I am just looking at options the hot glue thing is just a hunch .
gary
I had some hot glue and copper and steel from another project so I tried a couple small cells .
Didn't get anything except a little AC .....but that could have been meter error
gary
most glues do not work.
i think it is because their covalent bond chains are broken.
or because there are "disagreeable" materials in the glue.
the only glues i have gotten to work, have been elmers school glue, and woodglue.
and woodglue is unacceptable when dry.
because it bonds very poorly to the metals.