Clearly there is energy in the universe, my question is where does it come from?
Its my opinion that the universe is a weird place.
I hope someone with a PhD can answer this question.
Quote from: brian334 on November 04, 2008, 03:26:26 PM
Clearly there is energy in the universe, my question is where does it come from?
That is not a good question. A better question is where it came from. Is that what you mean?
The energy that is currently in the universe simply exists. It does not need to come from anywhere. It is not like a light bulb, that gets its energy from the electric company.
Just my opinion that has as much physical proof as any other opinion right now.
Google is better place to ask like ´Where does the universe get energy from´ - just insert your question in to Search ::)
http://regenerating-universe.org/10)_How_is_universe_of_energy_structured.htm
In ´OU Universe` most of Energy comes from Selfrunning Waterwheel or/and from Sparking Brushes :o
Cheers,
khabe
Unfortunately i don't belive that we can answer with significant proof where the energy originally came from, as for where it comes from presently i think someone else answered it in the best way it just exists.
Its one of those things that is pointless to dwell on. People can theorise all they like but realistically no answer will ever be correct. It's like the whole big bang theory, its not neccesarily correct but its the best we have or rather the top scientists have at present.
Quote from: ResinRat2 on November 04, 2008, 04:14:27 PM
Just my opinion that has as much physical proof as any other opinion right now.
Indeed it has so many physical proof i am blinded by it .. ;D
So god created the universe and injected energy unto our world .... so then where did god's energy came from ?
Quote from: myrmex on November 05, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
Indeed it has so many physical proof i am blinded by it .. ;D
So god created the universe and injected energy unto our world .... so then where did god's energy came from ?
That I don't know. Just like you don't know where any of the energy come from either.
As I said, my opinion has just as much proof as any other. Go pick on some other opinion and prove that other opinion wrong as well. I will bet you can't.
I stand by my opinion!
Quote from: myrmex on November 05, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
So god created the universe and injected energy unto our world .... so then where did god's energy came from ?
God built a giant methane powered generator, farted and created the universe...everyone knows that. its the most fundamental link between science and religion
Come'on folks;
Matter and energy are interchangable according to E=MC^2. That is for dynamic energy.
Potetential energy is somewhat more complicated based in the configuration of matter
that was aquired in the big-bang or whatever you want to call it at the beginning of the
universe.
So you can (a) absorb some energy that is already there, if your patient. Or (b) know
database-wise were there is a store of potential energy just sitting or lying around
(with a fence around it, no doubt.). Or (c) you can use some procedures on the right
stuff to convert some energy from matter. Various independent dimensions act as an
accounting system for the common components of both matter and energy.
Us in free energy are looking for the universe's accounting system to be systematically
making mistakes in certain situations - after all the universe is a complex place. :D
:S:MarkSCoffman
movement=energy...therefore if you account for inertia and loss of momentum the universe was moving faster than it is now...logically anyway...but since there is evidence that the universe is expanding(speeding up) it would imply that either the subjective state of all matter is movement (energy) or gravity (the counteractive force which impacts all mass to some extent) will in fact return as the dominant strong force...in such a way you can think of all the other forces as borrowing energy from mass...in other words the total energy of the universe has to be accounted for either in mass(stillness) or energy(movement)...which also means that the more motion there is in the universe as a whole the less matter there is...the more stillness the more matter...this also implies that if the universe is gaining energy then it is losing mass...
another idea is that gravity can compress matter beyond it's capacity to fit in the alloted space defined for it...gravity insures that things can never become too massive without again being "spit out" of the area it exists within...it is my opinion that the big bang did not have to happen on such a large scale from one point but that given time to accumulate mass a big bang can happen above a given threshold without the total mass and gravity of all matter...so,gravity=an exponential compression of mass that has a definate threshold...beyond that threshold that compression causes movement(which is probably limited in speed C2)repeled from a given center...
i did some more thinking on this:science has concluded that opposites attract but since gravity is indiscriminate of any kind of polarity this implies that it may very well be the negative content (decompressed space or deficit space) within matter that attracts the positive(compressed space or surplus space) outside of matter.two different densities of space which are separated from each other.
christo, i agree with your thoughts, although molecular movement or atomic, on that scale anyways, still creates energy and carires the potential of. The coalition of atoms ,or better said, attraction, is in itself energy. I tend to think of the universe as a drop of water still in motion as it falls into a puddle. Being absorbed but still it's own entity.
The energy exists in two forms. Energy and black energy. Black energy is the opposite of energy, and when mixed in two equal portions, they will cancel eachother out into nothing.
So where does the energy come from? I believe energy as we see it is a continous equalisation between matter and dark matter by radiation. In sum both matter and dark matter is nothing. So energy as an absolute extent is therefor nothing, and has never arised, never exist, and will never cease. Energy is just an illusion, as we, human beings, is a part of the same energy and black energy battle, and we will also respond to it accordingly in a way that make us believe there is some energy exchange going on in the universe - energy we can use to something. However, energy can be used only temporary, as all energy isn't allways suitable for the task we want it to do. Every time we use energy, we have loss as another energy, in a lower level - it is trying to equalize itself with black energy as soon as something or someone tries to get some work out of it. Energy is an illusion!
So what is work? We move something from point A to B - thats work, but simulntaneously, something else is moved in reverse. As we know very well: Force equals counterforce. If we move 1 kilo 1m, the earth, and in fact the whole universe, moves the opposite direction accordingly - though not very noticeable due to weight difference - and all the other mass movements in all different directions on this planet. The sum of these workouts, is therfor zero, but in exchange we have made a closer gap between energy and dark energy via loss. So work is also an illusion, but as long there is loss on the way from A to B, we, as human beings - a part of the energy vs. black energy battle - believes that work has been done. We see the world from our own eyes.
We are all made of the same matter and energy, and will respond accordingly to the energy in the universe as anything else in there - even if we think we can think, and make decisions on demand - the fact is that we don't. We are all controlled by the same physical laws as for any other parts of the universe.
- It is all an illution -
Just thoughts :)
Vidar
Quote from: ResinRat2 on November 05, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
That I don't know. Just like you don't know where any of the energy come from either.
As I said, my opinion has just as much proof as any other. Go pick on some other opinion and prove that other opinion wrong as well. I will bet you can't.
I stand by my opinion!
Your opinion bears the characteristic of being unfalsefiable. It cannot be proven wrong. However, this is not generally considered a strength, but rather a weakness. The problem is that it also cannot be proven right, and sits along with all the other unfalsifiable arguments out there, such as that there is an invisible and undetectable flying giant elephant that made us all and watches over our every move.
Since this is a forum of opinions, I'll chime in with my 2 cents. Since we can neither prove or disprove how Energy actually came to be, I choose to believe what 90% of rational people choose to believe, that our universe was designed by a Grand architect. And for me, this is The Almighty God. However, pickup a Bible and read the first paragraph. It says: In the beginning the Spirit of God was "hovering over" the Waters and darkness covered the surface of the deep. He said: Let there be light, and BANG,,,,,,There was light. Now, could this be the point where matter and energy (light) were separated???? because it also states that the "heavenly bodies" were not created until the 4th day., so what was the light for the first 3 days?? This "proves" to me that the universe did not mysteriously appear out of thin air, but from matter, Wlere did the matter come from?? I'll ask Him when I see Him ;D, so can you!!
There is no doubt in my mind that we will always be able to ask more questions about the universe than we will ever be able to answer.
Hmmmm... KneeDeep. Low-Q, are you by chance a sharman?
I similarly muse about such illusions from time to time.
Here's a thought for those who need a godly explanation for the beginning of the universe (God, the big bang, etc), and still wish to fully incorporate the scientific principle of conservation of energy/matter.
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In the beginning, was God!
Then there was God for a really, really, really, really long time.
Long enough for God to get really, really, really bored! :(
So God became the forever changing, never boring, energetic universe. :)
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KneeDeep
Cheers all.
Quote from: brian334 on November 04, 2008, 03:42:43 PM
I hope someone with a PhD can answer this question.
Try reading a "brief history of time"
A possible answer could be:
From Quantum Vacuum Fluctuations. Since, the entire universe is appearing and dissapearing at extremely high speed... something happens. I read that appearing means energy taking from the quatum vacuum and dissapearing means energy return to the vacuum. In other words, energy is a loan that universe gets from the vacuum and universe must return to the vacuum in an infinite cycle. Universe maybe is a cycle of energy renovation at extremely high speed.