i have been working with hho for a while now and have some interesting results, i am working on a new project that will hopefully prove fruitful.
it uses the basis of keelys research and also tha of tesla. the frequency i will be using is 42.854khz.
many others are using this frequency. bob boyce has done extensive work on this frequency and its harmonics.
i am going to assume that you have also used some kind of resonance in your experiments and was wondering if anyone has either used this frequency or had any luck with another frequency.
if you have could you give the following details.... frequency used, duty cycle, amps consumed, hho output
i am doing this so that others may be able to choose a frequency that seems most favorable and research that further, in my case i am especially interested in the 42.8khz (ultrasonic) range so any more info would be great. also could you tell me how you are getting the frequency into the water??
The frequency varies as it depends on the volume of the water.. ex a large crystal glass has a different resonant frequency of a smaller crystal glass.
Jason
When the synthetic 'oil crisis' happened in the 70's, Dr. Puharich thought his research could be applied to increasing the hydrolysis of water to produce hydrogen that could be burned for fuel in auto engines, heating or whatever... He found that water, when bubbled at a current of 600 cycles per second, had the highest efficiency of disruption to the gaseous state. This is intriguing because John Keely stated that water could be disrupted at 610, 620 and 12,000 cps....with the most effective frequency being 42.8 khz.
Chemical bonds also behave, in some ways, like a "rubber-band" stretching back and forth, plus wiggling / vibrating. We call these energies "Heat". If there is no vibratory motion here, we have achieved "Absolute Zero". Chemical Bonds each have unique resonate qualities, which allows the bond to collect and hold energy. This resonance allows the chemical bond to accumulate energy to the point, where enough energy can be gathered to counter the force that is bonding the atoms together, and the valence bond then breaks. Action â€" Reaction.The uniqueness of these resonate qualities, allows one to target specific bonds between atoms. In fact, resonance is one method we use to identify atomic bonds, and is a well-known technology. The sample is "pinged" and we then listen for the unique resonances that define the sample's properties.
My experiments with these frequencies showed me nothing out of the ordinary, but, who is to say my setups were not done properly. I have never witnessed any one demonstrating them either so I really have nothing to go on but internet gab. I wish I knew how to ping and listen to water though. They say it can be done but never tell you how to do it. I wonder why?
Thanks Heairbear,
You made this explanation very clear.
I am just starting 'conditioning a cell' as well.
I am going for a torch first and I am using a boughten set of 316L plates to begin with.
Right now, I am using no electrolyte beyond distilled water. I have a 0.47R resistor on the + end of my 12 volt battery and I am "conditioning" sort of by putting the circuit on for 30 minutes then off for another 30. (this is not precise!)
As expected there was no sign of activity on the first two 30 minute on segments .
But in the 3rd on segment I noticed lots of little bubbles on the plates and the glass. It kinda looked like stale water.
The second day, I continued, and on a whim I hand pulsed the - cable from the battery about 2x per second (2Hz). This seemed to jump start bubbles coming off the plates so I kept it up for one minute. I did this hand pulse once again for about 30 more seconds, but not since.
Ever since that little bit of pulsing, the bubbles have been steadily lifting off the plates. (no fizz, of course, but a lot more than I expected for distilled water alone.)
Today is day 3 on this process.
I should also mention that the volts show 0.040v to 0.048v so I am pulling around 0.08 to 0.1 Amp with this. (trickle discharging ;) )
I am also wondering about how to get this pwm/frequency thing going so, I will be watching this thread.
Thanks,
jeanna
One of the possibilities to ponder is modulation of two or more frequencies. When I look at Stan's demo cell I see two frequencies at work. The main frequency of the rectified AC(DC) input to the alternator being 120Hz and the alternator itself is also producing a second frequency determined by the speed of it's rotation. Kanzius using radio waves to burn salt water seems to use modulation also. Reading from Tesla and Keely, the mentioning of chords or dischord (beat frequencies?) are playing a role in the way some of their devices work. Being a musician, I can hear that a chord will not only sound louder but can sympathetically vibrate several different sized and shaped objects in the room as opposed to a single note which seems to only pick out certain objects in it's range. Does this mean a water molecule has several overlapping resonant frequencies that only a chord can be used to break the bonds of the molecule with low power?
hi hairbear
your theory of using a chord instead of a note sounds feasable. it may be due to the fact that water is constantly in a moving state perhaps.
i am going to try the 42.8khz to start with as i have already started to build it and its quite a large project.
i will be getting the 42.8khz frequency into the water with RF waves. basically what i am doing is using a dipole aerial tuned to 42.8khz and transmtting 42.8khz into it. all of the electronics will be resonant to each other so maximum power exchange will occour.
i will be able to transmit upto 1000watts of power.
the power that comes from the dipole will be a concentrated electomagnetic field around the dipole. this power will radiate at very close to the power input and runs at about 95% efficiency.
what i am hoping to do is have this frequency resonate the water at high power, but then use brute force electricity at about 5-10 amps to break the molecules apart and release hho.
i dont want to use the frequency alone as this may turn out to be an uncrontrolable reaction.
i belive by the numbers i have that, it will take a minimum of 750 watts to get the reaction going.
just out of curiosity what would a chord be in the 42.8 khz range??? not too clued up on that sort of thing
An easy way to make a simple "chord" would be to use octaves. Just by doubling or halving the main frequency will give you the next octave. So half of 42.8 would be an octave down and doubling would be an octave up. I believe Bob Boyce used a similar scheme if not exactly. Another example, the common note "A" is about 440cps/Hz and the next octave would be at 880cps/Hz. I would have to look up how the scale changes frequency when using other notes with the main frequency like from A to B, C, D, E, F, and G. There are all sorts of chords too. You could add a 5th to the A, the 5th being an E. There are flatted and sharped notes also, so, the possibilities are endless. Today when we talk about notes, scales, and their respective frequencies, we are talking about a set of rules made by the christian church some years ago. Why they changed it, I don't know. Before then there was a common scale structure called the solfeggio frequencies which are as follows...
The Six Solfeggio Frequencies include:
UT â€" 396 Hz
RE â€" 417 Hz
MI â€" 528 Hz
FA â€" 639 Hz
SOL â€" 741 Hz
LA â€" 852 Hz
What I find very interesting about these frequencies are their direct relation to Rodin Aerodynamics. For a better understanding google Marco Rodin. He has videos on youtube if I remember correctly.
Quote from: jeanna on November 16, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
I am also wondering about how to get this pwm/frequency thing going so, I will be watching this thread.
To make music you need an oscillator...
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt18.htm
Quote from: Captain Kirk on November 20, 2008, 05:56:25 AM
To make music you need an oscillator...
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt18.htm
Somehow, I can understand it in music, but it seems odd that an oscillating electronic circuit could sing itself into the water (or make the water sing) via the electrode through the plates. I am starting to think it is possible. It may take a little more time for my brain to wrap around this, though!
I guess this is the reason I thought it was cool that the bubbles seemed to be kicked by just pulsing at 2Hz.
And Heairbear's information:
QuoteHe found that water, when bubbled at a current of 600 cycles per second, had the highest efficiency of disruption to the gaseous state. This is intriguing because John Keely stated that water could be disrupted at 610, 620 and 12,000 cps....with the most effective frequency being 42.8 khz.
is especially interesting
I think those biological solfeggio frequencies are a good place to examine these things, too.
I have way too little knowledge of circuits to be helpful, but I do appreciate the help coming from others.
So, Thanks
jeanna
I just tripped across this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVE0PO0s2w&feature=related