It is rare that I create a new thread, and I know this story has already been told, but I thought it deserves more exposure. So instead of just being an item in a wide ranging thread it can stand alone as a topic for further investigation and concentration of effort. So put on your detective hats, lets see if we can crack this one.
TALE OF THE IMPLODING TELEVISION
Steven Mark disclosed a rather incredible tale to Lindsay Mannix, who then posted it on OU in early 2006. Either this actually happened or someone has a very active imagination. You decide, here's the tale in Steven Mark's words.
"Perhaps a story which had impact on me at that time was told to me by my boss way back in 1970 I believe it was.
He told me that around 1965 or 66 there was an explosion in an apartment in Chicago. the authorities had concluded that for some unknown reason, a General Electric color television receiver had been the source of an explosion that killed a young black child in the apartment. My boss went on to relate that he was involved in the investigation because he was in Chicago at the time and he was invaluably experienced with television circuits and etc.
He told us that what they found was, the TV had exploded with some quick fury. The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front but spared his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen.
The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals necessary to create the explosion. It appeared that the TV was the exact center of the explosion, however no one could find a reason for the explosion occurring. Also consider that there is not really much inside a TV to explode with enough force to kill people and destroy the living room a large apartment. Yes a CRT can explode and kill someone, however this was not the kind of explosion we are talking about. The most interesting part of the story is that according to our boss, metallic objects especially those containing large amounts of iron were dramatically displaced. He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and pulled toward the TV set. When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws! Everything in the room appeared to have moved or was moving toward the TV as it exploded, or imploded as the case may be. The child was apparently killed by way of these metallic objects traveling through his body on their way toward the center of the TV set.
As far as my boss knew, there was never a good explanation for the occurrence. We found out that this was not the only unexplained explosion of TV sets worldwide. However, the fact that all the sets exploded while in operation may bear some light. Also most of the TV sets were made by the GE company or were TV sets made using GE circuits and of similar design.
However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his own theory which he never told anyone as far as i know, except me. His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . . Now that is something I have thought about a great deal. I suggest you read about the tremendous magnetic energy discharged during an atomic explosion and the reasons for it. It may be of interest to you.
My employer's words had great impact on me. Not that they meant anything really, but I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one moment in time to produce an entirely different effect than intended by the designers. And so it goes. Some of the reasons why I thought about things the way I did and perhaps why I set out to think along the lines I did when I discovered the power generator technology. Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is actually what it does you know.
Sincerely, "
My comments on the email:
Very interesting, the preferred attraction of the TV set for objects containing some iron, the twisting of nails pulled from the walls and all objects being pulled to some extent towards the TV.
Also of note is the statement that other GE sets, or sets using GE circuits may have had similar problems. Not all the sets but perhaps a small fraction of a percent. Seems like a combination failure of several parts would be required to cause such an obscure effect. But what could the effect be?
I have seen photographs of TV's that imploded from failure of the glass envelope of the CRT (cathode ray tube). Usually the most severe are when the front face of the CRT caves in. This will cause sudden acceleration of glass shrapnel into the CRT which can rebound back into the room and is dangerous. Modern TV's use a safety glass construction technique which prevents this danger. I have imploded many CRT's, a pastime of youth spent at the dump of the little town I grew up in by throwing rocks at the face of discarded TV's, always, however, at a safe distance. It makes a bit of a "boom" but not much to get excited about. This was in the pre-safety glass era of the mid 50's.
I can state for certain from experience that the vacuum implosion would never suck any nearby objects into the tube!
Could a mini-blackhole or other magneto-aetheric vortex have formed for an instant, pulling everything towards it?
I would suspect that in order to create such a vortex several things might be required, these being electrostatic charge, rotating magnetic fields and a gaseous plasma to work on.
TV sets have pairs of opposed coils at 90 degrees for vertical and horizontal beam deflection. They also have a large CRT upon which a high voltage of 20 to 30 kV or higher electrostatic charge is maintained. The high voltage section on early tube TV's had a shielded high voltage rectifier tube because of the X-ray production. This was referred to as the "cage" and housed all the high voltage generating components. Warnings of "Danger High voltage" and " Caution X-rays-do not operate with cover open" usually were placed on the "cage".
Additionally we have an electron beam generating "gun" at the neck of the CRT. We might also find some weak permanent magnets for focusing and beam alignment.
Modern TV's use raster scan, whereby the beam traverses a fixed course sweeping left to right at the rate of 15,750 Hz and vertically at about 60 Hz. to paint the screen. The electron beam never wanders from a known sweep pattern unless there is a failure of deflection circuits.
Vector scan, as used in some early display systems allows complete user control of the beam position to paint the desired image on the screen and is usually but not limited to text or numeric characters.
Consider for a moment a scenario where a cascade of failures occurred in the TV causing the beam to trace out a circle, a spiral or series of expanding rings or a deflection failure that magnetically rotated a gaseous plasma.
I will list some possible failures that could severely affect the ability to scan normally:
1) A failure of the power supply filter capacitors (opening) causing 60 Hz to modulate normal sweep frequencies.
2) A short in the deflection yoke or HV flyback transformer.
3) Loss of sync circuitry and interference of vertical scan by horizontal scan frequencies or the reverse.
Other considerations:
1) Impurities in the CRT causing the vacuum to contain an gas which could be ionized by the electron beam acceleration and impact on the gas molecules.. This could, in combination with the HV electrostatic energy, create a momentary plasma that is acted upon by the magnetic deflection.
2) Partial loss of vacuum allowing air molecules to enter the CRT. Again possible plasma effects.
In summary, it is probably possible, with a few modifications, to turn an ordinary TV set into a mini particle accelerator or plasma rotator. Wether or not this is the answer remains to be discovered.
I'm sure the above speculations are merely scratching the surface of what really happened.
how about it synconyzed with the earth magneticlly
and began to draw magnet engery from the earth ....
this is the mistery of magnetic collection as is hammels ufo.... green plasma glow round it b4 it blasts off....
magnetic sonic boom ... :)
just a guess
ist
like i said a guess..... i really dont know ... looks like you do ;D 8)
sync'ed with earth - my ass. Tap the ley ines to tap earth and when you get vaporized - oh well...
(Let me know if I get off-track...here goes...might want to sit down for this)
This whole shebang is in-tune with Aspden and Smith - which is uncanny.
if this actually happened, it would have been a very sudden effect, like BAM! - zero to hero just like that.
only conductive objects were affected - so was not actual aether flow to center or collapse of aetheric vacuum - was electric field in action
would possibly take tremendous electrical field divergence to pull objects out of walls since are held by friction - much easier to snatch out than slow pull - so effect was probably very sudden - very implosive - but not a pressure - a force on conductors - corkscrew of iron is probably due to eddy currents in iron material since is magnetic - no mention of vortical action on other conductors
No mention of explosion after implosion so energy may have condensed to matter in TV - this may have escaped notice in the clutter of he TV remains - they would have found it in the lab though - probably scared the shit out of them. Nuclear effects without the radiation - black world in minutes after a phone call. Obscurity ensued and the goods were swept away to further study and replication. They had since 50's - they knew what happened to the TV - just not how at first. There are only a handful of people on this rock that even know this is possible - I cheat, so I am not included on that list - ;)
Th "field" would exert pull on conductors as long as the rotation ensued, but it didn't last long, did it?
This is the same principle that it used to great advantage to overcome gravity - a rotating diverging electric field - we are all sitting in one - we just don't know it. Of course the direction has to be a little different, but the propulsion is no different.
No wonder no one has ever found any good info on this.
The early color TV's had some circuitry that might do strange over-unitarian things upon failure. The RCA CTC-30 TV from around 1968 is described below. GE sets were probably similar. Most functions were performed using vacuum tubes, with a few solid state components in the audio section.
The drive for the picture tube used real electricity! Horizontal deflection driven by a big 6JE6 or similar power tube that handled about 80 watts. A circuit breaker was provided near it to keep things from smoking if that tube or nearby components failed. Some failures could result in the entire tube (plate and all) glowing bright orange and cracking the glass before the breaker tripped. The plate would have peak voltages of over 2000 volts on it, during retrace/flyback.
The flyback transformer had many separate windings and taps, providing many different voltages for other parts of the set, such as the cathode and grid drivers for the picture tube. It might have had a ferrite or iron-powder core. The high voltage was rectified using a diode tube such as a 3A3. It was then regulated by loading it down with a high-voltage triode such as a 6BK4. All of these could potentially emit X-rays or arc over.
The deflection yokes were complex, with multiple taps on the windings. Some of these were connected to a "convergence board" that contained nonlinear resistors or saturable inductors and adjustment pots. These were used to correct distortions in the picture. The yoke may have contained some ferrite cores to shape the magnetic field.
Any one of these tubes could arc over or get a glow discharge from loss of vacuum. One then would have a very complex nonlinear system including magnetic parts with a large amount of power being fed into it. This might do something unexpected.
The other possibility is that the TV program being watched just really sucked. ;) The David Hamel story might be an example of this case, where the Waltons show sucked so much that it pulled alien space critters right out through the screen.
The right combination of frequencies might have produced some form of the Hutchison Effect.
John H. had similar things happening. Objects moving and metal twisting.
Here is the article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,837185,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,837185,00.html)
And here is the circuit: http://www.mcmlv.org/Archive/Radio/CTC5A.pdf (http://www.mcmlv.org/Archive/Radio/CTC5A.pdf)
Look for the 3A3 tube as it is the X-ray radiating tube.
M.
So the tv has this voltage regulator tube (modern crts have passive regulation built into the flybacks) spewing xrays. Xray emradiation is at ionizing wavelengths.
In brief the interatomic dielectric field gets messed with and you end up with a neucleus all by itself and the rest of the mass stripped from the atom. Ultraviolet light same thing. So we got ionization and we got magnetic and electrostatic fields and all sorts of forces to initiate transmutation of elemental matter into plasmic matter. Plasma is damn near superconductive at room temperature and the set is throwing 30kv into the mix and dense magnetic fields.
Here is the tube.
It is sitting right next to the flyback.
You can see the wire from the flyback it is directly connected to the hat of the tube.
See how close it is to the other components, if this tube would generate X-ray's, it can certainly affect the other components on the chassis.
M.
What do X-Rays have to do with the television becoming the center of some sort of implosion effect?
Malfunction
Quote from: Gobaga on November 20, 2008, 01:39:54 PM
What do X-Rays have to do with the television becoming the center of some sort of implosion effect?
It's possible this is not the TV to which SM referred. Or it's possible the govt decided 'could cause X-Rays' sounded better than 'could suck you and your loved-ones through an infinitessimally small hole into a parallel antimatter universe'. ;)
Lots of good speculation coming forth.
Besides the 1B3 high voltage rectifier, the picture tube itself is a producer of X-rays in that it has the same voltage applied to it as the rectifier but the transit distance is much longer in the picture tube so the electrons reach a greater final velocity before they strike the screen releasing the x-rays.
Leaded glass is used in the picture tube to contain the scattered x-rays impacting the shadow mask and face of the tube. One of the reasons glass from picture tubes is an increasing hazard in landfills...the lead content.
HD
X-rays are radiation of a sort - they go out - not back in.
So, "what" pulled the conductive objects into the TV?
I say "something" that can affect condcutive and magnetic objects, be it aether or something else, was caused to suddenly diverge in toward the TV set. Perhaps a enormous change in the density of the aether inside the TV, by the rotating vortex or whatever was setup by the failing circuits. The objects went right through the victim, perhaps undeviated by his presence, so the force went through him as well and was possible not deviated, or at least not blocked by his body.
Gravity and radiant electricity are deemed to go through objects. Gravity affects all objects, RE affects conductors. Ever see Dollards video on tesla transmitters? He shows that a bulb lit by RE pulls a copper bar towards itself. If this is so, then how did that TV start creating RE? and how did it create enough in a concentrated space to pull every conductore towards itself?
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We need to find one of the 9,000 missing sets. Its funny that they didn't mention what was said to have happened to the child. Are there any other story's like that one of the child that was killed but happening to someone else?
I did find scamatics for sale on ebay as well as a repair manual.
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-LOT-TEKFAX-RCA-GE-TV-SCHEMATICS-1966-TO-1982_W0QQitemZ270303148654QQihZ017QQcategoryZ39996QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-Monochrome-Color-TV-Service-Manual-1967_W0QQitemZ190254830826QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3638QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
Hmmm-HEYDUDE told me about this thread and suggested I go here with rotating plasma demonstration from JK to avoid cluttering the MAC CD thread.
It's somewhat off topic by now, but here it is anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA)
I would be interested to hear alternative explanations of the effect.
Without derailing this thread, of course.
Thanks, HEYDUDE!
Quote from: Neolystic on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
It's possible this is not the TV to which SM referred. Or it's possible the govt decided 'could cause X-Rays' sounded better than 'could suck you and your loved-ones through an infinitessimally small hole into a parallel antimatter universe'. ;)
well well
hummmm kinda nice to know what we play with aint it ....
:o
ist
and back to the subject at hand...
What force would cause magnetic materials to twist as they came out of the wall and then propel them through a semi-solid body?
This was not magnetic. Not electrostatic. Much more potent.
Here's my take on it:
We know that the deflection yoke has two frequencies going into it to control the horizontal and vertical tracing pattern on the CRT screen. Lets say that something happens to one of the two circuits that controls the frequency of this tracing circuit such that the electron beam is caused to rotate in a circle. If the frequency is just right, and the phase shift is just right, it wouldn't take long to build up a 'supercurrent' of electrons rotating within the space of the yoke. This could for an instant build up a magnetic field many orders of magnitude greater than anything achievable with a coil since the electron beam constitutes a convection current, which, unlike conduction currents have just about no resistance in vacuum. So imagine what happens if this 'supercoil' of electrons creating this hyper-intense magnetic field were to collapse if something burned out? The collapsing field from a beast like that could easily have caused some of the effects mentioned.
Just my two cents ;)
God Bless,
Jason O
TinselKoala
Thanks for the very nice rotating plasma demonstration. It is definitely on this topic. We welcome further explorations into such related phenomena.
To all
Thanks for participating in this thread. So far there has been a lot of good information and ideas coming forth.
HD
Jason,
quite possibly....but as you see in the picture posted by Marco there are our three coils as mmentioned By Steven.
These coils were used to align the beams (convergence coils) so that they struck the correct phosphor dots on the tube face and were dyanamically adjustable and fed from pulses comming from both the vertical and horizontal scan circuits ..Marco has some excellent circuits that would be good to run a few heads over here to try and make a nasty fault from th driving tube circuit.
Perhaps the presence of the ht was vital for the effect to manifest its self ....the problem is that we are working on a bomb here .
If you dont get zapped by the ht perhaps the xrays will get you.
These aspects explain much of the reluctance to give instructions to all and sundry to blow themselves up.
Steven has pointed out the speed of tubes more than once perhaps its high voltage as well.
Over to you marco
Lindsay
Been googling about ... slow at work today!
www.fnal.gov/projects/muon_collider/eexchange/Meetings/Kickers/kicknote.pdf
this sort of thing is along the lines of this tv story
Would any body in the Chicago area care to do some real foot work for us here and research the story for us ?
It would have made to papers there i would think.
Takling with people over 65 would be a good start to nail the date
When color tv first came to australia in 1973 or so , there were stories about the colour tv 's killing people..I never followed any of them up and put them down to media hype. After all...I was a tv tech and i knew better didnt I????
I was 18 and knew absolutely everything about everything at that time. HA!
Lindsay
Quote from: Gobaga on November 20, 2008, 08:55:38 PM
and back to the subject at hand...
What force would cause magnetic materials to twist as they came out of the wall and then propel them through a semi-solid body?
This was not magnetic. Not electrostatic. Much more potent.
Not spinning currents. What would pull conductors towards itself? Come on. Visualize the "lines of force".
There is the "aether rotation" which rotates about a point and then there is the "aether vortex" which converges at a point.
There is your antigrav - FunkyJive - an aether vortex.
Hello all,
ever mixed a high frequency with a 50 or 60Hz AC signal?? in 1 wire??
Otto
awsome OTTO!!
ist
Hello all,
@Gobaga
so you tried it??
Otto
PS: is it impossible that when the TV imploded there was a mix of the 15..kHz and the 60Hz from the heating of the tubes???
Didnt SM mentioned this 12,6V?? AC!!
I see that the orientation of the flyback transformer is in different than all the modern CTR devices (televisions, computer monitors) that I have seen.
I think the same orientation may be found in the Hutchison phenomenon, or at very least the Herzian waves (ie. electromagnetic waves [ie. electric and magnetic fields at right angles]) inter react with each other at the proper phase to "co-"manipulate the matter they interact with to produce the movement of matter (both electron and proton) in a similar sense or direction.
I think that the magnetic field, when it is rotating, does have a time lag depending on the direction of rotation. Left handedness over right handedness. (And I still can not absolutely verify this. Just something I have experienced, whether it be a falsehood or not, I do not know.)
I also think that the time lag determines whether a right handed or a left handed rotation will be stable or not.
I read in the Scientific American magazine a couple of years ago that the perturbations in the orbits of the planets could be explained by introducing a vector or outside force (direction of travel perhaps ) to the equation. This could be a prevailing force in what Tesla would call the aether, or I would call a character of the prevailing magnetic flux from our immediately larger system, the Milky Way galaxy. Anyway you call it, it is a force that prefers one direction of rotation to another. Same thing exists in oriental philosophy and native American philosophy.
I don't know for sure.
To build up an artificial gravityfield, there must be a guide like nested, cylindrical EM field present, to collect and compress the ZPE field locally.
To build up such a field, HV chargepoints must be accelerated, to create an EM field structure.
With a TV , it can be possible, both by a internal resonance effects, or with the external influence of the rotating magnetic fields, that is rotating in a radial E-field near the screen.
Esa
Well unexplained things happen and will continue to happen
Matter meets antimatter? Just as strange as instantaneous combustion it exists but what is its Cause?
I once worked for Canadian Gen Electric in those Years never had or heard of an incident like this here in
Canada. X Rays nah..... There are many more devices that produce higher amounts of X Rays than a shielded TV.
professor
Quote from: Esa Maunu on November 21, 2008, 12:59:24 PM
To build up an artificial gravityfield, there must be a guide like nested, cylindrical EM field present, to collect and compress the ZPE field locally.
To build up such a field, HV chargepoints must be accelerated, to create an EM field structure.
With a TV , it can be possible, both by a internal resonance effects, or with the external influence of the rotating magnetic fields, that is rotating in a radial E-field near the screen.
Esa
Great post Esa.
I think the shape of the induced effec had a great deal to do with the results. like I said, there is a rotating field, and then there is a true vortex, and I think the xploding TV had the vortex, an aether vortex patterned into and odd combination of electric and magnetic properties, that resulted in this mishap.
i feel i have a constructive post...
as was explained above... could this be a result of a magnetic feed back loop with Gian caused from the location and orientation of the flyback coil that is unshielded and the tube that is also in close area of the flyback Fields...
could it be that the tube sucked up the magnetic energy and amped it
if a tube will transmitt it will also receive... maybe the tv operates at the right freqs.. and the gain caused this effect
no?
ist
This site has some interesting experiments along these lines.
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic001.htm
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic002.htm
Perhaps disconnect the yoke from the board of the TV or monitor and drive with the stereo amp / generator combo and experiment with various modulations. With 90 degree phase shift you will get a circle drawn on the face of the CRT. Other modulations will yield spirals etc.
Drawing showing two yokes and pictures are from the Falaco site. Two yokes are not necessary, just drive the horizontal and vertical windings from channels one and two respectively.
Note that the circle shown is the very different vector scan as opposed to producing the same image using raster scan in the normal sweep systems. This is the real path of the electron beam.
Extreme care should be exercised if performing this experiment....maybe from a distance.
If the leaking tube is creating xrays and is ionizing air molecules with water vapor in it we start to get all sorts of ionized gas building up inside the cabinet. The crt is up around 30kv and will have a tendency to accelerate free electrons as they are emitted from the air and or water vapor via action of the xray leakage outside of the tube. The tube gun is creating a spiraling magnetic current already. Now this spiraling magnetic current starts to initiate spin to the ion field accumulating around the outside of the tube.
Now this could have been going on for hours. This spinning ionized gas with an electron current that both confines the gas and adds to it's spin is storing one shitload of energy in the space surrounding the crt. At some point the spin field becomes so positively charged that it diverts the electron beam towards it's core. The glass melts and the implosion of the tube screws up the ion circulation and the magnetic field this thing has been building up for hours suddenly collapses as the spinning plasma falls apart on implosion of the tube. Maybe?
If the leaking tube is creating xrays and is ionizing air molecules with water vapor in it we start to get all sorts of ionized gas building up inside the cabinet. The crt is up around 30kv and will have a tendency to accelerate free electrons as they are emitted from the air and or water vapor via action of the xray leakage outside of the tube. The tube gun is creating a spiraling magnetic current already. Now this spiraling magnetic current starts to initiate spin to the ion field accumulating around the outside of the tube.
Now this could have been going on for hours. This spinning ionized gas with an electron current that both confines the gas and adds to it's spin is storing one shitload of energy in the space surrounding the crt. At some point the spin field becomes so positively charged that it diverts the electron beam towards it's core. The glass melts and the implosion of the tube screws up the ion circulation and the magnetic field this thing has been building up for hours suddenly collapses as the spinning plasma falls apart on implosion of the tube. Maybe? You be careful heydude. Definitely get yourself a compass to checkout how big a magfield is building up.
From Wikipedia the following was pasted (searchword: CRT) If interested, read the whole article.
Permanent magnets (the ion trap) deflect the lighter electrons so that they strike the screen. Some very old TV sets without an ion trap show browning of the center of the screen, known as ion burn. The aluminum coating used in later CRTs reduced the need for an ion trap.
The outer glass allows the light generated by the phosphor out of the monitor, but (for color tubes) it must block dangerous X-rays generated by high energy electrons impacting the inside of the CRT face. For this reason, the glass is leaded. Color tubes require significantly higher anode voltages than monochrome tubes (as high as 32,000 volts in large tubes), partly to compensate for the blockage of some electrons by the aperture mask or grille; the amount of X-rays produced increases with voltage. Because of leaded glass, other shielding, and protective circuits designed to prevent the anode voltage from rising too high in case of malfunction, the X-ray emission of modern CRTs is well within approved safety limits.
The high voltage (EHT) used for accelerating the electrons is provided by a transformer. For CRTs used in televisions, this is usually a flyback transformer that steps up the line (horizontal) deflection supply to as much as 32,000 volts for a color tube, although monochrome tubes and specialty CRTs may operate at much lower voltages. The output of the transformer is rectified and the pulsating output voltage is smoothed by a capacitor formed by the tube itself (the accelerating anode being one plate, the glass being the dielectric, and the grounded (earthed) Aquadag coating on the outside of the tube being the other plate). Before all-glass tubes, the structure between the screen and the electron gun was made from a heavy metal cone which served as the accelerating anode. Smoothing of the EHT was then done with a high voltage capacitor, external to the tube itself. In the earliest televisions, before the invention of the flyback transformer design, a linear high-voltage supply was used; because these supplies were capable of delivering much more current at their high voltage than flyback high voltage systems â€" in the case of an accident they proved extremely dangerous. The flyback circuit design addressed this: in the case of a fault, the flyback system delivers relatively little current, improving a person's chance of surviving a direct shock from the high voltage anode.
CRTs can emit a small amount of X-ray radiation as a result of the electron beam's bombardment of the shadow mask/aperture grille and phosphors. The amount of radiation escaping the front of the monitor is widely considered unharmful.
Early color television receivers (many of which are now highly collectible, see CT-100) were especially vulnerable due to primitive high-voltage regulation systems. X-ray production is generally negligible in black-and-white sets (due to low acceleration voltage and beam current), and in virtually every color display since the late 1960s, when systems were added to shut down the horizontal deflection system (and therefore high voltage supply) should regulation of the acceleration voltage fail.
CRTs may emit low levels of beta radiation which can be detectable by sensitive Geiger counter. It does not come from accelerated electrons in the tube but from radioactive isotopes. Source of this type of radioactivity is mainly Zirconium or other isotopes sometimes used in glass or mask production.
A high vacuum exists within all CRT monitors. If the outer glass envelope is damaged, a dangerous implosion may occur. Due to the power of the implosion, glass may explode outwards. This shrapnel can travel at dangerous and potentially fatal velocities. While modern CRT used in televisions and computer displays have epoxy-bonded face-plates or other measures to prevent shattering of the envelope, CRTs removed from equipment must be handled carefully to avoid personal injury.
Note: As stated in the very first post, I tend to believe all the action took place inside the picture tube, was caused by magnetic strirring of a plasma, ignited by the electron beam and the high voltages.
One picture tells more than thousand word..
With a nested, cylindrical EM fields, the idea is to collect and compress the charged particles from the environment. There must be a prime number of waves ( 3, 5, 7, 11..etc ), that are rotating in a circle, because this dos not allow the subharmonic frequensies to develop inside the innerst cylindrical "tube". Now, when phase changes in a EM cylindrical wall, the charged particle will move towards the next more positive wall, that occurs in a next inner wall, if the charged particle has a negative charge.
In a case of TV, there are 3 electron beams ( R,G,B ), that can travel in a circle form. If a TV picture contains at least three nested, white circles, the system can suck energy from the environment, if the screen radiation shield is not good. One way to test this is to cut a hole to CRT tube, that allows the nested cylindrical and conical shaped electron beam to enter free into environment.
Esa
Quote from: HEYDUDE on November 22, 2008, 01:33:00 AM
This site has some interesting experiments along these lines.
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic001.htm
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic002.htm
Perhaps disconnect the yoke from the board of the TV or monitor and drive with the stereo amp / generator combo and experiment with various modulations. With 90 degree phase shift you will get a circle drawn on the face of the CRT. Other modulations will yield spirals etc.
Drawing showing two yokes and pictures are from the Falaco site. Two yokes are not necessary, just drive the horizontal and vertical windings from channels one and two respectively.
Note that the circle shown is the very different vector scan as opposed to producing the same image using raster scan in the normal sweep systems. This is the real path of the electron beam.
Extreme care should be exercised if performing this experiment....maybe from a distance.
Magnetically confined spinning plasma field. That sounds like the surface of the sun. No wonder the corona is hotter it's feeding the surface zpe energy which is getting cooled by the magnetic field and the contraction of space at the core of the big plasma ball. Fusion my ass it's just condensation of space.
Really good posts..
I would hope that there are many who are brave and disciplined enough to work with a 28 kv electrostatic field surrounding their experiments.
It one place that very few have gone
I want to thank heydude, though nameless and cheeky, has given some new direction to the information provided by the current inventor. A few months ago he posted a picture of his bench setup.
He is one the better equipped here
Another gem, I believe is " current from different sources can travel in the same wire independant of each other like tesla said" makes me think of a transformer short in this threads context.
I never liked jigsaw puzzles but this one is different.....solved or not
Lindsay
Quote from: sparks on November 25, 2008, 08:16:32 PM
Plasma layering from an electrode 30kv above ground in picture below. At 30kv electrons are accelerated at speeds whereby their inertial gain is enough to strip them from the atomic field. What effects can we expect from this selfconfined plasma?. The inertial gain of the electrons comes at what expense of the input energy in this type of plasmic current? Or do we have a mass to energy event here?
Chapters X and XI of Smith's "The New Science" appear to offer some sort of possible explanation to the exploding TV:
http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm
In chapter X he talks about packing of energy and precipitating energy out of the cosmic background.
In chappter XI he states:
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"However, if another aggregate of similar precession enters the vicinity, such cancellation can no longer be approximated, and the skew field induces an electric field within this aggregate which amounts to an electric field distortion or "polarization". A convenient way of discussing what happens is to consider the skew fields and the polarization in terms of electric "charges" even though this concept is not strictly correct.
If the primary aggregate is considered to have a charge which induces the polarization in the secondary aggregate, this polarization will be equivalent to a charge displacement such that the product of the displaced charges and the distance through which they are displaced will be a statement of the amount of polarization. This will be located in the electric field of the primary aggregate and will have two forces acting which will be numerically equal; one maintaining the polarization and the other between the polarization and the primary field. Therefore, the net force will be the product of the primary field divergence and the square of the polarization in the secondary aggregate. There are of course other ways of establishing this relationship but they all say the same thing in other words, which is that Gravity is a dynamic field function and is the product of the gravitational field divergence and the square of the polarization induced in the attracted bit of matter, with the gravitational field being merely the skew electric field. "
I don't understand it yet, but this somehow explains how that TV could pull nails out walls and attract other conductive objects.
Anyone out there, with a higher level of understanding than myself, that can explain this via reply post of PM?
"Either this actually happened or someone has a very active imagination."
This reminds me of all the tales I used to read in UFO magazines in the 1970's, and is equally implausible.
Of course, Steven Mark provides no names or details to back up his tall tale.
One angle that did catch my attention - how many people living in apartments in Chicago in 1965 could afford color TV's?
Blindness cannot be experienced by a blind person.
--giantkiller.
If 1965 was the watershed moment for color broadcasting, there was still the small problem of the viewing public not having color television sets. According to NBC, there were only 2,860,000 color households in the United States as of January 1st, 1965 (though that was up from 1,620,000 on January 1st, 1964) [25]. By July 1st, the number stood at 3,600,000 and on October 1st it was at 4,450,000 color sets [26], [27]. NBC's figure for January 1st, 1966 stood at 5,220,000, an 85% gain over the January 1st, 1965 number but still only 9.7% of all television households [28].
I have seen some very strange faults on tv's during the 15 years i was a bench engineer, one of the best was a matsui tv in the early 90's, we were getting these come in with the tube neck broken clean off and sitting in the bottom of the cabinet still atached to the yoke coils, when a new tube was fitted and a whole series of check carried out the tv's would function properly again, normaly a psu regulation kit was fitted and also a frame output chip which always failed during internal flash over of the tube cathodes.
One day i had one of these on the bench and i was looking for an intermittent frame fault and suspected dry joints but first i wanted to check the frame chip wasn't temperature sensitive so i frooze it with freezer spray, all seemed to go well, shortly after that with my hands inside the tv chassis a spark shot right around the aquadaq wound itself around the tube neck and entered the yoke coils, the spark was blueish white i nearly had a heart attack, the next thing i know is that the tube neck was sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The spark always sticks in my mind it was provavly the largest spark i have ever seen maybe 2 feet long in all and it certainly didn't come from the loptx, within a few months the tv was withdrawn from sale by the manufacturer and never seen again.
that spark sounds like a electrostatic action ;)
i have had a few in playing with a few of my early rings.... the reason i had thease sparks .... in my rings mind you they were only a few inches...
in my early rings i used used wire recovered from old transformers... and in some cases i soldered a wire to it to make it longer this solder joint was the culprit of where this spark came from and it arced to my finger ... it is electrostatics in this case i mention ... i know how a static zap feels it is much diffrent than a hemf zap ;D agin hemf is much diffrent a zap than the wall aswell ;)
but every zap you get brings you closer to finding the source.... ;D
ist
play safe and for safety ..... use common sence... and stick to low voltage.... till you feel safe.... from there you can then step it up a notch :)
Guys,
I don't know much about the internal workings of a TV but last night I had a dream which may or may not be of significance here.
In the dream, I had posted an experiment someone else had done and was reevaluating the results. I was being told that there was some significance related to the capacitance in the clamping circuit.
From Wikipedia:Quote
Alternatively a clamping circuit may also be defined as a circuit which inserts a DC component into a signal. Perhaps the most common such clamping circuit is the DC restorer circuit in analog television receiver, which uses reference levels in the sync pulse in the horizontal blank (inserted during video modulation).
The network must have a capacitor, a diode and a resistive element, but it can also employ an independent DC supply to introduce an additional shift. The magnitude of R and C must be chosen so that t = RC is large enough to ensure that the voltage across the capacitor does not discharge significantly during the diode's "Unconducting" interval.
Very significant post, Duff. Your dream has a great deal of meaning, at least to me. A while back I was experimenting with DC restorer circuits to auto-bias the pulses above zero so that they do not reverse.
The non-reversal of the signal (below zero) has been alluded to as a key necessity by Spherics. This prompted me to use the pulse itself to provide the bias with the DC restorer circuit rather than externally.
I believe a few others may also have tried this.
Keep dreaming, you are tuning in to something.
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These effects in this pic were caused by a 556 chip failure.
When the pulse was on things were under control. When off the ground had noise. But that doesn't explain the 3.5x voltage height. False or uncontrolled fet triggering? I am still impressed with what I see there.
Imagine a 17kv transformer in this mix.
--giantkiller.
Argh Ground noise is a wonderfull thing, i have spent months trying to get rid of it during TPU experiments with high Dv/dt switching, and i guess i finaly managed go get rid of it by using multi layer pcbs, after all who wants 300v of PK pulses across 1mm stretches of pcb track.
Modern EMC law is a great thing, use multiple layer pcbs and you spread the energy across gnd planes which have multiple capacitances to dissipate the RE Energy and loose the horrible ground noise or we can use ferrite to obsorb this energy to make sure we dont find it's true nature.
Hang on did i mention that ground noise is RE offcourse it is, Tesla was able to light light bulbs across a U shaped copper bar, thank god EMC kills this energy, we wouldnt want to discover free energy would we.
The great news is that we can pipe this RE oops ground noise to an iron wire delay line that is capacitively coupled to ground along it's length to sharpen the speed and amplitude of this pulse and if this delay line is not terminated relfect it back to where it was generated, but now we have our original hi Dv/dt pulse with a much sharper high eneergy reflection on top of it if delayed by the correct timming which is about 10% of the oringinal pulse time, trouble is the dam delay line keeps glowing blue sparks and melts.
It was some kind of intermittent failure of the chip. So I repaired it and of course threw away the bad part! That is probably equivalent to burning down Alexander's Library.
I cleaned house and threw the baby out with the bath water. Real ARGH!
Prior to this I was gonna pump in 2kv. That is what made think of this thread
I got really dismayed and was ready to throw in the towel for good. But being a recovering 'Type A' personality i shut everything down and went to bed. As I stepped into the shower the next morning, Eureka! Harmonics causing heterodyning. Right in front of my face. Now in front of yours.
Glad somebody responded.
--giantkiller. Noise is our friend. 8)
Hi all,
I've been reading the threads for a while - (not yet all posts- they're quite a few) and I have not see anything yet regarding safety control.
If the TV story started everything we're looking here at very dangerous stuff - at least until the technology is well established.
It looks to me that the TPU , once started, would go into a kind of positive loop and - if not stopped somehow with some negative loop control - would continue until self distruction.
So my questions would be:
1) How to create the positive loop - for instance, if the first pulse would make particles in the collector ring move in one direction, how would you sense that movement and use the sensor output to shoot again in the same direction.
2) As stated several times by SM, the "resonance" should not be allowed to be perfect. In a positive loop, the device would tend to go by itself to resonance so how would you sense that and how to use that sensor to control the "near resonance" state and eventually shut down the whole thing before harm is done.
Everybody posts about how make the TPU start generating power - how about controlling the events once they're started?
Any ideas?
Hello All,
I believe I have hit on an important discovery. Everyone wonders, if they are to start using tubes, what circuit? What tubes? Etc. I think I have found a SIGNIFICANT clue! I have spent all afternoon writing it up and have placed it into .pdf form for all.
I owe Marco a thank you, for I have built on some of his research, as quoted in the .pdf.
Enjoy!
Bruce
Hello all,
thanks Bruce for the schematic. This schematic is very important!!!
I used a EZ 81 rectifier tube but its a wrong tube!! Im waiting for my 5U4 tube that I have ordered.
Now, electronics experts, show me what is sooooo special with the 5U4 tube. Im not so clever.
Otto
Quote from: otto on March 09, 2009, 02:20:01 AM
Now, electronics experts, show me what is sooooo special with the 5U4 tube. Im not so clever.
Otto
Not much is special about the 5U4. Is does use a filament for the cathode. This should allow superposition of the heater current upon the plate current.
Now the 5U4GB.... There are more special things. Add higher sustained current and voltage output.
500v-0-500v? = center tapped transformer secondary
300mV ? = typo - should be 300mA but same typo twice then he switches to 250mA?
Both are on the edge of the tube operating curve - intentionally overdriving the tube?
Feeding the 5U4GB with already rectified AC? Who knows? Silicon rectifiers can do some strange things.
Nice work Bruce. Keep in mind the power supply is just a power supply. The parts that make color possible are on the rest of the schematic.
Superposition of waves is not difficult. See attached pic.
What I wonder is what happens if the heater secondary is not quite in sync with the plate secondary AND superposition happens?
My other question remains: Why would someone so familiar with these circuits mention feeding a rectifier with a rectifier?
Quote from: otto on March 09, 2009, 02:20:01 AM
Hello all,
thanks Bruce for the schematic. This schematic is very important!!!
I used a EZ 81 rectifier tube but its a wrong tube!! Im waiting for my 5U4 tube that I have ordered.
Now, electronics experts, show me what is sooooo special with the 5U4 tube. Im not so clever.
Otto
Hi Otto,
BEP is correct, about using the 5U4 GB and I would suggest the GE brand. There is nothing special about the HV supply but rather, the "interactions" of different currents SM saw at the transformer.
I believe the part of the Schematic that deals with placing the different colors on the screen, (the part of the WHOLE schematic labeled "killer"), hit for a moment the "special" frequencies and this interacted with the HV power supply (the part of the schematic I clipped into the .pdf). So, SM talks about how he began to study the interaction of DIFFERENT frequencies AND AC an DC current in the same wire, studying their reaction in the transformers.
Again, just a tube HV power supply, but the interactions of different frequencies at the transformer is what should be looked for, IMHO.
Cheers,
Bruce
Thank you Bruce_TPU and thanks -marco-
I can't avoid seeing the a common theme. High voltage coils mixed with high current coils wound on a common core.
Not sure how one would go about to combine the 2 on a single conductor though.
The following image may appear to some as plagiarizing (they'd be right) but here it goes.
Thanks again guys.
Take care.
nap
Hello all,
you really think its only a oridinary power supply.
Its OK but then you can answer me my question:
Why is my my output electrolytic capacitor slowly charging?? The voltage rises from 0V to 4V.
The power supply is disconnected from the wall, the oscillators are disconnected from the wall.
Is it the tube or my copper core??
Otto
PS: yes, this is normal.
Quote from: otto on March 10, 2009, 06:05:48 AM
Hello all,
you really think its only a oridinary power supply.
Its OK but then you can answer me my question:
Why is my my output electrolytic capacitor slowly charging?? The voltage rises from 0V to 4V.
The power supply is disconnected from the wall, the oscillators are disconnected from the wall.
Is it the tube or my copper core??
Otto
PS: yes, this is normal.
@ Otto
Please can show us your current circuit ..... and some test setup picture
Hello all,
@wings
as Im this week on vacation Im working all the days on my TPU power supply. In this moment I dont have anymore my "old" power supply but I can say that I followed exact SM words where he describes how to build a tube power supply. I wish I could use a 5U4 tube but I have to wait.....
The point is in mixing a 5VDC from the heater and the plate voltage. Im building this with a EZ 81 rectifier tube. I hope it will work. Hmmm....not so sure.
Otto
hi
Tubes gives good current hmmmm........ 8)
Quote from: otto on March 10, 2009, 06:05:48 AM
Hello all,
you really think its only a oridinary power supply.
Its OK but then you can answer me my question:
Why is my my output electrolytic capacitor slowly charging?? The voltage rises from 0V to 4V.
The power supply is disconnected from the wall, the oscillators are disconnected from the wall.
Is it the tube or my copper core??
Otto
PS: yes, this is normal.
my be the radioactive effect of the filament - thoriated tungsten ?
nice information on RCA tube here:
http://www.tech-systems-labs.com/books/rca26.pdf
more :
http://www.tech-systems-labs.com/books.htm
@otto
Have you seen this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6970.msg162847#msg162847
Quote from: otto on March 09, 2009, 02:20:01 AM
Hello all,
thanks Bruce for the schematic. This schematic is very important!!!
I used a EZ 81 rectifier tube but its a wrong tube!! Im waiting for my 5U4 tube that I have ordered.
Now, electronics experts, show me what is sooooo special with the 5U4 tube. Im not so clever.
Otto
EZ81 - the two anodes around the central cathode
http://r-type.org/exhib/aam0049.htm
5UGB - two ribbon filaments coated with oxide in series two plates
http://r-type.org/exhib/aaq0051.htm
http://r-type.org/exhib/aaa0504.htm
http://r-type.org/pdfs/5u4gb.pdf