I think we are wasting our time !!
I look foward to your circuit which exctacts useable power from those lines.
This seems to be an invasion of privacy .. unless you have a scheme to do this even a theoretical one
Nothing which can not be Googled, Lindsay.
That's why I'm not posting the address.
What you see is Bird's eye view photo data from www.msn.com
I doubt SM still lives there, but that's where the videos were made, that I'm sure of.
Powerlines as the source? I'm starting to think so. But I'm not 100 % sure yet. It could be how he started this adventure. After all, in his first video he says that the energy comes from earth magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency (can we say 60 Hz?) After all this is way stronger on the VLF charts then the weak Schuman frequency.
take from this what you will, I'm just a bit more skeptical now, but haven't thrown out the baby with the bath water yet.
EM
P.S Oh my God, there is no more Privacy on the internet !!!!! This photo is from Google
Well there you go again EMdevices, jumping into odd half-baked ideas again. ::)
And btw, what does this have to do with HD's imploding TV set? Kindly re-post this in the Lindsay's SM "Fraud" thread, and let's try to respect the flow that has been established here, since it is rare that it even happens. There is enough thread hijacking going on as it is.
Poynt99
My apologies Poynt99, got too excited there. I will delete it after a while, after it gets some exposure.
EM
EM
Perhaps you could start a new thread: Proof that substantial energy can be captured from power lines without a direct connection.
I'm the biggest skeptic around, but it would be difficult to convince me that SM was capturing electrostatic or electromagnetic energy from the power lines in sufficient amounts to illuminate ten 100 Watt lamps.
Any Ham radio operator or RF engineer will tell you it is not easy or not possible at those power levels.....without frying everyone in the room.
A few hundred milliwatts or maybe if you are close enough and the voltage and frequency are high enough at most a few watts.
Most of the self powered radios that try to pull energy from Multi-Kilowatt AM transmitters can only manage milliwatts of power conversion.
A long time working with power electronics tells me it can't be done that way. Prove me wrong. I'll be happy to debate this issue in another thread or by PM if you feel divulging patents which are already in the public domain rubs you the wrong way.
By the way, you should continue your due diligence and find out the type of power lines (Frequency, voltage, etc) are running alongside SM's home before making claims. Also they look to be a couple of hundred feet away...at least.
Then we can be scientific and model the field intensity and make a few intelligent calculations
Respectfully...HD
well, looks like this forum won't let me edit my own posts after a few minutes.
Quote from: Mannix on November 22, 2008, 09:47:23 PM
I look foward to your circuit which exctacts useable power from those lines.
This seems to be an invasion of privacy .. unless you have a scheme to do this even a theoretical one
::)
Quote from: HEYDUDE on November 22, 2008, 11:11:16 PM
Any Ham radio operator or RF engineer will tell you it is not easy or not possible at those power levels.....without frying everyone in the room.
Respectfully...HD
No Sir,
I have done verry much experimenting in this area and i have transferred greats amounts of power without even noticing the field.
The only things that i noticed was the huge ion winds blowing off sharp pieces of wire.
Marco.
Quote from: EMdevices on November 22, 2008, 09:59:56 PM
After all, in his first video he says that the energy comes from earth magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency (can we say 60 Hz?)
Well he says "Natural electromagnetic field" and the 60Hz is not natural.
But i wanna thank you for bringing these pictures up so now, after 4 years i can put it to rest.
THANKS EM DEVICES.
Marco.
Quote from: HEYDUDE on November 22, 2008, 11:11:16 PM
EM
Perhaps you could start a new thread: Proof that substantial energy can be captured from power lines without a direct connection.
I'm the biggest skeptic around, but it would be difficult to convince me that SM was capturing electrostatic or electromagnetic energy from the power lines in sufficient amounts to illuminate ten 100 Watt lamps.
Any Ham radio operator or RF engineer will tell you it is not easy or not possible at those power levels.....without frying everyone in the room.
A few hundred milliwatts or maybe if you are close enough and the voltage and frequency are high enough at most a few watts.
Most of the self powered radios that try to pull energy from Multi-Kilowatt AM transmitters can only manage milliwatts of power conversion.
A long time working with power electronics tells me it can't be done that way. Prove me wrong. I'll be happy to debate this issue in another thread or by PM if you feel divulging patents which are already in the public domain rubs you the wrong way.
By the way, you should continue your due diligence and find out the type of power lines (Frequency, voltage, etc) are running alongside SM's home before making claims. Also they look to be a couple of hundred feet away...at least.
Then we can be scientific and model the field intensity and make a few intelligent calculations
Respectfully...HD
I totally agree with you, but maybe someone can prove us wrong.
In theory, in Stevens devices there is no way to generate voltage in a common way, there is something special.
A.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/wireless_transformer/
"Inventor Hector D. Perez Torres of Advanced Research Knowledge asserts that "power company lines act as a sink for natural-occurring RF radiant energy waves in low to very low frequencies (LF/VLF) from 10 kHz to 535 kHz." He said the Power distribution entities know of some interactions between naturally occurring VLF frequencies emitted from the earth, and that "they invert lines at intervals and place filters and suppressors in line" to counteract these effects. "Utility companies expend millions in filtering geodesic 'noise' that affects their systems, like in solar storms."
If it is actually a case of tapping into the electricity in the transmission lines, and not aetheric energy being amplified by the lines, what West is most concerned about is that people will make these devices with the specific intent of stealing power from the grid, similar to unscrupulous pirating devices in the wireless world of entertainment. "
Lets Clarify
Yes you can transmit power through space, this is done in the final impedance matching coupler of radio transmitters feeding power to the antenna. At very close range many thousands of kilowatts of RF (high frequency) energy are coupled. This is electromagnetic coupling. We are talking just a few inches here.
You can also transmit power electrostatically between a pair of oscillating capacitor plates by inserting either a tuned circuit between the plates or another set of capacitor plates that are part of a tuned circuit to draw off the supplied energy.
I have done these experiments, they all follow the inverse square law for radiated power, just like light.
Marco shows a tuned circuit. Can we respectfully ask Marco for the details of his tests and nearfield data, and what he means by "great amounts of power" ?
At 60 Hz the antenna required becomes huge. There are not enough turns of wire on any of SM's devices to provide the necessary 60 Hz resonant circuit loading coil that would be a fraction of a wavelength 1/4, 1/8 etc to efficiently absorb the radiated power. Perhaps with extremely fine wire guage you could get close, but then you wouldn't be able to transfer power to your load, the copper resistance would be way too high.
The ARRL publishes a good book on antenna theory and radiated power: The Antenna Handbook
We have some tests for next spring near our local high voltage overhead lines. They seem to be charging up the wooden bleachers as they run over the ball field and people report shocks from them....mild electrostatic shocks...no real power here. I'll report on that in the future.
Regarding the MIT wireless power stuff.....I'm still waiting for their carbon nanotube battery which will revolutionize the electric car industry....several years now.
I might add that the standards for RF radiation (safe levels) were relaxed by a large margin with the onset of cellphones. The same will happen for nearfield wireless power if they can make a lot of money with it. Your tumor surgeon will likely profit too.
Note to Stefan: Could you start a new thread and move all this power transfer stuff to it? Then we can call on the people who work with RF, power lines etc. to come forth and debate this subject with some real numbers and put it to rest. Thanks
Well you got a point there, my system was running at 35000 Hertz..
The maximum power i send to the reciever was about 4 to 5 Amps but i do not think it will work at 60 Hertz as you suggest.
It was all RF HF transmission and it was powerd from a car battery, so it's not comparable to the power lines nevertheless it worked with small distances.
I do remember the wires had corona effects around them even while the recieving loop was closed, something i had never seen before.
Marco.
EDIT: here is the basic circuit, and the transformers at most powerstations are also autotransformers, so the lines would represent the antenna, and then the idea from EM devices starts to make real good sence.
Just for the record, I'm not calling SM a deceiver, he has a genuine device that perhaps he did not understand where the power cames from, but if he is smart, and I suspect he is (or was) he would have quickly eliminated the PROXIMITY effect to the power lines. Perhaps his demonstration outside was such an attempt. The frequency of operation may not be necessarily 60 Hz, as wings has said, other VLF frequencies couple to the long power lines and are "guided" by the power lines.
However, that unmistakable buzzing sound, when he activates the smallest TPU on the glass table, sounds so much like my toaster from the magnetistriction effect. If you guys haven't figured it out by now I'm sorry.
Only one person has thanked me publicly for making the efforts I did to bring this public and end this crazy nonsense. Thanks Marco.
Here's how close his "mansion" demo-house is to the power lines !!
EM
P.S. Check out this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DumgUdJhzpo
and this web link: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/wireless_transformer/
One other comment, I just remembered what Jack Durban said in his interviews, that SM had him work on power transmission. Why would that be? I believe now that SM realized what was happening and wanted to develop or modify the technology to make it practical and/or ethical.
As the device mixes / heterodynes with the bigger matching wave it becomes larger and the tuned device receives it. And the wires are how close?
The gate in front of the house is gone. How was this address arrived at?
In the videos where the TPUs are cut up there are 2 young men aiding that look to be 20-25. That would make them 30-35 now. One with black hair and one with brown hair.
After these 2 guys saw this do you honestly think they are retail clerks or car mechanics? There are a few here that fit the age group and are incredibly intelligent. And how did these 2 become involved? The black haired aid has curly hair too. There is also a Fisher-Price train toy in the Foray by the front door. It is on a ring and when this toy is running, it toots, in a circle...
Also: people have been holding fluorescent bulbs up in the air and having them light up since the seventies.
In the sixties the ufo sightings were mostly by power lines.
--giantkiller. These is always more to this puzzle.
Sorted-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyh7ugGjFc&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyh7ugGjFc&NR=1)
End of story.
Since this thread is already off track, it's time to end the nonsense and blow a big hole in EM's theory.
It should be obvious that SM did not live in that house from the beginning days of his research and development of his device. He only ended up in that house because UEC put him there, or because he could then afford it at the time.
Obviously he had the technology working BEFORE moving to that fancy house, otherwise he would not have convinced anyone to invest in the technology and afford him the handsome retainer he enjoyed.
So, that blows the "power-line, energy-sucking idea" to smithereens. ;)
.99
Does not ;)
The only thing that can blow this idea are bench tests (near powerlines ;D ) and you know it.
M.
All the videos were done at the mansion, under the power lines. The only exception is perhaps the demonstration performed for Dr Schwinsinger, or whatever his name was. He said that SM came to his office at UCIrvine. Should I look for photos of UCIrvine and see if there are any nearby power lines?
The technology which SM developed still has some merit, since it is not that easy to tap into the power lines, but there are no doubts what is happening is due to the proximity to those lines.
Marco, that was a very interesting video. So much E and H fields there. No wonder SM got cancer being so close to those lines. I guess one can make the argument that stealing electricity from the nearby high tension lines compensates for his/hers medical bills later on in life !
Marco, don't get any funny ideas now. LOL :) , seriously, if any of you are inclined to experiment under power lines take precautions ask others first, for their opinions, etc..
EM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, of course the videos were done at the mansion.
That should be obvious, and it should also be obvious WHY.
The point was and still is that it does not matter where the videos were done, or that there are power lines near the house.
SM had the technology working before he ever met one investor and before he had one extra dime in his pocket because of the technology.
That alone should make one stop, think, and reject this theory.
.99
PS. Apologies to HD.
Tell you what...
I live near lines too.(3 of them)
Whenever i turn on my frequencie counter without any leads attached, it picks up 50 Hz.(battery fed)
Whenever i try to do ELF experimenting this 50Hz signal is dominant and i always wanted to get rid of it because i cannot see other things that are around because of this.
I can hear this signal on every radio in my home, the buzzing sound.
I can pick it up on any piece of metal it is the strongest signal present.
I need to get the heck out of here.
Marco.
@poynt99, whether SM had, or had not the technology before, does not matter, what matters is the fact the demos were done under a high tension power line.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on November 23, 2008, 12:44:38 PM
@poynt99, whether SM had, or had not the technology before, does not matter, what matters is the fact the demos were done under a high tension power line.
EM
Whatever guys. Believe it, convince yourselves of it, and debate it 'till the cows come home if you wish, it does not matter to me. I see HD has left in disgust and I can't blame him.
Think I'll do the same.
Have fun.
.99
And this doesn't matter ;)
A.
There is an access road right by the mansion, as you can see in the photos. I think I'll go by and take some electric field measurements for new years, then once we have the specs, let's have a contest to see who can duplicate energy extraction in those conditions.
EM
P.S. Looks like he's almost at eye level with the power lines in the back of his house.
@EM
A valid theory.
@Marco
Agreed - bench tests prevail. I moved from my last place 20 years ago because of the fear that HV power lines MAY have an effect on my young children (one of several reasons).
My current location only has street circuits running 7200v. I could not make a fluorescent light work from them - forget an incandescent. Maybe not enough circuit load?
About ten years ago I thought these devices may work by leaching power from lines so I loaded my test into the truck and parked under the nearest lines. About 6 miles from here - at night. I had good light because I just stuck 4 8 foot tubes in the ground. I knew that would work well - it did.
When it came to trying an incandescent - no joy. I spent several summer nights trying to find a way to make useable current. I even tried my weird coil design that forced resonance at ELF.
Even if the power came from the lines I would like to have that knowledge because there is said to be a great deal more energy (volts per meter) between 90 and 175 km up.
I've spent most of my working life working with and around the full range of transmission, switching, and generating devices, of all types of power from LV DC and AC to AC @ 150kV. I have seen nothing that can light an incandescent light unless it is very close to a high power source.
A long time ago I ruled out conventional inductive and static coupling.
@HEYDUDE
Do you see any way it could happen or reason to consider....
The beam/beams deflected far enough to pass through the yoke or divergence coils? In the really old color sets I thought it possible since they used an external metal shroud as part of the acceleration method.
The other thought is we all know what Lorentz does for charge when moving thorugh a magnetic field. The older sets had an odd looking delay coil wound on a grounded copper core. Do you have any experience with that core loosing the ground connection?
BEP
I thought I saw a demo in what appeared to be a motel conference room. This is the one where he had some sales person say the thing was running on one cylinder. Well back to the imploding TV and a little of Roberto's work that I find interesting: Roberto was very interested in the very low frequency drift of the bias voltage between the two collector windings. (I think that is what he had on his dually scope) It looked to me like a time variant response to the kicks saturating the common torroidal core. One was floating up and down his oscope.
Now if this floating bias starts to float real fast around 5000 hz or so we see that the response of two conductors to a common magnetic field density change is a scource of voltage. If the kick is produced so that it results in being totally choked by the time it gets to the end of the torroidal solenoid winding we get saturation changes inside the torroid without current flowing, just a pressure wave. This makes the output ripple dependent on the diameter of the choke, (another bit of history discussed on this board.) Now inside this choke is two copper windings and their response to the core sat is different or relative. This would be the same deal SM alluded to when he mentioned transformers pulsed with a common signal that are slightly out of tune produce a voltage between the parallel circuits. Someone tuned me in to the Daniel Cook patent of 1871 where the reflex of two transformers rings enough to act as a DC battery as well as dually electromagnetic solenoids. We just need to change the magnetic field around a conductor once to get voltage at the ends of the wire.. When mother nature changes the field back to the way she wants it we get the other 1/2 of the induction story. This collapsing magnetic field does not come at the input energies expense. Two kicks for the price of one. Do this right it's thousands of kicks for the price of one as mother nature pushes the swing just at the right time for us and we draw off the air the kid is displacing on the swing. Woosh Woosh Woosh Woosh. Remember that noise. I didn't even understand that I was heating up the chain and wearing away the shackles or bending the frame or the shock waves down in the footings of the support structure. Just going out to play on the swing set and get some resonance going. Tesla's pancake coil bifilar deals are self-resonating lc tanks at some very high frequency between being a capacitor and an inductor. So damn fast it appears static in our time incrementation but not on the energy space time quiver frame of reference.
Sorry Heydude this is moving this thread back a little. Hopefully the child killed didn't live in an apartment under some power lines this would really pull the plug on this thread.
BEP,
I have seen the same things you talk about, fluorecent tube lighting up fine and filament bulbs didnt give a glimp.
Thing started to change when i started to use high frequency and extreme turn ratios.
I have used 1:100.000 transformers at 10Kv maybe more and these were running at 35Khz, and it did light up a 60 Watt filament bulb to full brightness.
It was strange because on the one end it didn't do antything to the bulb while at the what i call "extreme stepped down" side it lit to full brightness using no rectifying circuit or anything else..
But it did not light up imediatly, it needed some time to heat up, and before it heated up the bulb was streaming blue corona everywhere like a plasma globe, sort of.
So it turned from blue light at first to a brilliant white light.
I got zapped many times by the wires ,but i could hold the low voltage wires between my fingers to see corona between the wires and my fingers without giving me a shock while the bulb was lit, and this looked strange to me.
This was all intresting experiments and these were the ones that stayed with me because strange things happend, that is strange things i could not explain.
It seems i will have to look into my drawings from that time and do some more tests.
Marco.
@marco
I didn't see the corona unless the lights were out. The majority of it was the coils. The lowest I could make a coil resonate was mid 35k. The corona was greatest then and in the dark the coil looked like a very weak fluorescent tube. You had to let your eyes adjust first.
It all took a lot of power and I had no measurable rotation so I strayed from that course. I never lit any bulbs with it except NE1's and 2's and gas tubes.
I don't bother with line frequency or multiples. I ruled that out a long time ago.
I'm running a test now to search for frequencies that resonate with the aether and/or Earth's mag field. The test is done inside a 7 ft x 3 ft x 3 ft faraday cage. The assumption is that the frequency of the aether itself would be well above the blocking limits of the faraday cage, so the aether would go right through it, into the testing area. Then, IF transients are the result of interaction with the aether or Earth's magnetic field, the size of the spikes at certain frequencies should be larger than the ones around it, as certain frequencies come into resonance with either of these possible sources. I'm using a 4G sample/sec DSO with a separate square wave generator, both of which are controlled via computer from a program I wrote. The program sets a certain number of pulses per second, gives the DSO 2 seconds to settle in and calculate the readings, then stores those readings on the computer and moves up to the next frequency. The wire between the square wave gen and the DSO is 6 ft long, pointed straight to magentic north/south and is suspended in the middle of the faraday cage. Once I have tangible results, either way, I intend to start a new thread with the results. Any suggestions as to testing methodology would be greatly appreciated.
PS The test bed is aprox 100 feet away from a power line, but not one of the very-high voltage long-haul lines. The pictures look to me like they're of the latter sort. Plus obviously the power line field should not be inside the faraday cage, so it may help determine where SM's power could be coming from ( or not coming from).
Neo
Now Mr.Mannix isn't verry cooperative lately.
He makes me remove my posts and talkes to others about privacy.
I am glad EM devices posted these pictures and i do not believe it is a coincendence these powerlines lines are there.
Which brings me back to Mr.Mannix.
It seems as if he doesnt want certain things to come out.
I have found one quote from Steven that proves he knew these lines were there.
As a matter of fact he even knew these lines had a diffrent frequency.............
Here it is:
Quote
Speed of the electrons across the surface of the wire is part of the key in my conversion process.
In this country the electric companies are now converting to long range transmission using high frequency alternating current instead of the ancient 60 cycle system used throughout most of the world for the last 100 years.
I do not know if this will be helpful to you or not.
What are the chances a normal person knows the frequency of the powerlines nearby?
Or better said what are the chances a normal person knows the powerlines above their home have a diffrent frequency then the ancient 60Hz?
Why do you think Steven mentiones this?
@Mannix,
Why did you leave it out of the orgional mail??
You knew didn't you??
Are you trying to play us ?
If you still think this isn't about solving things, you are wrong.
And i'm not going to remove it this time.
I just don't understand that you cannot see it's value.
Deliver the whole story ,or deliver nothing.
Marco.
Since this thread is completely off the rails anyway, I'll throw one more thing out as food for thought. I mentioned at one time that there was part of my theory of TPU operation that, to my knowledge, had not been considered previously. One thing that keeps sticking in my mind is that during some of his tests, Tesla said he was 'creating electrons'. No doubt statements like this only added to the ridicule heaped upon him. However, I believe he was right. How could electrons be 'created'? With muons. Think about it. Muons come flying in from space at faster-than-light velocities. This is proven by their speed measurements and resulting time-dilation. They come in from all different angles and at all different speeds. As they slow down, they break down into a photon, and electron!! and other quantum particles. Muons are the most highly-concentrated non-atomic particle at sea level. Normally they have to go at least 60 feet underground before they break down into an electron, photon, etc. However, if there were a way to slow them down enough so the breaking-down occurred, for example, above a TPU (say by a dielectric field expanding, X-number of times per second, at faster-than-light velocities), then if there was an absence of electrons in a collector coil, because the electrons normally in the wire were at that moment pushed out away from the wire, then one could capture these newly-created electrons in that vacuum. Kinetic energy from the speed of the muons themselves would be transferred to the dielectric field, causing it to collapse with more force than it expanded with. After the muon deteriorated into its component parts, we would gain an electron, as well as the energy from the newly-created photon.
Some things support this theory. I think it's no accident that Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower had a grounding plane that went several hundred feet into the ground. If he were trying to capture muons as they converted into an electron, photon, etc., it could be done most effectively at a depth of 60 feet or more. The second thing that I believe supports this idea is that the Muon-G experiments determined that 225 Khz was the most effective frequency with which to capture muons, given the magnetic field strength that they were using. As I recall, SM said something once about how hard it would be to find the frequencies AND voltages....not just frequencies. He also mentioned that his tube amp would go up to 245 khz maximum, so it's in the same general range. To effectively capture muons, one would need the right magnetic field strength (determined by voltage), as well as the right frequency (which would determine how many times/sec the incoming muons were 'pushed against' by the expanding dielectric field in order to slow them down and keep them in the area so that when they broke down, the muon components would be in the area, ready to be harvested. Too strong a mag field, or too many pulses/sec would push the components away, and too weak of either would let them fly right on by into the earth.
Quote from SM:
"Speed of the electrons across the surface of the wire is part of the key in my conversion process.
In this country the electric companies are now converting to long range transmission using high frequency alternating current instead of the ancient 60 cycle system used throughout most of the world for the last 100 years.
I do not know if this will be helpful to you or not."
I don't think this information is accurate. I just talked to a friend who works on power transmission lines for a living. He said as far as he knew, all power transmission, at least in the US, runs at a frequency of 60 Hz. He said the long-haul lines run at much higher voltages (kilovolts) but none that he was aware of ran at any frequencies other than 60 Hz. If you think about it, rf frequencies would turn the lines into antennas, dissipating more energy as rf, resulting in higher losses over a distance.
In the late 80's I heard there were transmission (power line) experiments at 400 Hz. This required the use of motor-generator sets. Last I heard the costs were too high and the tests were limited to large military bases. I know we packaged very large 400 Hz diesel generators that had the added value of variable frequency for an Air Force base. They were likely used as a central power source for multiple aircraft.
I can see no way frequency change alone could bring any value to this concept. The thought that any portion of the grid was running at a different frequency seems possible but not likely at all. How could a 60Hz and another frequency system be coupled at such high voltages and power levels?
Stepping voltage up and down is common but frequency? Sure, it can be done at small power levels even without active devices but high power? That would be a great breakthrough alone.
Quote from: Neolystic on November 23, 2008, 03:26:09 PM
Since this thread is completely off the rails anyway, I'll throw one more thing out as food for thought. I mentioned at one time that there was part of my theory of TPU operation that, to my knowledge, had not been considered previously. One thing that keeps sticking in my mind is that during some of his tests, Tesla said he was 'creating electrons'. No doubt statements like this only added to the ridicule heaped upon him. However, I believe he was right. How could electrons be 'created'? With muons. Think about it. Muons come flying in from space at faster-than-light velocities. This is proven by their speed measurements and resulting time-dilation. They come in from all different angles and at all different speeds. As they slow down, they break down into a photon, and electron!! and other quantum particles. Muons are the most highly-concentrated non-atomic particle at sea level. Normally they have to go at least 60 feet underground before they break down into an electron, photon, etc. However, if there were a way to slow them down enough so the breaking-down occurred, for example, above a TPU (say by a dielectric field expanding, X-number of times per second, at faster-than-light velocities), then if there was an absence of electrons in a collector coil, because the electrons normally in the wire were at that moment pushed out away from the wire, then one could capture these newly-created electrons in that vacuum. Kinetic energy from the speed of the muons themselves would be transferred to the dielectric field, causing it to collapse with more force than it expanded with. After the muon deteriorated into its component parts, we would gain an electron, as well as the energy from the newly-created photon.
Some things support this theory. I think it's no accident that Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower had a grounding plane that went several hundred feet into the ground. If he were trying to capture muons as they converted into an electron, photon, etc., it could be done most effectively at a depth of 60 feet or more. The second thing that I believe supports this idea is that the Muon-G experiments determined that 225 Khz was the most effective frequency with which to capture muons, given the magnetic field strength that they were using. As I recall, SM said something once about how hard it would be to find the frequencies AND voltages....not just frequencies. He also mentioned that his tube amp would go up to 245 khz maximum, so it's in the same general range. To effectively capture muons, one would need the right magnetic field strength (determined by voltage), as well as the right frequency (which would determine how many times/sec the incoming muons were 'pushed against' by the expanding dielectric field in order to slow them down and keep them in the area so that when they broke down, the muon components would be in the area, ready to be harvested. Too strong a mag field, or too many pulses/sec would push the components away, and too weak of either would let them fly right on by into the earth.
This is VERY VERY interesting I had not seen this before. It does need it own thread
Thank you for your positive input
Lindsay
Thanks @Lindsay for your compliment. Muon harvest is one of 3 working theories that I'm currently working to prove or disprove. The reason you haven't seen the muon theory anywhere else is that, as far as i know, it's entirely my own, and now I'm giving it out to the public domain. The test I outlined above is designed to filter out any external influences except for muons, Earth's mag field, and the aether. I've also written up my aether theory but haven't posted it because it's based entirely on the bible. I thought it'd be best to start out with the parts that would cause the fewest possible number of people to label me as crazy and move up from there lol. In any case, each test run will take several days to complete, so I'll start a new thread as soon as I have something tangible to post, besides theory.
Even simpler...
Since the distance from the wires wouldnt enable any appreciable power harvest, the devices could simply work off of 60hz resonance. The ringing goes so much farther in time and distance. I had posted 2 years ago that the SM17 could be a receiver / transmitter and that the SM4 & 6 could be receivers.
The line towers will actually ring the Earth. The crystaline structure of the marble floor in the house would also see that.
Now is it illegal to harvest the ringing from the power company? Plug in a microwatt 60hz oscillator in an outlet farthest away from the junction box and the whole circuit leg will be alive. That makes it a transmitter. The receiving device is a loosely coupled air inductor. Match the load and you have power to drive. In others words, don't match the wattage in and out. Simply match the resonance.
Wth power lines that close SM paid too much for the property. I don't and never will live next to things like that.
--giantkiller. Simply Tesla. Still is.
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!! LOL
perhaps this is where sm went WRONG!! :D
lol
all the good stuff comes form the same place ......
ist
1 freq 2 freq 3 freq.... 20 ferq IT DONT FREQ 'IN MATTER lol
you want to do somthing USEFUL.... post wire lengths....... tuned
I still don't think the power came from utility lines but I find this interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie
I put out some feelers to a few contacts still in the industry. They all asked why I didn't consider DC. It seems DC is one method of bulk power transmission.
No skin effect, corona, harmonics and other AC problems. Interesting possible effects from the firing of the switching? This still can't explain how SM could come up with it away from the area of such a line.
It might be interesting to reproduce these actions in a toroid.....
P.S.
The powerline/house photos posted clearly indicate the lines are NOT part of the DC Intertie so they will NOT be DC lines.
I have asked Stefan to move this current topic (SM energy from power lines) starting with EM's post #39 to a new thread.
If you continue to post here, keep the subject on the power line issue until it is moved so that Stefan will not have to sort posts.
Lots of good information (and some rather bad info) coming forth. All things should be considered as part of due diligence, but in the case of the power lines, using scientific method, not conjecture because it is testable. I will post more on this subject when it is moved.
Neolystic:
Thanks for the new (Muon) theory. Perhaps it should also have it's own thread. Also, it would be interesting to hear yourr other two theories
Kind regards...HD
In the long video, the one that shows a couple of small TPU's at the end, SM mentions that the devices have been tested successfully at 15000 feet in an airplane.
(SM may have also stated that they have been tested on a boat at sea - have to look again to confirm this.)
So much for the power line theory, but it was a fun read.
Hi all,
Interesting theory about the Muons although to my knowledge they cannot exist longer than a few mircoseconds and are actually created in the upper atmosphere by another process of other incoming particles.
Of course the strange time dialation effect was noticed because these Muons only last a couple of microseconds in the upper atmosphere and could never exist long enough to get down here. However, we do detect them down here! The reason is that they move at the speed of light, so from their point of view they have only lived for a couple of microseconds. But from our point of view they have existed for much longer due to the dialation effects!
You can call a muon a heavy electron!
SM once mentioned about "what if you could speed up electrons to the speed of light".
I have often wondered about having one end of an oscillating circuit in another time frame, what would be the result of the circuit as a whole?
???
Regards,
Dave.
From here you can find some interesting articles, how a wireless power transfer from HV power lines can be possible, and data transfer in HV power lines for automated meter reading.
http://www.dce.fe.untz.ba/ISPLC_Suljanovic_final.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13093-spy-planes-to-recharge-by-clinging-to-power-lines.html
Esa
Quote from: Esa Maunu on November 24, 2008, 01:50:28 PM
From here you can find some interesting articles, how a wireless power transfer from HV power lines can be possible, and data transfer in HV power lines for automated meter reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
http://www.dce.fe.untz.ba/ISPLC_Suljanovic_final.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13093-spy-planes-to-recharge-by-clinging-to-power-lines.html
Esa
Quote from: CTG Labs on November 24, 2008, 10:12:23 AM
Hi all,
Interesting theory about the Muons although to my knowledge they cannot exist longer than a few mircoseconds and are actually created in the upper atmosphere by another process of other incoming particles.
Of course the strange time dialation effect was noticed because these Muons only last a couple of microseconds in the upper atmosphere and could never exist long enough to get down here. However, we do detect them down here! The reason is that they move at the speed of light, so from their point of view they have only lived for a couple of microseconds. But from our point of view they have existed for much longer due to the dialation effects!
You can call a muon a heavy electron!
SM once mentioned about "what if you could speed up electrons to the speed of light".
I have often wondered about having one end of an oscillating circuit in another time frame, what would be the result of the circuit as a whole?
???
Regards,
Dave.
At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?
Quote from: jordas on November 24, 2008, 05:07:26 PM
At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?
This Tesla setup?
Quote from: jordas on November 24, 2008, 05:07:26 PM
At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?
Hi,
No I did not know this, but I find it very interesting since each pole is just turning on and off at different times, there is no real rotation in space. Just that objects like magnet rotors can be rotated by the effect?
Do you have any further info on this? SM did comment about rotation and the speed of light and it could be very relevant!
Thanks,
Dave.
Hello,
The device ME3951a in the video which measures the strength of magnetic field and volts.
here is the link:
http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/en/Online-Shop/Measurement/Low-Frequency/Instruments/eME3951A.html
Quote from: CTG Labs on November 24, 2008, 05:22:15 PM
Hi,
No I did not know this, but I find it very interesting since each pole is just turning on and off at different times, there is no real rotation in space. Just that objects like magnet rotors can be rotated by the effect?
Do you have any further info on this? SM did comment about rotation and the speed of light and it could be very relevant!
Thanks,
Dave.
OK, first i don't really agree on the part with turning on and off but hey I'm not perfect ;)
second, excuse my poor drawing skills it had to be fast and simple.
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Hmm, let's see, we have a horizontal coil A and we have another coil(s) C, now let's assume that we manage to create a virtual magnet (i love that) inside the coils (for this purpose would be coil c needed) so that the flux lines are not in the same plane with coil c ,a bit of asymmetry;pos 1 or 2; so that we have now a N pole and a S pole .Ok.You all know that when we now rotate that virtual magnet we don't have any flux changes inside coil A so we don't have any induced current. So far so good.But let's play a bit more.What would happend if the poles are rotating so fast across the circumference of the coils that they would hit the speed of light? it's just a question of right freq and the actual circumference.Now the poles are so damn fast that the coil A just sees a whole field inside itself aka much more flux .Oops. more flux mean a flux change.Evrika.
Hi,
Thanks for your diagram. I cannot see why you think there is a real rotating field. We turn coils on and off. These coils are stationary and so are the fields they produce. We turn them on and off with a certain phase/timing so that a magnet rotor in the centre can be spun. But the electromagnetic field is not rotating in anyway.
However I see you have wound coils over a central coil at 90 degrees in your diagram. The coils changing magnetic field will produce an electric field which will want to push the electrons out the side of the wire. There will be no net current in the normal direction and these coils will not even know the other is there.
Perhaps I am missing something obvious.
Thank you for your patience.
Regards,
Dave.
intresting....
i designed a 3 freq/phase quaduture pulse motor 12 n 1 config .. ;)
i will be building it at some point ... but 4 now i will start easy ... :)
3 freq
hope your all happy ...
cuz im a spinn the damn thing for ya.... real soon... i like my audio model but we will do it magnetic this TIME....
just built my amps i have 3 of em at 20w bridged they can handle 2 ohms but i will run em at 4 ... so i guess i want impediance matched coils.... could be important ;) lol
my new controller soon to finish it ...
ist
here is my pic of my controller ... what a time to get this pic here .... i tell ya ..
Quote from: CTG Labs on November 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
Hi,
Thanks for your diagram. I cannot see why you think there is a real rotating field. We turn coils on and off. These coils are stationary and so are the fields they produce. We turn them on and off with a certain phase/timing so that a magnet rotor in the centre can be spun. But the electromagnetic field is not rotating in anyway.
However I see you have wound coils over a central coil at 90 degrees in your diagram. The coils changing magnetic field will produce an electric field which will want to push the electrons out the side of the wire. There will be no net current in the normal direction and these coils will not even know the other is there.
Perhaps I am missing something obvious.
Thank you for your patience.
Regards,
Dave.
Hmm.I'd say that it's not relevant if the fields are moving or not.Fact is that the resultant magnetic vector is rotating.Agree on that?And in order to have a induced current in a coil you must have a varying magnetic vector inside it.But what you seem not to get is the idea of relativistic movement of that vector.Please excuse me if I'm not able to get into full details on this one.Again take only the vector ,that would be the (Red-to-Blue-line) and rotate it from 1 to 2.Due to relativity the coil A will see a resultant vector that will be the grey line(s).It will happen only at speed c.At this moment the coil will see a field that's actually not there and act as it would be one there.i know it's weird.but it's true.And there's more.Even if the rotating speed is less than c there are other effects involved due to the existence of an external magnetic field.the geomagnetic one.
@jordas
When you use 'c' do you indeed mean speed of light in a vacuum or speed of light in the conductor?
Either way it seems the coils 'C' driving frequency would be very high???
I'll buy the 'relativistic' rotation.
>>Edit...
Interesting notion: I understand the relative vectors are all that really matter. 'c' in a wire is much less than 'c' in a vacuum. Drive the coils 'C' with a simple multivibrator or 555 setup with only two outputs - alternating. Two outputs because there are two sets of 'C' coils. All we need then is to make the frequency 'look' like it is travelling faster than current 'could' travel in that 'A' wire and we break the sound?? barrier?
Even when coils are right angles to each other there is induction, of a sort. The only thing induced is the rise and fall of the driving signal. In this case (A surrounded by C) only one is induced? The rise or the fall?
I tried this all before in different ways. Guess I never hit the right frequencies :(
if i remember correctly ... the freqs were close in the audio ver ... like 2 real close and turn 1 to change speed and dirrection this was useing 3 speekers 3 amps 3 laptops .. this rotation sounds verry wild ... almost like a race car going round a track with a kinda ring to it ...
so i have herd ....
ist
i dont think the freqs matter so much ... they need to be set to your coils to ringggg em ;) 3rd to rotate.... 8)
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/61.568274
Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference
I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies. Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!
EM
Quote from: jordas on November 24, 2008, 07:39:07 PM
...
Even if the rotating speed is less than c there are other effects involved due to the existence of an external magnetic field.the geomagnetic one.
What sort of "effects"?
Let's suppose, hypothetically, that I don't believe in fields and rather than rotate a magnetic field, I want to rotate the underlying potential that supports the existence of the magnetic field. After all, Stephan Marinov claimed emphatically, that there are no "fields" - only "potentials" and since a magnetic field is dynamic, something is causing it.
So, what is really rotating? A change in the potential?
Quote from: EMdevices on November 24, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/61.568274
Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference
I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies. Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!
EM
@EM
so are you now totally convinced that SM somehow found a way to tap 1000W of power from high tension power lines delivered to his TPU's? End of story?
I think the detective work you did on the mansion and related power lines is awesome! You should be a private investigator!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: EMdevices on November 24, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/61.568274
Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference
I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies. Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!
EM
Power lines can not explain how the TPU could operate in an aircraft at 15000 feet, or how it could operate on a boat floating in the Pacific Ocean (boat is a guess - still have to check that).
@EMDevices
With respect, what new direction, exactly, are you suggesting we take? Should we move to threads that do not contain the name of SM? Switch to projects that try to take advantage of the same basic principals as the TPU was 'supposed' to operate on but drop everything having to do with the TPU itself? That may in fact be a reasonable course of action. Or are you saying we should give up trying to understand OU altogether?
Maybe the TPU was faked, maybe it wasn't....but if we gave up every time some charlatan in search of investor riches rather than OU came along, where would we be? OK...admittedly we'd be about where we are now anyway lol...with lots of theories and nothing that 'really' works. I for one applaud your diligence and the information you brought forward. Is the information demoralizing? You damn right it is. Did it need to come out? Absolutely. However, for me it's about the search, and whether or not the TPU was faked is irrelevant. I choose not to let one maybe-or-maybe-not fake discourage me into giving up the search for OU, in whatever form that eventually becomes manifest.
- Neo
Quote from: BEP on November 24, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
@jordas
When you use 'c' do you indeed mean speed of light in a vacuum or speed of light in the conductor?
Either way it seems the coils 'C' driving frequency would be very high???
I'll buy the 'relativistic' rotation.
>>Edit...
Interesting notion: I understand the relative vectors are all that really matter. 'c' in a wire is much less than 'c' in a vacuum. Drive the coils 'C' with a simple multivibrator or 555 setup with only two outputs - alternating. Two outputs because there are two sets of 'C' coils. All we need then is to make the frequency 'look' like it is travelling faster than current 'could' travel in that 'A' wire and we break the sound?? barrier?
Even when coils are right angles to each other there is induction, of a sort. The only thing induced is the rise and fall of the driving signal. In this case (A surrounded by C) only one is induced? The rise or the fall?
I tried this all before in different ways. Guess I never hit the right frequencies :(
I mean the vacuum c.About the driving freq of C, if the magnetic field or vector (or name it as you wish) would only just rotate at c you'll not have any induced current inside coil A because for the coil A nothing will be varying, so there must be rotation(virtual full flux-grey lines) and pause (less flux) and so on.
BTW, my diagram would explain just the easy part.Let's see how one can get the initial field pattern (the red-to-blue line), in the classic setup you'll get both poles in he same plane as the quadrature and that will not work. ;)
well it seams possible to tap 60hz ... but aint that theift ...... :-\
but it all so seams possible to rotate coils through switching and collect what comes back..... basic stuff here
it all works in theory and i dont think it breaks any laws of physics.....
but i just cant seem to get it to work ..... :P do to my laque of electronics back ground
sure get lots of zaps tho ;D yes they hurt....
another future project of mine .... ;) :)
it dont look hard ......
what the flux..... lol the time machine... ;D
i read in a magizene some rings are currently running on borrowed time i have the article i should post a pic.... :o lol lol
IST!
none of you guys read magizenes any more ..... hummmmm..... lol :D
One theory I have heard about SM's TPU is that he always did his demonstrations near some form of radar.
The TPU just collects radar energy and converts it into usable electricity.
Some have analyzed the audio on his videos and picked up the sound of airplanes taking off.
This is what I heard about it but I hope it's not true, I hope he really has found a way of tapping into a new energy source.
I read somewhere that someone did something like this as a scam attempt,.
The man had a display setup on a table in his farm yard, and when it came time to do the demo,
he signaled his wife to turn on a microwave oven with the door taken off.
The display unit captured the microwave energy and ran some devices on the table.
Someone got wise to what the farmer was doing and his scam was exposed.
Quote from: AbbaRue on November 25, 2008, 05:32:59 AM
One theory I have heard about SM's TPU is that he always did his demonstrations near some form of radar.
The TPU just collects radar energy and converts it into usable electricity.
Some have analyzed the audio on his videos and picked up the sound of airplanes taking off.
This is what I heard about it but I hope it's not true, I hope he really has found a way of tapping into a new energy source.
I read somewhere that someone did something like this as a scam attempt,.
The man had a display setup on a table in his farm yard, and when it came time to do the demo,
he signaled his wife to turn on a microwave oven with the door taken off.
The display unit captured the microwave energy and ran some devices on the table.
Someone got wise to what the farmer was doing and his scam was exposed.
Hi all,
I think these microwave questions have gone around many times. Give the rate of drop off and the amount of power taken from the TPU and the distance a transmitter would need to be... If the transmitter was far enough away to be hidden and not kill the operator, the TPU could not collect and output 20kW. If it was close enough, you would have to be totally insane.
I dont believe this much power can be collected from a high voltage line or a microwave transmitter. I am not saying the TPU is a fake. But if its, it is not done this way.
D.
Quote from: jordas on November 25, 2008, 02:20:46 AM
BTW, my diagram would explain just the easy part.Let's see how one can get the initial field pattern (the red-to-blue line), in the classic setup you'll get both poles in he same plane as the quadrature and that will not work. ;)
Understood and not a problem ;D
This is where two or more coil sets would be required. Or perhaps, flip one half of A so A just 'thinks' things are ideal.....
I see now why low turn count in A and C. Too much in A gives it more circumference to cover. Too much in coils 'C' and you have self-defeating self-inductance and less speed. Maybe I'm way off again but this fits exactly with my experiments with LF resonance of small coils.
So a 17 inch diameter A coil would require a frequency of about 1 billion cps? If so, I won't be picking it up with my hands :)
Quote from: EMdevices on November 24, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/61.568274
Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference
I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies. Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!
EM
http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/31/78/54/PDF/angeo-23-2107-2005.pdf
There are experimental reports indicating that radio waves from long electrical transmission lines may leak into near-
Earth space and modify the space environment (e.g. Bullough, 1995; Parrot and Zaslavski, 1996).
Radio waves in the very low frequency (VLF, 3â€"30 kHz) and extremely low frequency (ELF, 3â€"3000 Hz) bands can interact with cyclotron resonant Van Allen radiation belt electrons near the equatorial zone.
Why did the TV explode (implode)?
I think that everyone with any kind of electrical background must agree that energy can be stored in a magnetic field. So when the power company changes the magnetic domains in a transformer core they have stored energy in it. The impedance of the primary is matched so that very little CURRENT passes through the primary at no load conditions from the secondary. The secondary current draw alters the core saturation parameters and more current flows through the primary as a result. The thing to notice here is that the core is going to change it's saturation parmeters no matter if a current is drawn on the secondary or not. Magnetic potential energy is stored in the core of the transformer and this magnetic energy is not the result of current it is the result of Voltage. So in the weak magnetic field of the Earth there is stored energy but very diffused. What if the television set was creating a magnetic tornadoe. The magnetic field is a liquid field. The hall effect proves it , Leeskalin proved it, when they make a permanent magnet they proove it. Geomagnetic storms prove it. There is something flowing along magnetic lines of force. So what if this something goes tornadoe? Now the diffused magnetic energy of the Earth field is relavent to the little magnetic whirlwind we got going inside the tv.
Here's your imploding tv story.
An electricity surge that sparked small fires, caused appliances to go haywire and temporarily displaced hundreds of residents was caused when a line to overhead transformers snapped, fire authorities said Monday.
The source of the outage was a transformer near the intersection of Dorchester and South Elder streets, Nieman said.
The energized electrical wire from the transformer collapsed
and touched cable television equipment at the eaves of homes, said Nieman.
The result: a surge of electricity into a few dozen homes, and in some cases,
straight into appliances.Cliff Lorenzen was
in his kitchen baking cookies when the line collapsed. His sons Anthony and Michael, ages 12 and 8 respectively, were watching television when they heard what Anthony called a “popcorn-popping sound.........â€Sounds Familiar? ? ?
That happend close to where Steven lived at the time....coincedence?? i think not.
Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2000/nov/14/local/me-51623 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/nov/14/local/me-51623)
Case Closed.
Oregon Vortex?
Watch how the DC line crosses the 3 Phase AC lines at that percise spot....
3 Phase? yes 3 phase....
Didn't Steeve visit that place? i bet he saw the lines and the rotating compass and the dream was born.
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Do you have another explanation?
Steven said hed visited the place ,saw the rotating compass, and then rents a mansion near the same lines and builds a rotating energy device...
Follow those high power 3 Phase lines, they travel directly through the back yard of the famous demo house.....
Seriously ,go figure.
Marco.
Hi,
The earth is surrounded by a high voltage electric field.
This field extends from the ionosphere to the surface and the potential difference is between 300,000 and 400,000 volts.
The earth’s surface is negatively charged, the atmosphere is positively charged except in certain areas as in thunderstorms.
The charge on the earth is generated and maintained by the action of high voltage atomic particles called cosmic rays and the action of short wave ultra-violet light emitted by the sun.
During solar flares the output of these rays can be tremendous and produce magnetic storms on the earth. The existence of this field has been known since 1752.
The positive field produces a voltage gradient across the atmosphere.
This gradient approaches 200 to 300 volts per meter near the surface of the earth.
This voltage can be as high as several thousand volts per meter depending on humidity, storms, etc.
The total energy flowing to the earth at any given moment is 400,000 volts times the leakage current of 1800 amps or a total of 700,000,000 watts.
There are 300 thunderstorms going on at all times all over the earth.
It is believed that these storms maintain the equilibrium of the charge on the earth by maintaining the voltage difference.
The Ark of the Covenant is described in Exodus 25: 10-21 as being a large box made of acacia wood and lined inside and out with a layer of pure gold.
The description of the Ark is of a very large electric. Capacitor.
If an Arc as described was built and placed in the earth’s electrostatic field and charged, it would have a charge of some 600 to 1000 volts and would have enough stored charge to kill anything that touched it.
The Ark is supposed to have the power to kill, by some mysterious energy.
I believe it killed by an electric charge.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050302electric-earth.htm (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050302electric-earth.htm)
http://www.crystalinks.com/earthsmagneticfield.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/earthsmagneticfield.html)
An electrical surge into a TV set will not pull the nails our of walls, much less twist them.
The Oregon Vortex is a gravitational anomoly - nothing is pulled towards it - nails are not puolled out of the buildings around the Oregon Vortex site.
The twisting of objects conatining iron, such as nails, is a big clue to what occured even if we do not understand it. I think this requires very specific parameters. No one has ever come forward to explain this, even with all the other explanations of SM's devices.
A rotating magnetic field? This field would be several Tesla's to pull the nails out of walls.
A force that produced a rotation and attraction to iron would explain the naisl being twisted as they were pulled from the walls, but what force can do this?
OK
this is way out there
Rotating aether vortex patterned as a vacuum, electric field, and magnetic field - would have been inside the picture tube.
Pulled conductive objects toward its center and magnetic conductor were also twisted. Might have only pulled objects in front of the TV, or more from in front and little from sides.
Quote from: Gobaga on November 25, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
An electrical surge into a TV set will not pull the nails our of walls, much less twist them.
The Oregon Vortex is a gravitational anomoly - nothing is pulled towards it - nails are not puolled out of the buildings around the Oregon Vortex site.
The twisting of objects conatining iron, such as nails, is a big clue to what occured even if we do not understand it. I think this requires very specific parameters. No one has ever come forward to explain this, even with all the other explanations of SM's devices.
A rotating magnetic field? This field would be several Tesla's to pull the nails out of walls.
A force that produced a rotation and attraction to iron would explain the naisl being twisted as they were pulled from the walls, but what force can do this?
The Hutchison effect.
I'll make you all a deal here. Everybody has an answer in the current thinking trends based upon their training or experience. Stuff it. I have continuously explained what the components are involved with what John has done. You can pull it right out of the videos. No magic. So forget what you think you know or can apply and investigate the Hutchison effect. The typical blather doesn't even come close. I even gave demos of multiple frequencies injected into Tesla's bucking coil. Albeit the power was small. But I saw what it is that everybody is chasing with their tongues.
The deal? I will leave and never come back. Seriously. One of you will catch on to high frequency heterodyning. Its not about me. It is about what is right in front of your faces. If you haven't built to experience then
you don't know. I have not seen nor heard any comparative thinking based upon what I have stated here.. Everybody goes right into plagurizing or MSU(making sh!t up, yes that is the university you can't possibly graduate from).
--giantkiller. Clowns to the left, jokers to the right. Happy holiday in the tard rodeo.
Quote from: giantkiller on November 25, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
The Hutchison effect.
I'll make you all a deal here. Everybody has an answer in the current thinking trends based upon their training or experience. Stuff it. I have continuously explained what the components are involved with what John has done. You can pull it right out of the videos. No magic. So forget what you think you know or can apply and investigate the Hutchison effect. The typical blather doesn't even come close. I even gave demos of multiple frequencies injected into Tesla's bucking coil. Albeit the power was small. But I saw what it is that everybody is chasing with their tongues.
The deal? I will leave and never come back. Seriously. One of you will catch on to high frequency heterodyning. Its not about me. It is about what is right in front of your faces. If you haven't built to experience then you don't know. I have not seen nor heard any comparative thinking based upon what I have stated here.. Everybody goes right into plagurizing or MSU(making sh!t up, yes that is the university you can't possibly graduate from).
--giantkiller. Clowns to the left, jokers to the right. Happy holiday in the tard rodeo.
@GK, I agree with you that the imploding TV is likely the result of the Hutchison effect. That being said, I also feel the need, as a friend, to tell you to stop with the freaking drama and abusive tone, it's not helpful here. Besides, i don't believe anyone here wants to see you leave and never come back.
Now...what would cause this Hutchison effect? If, in fact, all matter exists as a result of the omnidirectional heterodyning of the aether into single points of intersection which manifest as matter called electrons or other subatomic particles, THEN changing one or more of the component frequencies that comprise such intersections would have a direct effect on the makeup AND location of said matter. Just my opinion.
- Neo
thats cuz i have not spoken lould enough ... :) just getting over the simple stuff..
i just about finished the layout of my controller in doing so ...
i have yes! another 000OOooo SH!T MOMENT! ;)
lol
and i cant even tell ya about it ... well lets say this perticular controller has 2 ohm 4 ohm and 8 ohm loads... hummmmm my coils i will use are resionant to 350hz @4 ohm there fore 175 @ 2 ohm and 700 @ 8 ohm .... and i have 2 hifi tube amps that go 16 ohm and 32 ohm
well i can go on but i wont
calling bolt .....
you round .....
@gk that hetrodyineing sure is neat ... looks like it might be a good carrier freq... hummmm....
anyhow about that article i spoke of it is found in dec's issue 2 of knowledge mag ...
pg 31 last pic on the right at the bottom of the page.... NOTICE how they word it .... lol
"soon to be usurped by the LHC, is the Tevatron living on borrowed time.....? "
im sure it is...
well need i say more
ist
Plasma layering from an electrode 30kv above ground in picture below. At 30kv electrons are accelerated at speeds whereby their inertial gain is enough to strip them from the atomic field. What effects can we expect from this selfconfined plasma?. The inertial gain of the electrons comes at what expense of the input energy in this type of plasmic current? Or do we have a mass to energy event here?
Hmmm.....
The economy is really starting to bite us all.
It seems no one can afford their medication now.
I'll say it again. 'A valid theory', all of them. Almost all are just as valid as the others are, with the exception of one. And that person probably ran off screaming again when the feeding frenzy ramped up again.
We are all musicians it seems. When we here someone trying to play their song we jump in and do our best to drown out the tune with our own. Have I done the same? Sure! Now that I know what it looks like from another's perspective I'll do my damnedest to not repeat it.
I know things are bad when you all start to sound crazy to me. Never thought that would happen.
Are you all trying to run me out of business? I mean, really! CRAZY IS MY JOB - NOT YOURS!
Ok. I apologize.
But look at this. John is in the videos where little things are jumping around. He is nowhere to be found when the really profound things are happening. Can ya guess why?
You read Keely, Leedskalnin, Russell. @Sparks has been posting along around these points. @neo, your last aether post is right on. @BEP, sorry to interfere in your wing of the insane asylum. I hear nurse Cratchet calling me for an inhouse lobotomy.
For the really great tests, you can't duck fast enough.
--giantkiller.
I think we all have our own wings in the asylum, since we all obviously need more than just one room each. But it sure gets interesting when we meet together in the cafeteria! lol
@GK - maybe John wants to keep all his body parts in the same timeframe? Or is there more?
PS In case anyone missed it, I posted part of my own crazy song over here last night. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6150.msg139925#msg139925
Quote from: sparks on November 25, 2008, 08:16:32 PM
Plasma layering from an electrode 30kv above ground in picture below. At 30kv electrons are accelerated at speeds whereby their inertial gain is enough to strip them from the atomic field. What effects can we expect from this selfconfined plasma?. The inertial gain of the electrons comes at what expense of the input energy in this type of plasmic current? Or do we have a mass to energy event here?
@Sparks - Is what you described the normal operation of a TV tube or are you saying some kind of cascade/resonation effect occurred which resulted in a several-orders-of-magnitude stronger mag field around the sides of the tube? If that were the case, would we not have an equally strong dielectric field at right angles to the mag field, emanating straight out the front of the tv tube? The strength of these dielectric lines could not possibly have been strong enough to pull the matter in the room towards the tv in and of themselves, but could they have been strong enough to alter one or more of the frequencies which heterodyned omnidirectionally into bits of matter, thereby altering that matter's shape and location in relation to other matter around it? ala Hutchison or Philadelphia experiment-type effects? Wow I think I'm getting a headache lol
Quote from: Neolystic on November 25, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
I think we all have our own wings in the asylum, since we all obviously need more than just one room each. But it sure gets interesting when we meet together in the cafeteria! lol
@GK - maybe John wants to keep all his body parts in the same timeframe? Or is there more?
PS In case anyone missed it, I posted part of my own crazy song over here last night. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6150.msg139925#msg139925
Extremely on the mark.
--giantkiller.
There was no exploding tv.
Steven took the story out of the new york times, added a dead black kid, some displaced iron things and nails bend like cork screws.
And we all love it, don't we.
I was never expecting me to say this but here it is:
The TPU is a very well placed scam.
It has cost me 4 years of my life and about 20.000$ and now i'm glad it's over so i can work on other things.
Marco-
Quote from: Chef on November 25, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Think whatever you want about Steven Mark story, but you can't be serious about the connection between the Oregon vortex and power line crossings. :D
I am serious and i asked if you had a better explanation? :D :D :D
Hello all,
@marco
Whats going on? Scam???
Otto
Quote from: EMdevices on November 22, 2008, 09:59:56 PM
Nothing which can not be Googled, Lindsay.
That's why I'm not posting the address.
What you see is Bird's eye view photo data from www.msn.com
I doubt SM still lives there, but that's where the videos were made, that I'm sure of.
Powerlines as the source? I'm starting to think so. But I'm not 100 % sure yet. It could be how he started this adventure. After all, in his first video he says that the energy comes from earth magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency (can we say 60 Hz?) After all this is way stronger on the VLF charts then the weak Schuman frequency.
take from this what you will, I'm just a bit more skeptical now, but haven't thrown out the baby with the bath water yet.
EM
P.S. Oh I have a schematic and lots of patents, but we can't let loose. Everybody would be stealing power from the companies then, wouldn't they?
P.S Oh my God, there is no more Privacy on the internet !!!!! This photo is from Google
Hi EM,
well done in locating this house.
We really have to know more.
Maybe finally will all the people come forward, who
were involved in making the videos at this house.
It is a shame that they until now did not yet came forward
and told their witness story....
I hope you can drive by this house and ask the people living there
now some questions.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I have splitted and renamed the threads,
as I was asked for, as this got nothing to do with the
exploding TV set.
Quote from: redstone64 on November 24, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
Hello,
The device ME3951a in the video which measures the strength of magnetic field and volts.
here is the link:
http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/en/Online-Shop/Measurement/Low-Frequency/Instruments/eME3951A.html
Well,
really nice to see a former colleague from our Micro-Electronics Institute at the technical university of Berlin,Germany
having built such a nice measurement device in his company
www.gigahertz-solutions.de
Thomas Lorenz was always 5 years ahead of the other crowd ! ;)
Nice to see, that he is no longer working on gasoline bomb trigger ic circuits for
the military ! ;)
Congratulations Thomas !
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: sparks on November 25, 2008, 08:16:32 PM
Plasma layering from an electrode 30kv above ground in picture below. At 30kv electrons are accelerated at speeds whereby their inertial gain is enough to strip them from the atomic field. What effects can we expect from this selfconfined plasma?. The inertial gain of the electrons comes at what expense of the input energy in this type of plasmic current? Or do we have a mass to energy event here?
A method and apparatus altering a region of plasma
http://www.google.com/patents?id=ojk5AAAAEBAJ&dq=Bernard+Eastlund
Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere
http://www.google.com/patents?id=1aU4AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=Bernard+Eastlund#PPA1,M1
Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above
http://www.google.com/patents?id=xtkbAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=Bernard+Eastlund#PPA1,M1
Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere
http://www.google.com/patents?id=1aU4AAAAEBAJ&dq=Bernard+Eastlund
interesting the large ground wire connection, Tesla science
http://www.eastlundscience.com/
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 26, 2008, 02:16:52 AM
I was never expecting me to say this but here it is:
The TPU is a very well placed scam.
It has cost me 4 years of my life and about 20.000$ and now i'm glad it's over so i can work on other things.
Marco-
Hi Marco,
I can understand that you are a little frustrated right now.
But how do you think he faked the 1 KWatt lamps device ?
With a transfromer inside the table ?
Do you really think he could extract this from the powerlines running
over the house ?
You could never do this with just this coil device, that is for sure...
Surely you can light up a few fl tubes during nighttime, but their
power output would be lower than 5 Watts all in all..
Maybe you should compile a DVD with all your experiments and
the 1 wire stuff, where you lighted up the 60 Watts bulbs,
as we still don´t exactly know how you did it and
then sell this DVD.
Then this could compensate for all your work and money
put into it..
I till think you had done some great experiments which
have to be looked further into it much deeper...
But that can only happen, when the right documentation
of your experiments is there...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Just some rambling thoughts I´ve had after reading this thread:
I´ve been reading a little lately about the difference between the "near field" and the "far field". The near field is anywhere within 1 wavelength of the antenna. The near field distance for 60Hz is around 5000km. Within the near field distance you can inductively couple to the transmitter and you can transfer real power through the air with minimal losses and the coupled coils don´t act like regular antennas, i.e. you you don´t have to accurately align them.
I wonder if Steven managed to somehow make a "virtual" inductor that showed resonance at 60Hz, obviously to build a real inductor capable of resonating with any power at 60Hz would make the inductor MASSIVE.
I know alot of poeple are working with 3 freq. mixing, but on the video with the big coil he states it uses two frequencies. Is it possible to somehow superimpose 2 seperate inductors such that the difference in resonance (beat freq.) equals 60Hz?
eg.
InductorA resonance=340kHz
InductorB resonance=340.06kHz
BeatFreq=60Hz
So we excite inductorA with 340kHz and we excite inductorB with 340.06kHz and then (maybe) if the inductors are wound cleverly (angled bifilar or caduceus?) then a third "virtual" inductor could manifest and large energy could be extracted through resonant inductive coupling to the 60Hz lines which would otherwise require a massive coil.
It may also explain the "washboard" effect as the large TPU was slid along the table, the 60Hz magnetic couple?
@Wings & Neo
Hutchinson did an ark (arc is more like it) of the covenant replication. You can see it in operation on his website. The geometry of the spark gap involved in this experiment is quite interesting. It would tend to create a selfconfining plasma.
The magnetically self-confined plasma creates a totally positive field of ions. The electrons do not negate this charge as they are no longer in the inertial frame of the ions. In other words the ionized gas field is like a massive positively charged capacitor involving every single atom of the plasma ion core confined between the electrodes. This + charge field is felt well beyond the confined plasma field. Enough so that it can free and acelerate electrons towards the spark gap and the plazma field grows fueled by the atomic energy of the gases it is forming from. Scientists are using self confining plasma fields to get a fusion process going convinced you need to overcome the repulsion of protons to get any mass to energy conversion. You rip the electrons off an atom and I guarantee the neucleus doesn't like it. Maybe even converts some of it's mass in an attempt to counter the protonic repulsion within the neucleus. Those gluons let go and boy oh boy. That's for the particle physics guys to figure out. I just want to get some lightbulbs or a motor to run to ballast the electron flow initiated by the plazma confinement.
@GK
What is going on with Hutch now adays? I love when he use to delaminate metals like Tesla use to. Weird Science or ancient science?
@Wings
That's a long long ways and a shitload of money to get to some ionized gas. ;D
Not an electron flow, a flowing dielectric flux - like Dollard's RE light bulb in his Tesla coil video pulling on a copper bar - magnified a million times - somehow that TV became the Holy Grail for a second - caused the medium itself to move.
If this did actually occur, then there may be details of this event that were not disclosed, so we may never know if we are even close in our speculations, which makes for fun and a great waste of time.
Quote from: hartiberlin on November 26, 2008, 04:05:58 AM
Hi Marco,
I can understand that you are a little frustrated right now.
Regards, Stefan.
Who said i was frustrated?
Im not.
The capacity of those lines is 2 Gigawatt.
And Steven used multiple tricks.
Hes not fooling me again, neither does Lindsay.
It's a scam your wasting your time and money.
M.
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 26, 2008, 01:23:21 PM
Who said i was frustrated?
Im not.
The capacity of those lines is 2 Gigawatt.
And Steven used multiple tricks.
Hes not fooling me again, neither does Lindsay.
It's a scam your wasting your time and money.
M.
ok, cut the charade. or get a meds re-fill.
We've had the MAC-Attack this month, now the Turbo-Assault?
Until you can prove the power line theory, it's just another theory, no more valid than any other. Your frustration is noted, so move on as stated, or prove it can be done.
.99
SM may have lied about successful operation of TPU's in aircraft at 15000 feet (at the end of the newer and very long video), but it sure pokes a big hole in the powerline hypothesis.
Quote from: Yucca on November 26, 2008, 06:34:47 AM
InductorA resonance=340kHz
InductorB resonance=340.06kHz
BeatFreq=60Hz
I've thought along the same lines of using 2 freqs to create a third beat frequency, but my thinking has been more focused towards doing this as a way to connect with the Schumann frequency. I think this would be a very good test for the power line theory. Does anyone want to step up and build this for a test? I'd do it myself but my test equipment is tied up inside a Faraday cage for the next few weeks.
-Neo
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 26, 2008, 01:23:21 PM
Who said i was frustrated?
Im not.
The capacity of those lines is 2 Gigawatt.
And Steven used multiple tricks.
Hes not fooling me again, neither does Lindsay.
It's a scam your wasting your time and money.
M.
Hi Marco,
you were the one, that was always positive about the SM devices.
How come that you changed your mind now ?
How do you think he did light up the 8 x 100 Watts bulbs with the bigger unit ?
Was there a hidden transformer core inside the table then ?
How did he power the TV set or vacuum cleaner from the small ring via the
DC/AC converter( inverter) ?
How did he power all the things in the very first video in the hotel room ?
(Where there probably have not been any powerlines near there...)
So many open questions...
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So many open questions...
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yes but only 1 answer ;) :) ;D
ist!
BORROWED TIME ;D
I have changed my mind by some things i have seen in the video's.
I have changed my mind by somethings i have seen in the newspapers.
I have changed my mind by something i saw on EM's pictures.
The biggest unit never leaved the table.
In fact all things can be explained and they are quite easy to scam.
But the powerline that hit the cable tv wire and blew up the appliances made me sure we are dealing with a scammer.
Marco.
Quote from: Neolystic on November 26, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
I've thought along the same lines of using 2 freqs to create a third beat frequency, but my thinking has been more focused towards doing this as a way to connect with the Schumann frequency. I think this would be a very good test for the power line theory. Does anyone want to step up and build this for a test? I'd do it myself but my test equipment is tied up inside a Faraday cage for the next few weeks.
-Neo
Hmm, but the output test with showing the burning arcing shows, that is really was
a DC arc going on there, so the output really could be pulsed 5 Khz DC.
If that would have been 60 Hz AC the arc would have been totally different.
No, it does not seem to be 60 Hz AC output.
Also he always measured it on a DC scale meter, where AC
would not show up..
Maybe he just rectified the 60Hz AC via graetz bridge diodes to 120 Hz pulsed
DC ? Hmm...
Quote from: poynt99 on November 26, 2008, 01:35:04 PM
so move on as stated, or prove it can be done.
.99
For you?
I dont think so.
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 26, 2008, 02:26:05 PM
I have changed my mind by some things i have seen in the video's.
I have changed my mind by somethings i have seen in the newspapers.
I have changed my mind by something i saw on EM's pictures.
The biggest unit never leaved the table.
In fact all things can be explained and they are quite easy to scam.
But the powerline that hit the cable tv wire and blew up the appliances made me sure we are dealing with a scammer.
Marco.
i beleave the scam was on us.... to figure out what posiblly he could not .... it is still up in the air .... however sm shows proof in his words he knows damn well how to do it ;D ;)
weather he faked it or not does not matter i beleave he did what he set out to do :)
THANK YOU STEVEN N MARK! lol
he invoked massive reserch in to all of this and caused answers that have been burried for melina to BE EXPOSED!!
ist!
@ marco i have an explanation for the falling power line.... but i dont want to talk about it YA KNOW!!
at the time of the event ... could his tpu be aimed in the dirrection of the power line .... kinda like sunlight and a magnifing glass....
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 26, 2008, 02:29:13 PM
For you?
I dont think so.
No, not for me. I don't need any further proof.
For the sake of science and integrity.
.99
I'm pretty sure it was not a fake or scam. Power lines or not.
Perhaps your approach at replication was unknowingly flawed.
Quote from: sparks on November 26, 2008, 08:52:11 AM
@Wings & Neo
Hutchinson did an ark (arc is more like it) of the covenant replication. You can see it in operation on his website. The geometry of the spark gap involved in this experiment is quite interesting. It would tend to create a selfconfining plasma.
@GK
What is going on with Hutch now adays? I love when he use to delaminate metals like Tesla use to. Weird Science or ancient science?
QuoteIt all depends on how we supply the energy, and what kind of vibrations are more, in other less, adapted to affect our sense of vision. Tesla.
He was documenting the aggregation of materials to use energy to cause visible light. He was actually giving instructions to Edison. Edison, being the corrupt nethanderal, saw the light and figured that was the answer. This bozo got the credit. Tesla was actually progressing into the field of electrofluorescence. Edison never the saw the use of frequency for the light of day. Remember he only new DC. We have only made it to cro-magnon.
The greatest electrical effect is high frequency, and high voltage. The voltage creates the largest field volume in space. The high frequency enables the vibration of that field.
In space. Not the conductor. As long as the power remains in the conductor you have nothing. Simple?
Pierce Arrow. This is the proof of the process. All the answers have been displayed. In the past and currently.
Keely produced an immense amount of power and energy through the use of vibratory physics. No electronics.
A very smart man in the past here told me when I was newbie that 'One day you will be able to look at designs and instantly pick them apart and understand the operation'. No need to build/reproduce.
This place here holds the access to all the knowledge that one will ever need. The Aether. The universe. The galaxies. The suns and planets. Dielectrics. Matter. Atoms. Those are the objects with a right mix of configuration allows one to do what the great men and great societies did and what they talked about farther on.
You want to know the secret?
Don't move electrons, shake their orbit and bend their polarity.
That is the baseline pretense of all you chase. The rest is all different configurations. Some work, some don't.
--giantkiller. The time invested is well worth it!
Okay EM,
I also found the adress:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&ll=33.848149,-117.756269&spn=0.001668,0.003106&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.848358,-117.756426&panoid=pnct2NZpzBJylTxmeClxzw&cbp=12,256.14242244912225,,0,8.952668310989095 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&ll=33.848149,-117.756269&spn=0.001668,0.003106&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.848358,-117.756426&panoid=pnct2NZpzBJylTxmeClxzw&cbp=12,256.14242244912225,,0,8.952668310989095)
You can use street view to look around the street and at the house.
Seems to be it.
Anybody linving near:
7435 E Hummingbird Cir Anaheim, CA 92808
and can ring there and ask, when Steven D. Mark moved out
this house and if they still know, who was involved in doing all the videos
in this house ?
Many thanks.
Quote from: Yucca on November 26, 2008, 06:34:47 AM
The near field distance for 60Hz is around 5000km.
I find the thoughts in your post plausible except the above quote.
Near and Far field is still being debated. One thing is certain, not just by publications but my personal experience, Near and Far fields cannot use the same math below a certain frequency. Also, likely above a certain frequency.
Any boundary between near/far is surely a function of factors other than wavelength. In electronic warefare it is taught propagation of energy versus information changes dramatically below 300kHz.
In radiation measurements of power lines you can read a change as high as an order of magnitude with only a few meters difference.
Glory be if I could inductively couple to a 60 Hz line 5k away. I would be doing it now ;)
Quote from: hartiberlin on November 26, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
Okay EM,
I also found the adress:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&ll=33.848149,-117.756269&spn=0.001668,0.003106&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.848358,-117.756426&panoid=pnct2NZpzBJylTxmeClxzw&cbp=12,256.14242244912225,,0,8.952668310989095 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&ll=33.848149,-117.756269&spn=0.001668,0.003106&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.848358,-117.756426&panoid=pnct2NZpzBJylTxmeClxzw&cbp=12,256.14242244912225,,0,8.952668310989095)
You can use street view to look around the street and at the house.
Seems to be it.
Anybody linving near:
7418 E Hummingbird Cir, Anaheim, CA
and can ring there and ask, when Steven D. Mark moved out
this house and if they still know, who was involved in doing all the videos
in this house ?
Many thanks.
I hope the current tenants are forgiving.
My community is a bit backward. If I suddenly had folks coming to my house asking question about someone else they best be wearing rock salt proof shorts :D
EM, Maybe you can ask one of these neighbours about the Steven Mark
story.
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=33.847933,-117.756335&panoid=wE7EN-xbsMbe1c-LmMZCaw&cbp=12,250.57693915018658,,0,15.75537719815483&ll=33.848922,-117.756778&spn=0,359.997106&z=19&g=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&sll=33.845536,-117.777839&sspn=0.001669,0.003106&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=33.847933,-117.756335&panoid=wE7EN-xbsMbe1c-LmMZCaw&cbp=12,250.57693915018658,,0,15.75537719815483&ll=33.848922,-117.756778&spn=0,359.997106&z=19&g=7435+E+Hummingbird+Cir+Anaheim,+CA+92808&iwloc=addr)
Would be interesting to know, what they will tell you.
Sad of course :-\
Perhaps there was 3rd coil hidden in the table - just large coil (not transformer, Stefan) ... perhaps even under Persian carpet ... floor ... even around the room ... full house ...around full territory.
And then it was primary coil.
At least when it was inside the table - then explaned felt ´vibration, strange voice and gyroscope effect`,
Ohh dear ... such units like tpu´s are (or was?) on the list of my my major hopes :-[
regards,
khabe
Quote from: khabe on November 26, 2008, 04:16:04 PM
Sad of course :-\
Perhaps there was 3rd coil hidden in the table - just large coil (not transformer, Stefan) ...
Yes, I meant a large coil with an iron core, so
if you move the TPU on the table around over it, there would
be felt a drag, so that would be a possible explanation for the about 1 KWatts
unit how to maybe fake it.
But I am not saying that he indeed faked all the videos
as Roberto told me already that he has also seen overunity effects
in his TPU, so we should better continue with the experiments.
Maybe someone will come up with a simular device based
on Lenz law violations in these coils..
I just rewatched the UEC video and the above posted address is
really the house and the right location.
Many thanks to EMDevices to having found this out for us.
Regards, Stefan.
Khabe Fear not, lest yout hopes be dashed
This tech has been with us [most recently] for over 100 yrs
Chet
Personally I could give a shit where or when or how this guy lived. I hope that he lost a bundle in the stock market mess and finally surfaces with a book for sale or something to put this screwedup mess to rest. This forum really has about all the information about this jackass as it possibly could ever need.
Quote from: hartiberlin on November 26, 2008, 04:44:26 PM
Yes, I meant a large coil with an iron core, so
Myself I think about large diameter coil - no iron. When no iron in hidden primari coil then it is not detectable when "commissioners" try to find something. You can switch in/out it when needed by several ways. Now - TPU itself has some kind of ferrous core different types diversely - real core or like iron wire with copper ...
Just my opinion right now.
Im not sure you can haul in much energy from 3phase HV line even there are few hundred kV because its not " tuned antenna" and summa between 3phase radiation will be always near zero (up till you go too close and will be killed :o
May be Im wrong ...
Before and after WWII - the period of grand propagandas many simple men was living near big radio-stations, real amateurs, they built "tuned coils" and got "Free Energy" for hes houses ::)
But there was "special brigades" equipped with special apparatuses and they did hunting this kind of guys 8)
regards,
khabe
http://www.swallowcommand.com/docs/INVENTIONS3.pdf
</a>The two investors said they were led to believe Mr. Collins was the sole inventor but later
discovered he was working with a US associate named Stephen Mark.
Mr. Collins has told the men he and Mr. Mark had been working independently on developing
similar technology and made a breakthrough when they got together. He has signed authority
from Mr. Mark to raise money for the generator, despite claims by Philippinesbased
lawyer
Paul Stemm, who says he has the rights to raising money to develop the invention. 'Since
January 1995 I have had the authority to promote the TPU (toroidal power unit),' he said.
perhaps you have seent it, perhaps not ...
regards,
khabe
Quote from: khabe on November 26, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
http://www.swallowcommand.com/docs/INVENTIONS3.pdf
</a>The two investors said they were led to believe Mr. Collins was the sole inventor but later
discovered he was working with a US associate named Stephen Mark.
Mr. Collins has told the men he and Mr. Mark had been working independently on developing
similar technology and made a breakthrough when they got together. He has signed authority
from Mr. Mark to raise money for the generator, despite claims by Philippinesbased
lawyer
Paul Stemm, who says he has the rights to raising money to develop the invention. 'Since
January 1995 I have had the authority to promote the TPU (toroidal power unit),' he said.
perhaps you have seent it, perhaps not ...
regards,
khabe
Steven Mark, like Nikola Tesla, was a lousy business man. Why he associated himself with Brian Collins and Paul Stemm (both shady characters at best) is beyond comprehension.
I chuckle each time I watch Paul Stemm twice drop the light bulbs he is trying to screw in to the demo fixtures in the video. Good at putting together shady business deals, but couldn't screw in a light bulb to save his life.
.99
wow what a doc khabe
i never saw that b4 wow !!
@ 99 you the great one?
the great ones # was 99 no ? lol :D but im not a big hockey fan :D
ist! ;)
Well, nice new PDF file, I am justreading it.
I just tried to call the new owner of the house:
Jack Singh
7435 E Hummingbird Cir
Anaheim, CA 92808-1706
He is owner of
VEECO FOOD STORES in Anaheim.
1500 S Euclid St
Anaheim, CA 92802
But when I call from Germany, it says, I am calling without a callerID
and does not connect me..
Maybe EMDevices can try to call them ?
Just ask, if they still know SM and if they still
remember when there was a video made about 10 years ago in this house.
Many thanks.
P.S: Here are 2 better pictures of the house extracted from Microsoft Live Search.
Maybe there is some hidden TPUs in the attic. lol
Quote from: wattsup on November 26, 2008, 07:42:13 PM
Maybe there is some hidden TPUs in the attic. lol
lol..
how about here ....
i got 1 more song for you all ;D
little bit of red.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7los3eD7c
HEY YOU SAY YOU WANNA START OVER AGIN... like i ever wanted it ...to be any diffrent ....
stop pretending everythings alright ....
get out of bed your little sleeply heads your black and white needs a little bit of red ........ ;) shall i add some RED MARKER?
IST!
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568176.pdf
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568178.pdf
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568179.pdf
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568180.pdf
:) ;) ;D 8) :o :D
Quote from: wattsup on November 26, 2008, 07:42:13 PM
Maybe there is some hidden TPUs in the attic. lol
lol, I bet looking in the attic will take at least a week since the house is more a Castle!
I cannot imagine a single man living in that thing, to big :)
this can help?
"We do leave in sea of energy. Free energy. For if we would be able to construct a simple coil in which only one half would be sensitive to induction and other half noninductive, we could gain almost limitless quantities of electrical energy just from fact that we rotate and move in Earth's magnetic field.
Please do not confuse the rotation of magnetic poles around rotational axis of Earth. Earth's magnetic poles relation to any point on the globe does not change with the rotation of the planet. Position of poles rotate of course. But the magnetic field does not."
http://www.geocities.com/terella1/
i remember something what Durban was saying
about car hood
Maybe SM was able to arness the electricity from the Power Line just beside his house?
Or maybe this power line theory is just a feeble attempt at drawing attention to a preposterous idea perpetrated by those that are so frustrated with their lack of success with the TPU, that defaming and undermining the inventor and those that believe in it, is one little perceived victory to help cull their pains.
.99
I posted this before on another topic and got the response that all the guy developed was a way to harness power from electric lines.
This press release was all I ever heard about "The Duplicator" which harnesses the changing magnetic flux of the passing
current to generate additional current into an independent circuit. It all sounded much like a TPU. Anyone see where this invention ended up?
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS140822+04-Feb-2008+PRN20080204
Bill
Quote from: BEP on November 26, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
I find the thoughts in your post plausible except the above quote.
Near and Far field is still being debated. One thing is certain, not just by publications but my personal experience, Near and Far fields cannot use the same math below a certain frequency. Also, likely above a certain frequency.
Any boundary between near/far is surely a function of factors other than wavelength. In electronic warefare it is taught propagation of energy versus information changes dramatically below 300kHz.
In radiation measurements of power lines you can read a change as high as an order of magnitude with only a few meters difference.
Glory be if I could inductively couple to a 60 Hz line 5k away. I would be doing it now ;)
Thanks for your info BEP. I´ve still got alot to learn about RF and Induction, good to be on a site like this where there´s people who have working knowledge based on experience.
@BEP
How about capacitively coupling to the 60hz wave right on the other side of the meter. ;)
Quote from: poynt99 on November 27, 2008, 01:42:53 PM
Or maybe this power line theory is just a feeble attempt at drawing attention to a preposterous idea perpetrated by those that are so frustrated with their lack of success with the TPU, that defaming and undermining the inventor and those that believe in it, is one little perceived victory to help cull their pains.
.99
You may have something there 99
Wasn't the open TPU demonstrated in a totally different location some small office maybe Spherics lab.
Also he would have to have originally been experimenting under power lines to develop a receiving system in the first place and i bet he couldn't afford the luxury house at that time and therefore rules out the discovery being developed in the house the films were made.
I personally believe the answers we seek to the construction of the TPU lie in the missing video of the spinning compass, this video to my knowledge has not surfaced and i am sure there is good reason for this, it probably make the true operation a lot clearer what ever it shows, does anyone know anything about this video.
ITS ME AGAING WHIT MY " CAPS LOCK"
I READ I SEE YOU SAY THERE IS POWER LINES WIRE FOR ELKTRICS CLOUSE S,M>
HMMM IS SIMPLE GOING THERE AND MAKE BEFORE YOUr <<TPU>>
AND STOP THERE CLOUSE <,S.M> HOUSE AND TRAED THEN <<<DID WHILL START YOUR TPU
IF YOU DONT THEN TRAED TO FIND S.M THERE AND ASK HIM TO MAKE <<TPU>> ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Peterae on November 27, 2008, 05:37:49 PM
Wasn't the open TPU demonstrated in a totally different location some small office maybe Spherics lab.
Also he would have to have originally been experimenting under power lines to develop a receiving system in the first place and i bet he couldn't afford the luxury house at that time and therefore rules out the discovery being developed in the house the films were made.
I personally believe the answers we seek to the construction of the TPU lie in the missing video of the spinning compass, this video to my knowledge has not surfaced and i am sure there is good reason for this, it probably make the true operation a lot clearer what ever it shows, does anyone know anything about this video.
Unfortunately the spinning compass video was never released....
Hmm,maybe Lindsay Mannix can tell us more about it ?
Lindsay, did you ever get it or at least have you seen it yet ?
Many thanks.
Stephan,
I do not have that video, I would like to see it just like you.
I can say that that demonstrations were carried out many times at over 6 diffrernt locations including aircraft.
Aparently, the garage where the two stack unit was demonstrated was at his house at the time.
Perhaps this meltdown and change of sherrif government will allow other,less centralised energy systems to come into common use.
I thought this thread was about house hunting
Lindsay
I can say a lot about the politics of it, but leaving out the fact that there happens to be the largest power grid HV line in his back yard, just a few feet away, smells as incompetence or outright deceitfulness. You pick.
SM has said to us at one point that the energy can come from the power-lines, or maybe we should say the energy comes from the power lines, or something to that effect........ I just can't find the quote anymore.
I already calculated the amount of energy I can get from being close to the power lines, and it's huge!!!
more to come...
EM
P.S. Here's a chart showing the Power Line Harmonic RF energy in it's proximity. Notice all the horizontal lines equally spaced.
P.S. A table of capacitor values for the ones seen in the SM videos, notice the very low values for series resistance.
P.S. The theory of how it works, just rough calculations. Also notice the amount of current some of the capacitors can handle !!! Also, in the videos he brings a magnet over, that magnet will bias the ferrite and changes it's inductance so it tunes a bit better. These are high Q devices and so they can easily detune.
Power companies rectify long runs to get rid of selfinductance losses of the transmission lines. ??? The kicks from the diode transient dip when your talking megawatts can be quite disruptive to the field. I lived near some high tension lines once until one foggy night my electric meter was outlined in blue corona and the truck I was going to get in. Between that and the microwave towers on the same hill powering up remote phones with no batteries in them I got the hell out of there soon as the lease expired.
@EMdevices
As soon as you try to load a device the Q of the device will go down to a very low value and impedance matching won't help.
This is a very basic stuff.
Kames.
By the time you get up to 6kHz on your spectrogram (which is not shown, but probably very dark in color, meaning weak), there is very little "signal" to capture with the tuned loop antenna.
I spent so much time on this damn project and yes I'm mad. But one man's incompetence (SM) is no excuse for me, I should of checked this out first. The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones. But I doubt SM was just incompetent like Jack Durbin has said, he was outright devious.
EM
p.s. kames, the FTPU was demonstrated unloaded, but you right if loaded the Q will change, however there are tricks one can use. this is by far not fully figured out, as he seems to use the vertical wires around it as well, perhaps transmission line used as resonator, or some other exotic principle.
p.s. Rload gets transformed when the device is loaded, and as kames said the Q suffers, which implies that we need a high winding ratio to minimize the Q loading effect.
Also, he could be using one of the loops on the bottom or maybe another loop we can't see as being separate from the two stacks, to pick up the magnetic energy. this is the magnetic coupling way of doing it, instead of using the ferrite as the output transformer and the main inductance.
Quote from: EMdevices on November 27, 2008, 08:20:18 PM
go measure the RF around power-lines before you open your mouth.
I spent so much time on this damn project and yes I'm mad. But one man's incompetence (SM) is no excuse for me, I should of checked this out first. The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones. But I doubt SM was just incompetent like Jack Durbin has said, he was outright devious.
EM
p.s. kames, the FTPU was demonstrated unloaded, but you right if loaded the Q will change, however there are tricks one can use. this is by far not fully figured out, as he seems to use the vertical wires around it as well, perhaps transmission line used as resonator, or some other exotic principle.
p.s. Rload gets transformed when the device is loaded, and as kames said the Q suffers, which implies that we need a high winding ratio to minimize the Q loading effect.
Honestly, I don’t believe in such tricks. Here is from my own practical experience. A wire (it was a communication/signal cable tested on a single wire), about a mile long, almost under, under the 100K power line in the afternoon can give away about 500 watts.
Here is another one, also from a practical experience. A rail (railways) a 13 km long under a 3K electric line gives out about 100 watts.
Do you really want to spend your time on testing the power lines theory?
Kames.
Quote from: sparks on November 27, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
@BEP
How about capacitively coupling to the 60hz wave right on the other side of the meter. ;)
That could be done. I've done it but not right after the meter. A set of capacitor plates the size of the base for the large TPU would require an extremely thin dielectric between the plates. Say, the base of the TPU as one plate, the table top for the dielectric and the second and third plate (or more for the washboard effect) - I can imagine a couple of watts transferred but no more. My test worked quite well but there was nowhere near 800 watts passed through it.
Did you see the light brightness change when they moved the TPU? I didn't. It certainly would if that method was used.
I learned enough from that to not consider it as a way to fake the large TPU and certainly not the others.
I talked tonight with a friend that work on a power line company, he tell me we can power a TV under the HV line without any input, I did not ask how he was doing that, I will ask next week! (i was playing bowling, so I did not have time to talk to much about it! :))
Also he tell me it quite easy to charge up capacitor and use the current from it. I suppose it just a mater of using coil/diode and capacitor. Anyway you already know that!
@Bep
I know but maybe SM will get some adrenaline rolling and give us another tip on his "not a free energy device" Time and time again he stated that it will replace battery technology. Any chance this baby is consuming fuel? Betya some mass under that black tape aint what it was before it runs the light bulbs.
Quote from: TheOne on November 27, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
I talked tonight with a friend that work on a power line company, he tell me we can power a TV under the HV line without any input, I did not ask how he was doing that, I will ask next week! (i was playing bowling, so I did not have time to talk to much about it! :))
Also he tell me it quite easy to charge up capacitor and use the current from it. I suppose it just a mater of using coil/diode and capacitor. Anyway you already know that!
well they at least should know how to fill a cap by NOW from HEMF......
and if they cant i really dont know what the hell to say ...lol :)
and if they do not know by now this engery does not come from the source of power to activite the ring i dont know what to say
I CAN NOT SPELL IT OUT ANY SIMPLER ... LOL
sorry i have done my best some choose to be where they are .... :)
my days of guessing are LONG PAST..... ;)
ist!
What it all boils down to is 'could it have been faked?'
The answer is 'sure!'. I think there has been enough chatter on this forum about how it could be done. Some great detective work and imagination has popped up on this forum just to understand how it could be done.
Khabe is completely correct about the net radiation on a polyphase line. Unless the loading of that line is very unbalanced (phase to phase and phases to neutral) there will not be much radiation of energy unless you are so close you are too close for safety. You should find there is more than one reason why the phases are side-by-side and not one above the other.
Even considering possible issues with ground fault currents, unbalanced loads, inverter firing pulses from the DC-AC stations(heavily filtered) this idea isn't flying for me right now.
Do I believe it was faked?
No.
I really hope its was not faked!
It just that SM house is near to power line that all :)
We need to know the location where he made his other video, is the other location was also near to other power line? That the question. I hope its not.
PS:
I NEVER HAD TO BUILD IT TO UNDERSTAND IT ..... NOR DID I NEED MY O- SCOPE... OR MY FREQ GENNIES ....
i have walked a path layed out by the best ever .....
you all will do the same .... i know this ... from there you will advance... :)
:)
peace
i got work to do ... im in the middle of a wire jungle right now..... lol
but progress abounds... ;)
ist!
btw i will take a pic of a new unit i have made my own ... ;D 1 coil bifillar... tuned idential .. wires ... so it will resonantly coupple at a desired freq.. 1 fet 2 caps 1 diode ... closed loop .... 8) input side ...
naw i never ran it yet ... i dont need to :D
lol!
@EM
Good 6 loops like ftpu makes 3-3 or 3 bottom, 3 top.
Also in the LTPU ring there is again 6 white wire loops but 2-2-2. 2 bottom, 2 middle, 2 top.
But the other side of toroid as output. Hmmmmm. I don't know.
Maybe on the output side in series with another cap then through the outer coil windings to make the second or a dual resonant circuit. Then for the output take the negative from the loop side and the positive from the outer windings side. Hmmmmm.
lol
here is another brain fart lol
;D
take 3 pancake coils..... stack them .... power bottom coil draw from top coil and work out a feed back from the center i think you may want to porpously tune off the center coil.. from the carrier freq ;) the furnice may burn up!!!! lol
hummm
take my thoughts for what they are not how they are delivered .... you all remember im just a dumb construction worker :) and that is the true .... i have only compleated .5 of grade 10 schooling so ya hence my poor english comumation skills but it dont mean shit any ways ;)
im just happy i was able to have helped to teach .... and with out the others that brought me into this light this would not be as it now is
its ALL ABOUT LEARNING .... :)
HISTEAM!! 8)
G'day,
Those who are thinking this is a scam are very naive.
It is finally time to tell the real story.
I will try to make this as short as possible so it will be better for you to understand.
Quote
"Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?"
"Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!"
In a vacuum tube there exists what is called the electron cloud.
Once escaped, the electrons in this cloud are free to move, if they are in an uncharged area.
It means they are free to move without anything holding them back, without resistance.
Steven Mark is using this principle in his TPU.
When a quick high voltage pulse is applied to a coil, there will be electrons ejected out of the wire.
Steven Mark has taken advantage of this exact moment to speed up the electrons to C lightspeed and this does not require much energy since the electrons are not in the metal anymore, they do not see any resistance.
Quote
"How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?"
"Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!"
"The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion."
Here Steven Mark means When the High voltage pulse stops the electrons hit the nearest metal around.
Because they are now traveling close to C light speed they will have a great impact on the metal they hit.
This impact is the kick.
It is literally electrons hitting the metal while moving close to light speed, and the resistance of the metal converts the high speed movement back into electricity, with gain, and Steven Mark makes it go round and round.
That's all there is to it.
Take care.
"In a vacuum tube there exists what is called the electron cloud."
Agree on this statement.
"Steven Mark is using this principle in his TPU."
Haven't figure out how he did it - practically.
But some food for thought, how to harness/combine/mix the high voltage low current coil and low voltage high current coil in a device? Obviously, the vacuum tube (rectifier) have done it. Eventhough it intend to get the DC high voltage with low current, but WHY can we "twick" the process to get high in both the voltage and current?
I think we are so closed but yet so far.
Imagine, if we have a battery; let says 12v 2A and put through a "device" (i.e transformer) which could do 2 things in the same time -> step up and step down. And let says the output for the step up is 240V or 110V with 100mA and let says the output for step down is 5V with 3A.
And some how, we could manage to combine/mix/interpole/superimpose (choose any term that you like) those output. The voltage of 240V or 110V with the 3A at the final stage. (Please read back all those long thread, I think SM did mentioned about this).
I just want to say that, forget about the OU (at the moment) at least try to concentrate on getting the above condition first. From there we could talk about feedback and so on.
Meet the condition and progress will be made.
double post
i beleave how sm ends up with higher voltage amprage is like this ...
1 way to do it any ways...
dc feed say 12v.. feed that through a wire thick car audio power wire many strands.... have a control winding over it as ottos test... make the control a few ways ... lol bifillar .. tuned ... trifiller ??? lol
many ways from that point the control will imppose the spikes from the coils..... into the 12vdc and make it apear to be 130vdc really what ever you desire with in the limits of the wire ... and the coils kicks ...
some one explain this i can but really so can the rest of you !!!!!
litterly there tonnes of ways ....
choose your own path ...
this is why i have 125 diffrent coils.... 8)
ist!
@EM,
Thanks for the information, i have been thinking, why many " OU " devices resonance frequency is very low and is usually around 5 KHz. Perhaps we are tapping the energy emitted from HV lines, that includes the data transfer frequency, that has a base frequency at 4 KHz and manytimes of this frequeny up to 35 Khz are used for automated meter reading and for remote control systems.Since 1930 a low frequency communication system is used in HV power lines. The radiation field from this kind of data tranfer frequensies can be quite strong, especially when inteference occurs. The power level in the HV data transfer devices can be high, because it does not disturb radio fequensies.
I think that TPU was using the emitted power from HV power lines data transfer.
It is not a free energy, but is a use of a electromagnetic waste..anyway it is not "yours" energy..
Esa
If we take a torroidal high frequency transformer and a capacitor and discharge it quick as a bunny you can go from 9 volts in the capacitor to 30,000 volts real easy. Now take that voltage and use the torroidal wrapped outer windings on one end of the transformer secondary and put the other end to the tesla pancake coils everybody is calling collectors. Don't put the kicks on the end of the control winding put them so the windings act like capacitor plates. Now what happens is that the voltage spike starts at one end of the anode outer winding and progresses at the speed of light along the skin of the torroid and at the same time is progressing outwardly in the collector winding along its skin. This has got to make for a weird event as the capacitor you are charging is not your everyday common electrolytic. Now how many times around the torroid will this pressure wave go before the capacitor is fully charged? How many ions will need to migrate away from the outer torroid and electrons migrate towards the anode before the mfd rating of this capacitor is maxed out?
so i hooked my bifillar resonant couppled coil up to my scope just for fun fired it sine waves and well i found the coils resosance lol and to my surprize supper spike sine lol 8)
i will post the pic this is perfect sine fed to my coil from my tube freq genny ...
ist!
:)
there is no connection from the freq genny to the scope THE CONNECTION IS MADE IN THE COIL the pic is of the out put side of my polorized coil
i better do 1 more pic showing the inputted sine wave... and the out put wave... lol
Quote from: Gustav22 on November 28, 2008, 11:33:16 AM
G'day,
Those who are thinking this is a scam are very naive.
It is finally time to tell the real story.
I will try to make this as short as possible so it will be better for you to understand.
In a vacuum tube there exists what is called the electron cloud.
Once escaped, the electrons in this cloud are free to move, if they are in an uncharged area.
It means they are free to move without anything holding them back, without resistance.
Steven Mark is using this principle in his TPU.
When a quick high voltage pulse is applied to a coil, there will be electrons ejected out of the wire.
Steven Mark has taken advantage of this exact moment to speed up the electrons to C lightspeed and this does not require much energy since the electrons are not in the metal anymore, they do not see any resistance.
Here Steven Mark means When the High voltage pulse stops the electrons hit the nearest metal around.
Because they are now traveling close to C light speed they will have a great impact on the metal they hit.
This impact is the kick.
It is literally electrons hitting the metal while moving close to light speed, and the resistance of the metal converts the high speed movement back into electricity, with gain, and Steven Mark makes it go round and round.
That's all there is to it.
Take care.
Exactly.
This is the basic principle of the TPU, very less people know this.
A.
Mh-mhh, vacuum ... but how you planned to have vacuum inside of this tape wound all Greek to ???
Have you tryied, have you built at least on working device ???
Or you just thinking about ::)
Are you familiar with Steve Mark, you are speaking you know how he made it :o
Myself I don know.
Even dont know to believe it anymore or not :-\
cheers,
khabe
Quote from: Antimon on November 28, 2008, 07:02:48 PM
Exactly.
This is the basic principle of the TPU, very less people know this.
A.
Something that most do not keep in mind, is that SM's writings can be interpreted in many ways and made to fit into many different theories, all of which remain theories until proven otherwise.
In summary, we can't make blanket statements like: "this is how it's done", or even "this is the basic principle" unless we actually have access to a device operating that way and have PROVEN that it is OU.
.99
Quote from: innovation_station on November 28, 2008, 05:35:25 PM
so i hooked my bifillar resonant couppled coil up to my scope just for fun fired it sine waves and well i found the coils resosance lol and to my surprize supper spike sine lol 8)
i will post the pic this is perfect sine fed to my coil from my tube freq genny ...
ist!
:)
there is no connection from the freq genny to the scope THE CONNECTION IS MADE IN THE COIL the pic is of the out put side of my polorized coil
i better do 1 more pic showing the inputted sine wave... and the out put wave... lol
Under an active load?
Kames.
no load....
this is where you go wrong.... errrr
im going to post somthing i am currently going to test....
build it test it PROVE ME WRONG
8)
this may cause EMP'S...... test low voltage only !!!
i do not know the results of slamming the coil this fast.....
btw my scope shot is only to show the connection at RESOSANCE made in my coil input side to out put side ... with the input we ringgggg the output duh!!!! and we collect the input side coil hemf backfire to the next cap.... ;) fire it to the next coil ..... the output only becomes active at harmonics and close to the fundemental freq of the tuned coil ...
if sm's tpu is as stated above ..... then i guess you all just got a better toy .... :)
ist
gonna get a pic 4 all of you ... coil and curcuit
as i said.... i have made this my own.....
ist!
Quote from: poynt99 on November 28, 2008, 08:20:11 PM
Something that most do not keep in mind, is that SM's writings can be interpreted in many ways and made to fit into many different theories, all of which remain theories until proven otherwise.
In summary, we can't make blanket statements like: "this is how it's done", or even "this is the basic principle" unless we actually have access to a device operating that way and have PROVEN that it is OU.
.99
Why do you know that we haven't proven it yet? ;)
A.
i used the irf840 mosfet as my GATE KEEPER ;)
ist...
if you were to use this in a 3 coil setup then i would take the output coils.... and run the output through the center of the electro magnets as per ottos test and accelerate the returned engery not the inputted hot engery
i love this part i must say it AGIN ..... let a single charge of cap 1 be first considered..... ;) :D
i was thinking of building a 3 coil unit but all i have right now... is single coils.... none the less ill whip 1 up ;)
i need 1 anyways.......
hmmm stevien says begin in your journey with tubes
okey
mmh one day i was watching TV and my old lamp start go like hell on/off
like pulse hmm and my tv goes mad
hmm
Little bit tighten then it was normal again
bye
some link
http://livedesignonline.com/mag/lighting_silence_lamps_new/index.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/709498.html
PS if someone makes tpu make little one because big ones makes big EMI/RFI and THEY will find out and look what happen our stevien boy ;D
Quote from: Antimon on November 29, 2008, 05:14:55 AM
Why do you know that we haven't proven it yet? ;)
A.
I
don't know, but I have to
assume that you have not yet proven it because to the best of my knowledge, you have not posted any proof.
So I think the answer to that question is quite obvious isn't it?
The post as written appears to be a theory and not a claim. If it is a theory, then my response stands as is. If it is a claim, then it is at present, an unsubstantiated one. Without presented proof, in the eyes of the reader it is still only a theory.
.99
i posted this info in hopes of solveing that problem....
i have not ran this other than my freq genny...... to test resosance of the coil .... i need a specturm anyilizer b4 i will run it full out so i know what is flying off the coil...... 8)
but there must be a simple solution for the interferience....
and the possobile emp problem ...
so i built you somthing ... and now we need to make it safe....
anyone want to help or will i do this myself aswell....... :(
ist!
Quote from: innovation_station on November 29, 2008, 10:26:37 AM
i posted this info in hopes of solveing that problem....
i have not ran this other than my freq genny...... to test resosance of the coil .... i need a specturm anyilizer b4 i will run it full out so i know what is flying off the coil...... 8)
but there must be a simple solution for the interferience....
and the possobile emp problem ...
so i built you somthing ... and now we need to make it safe....
anyone want to help or will i do this myself aswell....... :(
ist!
don't blow up ourself ;D
starting to think the sine waves may solve the emp problem as it is much more smooth... and what if we used square pluses of sine ;)
ist
@Inno
If you build a second tank circuit tuned just like the first but tune it so that you introduce a little more resistance to this one I'd use a little light bulb or something in your calculations. The second tank will resonate and you can damp this one without upsetting the primary tank. You can put any number of these receivers around the primary resonant tank and they will all start ringing away. GK calls it a room full of tuning forks. :)
ok so lets ringggg many bells at once sparks....
i have speeker wire .... lots of it i have no more magnet wire at the present time ...
lets hear thoughts on bifillar speeker wire i have heavy and light gages...
i will wind more coils identical lengths anyone got a prefered length?
ist?
i have many empty spools...
8)
Ok, the cats out of the bag so I can comment on this. Em showed the tank coil setup.
I have been playing around with this for a while now and see everything SM talked about
right there in front of all of us. The small torrids are the oscilators and the tanks are the
coils wound around the form.
I just finished a coil/cap pair that when "ramped up" went from 120ma down to 14ua at
12v. The tank had a 375ma oscilation in it. That makes a Q of ??? :o
This makes me feel the TPU is right out of the Radio Manual of yester year. I just have
to set up a spread sheet complete with formula to calculate the final outputs for many
different coil/cap setups to achieve the desired output range. Using lamp cord and high
value caps will be right in the ballpark figures as well.
thaelin
Keep rocking EM, time is near.
@Thaelin
can you please describe it a little better,
what you have done exactly ?
I don´t understand it.
A quick handdrawn schematic would help.
Many thanks.
sounds like you did it bro 8)
awsome !!
anyone else gonna come forward ??
NOW IS THE TIME! :)
ist!
sure i got more lol ;)
hey check it out lol ;D ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xnh5Nd4DzM
ist
great job bro 8)
SH!T IS THAT A TPU BLUE PRINT IN THERE .... HUMMM IS THAT RODINS COIL ..... HUMMMM
lol
are we awake yet? :)
@ Stephan:
Tried to upload a pic but was too big. I snagged the page out of the manual
and will put it in the upload area. It is called ParallelTank.jpg
thaelin
:-\ So much for that.
I'm gone.
Quote from: Chef on November 30, 2008, 08:21:57 AM
"Q virus" spreading on forum. Thinking can stop it! :)
Quote from: Chef on November 30, 2008, 08:45:03 AM
Sorry, it was no offence, really! Just really bad to see, many people thinking things in wrong way, and post it again and again..
As I understood from your post, you think you can achieve a desired output with simple tank resonant circuits. Try now plan an output system,match any load, do the calculations again, and tell us what do you think after that!
just like that eh!!
i can explaine my entire unit that works ......... :o and you wont build it cuz is could kill you !!!!!
i post the same shit agin and agin as it is TRUE!! :)
YES THEASE UNITS CAN DO THIS IF BUILT WRONG...... SO BE WIZE for the 10 thousandth time.....
just look at the return of 1 damn pulse lol.... ;D now imagine in resosance..... duh ..... i touch 1 pulse and it hurts ... touch 1000 it really hurts... i have done this
start simple .... this motto has served me well... :)
get a Friggin mot ALREADY.... if you want to know what i have learned start with a mot....
ist
watch this video .... make your mot do the same mesure the used power and then mesure the returned power .... lol
this aint rocket sicence....
you can use your own body to test out and FEEL THE TRUTH.... 8) ;D ;)
here is the vid ....
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aSmMFog10D0
WARNING THIS WILL HURT A WEE BIT BUT WILL NOT KILL YOU ..... ok this is safe i have done this many times .... 8)
use 12vdc car battery whatever ... when configured proper this will cosume NO POWER.... AND RETURN LOTS ;D
ist!
Quote from: Thaelin on November 29, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
Ok, the cats out of the bag so I can comment on this. Em showed the tank coil setup.
I have been playing around with this for a while now and see everything SM talked about
right there in front of all of us. The small torrids are the oscilators and the tanks are the
coils wound around the form.
I just finished a coil/cap pair that when "ramped up" went from 120ma down to 14ua at
12v. The tank had a 375ma oscilation in it. That makes a Q of ??? :o
This makes me feel the TPU is right out of the Radio Manual of yester year. I just have
to set up a spread sheet complete with formula to calculate the final outputs for many
different coil/cap setups to achieve the desired output range. Using lamp cord and high
value caps will be right in the ballpark figures as well.
thaelin
Keep rocking EM, time is near.
@Thaelin
I'm glad to see anti-resonance being considered. Whith the circulating tank current it would be great to couple to such without the expected losses.
While you consider this method please also consider 90 degree coupling. Yes, this will be the signal for the PC heroes to jump in but blow them off.
I've not found proper math for such coupling as it is not considered possible to transfer energy. This is incorrect.
There is coupling but extremely short pulses. I also find them generating 'induced' current of one polarity. It would take many wires to generate useful energy. If you try it try winding two conductor cable around a single conductor. Connect the bifilar coil as series opposing and watch the output of the 'core' conductor.
I am very interested in your findings and any math you find that works.
Thanks,
BEP
@Thaelin
Sometimes you have to follow your gut feeling with these things, dont forget if modern theory had the answers we wouldnt need to plug into the grid.
Here's some information about winding better coils for Q
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/COIL/COIL.html
Good luck with your experiments.
Peter
@EM
I have been doing some tests with my current FTPU build using regular lamp wire loop and a 16 awg insulated wire for the coils. There is a coupling that can occur between the rings and the coils but is it very very weak. I then took another closer look at the FTPU video and I think the loop wire may be lamp wire but not the lamp cord wire that is used to be plugged in the wall but lamp cord wire that is used inside the lamp itself. That wire has a harder exterior but it is much thinner insulation then the regular lamp wire that is much more thicker and thus I think this is holding back a better coupling effect. Also for the loop, I see the way it curves around with jagged angles I would not be surprised if the loop was a 200-400 strand litz wire about 1/8" diameter.
Also, the rings coil wire is very very thin. The idea of these wire choices is to minimize the plastic insulation so the wires are coupled as close together as possible.
Hopefully in a few days I'll make a wiring diagram of how the wires are really connected to the digital meter and work out some more of the wiring.
But here is another observation.
There are two center toroid halves, there are two outer coils, there are two outer rings. The question is coupling. The toroid halves is not coupled but to themselves via the toroid core. The rings and outer coils are coupled. The thin outer coil wire tells me this is the primary since there is not enough turns to act as a suitable secondary.
So let's look at the toroid. When a toroid coil is energized, the flux in the core increases. When the coil is opened, the flux returns to the coils. Lately I did some tests using Tesla ozone patent as a hook-up guide and this gave me the best coupling with the present build. I think that with better less insulated wires on the rings and coils, this coupling will increase dramatically. There should be a way to use the ozone patent in the FTPU. Just has to be determined the coil of high induction, the primary, the secondary and the point of short circuit from the feed supply. Don't forget that the Ozone patent works in one direction, then in the other direction so this can be used one one coil, then the other. A transistor could switch between them. One on/off creates two movements.
here is some data from a brochure from an electric utility:
magnetic field from electric distribution lines:
1 to 80 milligauss under the line
magnetic field from transmission lines (the very large ones like those near the house in question):
1 to 300 milligauss at the edge of the right of way
(Maximum values are set by State or other regulations)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These seem a little too weak to support the hypothesis that the TPU gets energy from power lines.
I have uploaded two documents that go into some detail about the center toroid coils.
Magnetic Amplifiers U.S. Navy 1951:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item204 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item204)
You will need DjVu Viewer to open the document inside the zip file.
Magnetic Amplifiers Principles and Applications1960:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item205 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item205)
The document that Thaelin has been referring to is a very good reference.
The Radio Handbook - Fifteenth Addition
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phonecotech.com%2FOverU%2FHanbook-Exerpt.gif&hash=fd0b7a31b8601a9dfa18e10306807d9a0206563c)
Thank you Thaelin for bringing it to our attention.
Take care.
nap
I am also referencing the 1959 USAF fundamentals manual # 101-8 which gives
much the same thing. The difference here is you get to see the unique calculator
they used then to show end values. And how to use it as well. Good ref.
Given the printed reference to Q, now what do you think would happen if you had
a Q of say 500 and "then" loaded it back down to 100. My estimate says you will
have what ever the input voltage is at (input amps * Q) output amps. Of course that
is still in the works to see. But has merit so far. Now sample a bit of that back to the
source and let it ramp up. That shows the need for shutoff valves.
thaelin
So did anybody already went to the house and rang at the door ?
What did the new owner of the house say ?
Did he stillknow Steven Mark ?
Did he know, where he moved to ?
Or did somebody reach him via phone ?
Please let us know.
Many thanks.
Okay, I have been reading this thread and I am curious if this house in question is the house in Lemon Heights, CA? If the pictures of the house (from beginning of thread) is considered the house in Lemon Heights, then we are way off track, as this is not SM house in Lemon Heights from the 90's from what I remember. Just an FYI...
Quote from: ktollefsrud on December 09, 2008, 04:22:37 AM
Okay, I have been reading this thread and I am curious if this house in question is the house in Lemon Heights, CA? If the pictures of the house (from beginning of thread) is considered the house in Lemon Heights, then we are way off track, as this is not SM house in Lemon Heights from the 90's from what I remember. Just an FYI...
No it was:
7435 E Hummingbird Cir Anaheim, CA 92808
as told here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6168.msg140372#msg140372
At least there the UEC video was made.
So did anybody yet ring at the door of the new owner ?
What did he say ?
Hello all,
Why this thread?
Why have you maybe located his house or at least maybe the house where the videos are made?
What do you want from SM??
MAYBE A TPU??? Or some secrets??
Dont you all understand that he DONT want any contacts?? and dont you understand that we have to earn the TPU??
How??
Maybe somebody know something about the word W O R K!!!!
Otto
Why not?
We even do not know does he exist in reality Mr.Steve Mark. We dont know exact who was these commissioners - eyewitnesses in the rooms where experiments was done.
All these letters from "fellow workers" as well as from "Steve Mark" himself ... All these "flashbacks" from "professors" ...
But wheres at least one even bit to close to like official report about? Nothing in newspapers, nothing in scientific periodicals ???
Is it possible that known experts did just look this TPU and ... oh yeah, it works ... and nothing more.
Perhaps it was just theater with contributing spectators .. perhaps was done as joke for someone???
Later these published correspondences ... wheres at least by my opinion there was more than one person signed these letters as Steve Mark.
First seriously warning "dot" for me arrived when did read published "letter" wheres S.M. told about two men in dark coats visited him and gave order to keep his mose closed ...
Oh dear ::)
...
regards,
khabe
A tpu in hand is worth none on the hill.
--giantkiller.
I would guess that anyone who went to that house and rang the bell
and started asking a lot of questions would net a visit by the police.
Considering the worth of the house and its location, that type of person
does tend to like their privacy. I would not even want to go there and
just be looking around.
thaelin
Quote from: otto on December 09, 2008, 07:11:12 AM
Hello all,
Why this thread?
Why have you maybe located his house or at least maybe the house where the videos are made?
What do you want from SM??
MAYBE A TPU??? Or some secrets??
Don't you all understand that he DONT want any contacts?? and don't you understand that we have to earn the TPU??
How??
Maybe somebody know something about the word W O R K!!!!
Otto
I believe it may have to do with the reclusivness of SM. It may be true, SM does not want any contact---but I think there will always be someone wondering where the reclusive is at. But the celebrity of SM is still there.
If anyone knew SM, he was quite reclusive--and I believe that was from the MM and JD days, when he felt that even his friends were not his friends- under the circumstances. Any human being who can not even trust his friends (or whom you think are your friends) you have this innate ability to just disappear- fade out of the picture. I believe that Otto is correct in that SM probably does not want to be found, he decided to change a differant path. I know SM to be a very wonderful person, caring almost to a fault and VERY intelligent. We can all surmise that with those qualities- he had people that would take advantage of his good nature, which was proven by MM and JD. And in my opinion, JD is now using the fact that SM decided to fade out of the picture to his own advantage. Thus he says awful things about SM, to further his own agenda. This is strictly my own opinion, mind you.
If you had the goose that laid the golden egg you'ld be in the crosshairs of every Tom, Dick , and Harry. There are no friends there.
How do you keep your mouth shut? How do you live knowing that you just made the worst enemy on the planet? Yourself. It sucks...
--giantkiller.
@GK
How??????????????
You go open source and continue living as a free man, admired and cherished by all instead of living like a hermit.
Quote from: wattsup on December 10, 2008, 02:29:19 PM
@GK
How??????????????
You go open source and continue living as a free man, admired and cherished by all instead of living like a hermit.
It should have happened already. Stanely Meyer stepped out even with a huge following. Naudin, Dollard, Hutchison know. Just thinking realistically and wondering aloud. Ning Li knew if she mentioned 'Antigravity' she would be laughed out of corporate.
--giantkiller.
I found the excerpt from the SM text, where he mentions the power lines.... notice he doesn't deny it, but "runs" with the thought of marketing that technology. The issue here is not FAKE vs NOT FAKE, the device is real and works, but the catch is, it works next to the power lines, since they act as antennas and capture VLF waves, plus there are power line harmonics on there as well, so it's a rich RF environment to tap into.
About the person who came by asking you about the device and was wondering if perhaps I was only tuning into overhead power lines.
I hope you told him that, If I was only tuning into overhead power lines, that trick alone is worth about a Billion dollars!
Imagine the possibilities for that technology alone? Gosh, cars, trains, portable computers.
Hey! Perhaps we have touched on something here!!! Why don't we tell everyone that you finally found out what my trick is, that I only found a way to tap into overhead power lines. Then everyone would believe and we could market the technology as such and make billions of dollars and everyone would be happy because they will all think that they were correct about my technology being a fake. Of course they may start to wonder about the fact that no one ever gets a power bill... But that will come up much latter on when it doesn't matter.
That excerpt sounds pretty tongue-in-cheek to me. I don't think he is being serious nor hinting at anything, in fact he sounds annoyed that anyone would postulate such an idea.
The excerpt exudes a tone of great cynicism.
.99
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2008, 10:16:19 PM
I found the excerpt from the SM text, where he mentions the power lines.... notice he doesn't deny it, but "runs" with the thought of marketing that technology. The issue here is not FAKE vs NOT FAKE, the device is real and works, but the catch is, it works next to the power lines, since they act as antennas and capture VLF waves, plus there are power line harmonics on there as well, so it's a rich RF environment to tap into.
About the person who came by asking you about the device and was wondering if perhaps I was only tuning into overhead power lines.
I hope you told him that, If I was only tuning into overhead power lines, that trick alone is worth about a Billion dollars!
Imagine the possibilities for that technology alone? Gosh, cars, trains, portable computers.
Hey! Perhaps we have touched on something here!!! Why don't we tell everyone that you finally found out what my trick is, that I only found a way to tap into overhead power lines. Then everyone would believe and we could market the technology as such and make billions of dollars and everyone would be happy because they will all think that they were correct about my technology being a fake. Of course they may start to wonder about the fact that no one ever gets a power bill... But that will come up much latter on when it doesn't matter.
ok guys it is a fake and it only taps over head power lines.... great lets market it lol......
:D
i wouldnt mind employing a few people .... ;)
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2008, 10:16:19 PM
I found the excerpt from the SM text, where he mentions the power lines.... notice he doesn't deny it, but "runs" with the thought of marketing that technology. The issue here is not FAKE vs NOT FAKE, the device is real and works, but the catch is, it works next to the power lines, since they act as antennas and capture VLF waves, plus there are power line harmonics on there as well, so it's a rich RF environment to tap into.
About the person who came by asking you about the device and was wondering if perhaps I was only tuning into overhead power lines.
I hope you told him that, If I was only tuning into overhead power lines, that trick alone is worth about a Billion dollars!
Imagine the possibilities for that technology alone? Gosh, cars, trains, portable computers.
Hey! Perhaps we have touched on something here!!! Why don't we tell everyone that you finally found out what my trick is, that I only found a way to tap into overhead power lines. Then everyone would believe and we could market the technology as such and make billions of dollars and everyone would be happy because they will all think that they were correct about my technology being a fake. Of course they may start to wonder about the fact that no one ever gets a power bill... But that will come up much latter on when it doesn't matter.
Ha! Ha! That definitely is Steven being cynical about the person who drew that original conclusion. I can almost see him with that cynical smile and that laugh in regards to this idea. Waving his hand to motion flicking the idea out of the air, like he was through with the silly notion. He is surely making light of the idea.
The mention of vlf terminating on conductors is interesting. The shumann cavity resonance is about 7.3hz. Funny thing about the woodpecker frequency is that it coinsides with the speed of light about the circumference of the Earth. Release a photon packet and that photon packet is back on your antennae in one 7th of a second or there abouts depending on the coax parameters. :D Just about that time you muster up another photon packet and add it to the first. Soon you got this massive amount of photon energy in the field of your transmitter.
Quote from: sparks on December 11, 2008, 08:45:21 AM
The mention of vlf terminating on conductors is interesting. The shumann cavity resonance is about 7.3hz. Funny thing about the woodpecker frequency is that it coinsides with the speed of light about the circumference of the Earth. Release a photon packet and that photon packet is back on your antennae in one 7th of a second or there abouts depending on the coax parameters. :D Just about that time you muster up another photon packet and add it to the first. Soon you got this massive amount of photon energy in the field of your transmitter.
Way to go sparks!
Sometimes the most infitisimally small key piece can complete the puzzle.
Traveling wave resonator. Most assuredly fits in with the thump, thump, thump. Just tap the swing.
--giantkiller.
Has anyone bothered to calculate the supposed power line losses if 1kW could be tapped at a distance of 100 feet and this can be done radially and along the lines full length?
It would be like an oil pipeline full of holes, still expecting some oil to be delivered to the far end of the line.
Surely the radiated power lost by the utilities would be enormous. Common sense says this is not reasonable, the utilities would be in deep red ink or your energy costs would be unbearable.
As a matter of fact, transportation efficiencies are rather high at 92.8%. Most of the losses are in joule heating of the lines and distribution transformers, not radiation
http://www.bsharp.org/physics/stuff/xmission.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/pubs_html/feat_trans_capacity/w_sale.html
@Heydude
SM is NOT tapping into 60 Hz or 120 Hz or 180 Hz harmonics or any other low harmonic, etc, but into higher RF frequencies or even power-line harmonics in the kHz range, that's right, into the 1000's of Hz (these harmonics occur due to non-linearities in equipment hooked to the grid, e.g., motors, AC units, transformers, etc.. etc..)
So, the RF power tapped by the TPU does not necessarily come from the power companies, this energy is simply coupled to the power lines from the air and conducted by them, or simply re-radiated, and we are intercepting it with our device (TPU.) The long power lines simply act as excellent "antennas" or coupling loops for all sorts of electromagnetic frequencies where the wavelength is just right. The frequencies that happened to have the correct wavelength (1/4 wavelength, 1/2, 3/4, etc..) will resonate the lines and the fields can be amplified considerably.
Think of the power-lines simply as a conduit for multiple purposes, the primary one obviously being power distribution at 60 Hz, (or maybe HV DC, etc..) but the secondary UNINTENDED and consequential purpose being a great VLF aerial antenna that stretches for miles.
SM in the videos mentions frequencies in the kHz (like 5 kHz, 6 kHz, etc..) , so I hope nobody thinks we are arguing SM taps 60 Hz energy from the power lines, because he is NOT.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on December 11, 2008, 11:44:09 PM
@Heydude
SM is NOT tapping into 60 Hz or 120 Hz or 180 Hz harmonics or any other low harmonic, etc, but into higher RF frequencies or even power-line harmonics in the kHz range, that's right, into the 1000's of Hz (these harmonics occur due to non-linearities in equipment hooked to the grid, e.g., motors, AC units, transformers, etc.. etc..)
So, the RF power tapped by the TPU does not necessarily come from the power companies, this energy is simply coupled to the power lines from the air and conducted by them, or simply re-radiated, and we are intercepting it with our device (TPU.) The long power lines simply act as excellent "antennas" or coupling loops for all sorts of electromagnetic frequencies where the wavelength is just right. The frequencies that happened to have the correct wavelength (1/4 wavelength, 1/2, 3/4, etc..) will resonate the lines and the fields can be amplified considerably.
Think of the power-lines simply as a conduit for multiple purposes, the primary one obviously being power distribution at 60 Hz, (or maybe HV DC, etc..) but the secondary UNINTENDED and consequential purpose being a great VLF aerial antenna that stretches for miles.
SM in the videos mentions frequencies in the kHz (like 5 kHz, 6 kHz, etc..) , so I hope nobody thinks we are arguing SM taps 60 Hz energy from the power lines, because he is NOT.
EM
Sorry for that man, but when you have a little knowledge in electrotechnics then stop this theory. You are on the wrong way, its impossible to extract that power levels from the transmission lines, doesn't matter how high the frequency is.
Btw. SM said the biggest one was a 10kW unit, then they stopped building because they thought they met the goal.
A.
Quote from: Antimon on December 12, 2008, 06:29:25 AM[...] when you have a little knowledge in electrotechnics then stop [...]
And if "you" have more than "a little", please go on... ;D
Quote from: Antimon on December 12, 2008, 06:29:25 AM
Sorry for that man, but when you have a little knowledge in electrotechnics then stop this theory. You are on the wrong way, its impossible to extract that power levels from the transmission lines, doesn't matter how high the frequency is.
Btw. SM said the biggest one was a 10kW unit, then they stopped building because they thought they met the goal.
A.
probably it is more related to that effect:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/solar_shield.html
http://www.hsb.com/thelocomotive/Story/FullStory/ST-FS-SOLAR.html
and:
http://www.rexresearch.com/brown2/brown2.htm#77
or:
http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/CD3WD/APPRTECH/PA03NE/EN/B1167_6.HTM
?????
Quote from: Trino Cularoid on December 12, 2008, 07:14:01 AM
And if "you" have more than "a little", please go on... ;D
Sometimes 'more than a little' is too much ;)
Ok. The concept of making use of local unintentional antennas (power lines?) is not new to me or many.
Provided the TPU is some form of coupling mechanism what still matters most is cancellation. No, not cancelling BEMF (I hate that term) or some aspect of something local to the TPU but cancellation of waves.
The idea may be new to some but in order to collect energy from a wave you must cancel it. There is enough evidence useful waves are there. I'm not talking about line frequency or even harmonics of them.
This works BECAUSE energy conservation is a must. I believe this is why (powered) active antennas and regenerating receivers do what they do. No arguments about active antennas, please. I'm not talking about the bastardized version that uses an amplifier. I'm talking about methods used to create extraordinarily low resonance AND high Q in a small tuned device. This causes heat problems in the antenna or tank because the injection is high current/low voltage (re: tickler coil in a regen rcvr).
The unfortunate term is 'energy sucking antenna'. As far as radio goes they work. Any time you can use a 1 ft. diameter loop to couple to a 90 ft. diameter loop - something is going on!
These arguments are repeats of earlier ones I've posted. They are no less valid now.
If you look up "minimal distance from power lines" you will notice that in the USA there are no set national standard for building a home at a certain distance from HV power lines. This distance varies. If I remember, in Quebec it is 1000 feet.
Look at this guys problem located here;
http://www.masscops.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-22140.html
Excerpt......
"A North Attleboro man faces financial ruin because he built a new home so close to dangerous high-voltage transmission lines that fluorescent bulbs inside the house light up without even being plugged in."
If you have ever driven a steel framed bicycle near such lines, you will know the power involved.
If the TPU's average frequency was 6000 hertz, that's 6000 iterations per second or 6000 on/offs.
Someone with better EE calculation skills should work out a chart with all the tpu models, frequency and power draw per iteration. Let's say the FTPU is at 6khz and was producing 60 volts. That's (in my simplistic EE view) 0.01 volts per iteration. So if the coil structure of the tpu can draw 0.01 volts and you repeat this draw, store, draw, store 6000 times per second, every second you will have 60 volts.
So what is the real distance of the SM house from the power lines?
Something does smell fishy and I don't see any water.........lol
Added:
@BEP
"No, not cancelling BEMF (I hate that term) ". lol
You're catching my disease. lol
YOUR ANSWER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBg-hVTIOM
i dare you to hit this with 1k 8)
ist
These spectrograms are generated from the SM video audio.
1st) SM walks back inside the mansion after demo in the street.
2nd) SM is measuring the large unit on the table, a period of silence.
3rd) SM is activating the smallest TPU on the glass table
Notes: In first graph, the time periodic signals are his foot steps. Also, notice the harmonic content is different for the two devices. It's possible the devices themselves add to the harmonic content of the power lines. In the third graph, it is clearly visible that new harmonics appear when the device is turned on (3060 Hz and above). These harmonics are captured perhaps due to the sound of the vibrating TPU against the glass. The other harmonics are most likely captured by ELECTROMAGNETIC interference upon the video camera, NOT by sound.
These videos had the CLUES in them all along. SM is tuning his devices to the power line harmonics, and his device is a tuned loop antenna of sorts.
The even harmonics make it look more like a triangle wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_wave) than a clean 60 Hz sine wave, but the harmonics amplitudes don't seem to be weighted with the inverse square of their frequency ratio... I guess in older videos one usually gets odd harmonics though, because the 59.94 Hz (field rate) signal gets distorted towards a square wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave).
Maybe the signals are a result of (constructive or destructive) interferences of 60 Hz power grid(s), 59.94 Hz (29.97 Hz frame rate) of camera, and other signals (e.g. running TV, etc.).
It could possibly also be an analog camera, not a digital CCD variant, so maybe it could be more like a sawtooth-like wave than a square wave distortion.
EMdevices,
which video file did you use ?
Do you really trust the AAC codec from the MP4 file ?
Also I agree, maybe he used an analog Hi-8 camera
where you have swicthing noise in the Stereo Hifi Audio
channel due to the recording rotating head principle with lots of overtones...
So I would not base any sound analysis on any MP4 file....
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Didn´t you want to go there this weekend ?
Stefan,
you will see these Power Line Harmonics (PLH) in most of the videos, high quality and the previous ones. These PLH signals are NOT due to the video camera hardware, they are ELECTROMAGNETICLY induced due to the PROXIMITY to the power lines and the HUGE magnetic and electric fields present.
Here's a good reference showing some VLH spectrograms near power lines (notice the distance of recording):
http://home.pon.net/785/man-made.htm (http://home.pon.net/785/man-made.htm)
These SM videos had the clues in them all along !!!
He is tuning his devices to these frequencies !!!
EM
P.S. See the extra spectrogram I added in the previous posting.
Hello all,
so, no power line no TPU!!!
Maybe for you EM.
Otto
@otto
@EM is not looking to say , he cannot, we cannot or you cannot make a TPU.
He is looking at other potential power sources for SM's TPU's.
He should be commended and not condemned for having enough courage to objectively follow that line of investigation, which he is doing.
Catching VLF starts with an antenna, FTPU has 6 turns, LTPU has 6 turns or 27 feet. I have read that many antennas use Litz Wire. I have read that anywhere from 10 to 100 feet is enough to catch such power. That power is all around the given area and what is only required is to catch it at high iterations and compress it.
I am sure that some here could design such a system. You only need to catch 0.01 volts repeated 6000 times per second to make an FTPU. I am to stupid for such stuff but the basic pretense is highly probable.
Of course, no one will do it because no one wants to think they have been chasing a phantom for a couple of years now. I have again been looking at the FTPU closely and will be making a better circuit diagram soon, hopefully before year end.
But this is not to say a TPU is impossible to make. Far from it.
Hello all,
@wattsup
the power source of a TPU?
the particles swirling around in a TPU - the "tornado". Or maybe better, a tornado inside a "sea of energy" like Tom Bearden said.
Otto
@otto
Let's agree to put the cryptic language aside and dicuss this like rational researchers.
"Particles turning around in TPU - like a Tornado".
This may be true but would you agree that such a tornado would have a better chance if it was already immersed in a highly or moderately charged environment and not only the etheral sea of energy we know is everywhere?
I will challenge any of the EEers to make a circuit with not more then 7 SS components plus one bucking toroid coil considering the following methodology;
1) You should not use more then two 1.5 volts batteries to run the circuit.
2) Use a power supply to simulate an etheric inputing supply of 0.01 volts non-pulsed, so steady voltage stream as the attraction input voltage.
3) Take this 0.01 volts and accumulate it within 4-5 seconds of startup to get 60 volts at no load.
4) Show by connecting a voltmeter to the output that there is a steady (or slightly fluctuating) 60 volts.
5) Now remove the power supply and take some energy from the 1.5-3.0 volt battery to draw from it a separate 0.01 volts and connect in to the same attraction side of the circuit.
6) Now make a loop antenna that is in series with an outer coiling and replace the .01 volts feed side. Does not work? No problem.
7) OK, now find a place near high voltage lines and try it again.
Like I said, I am too stupid with EE to know how to do it right.
I know some of the guys here can do this with their eyes closed.
Now if you successfully do the above, you have repliacted to the letter what was shown in the end as the FTPU demo. Not more, not less.
@ wattsup
what is the amount of alum per ring??
:D
ist!
as was said in the vids .... thease units are light weight magwire and steel soft iron in that size is much heaver ... alum is verry light weight ...
@EMDevices
The truth always has great value, whether we like that truth or not. Even if SM's TPU obtained power from the grid, that doesn't necessarily preclude using those same principles of operation to create power from natural sources such as gravity or the Earth's EM field. I'm not saying either way because, until we hold a working TPU in our hands, none of us can really say 'for sure' what it uses for power.
My most recent research suggests that there is a 400 HZ-wide band that resonates with Earth's EM field to produce a tiny amount of excess power with each pulse. I'm currently waiting on parts to build a circuit that @Groundloop designed so this effect can be magnified and verified.
My point is that, even if SM's TPU tapped into commercial power, your information takes us closer to understanding the TPU's operating principles. Those principles can still be applied towards tapping into natural sources if they exist. For this reason, I very much appreciate your work in this area.
Neo
I am with Em and Thaelin that the TPU is a resonant device. I am thinking it is a couple of tanks linked together, Look at a three phrase motor design, a "Y" configuration with a capacitors applied to it like a Rotoveter. You get 3 tanks circuits this way. Tune the primary tank to a base frequency and the second to a multiple, maybe a third above, make sure the choosen values combine in the third to a say a fifth above the primay. Use low ESR caps. Use a magnet as a field source to couple the tank to the 90 degree bifilar coil for a power tap. Use a local oscillator to tickle the primary tank circuit.
Power generation is due to environment participation, tank Q and a rogue wave theory. Output would contain some of LO signal in it. Does this sound like a active front end to a old receiver?
Power Output = Q of tank plus the multiplication factor of 3 tank circuits (4 x 4) mixing, won't this produce a bit of power?
the small torrid in the SM TPU is a colpitts oscillator (or similar) that is sync'd to the tank circuits via proximity.
Just a thought... What do you guys think?
:)
;D
ist
Hello all,
@wattsup
Cryptic language?
No!
We are living in a sea of energy. This is the truth and our TPU IS already immersed in a highly charged
environment. The particles are charged!
So, our job is to give the particles a rotation. The faster the better.
You all know the Tesla patent 685 957 Utilization of radiant energy. A plate collects the particles.
He was able to collect them and use this energy. The best is that this invention works. It works so good that you can be killed by the collected particles. No further comment on this!
We are also collecting such particles with our TPU. The more we rotate them, the more we can collect so our tornado is bigger and bigger.
If you think Im wrighting about something virtual then youre wrong. I see what such particles can do, I see how strong they are, how inert, I saw their kinetic energy....and, if you disturb the rotation of the particles you have a disaster!!! A disaster in the sence that the current rises a lot.
Did I say that Im researching the particles? Yes, but nobody cares,ha,ha.
1.why not more then 2 1,5V batteries?? Dont we see a "hided" 9V battery in one of the TPUs??
"Hided" because a little child would know that there is a 9V battery.
2. to get 60V without a load?
Didnt SM told us that if we connect a load, the voltage dropps?? Dont we see in a video a voltage of 90V or so???
Where did you get the 0,01V??
The TPU has NOTHING to do with power lines!!!
Otto
We all know that magnet will induce current as electricity. But where the physics tell that particle could also generates electricity? So where is the theory?
Hello all,
@tosky
where can you read in books that when I connect a load to my TPU the current DROPPS??
where can you read in books that even a TPU is possible???
And I say the TPU is not a fake. So, where are the books??
Ever heared about cosmic energy, how the earth is bombarded every second, on every place....
Im for sure not the first wrighting about this. Tesla, Moray.........read a little bit ....
Otto
PS: youre surching in books for a solution?? Forget it!!
Quote from: otto on December 23, 2008, 04:55:21 AM
Hello all,
@tosky
where can you read in books that when I connect a load to my TPU the current DROPPS??
where can you read in books that even a TPU is possible???
And I say the TPU is not a fake. So, where are the books??
Ever heared about cosmic energy, how the earth is bombarded every second, on every place....
Im for sure not the first wrighting about this. Tesla, Moray.........read a little bit ....
Otto
PS: youre surching in books for a solution?? Forget it!!
The secret lives of invisible magnetic fields are revealed as chaotic, ever-changing geometries as scientists from NASA's Space Sciences :
http://www.flixxy.com/magnetic-fields.htm
you can image with high voltage line
Hello all,
@wings
thanks a lot for the video. Now I have an idea to make a magnetic field in a TPU visible. I hope its the right idea,ha,ha.
I dont think that in a TPU is a chaos. Not electrically nor magnetically. Its an almost perfect order. A very high speed tornado. Or maybe you have seen a real tornado that is chaotic??On the bottom 4" wide ( for a 6" TPU) and on top.....who knows?
A long time ago I was measuring the height of a magnetic field in one of my TPUs. I measured over 5 feet!! It was not so a good TPU.
Otto
Could any one of you experienced from high speed tornado or particle accelerator (not photo cell) generated for at least:
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001V
or
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001A
If not, logically wrong way to go.
Quote from: tosky on December 23, 2008, 09:28:34 AM
Could any one of you experienced from high speed tornado or particle accelerator (not photo cell) generated for at least:
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001V
or
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001A
If not, logically wrong way to go.
????
GIC have been known since the mid-1800s when it was noted that electrical telegraph systems could sometimes run without power during geomagnetic storms, described at the time as operating on the “celestial batteryâ€, while at other times they were completely inoperative [2]. See also: Aurora (astronomy)
http://aurora.fmi.fi/gic_service/english/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetically_induced_current
no one seems to get it, oh well, they are more interested in debating it than making it work. good luck.
No theory, no direction, no voltage, no current, how to make it out?
How to make out a TV. (1) Theory (2) circuit design (3) experiment (4) improve (5) success. This is science and technology. Nothing came from nothing.
Quote from: tosky on December 23, 2008, 10:54:49 AM
Nothing came from nothing.
:)
Alot of things are discoverd by accident.
Stop talking guys, experiment, research, WORK, and you will see that you are not able to extract energy in that amout out of power lines. But i said it the last time.
A.
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 23, 2008, 12:16:19 PM
:)
Alot of things are discoverd by accident.
many things.... ;)
ist
@Antimon
No correct theory, how to do experiment, where to go?
@marco
Please name one of those useful discovered accident for the TPU.
@tosky:
I posted it somwhere in the forum...There is lots of information in the forum
Merry Christmas@all
A.
Quote from: Antimon on December 24, 2008, 06:41:10 AM
@tosky:
I posted it somwhere in the forum...There is lots of information in the forum
Merry Christmas@all
A.
indeed .... :)
MERRY TO KNOW MAS ;)
IST!
I am going to take a 9 volt battery and throw it at you at a very high speed. It hits you in head. You're dead.
I am going to take a 9 volt battery and shove it down your throat. You choke. You're dead.
I am going to take a 9 volt battery and put it a stun gun and shoot you in the neck with it. BZZZZZZZZZZZT! you're dead. But of course, you died from nothing.
You must remember the vid of SM17 where he holds the 2 leads together. Huge arcing! BFZFZFZFZZZZZT. You're dead. From where?
Treat yourself for Christmas and buy a stun gun and open it up. I was just as curious and confounded untilI saw the Arcing of the SM17. I immediately bought 3 stun guns. The rest is history.
Those that can't, won't or don't dream are dead.
--giantkiller.
Yes, its simple. I have this kind older one, the same circuit.
My Myotron Black Widow pulse wave - I can not take it apart with no damages, I do not >:(
What I like - 6 years the same batteries.
I have not much used it, just few times ::) - for very drunk man it does not effect much ... perhaps was wrong body-zone ...what ever ... I did not want to kill him ;)
When I bought it then for first tests I used an experimental animal - I tried on myself :o
Was very bad feeling, but I do abide very high voltage 8)
cheers,
khabe
I found this youtube video quite interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9pZCMJb8s&feature=related
Why is there a frequency at 5.5 kHz during a lightning storm? In the SM video where a large TPU is cut up, he also mentions the same 5.5 kHz frequency.
Here's a paper on the spectrum:
http://www.vaisala.com/content/vaisala%20-%20internet%20dg5%20c/newsanddownloads/events/ildcilmc/2006/2006%20ILDC%20Papers/2006%20ILDC%20Paper/52_ILDC%20Rai,%20Sharma,%20Chand,%20Kumar,%20Israil.pdf
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on December 25, 2008, 09:45:08 PM
I found this youtube video quite interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9pZCMJb8s&feature=related
Why is there a frequency at 5.5 kHz during a lightning storm? In the SM video where a large TPU is cut up, he also mentions the same 5.5 kHz frequency.
Here's a paper on the spectrum:
http://www.vaisala.com/content/vaisala%20-%20internet%20dg5%20c/newsanddownloads/events/ildcilmc/2006/2006%20ILDC%20Papers/2006%20ILDC%20Paper/52_ILDC%20Rai,%20Sharma,%20Chand,%20Kumar,%20Israil.pdf
EM
Note: The vertical component shows higher amplitude than the horizontal. This can be because of antenna polarization. I've found the amplitude difference remains even when using separate horizontal and vertical polarized antenna. There is also a difference between the vertical and horizontal frequencies in the 2k range.
Also the frequency in the 5k range can vary in a single signal from around 4 to 7k.
In my analysis of the audio from a TPU I found two major audio frequencies separated by 1800Hz. Within this 1800 range there were 5 separate and equal peaks with 200Hz spacing.
This all would vary slightly but that was my best interpretation.
These audible sounds were obviously being generated by movement. In a few checks I found a high strength 15.8kHz peak but couldn't be sure it was generated by the TPU or some other electronics, possibly the camera being used.
@em it sure makes sence to me ...
tune to harmonics of the strikes... however ...
if tuned tooo close.... we will call lightning :o :o
there better ways.... much safer 8)
ist!
Here's a spectrum about 500 ft away from HV lines, similar to the ones next to the mansion, where SM tested his TPUs. (note, he was a lot closer to them them 500 ft, more like 100 ft)
notice a few intermittent signals that it's also picking up (15.75 kHz), a VLF signaling of sorts from undisclosed locations perhaps?
Solid signal at 13.9 kHz,
and last but not least, notice all the power grid harmonics extending well above 5 kHz.
There is plenty of energy to be harvested off of these lines, and I don't mean the 60 Hz, but anything above that is fair game and they can't make an argument that you are stealing their power, unless they can prove they are supplying it to the lines.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on December 25, 2008, 09:45:08 PM
I found this youtube video quite interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9pZCMJb8s&feature=related
Why is there a frequency at 5.5 kHz during a lightning storm? In the SM video where a large TPU is cut up, he also mentions the same 5.5 kHz frequency.
Here's a paper on the spectrum:
http://www.vaisala.com/content/vaisala%20-%20internet%20dg5%20c/newsanddownloads/events/ildcilmc/2006/2006%20ILDC%20Papers/2006%20ILDC%20Paper/52_ILDC%20Rai,%20Sharma,%20Chand,%20Kumar,%20Israil.pdf
EM
I think that 5khz got something to do with the acoustic waves generated by an expanding spinning plasma. GK posted something once about a jet engine failure
that occurred when a 5khz standing wave set up in a jet engine. Jet engines got plasma expanding in the outlet of the jet throat. Lightning has plasma vortices and people have reported a 5khz whine around what appears to be plasma vortices diagraming crop circles. Maybe it is the way atomspheric pressure is influenced by the pressure drop inside the plasma vortice? Another interesting thing about the powerlines and the timing of SM's demos. Was that about 11years ago when the sunspots were facing us last. This guy could be some kinda prophet using the increased solarwind activity that determines the emwave excitation parameters of the Schuman cavity like the old illuminati used astronomy to convince everybody he had the secret to the Universe at his disposal. ;D
Quote from: EMdevices on January 06, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
notice a few intermittent signals that it's also picking up (15.75 kHz), a VLF signaling of sorts from undisclosed locations perhaps?
Solid signal at 13.9 kHz,
EM
Holy Shit EM :o
This is extremly intresting. :)
These are almost exactly the same signals used to extract hydrogen from Water Using Radio Waves.
Here : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6459.msg148305#msg148305 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6459.msg148305#msg148305)
M.
Hi EM,
have you been there around Christmas at the SM mansion house ?
Are these the shots you have been taking there or are
these other spectrums from somewhere else ?
Many thanks.
Perhaps these "shots" made from Videos - taken from pc screen ;)
gruss,
khabe
Steven Mark TPU
Graham Gunderson coil
Alfred Hubbard coil
Lester Hendershot motor
Nikola Tesla Pierce Arrow
all seems the same class devices.
Alternators , but with rotor eliminated.In other words : the source of rotating magnetic field is not rotating part (electromagnet or magnet) but something stationary.
Did you worked out what is it ? How is created that rotating magnetic field without using any electronics or only with one simple generator ?
Quote from: EMdevices on January 06, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Here's a spectrum about 500 ft away from HV lines, similar to the ones next to the mansion, where SM tested his TPUs. (note, he was a lot closer to them them 500 ft, more like 100 ft)
notice a few intermittent signals that it's also picking up (15.75 kHz), a VLF signaling of sorts from undisclosed locations perhaps?
Solid signal at 13.9 kHz,
and last but not least, notice all the power grid harmonics extending well above 5 kHz.
There is plenty of energy to be harvested off of these lines, and I don't mean the 60 Hz, but anything above that is fair game and they can't make an argument that you are stealing their power, unless they can prove they are supplying it to the lines.
EM
Here's the spectrum analize i made last year so we can compare them both.
@marco, very interesting observations about the frequencies of water, makes me wonder. In the SM video scope shots, I can clearly see that 5 kHz or so frequency. It's quite possible different HV lines have different spectrums of energy on them. Everybody should first analyze the HV energy by their house and then tune their TPUs accordingly.
@stefan, the spectrograms are made around my house, NOT by the mansion. I drove by the mansion a few weeks ago but I did not have my VLF receiver with me, it was an impromptu visit to Disney Land :) I'll go by there in the coming weeks again, so no worries, my VLF receiver will be with me this time.
Here's another spectrogram of the HV lines in the neighborhood,
My game plan now is to tune my receiving TPU coil to 2200 Hz, seems like a nice strong signal ready to be harvested :)
Let me just say that I'm simply amazed how much magnetic pollution we have around here. More then 1000 ft away from the HV power lines and the buzzing sound I hear in my headphones connected to my VLF sensor is quite strong. Walking around outside I can pick up energy from underground cables, that's how sensitive this thing is. And walking next to a power meters at my house I can hear the buzzing change tone from about 3 or 4 meters away !!! This thing is opening up a whole new world of exploration, and concern. :o
EM
@EM
Wow, you will go with your VLF. That's great.
Even at 1000 feet and you still get loud results. People are slowly getting fried near these lines.
Nice graph. Too bad it did not go higher then 4khz. But the color graph image could start a whole new form of art. You can call it Local Buzz Art - lol.
Anyone, just drive around town with your car radio on AM set between two channels. You'll hear your car plus all the electric lines. Actually sounds pretty scary after a while.
Yes, I also saw the 5khz on @marco's shots.
Here is a technical question.
Let's say the TPU did not need an oscillation circuit or control. Can that 5khz from the power lines provide the oscillation logic required in a TPU? Meaning if I had an antenna that was wide band, and just tuned in to 5khz, the incoming signal with highest amplitude itself will be the oscillator in the circuit. That means all the energy required to run a separate FG input signal is not required. Am I being clear or am I confusing you?
no confusion here bro 8)
verry possible ;D
ist ...
@GK
Look at this incredible web site.
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html
Quote from: wattsup on January 08, 2009, 12:25:59 AM
@EM
Wow, you will go with your VLF. That's great.
Even at 1000 feet and you still get loud results. People are slowly getting fried near these lines.
Nice graph. Too bad it did not go higher then 4khz. But the color graph image could start a whole new form of art. You can call it Local Buzz Art - lol.
Anyone, just drive around town with your car radio on AM set between two channels. You'll hear your car plus all the electric lines. Actually sounds pretty scary after a while.
Yes, I also saw the 5khz on @marco's shots.
Here is a technical question.
Let's say the TPU did not need an oscillation circuit or control. Can that 5khz from the power lines provide the oscillation logic required in a TPU? Meaning if I had an antenna that was wide band, and just tuned in to 5khz, the incoming signal with highest amplitude itself will be the oscillator in the circuit. That means all the energy required to run a separate FG input signal is not required. Am I being clear or am I confusing you?
Is this ALWAYS 5khz or it depends on size of TPU ? That's what we should looking for I think.
Quote from: wattsup on January 09, 2009, 12:43:00 AM
@GK
Look at this incredible web site.
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html
That and Forrest Mims are the 2 oldest memories I got left. :D
Check out page 8-9 of http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/history/index.html
There is a start of a tpu project( ;D) on the left and my favorite the loud speaker in the back right.
--giantkiller.
Ah at last something I can say! I know much about the weather this is my job. The ionesphere twists waves and makes them circle polarised I have a pdf on this.
http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU06/03576/EGU06-J-03576.pdf
It say the wave is 'left hand polarised component' so anticlockwise rotation of electric fields on TPU will be the same as this. I think 2 dipoles are need to pick up circle waves or something called a birdcage antenna. I think this is the real name as I can find on google.
http://images.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&q=birdcage+coil&btnG=Search+Images
I think the big TPU coil has this inside it now that I look at it more. It looks like it woudl fit.
I have been learning english for 20 years, as my wife is english but still it is difficult so sorry if my technical words are not perfect.
terrestrial natural electromagnetic noise:
http://www.earth-prints.org/bitstream/2122/3674/1/11bianchi.pdf
I was wondering if the solarwind smacking into the magnetosphere at millions of miles an hour goes unnoticed by the Earth. Pretty energetic stuff.
Take a look at this video I made. I'm measuring the orientation of the magnetic fields around the high voltage power lines at about 400 feet away, where the field is pretty much vertical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh66OBKqOww
A spectrum of the sound is attached. In a month or so I will be on vacation again and I'll head to the mansion to take measurements over there. I expect pretty much the same thing, i.e. lot's of energy !!
EM
Looking good EM :)
If there is any waves below 20Hz we cannot hear them.
That plot speaks for itself.
Thanks man can't wait to see the analysis from the mansion.
M.
@EM
Don't say here which day you will go because they just might shut down the grid. lol
Ok, I made it over there with my VLF meter. Lot's of magnetic field frequencies as you can see in the chart. There's a currious frequency between 5.5 kHz and 6.0 kHz, which SM could have been tuned into. The fields were so strong at one point it overloaded my VLF meter.
I'll upload a movie for you guys shortly.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pF9PL9Mbw
EM
EM please upload the video to the upload selection.
You tube states it is removed because it's too long.
Marco.
EDIT: here's the chart compared to the video analysis.
@EM
Good going man. This is very pertinent. Too bad the video is too big for uTube.
Can you let us know the model of your VLF meter as I would like to try and find the schematic diagram of that meter to see if there is anything such as components or general function that could be used in a TPU????
According to my current tests of a FTPU build and the relationship between the outer ring and outer coils, THERE IS NOTHING happening in the transitional coupling sense at 5000hz range. I have seen good coupling action at the 2mhz and above levels if it is driven under a coupling energy transfer scheme.
If anyone can calculate the resistor,capacitor and transistor values for pulsing a coil at 2mhz or above, consider the outer coils have an ohmage of 0.1 to 0.2 if that helps any. Even with the number of wire turns in outer coils of the OPTU, STPU and 6TPU should be about the same ohmage. It would basically be like pulsing against a short circuit. Figure the center toroid coils have an ohmage of about 2.5 to 3.5. But there is nothing openly seen to be able to have an ohmage in the 30 to 150 range. Nothing. I know I asked this before but apparently I needed to know the coil ohmage. The basic diagram is located here but I need some values for the components.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5486.msg156190#msg156190
Now if there is a way to consider the same builds but in the VLF receiving scheme using some simple components, this would be something to consider very seriously at this stage in order to work at both angles.
I built a few FTPU and 6TPU style coil cages and will take then near the HV lines this week and put my multi-meter on them to see if anything happens.
:P
Why don't you take a garden hose, fill with water and investigate how the force of two fingers could be used to move water inside hose by squeezing it along the length ?
Garden-Hose-TPU :o
@[marco]
Nice matching job!
@EM
I assume you have an audio output on that device of yours? You then fed it into your 'puter?
The point that really interests me is a 5.8.
BTW: Are there any power lines running to the house? Maybe they picked up a real bargain when they bought the house?
Quote from: EMdevices on March 17, 2009, 12:43:27 AM
I'll upload a movie for you guys shortly.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pF9PL9Mbw
EM
Youtube deleted your video.
Please upload it to video.google.com
cause they allow much longer videos.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Ok, I deleted the longer video which youtube would not allow, and I edited it down to just about 9 minutes, so they should accepted it now.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LJmAW7hYak
Enjoy !!
EM
P.S. wattsup, the meter is my own design, it's just a pickup coil with about 100+ turns on a ferrite and amplified about 100 times or so, works great except when excessive fields are present, then distortion sets in.
You're a hoot EM! Nice road trip.
You know one thing that troubles me about the energy capture idea in the 5 to 6 kHz range, is why one wouldn't be more interested in the 60 to 120 Hz range where obviously the energy levels are much higher. Your audio from the pickup coil clearly shows the 60 Hz dominance does it not?
.99 :)
Quote from: EMdevices on March 17, 2009, 10:28:31 PM
Ok, I deleted the longer video which youtube would not allow, and I edited it down to just about 9 minutes, so they should accepted it now.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LJmAW7hYak
Enjoy !!
EM
P.S. wattsup, the meter is my own design, it's just a pickup coil with about 100+ turns on a ferrite and amplified about 100 times or so, works great except when excessive fields are present, then distortion sets in.
as for Marco suggestion - dangerous under power line
http://www.google.com/patents?id=CcdUAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=2813242#PPA1,M1
Broom antenna:
http://www.antentop.org/010/files/ra3aae010.pdf
http://www.antentop.org/009/files/ra3aae009.pdf
@EM
Great vid!
The one thing that sticks out, for me....
The bursts, clipping, and distortion heard sound very familiar to me. As a HAM, I'm always fighting interference from BPL (Broadband over power lines). The noise you recorded sounds the same.
Surely BPL wasn't around when 'you know who' lived there so maybe it wasn't BPL then.
Quote from: BEP on March 18, 2009, 07:42:27 AM
@EM
Great vid!
The one thing that sticks out, for me....
The bursts, clipping, and distortion heard sound very familiar to me. As a HAM, I'm always fighting interference from BPL (Broadband over power lines). The noise you recorded sounds the same.
Surely BPL wasn't around when 'you know who' lived there so maybe it wasn't BPL then.
I think he's plugged directly into the camera's MIC input and the sound you are referring to is clipping of its front end electronics. We're not going to hear anything but power noise from those lines as long as power is coursing through them.
EM, Why don't you build a BP filter centered on 5 or 6 kHz and try comparing the amplitude with the 60 Hz area. I think you may find it way down in the dirt.
.99
Hello all,
@EM
nice video.
@All
this sound will produce your TPU when you mix 2 frequencies that are much higher. Maybe 1 is over 200kHz and the other less then 200kHz ( I really dont remember). No, I didnt say 200kHz + 205kHz or 206kHz. Not in this way.
Its also not a problem to hear sounds as you wish. You must only turn on your radio when you pulse your TPU. Of course, no power lines near your TPU.
Otto
@otto
@poynt99 says there is also a dominant frequency at 60-120hz. So your two frequencies could be 5000Hz and 60-120Hz to give a good mixing of both and create as much havoc as possible going into the collectors and meeting inside one half of the center toroid that would then impart its energy to the second half of the center toroid as shown below. Hmmmm.
The question is how could you tune two rings to then have a greater affinity for those frequencies?
@wings
Good patent find. Thanks.
@ BEP, yes I plug my magnetic meter into the microphone jack of my camcorder, works pretty good for me, then once I transfer it to my computer via the firewire interface, I can edit and extract just the sound file, which then I can play in the spectrum program.
@poynt99, you're correct about the clicks and sounds, those most likely are from the camera itself, I've observed them before, that's why I hold out the receiver straight out in front of the camera as far away as my arm will go. BEP might be also correct, I'm sure they use the relay control frequencies on those lines.
Also, the energy from the powerlines is definitely stronger at the lower frequencies, like you were wondering, but there is an explanation for that, it's the filtering in the meter amplifyer, but I tend to believe their magnitude might be stronger, anyway, a basic rule of thumb is that if we want to tune to lower frequencies, we'll need higher values of inductance L and capacitance C, and you know what that means, large quantaties of wires, lots of caps in parallel, etc.., but it could be done. (this is assuming we use a LC tank circuit as the resonant structure) However, there is also a simple reason why we want to operate at higher magnetic frequencies, given the same field magnitude, and that is because the induced voltage is dependent on the FREQUENCY. Higher frequencies means the magnetic field is changing faster, because it vibrates faster from + to - polarities, so induced voltage in a loop of wire is equal to the derivative of the flux, or the rate of change of the flux, so the higher the rate of change the higher the voltage ! In that line of thinking, tuning in to some AM radio station at 1450 kHz would even be better since they transmit at higher frequencies. However, there's always a trade off, do I go for higher frequency but lower amplitude? or do I go for lower frequency but higher field strength? The equation will dictate what is better to use.
@ all, Sorry I didn't get the courage to go knock on the door, like some of you were hoping perhaps, it's just not in my nature to go bother people like that. Perhaps some other time when I go visit I might see somebody outside and talk to them. The important point about the trip is not realy to go inside the house, but it's the power lines that are right next to it.
hope you guys enjoyed it :)
EM
How many kV line is it? 200? 500?
I wonder that you have no special laws in US and people living so close to,
At that its not a Ghetto, not poor men slums - nice houses of high muck-a-muck people,
Voluntary test site?
Respect,
khabe
Ah ja, found some new links like
http://www.kokomoj0.zoomshare.com/
::)
IMO: good choice not knocking on the door. I hope you don't need to make such a trip to my house without warning. Even if I'm not home the neighbor lady can bite.
Awesome man. :)
EM your the best.
Well done this trip,
and measurements
but why didn´t you call the owner before you arrived and asked him about
Steven Mark ?
Maybe he would have let you in and you could have filmed the table,
if there would be space for a hidden transformer ?
So you made this long trip and lost this chance....
Hummm....
Stefan, I did call, but nobody answered, I left a message too.
I don't think it's that important to film inside the house with new owners there and new furniture, etc.., but they may provide some interesting facts about when the house was purchased and from whom, etc.., all interesting info but not that usefull to replicating the TPU's.
EM
Your main clue is the Italian marble floors in foyer and living room.
--giantkiller
Sigh...
Why not just read the "engineer reports" and follow up on them... LOL NONE of them tested the TPU in the mansion.
Just because some see the "impossibility" of something that doesn't yet make sense to them, human nature wants to discredit it. ::)
Power line involvement....YES, producing a lot of unwanted noise, but thankfully the circuit potential was perfect for filtering that out. Distortion and noise are enemies of what is taking place in the collectors and will prevent "catalyst".
Cheers,
Bruce