My "free energy" List, in order of legitimacy:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=33.0
PL
You forgot about rectifying thermal noise using a diode array. ;)
What happened to Stiffler's site?
Interesting research......
@Yucca, Paul's just too modest, and his tech is in germination phase.
TS
QuoteYou forgot about rectifying thermal noise using a diode array. ;)
LOL! Good one! I don't know how to reply to that.
QuoteWhat happened to Stiffler's site?
Thanks! It's now in there.
PL
How do you determine legitimacy?
QuoteHow do you determine legitimacy?
The eyeball effect.
Sorry about that. I studied the designs, claims, history, and the inventors statements. If sufficient design information is provided (e.g., Hilden-Brand magnet motor), and the device is magnetic based, then I base my analysis on my magnetic research, which is based on conventional physics.
PL
Blacklight was just on CNC tv. Wow, impressive!
http://www.blacklightpower.com
I'll add it to my list, #1 spot. If I'm missing something then please let me know.
PL
http://www.blacklightpower.com/Documentary%20Video/blacklight_experiment_video_v2.wmv
Did I hear him actually say: 'no discernible change in chemistry of the nickel powder after producing a megajoule of energy'?
Show of hands....who here actually thinks man has the capacity for the level of continued social coherence required to harness free energy for the greater good?
TS
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 11, 2008, 12:02:06 AM
The eyeball effect.
Sorry about that. I studied the designs, claims, history, and the inventors statements. If sufficient design information is provided (e.g., Hilden-Brand magnet motor), and the device is magnetic based, then I base my analysis on my magnetic research, which is based on conventional physics.
PL
What about devices that don't use magnets?
Thanks for link techstuff. It's a bit large, 52MB, so it got me searching youtube. Here's the same video on youtube -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg
I added the youtube link on my website-- great video! Blacklight Power is the real deal!!
PL
QuoteWhat about devices that don't use magnets?
I also include Dr. Ron Stiffler, so it's not limited to magnetic stuff.
PL
Here's a more technical video -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCgud1qkv_A
PL
Added: What he says in the video about quantum mechanics as relying on "approximations" is 100% correct. My trapdoor numerical analysis software uses a quantum physics equation to calculate the force between two atoms, and it's well known there are different equations for this, depending on *the desired accuracy.* Needless to say, there's a definite limitation to the accuracy, as the most accurate QM equation to accomplish this task is imperfect.
Conventional physics is in for a massive change over the next decade! For example, the laws of thermodynamics are flawed. My diode array, that is moving natural ambient thermal energy, is proving this. Thankfully for humanity, the laws of thermodynamics is not a law, but a tendency. :)
PL
You got the titles wrong. The entire list could just as easily be labelled 'Fakes & Frauds' given the history of perpetual motion machines. I wager that in ten years, none of these will be any closer to reality.
For Mr Mills and Blacklight Power to succeed requires most of modern physics to be thrown out. It's similar to Steorn - self deluded inventor and tons of money from investors ($60m at last count). The good news is that his scam is probably at the end of the road given he has missed his deadlines and is still unable to demo his prototype after a decade of research. I doubt the recent validation from 'Rowan University' is going to help him either. ::)
From a 10 year old article at http://www.villagevoice.com/1999-12-21/news/quantum-leap/1
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Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. is considering a public offering of BlackLight Power stock in 2000. The investment bank says that the two chief needs that will trigger an IPO are a licensing agreement with a "household name company" and more substantial academic validation of its technologies. BlackLight Power is in discussions with DaimlerChrysler, and three major corporations are already examining materials it has produced, say Mills and company executives.
In the next year, Mills promises, the revolution will be "hydrinoized.
We are still waiting.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I like Bob Park's comments (a real physicist I heard speak recently) from http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN08/wn060608.html
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2. HYDRINOS: HOW LONG CAN A REALLY DUMB IDEA SURVIVE?
BlackLight Power (BLP), founded 17 years ago as HydroCatalysis, announced last week that the company had successfully tested a prototype power system that would generate 50 KW of thermal power. BLP anticipates delivery of the new power system in 12 to 18 months. The BLP process, (WN 26 Apr 91) , discovered by Randy Mills, is said to coax hydrogen atoms into a "state below the ground state," called the "hydrino." There is no independent scientific confirmation of the hydrino, and BLP has a patent problem. So they have nothing to sell but bull shit. The company is therefore dependent on investors with deep pockets and shallow brains.
Quote from: wizardofmars on December 14, 2008, 12:24:09 PM
You got the titles wrong. The entire list could just as easily be labelled 'Fakes & Frauds' given the history of perpetual motion machines. I wager that in ten years, none of these will be any closer to reality.
Well, I just had to add my own diode research to list so that I could now say, "How much would you like to wager on that?" ;) Since betting is illegal, lets do this the legal way and sign a business contract by a third party company. That way, if I'm correct that my diode arrays are producing a DC voltage across a load, then you buy the diode array. If not, then I'll buy your product or agricultural produce or lettuce, carrots or whatever you want to sell. I absolutely refuse money donations from people, but I honor award challenges (must be earned by winning), and business deals (must be validated by a third unbiased party) so, both of which would help in my research.
Let me know! ;D I'm always interested in a legal business deal or award challenge. That would help me buy a custom diode array chip. The business deal must be fair. No silliness such as my diode array must produce a certain amount of power. We only need to prove the effect, and any good electrometer can detect the DC voltage that my diode array is producing across a load, inside heavy electrical shield of course. The diode array has been tested inside an oil bath. It's been tested at countless locations in rural areas, inside caves, between canyons walls, deep inside a mountain in tunnels, all far out in rural areas, all inside three layers of metal shielding. -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/
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Quote from: wizardofmars on December 14, 2008, 12:24:09 PMFor Mr Mills and Blacklight Power to succeed requires most of modern physics to be thrown out.
I agree, and no offense to anyone, but heaven forbid if the accept science theories of the day were to ever become outdated, lol! Hmmm, classical mechanics comes to mind, which lasted 400 years. Quantum mechanics will have a much shorter life span.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 14, 2008, 01:28:36 PM
I'm always interested in a legal business deal or award challenge. ....No silliness such as my diode array must produce a certain amount of power.
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IMO it's now safe to say that I have a "Free Energy" machine.
This technology is capable of producing over 18000 watts per square meter.
So you have a free energy machine capable of producing 18kw per square meter but it doesn't produce a measurable amount of power? ::)
What does it produce? Hot air?
Quote from: wizardofmars on December 14, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
So you have a free energy machine capable of producing 18kw per square meter but it doesn't produce a measurable amount of power? ::)
What does it produce? Hot air?
Do you know what "This technology is capable of producing over 18000 watts per square meter." means? Did I say that I had a 18KW/m^2 diode array chip? I didn't think so. Please read my sentence again. My diode array produces power, which is evident in the fact that it produces a DC voltage across a load.
So, if you truly think your conventional science community is all that, then there's no chance of losing, and therefore it would be guaranteed money. Come on, please, there's no way little old me, one single person could outsmart the entire conventional science community. Lets get a University to test my diode array. That way you won't be swindled out of your money. I'll earn it fair and square.
I see in your profile that you live in the USA. That should make the legal aspects easier.
PL
Quote from: wizardofmars on December 14, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
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So you have a free energy machine capable of producing 18kw per square meter but it doesn't produce a measurable amount of power? ::)
What does it produce? Hot air?
He wishes it produced hot air. You can get energy from hot air.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 11, 2008, 05:53:01 PM
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For example, the laws of thermodynamics are flawed.
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Will you came back AFTER proving it and not before?
And in case we won’t meet again, there is good reason for that.
QuoteHe wishes it produced hot air. You can get energy from hot air.
Very good. The guy has no place to complain. Either way, hot air or DC voltage across a load. :)
PL
Some minor updates on my part:
Yesterday my entire forum was made private, but it's now available with the exception of my diode blogs, which is intended for people who are seriously interested in the research. People can register on the forum for free.
Also at the bottom of every forum page you can see my public statement.
"The List" was just updated. The list contains both legit and fake "free energy" machines from my pov. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone knows of legit or fake "free energy" devices that should be included in the list.
Thanks,
PL
I found the video of blacklight power's device interesting to say the least. They say they are using nickel powder and have added a few chemicals. Then, he mentioned something about the hydrogen reacting. I am no chemist and have no desire to be one. I did have a thought as to what might be mixed in with the nickel powder. In the early days of the space race and possibly still today, NASA used hydrogen peroxide in the reaction control jets to adjust the attitude of the space crafts and also satellites. These were very simple devices that basically used a solenoid valve to release little jets of hydrogen peroxide which came into contact with a screen made of pure nickel which instantly reacted creating a rocket thrust which was expelled and, thanks to Newton, the space craft responded accordingly.
So, I am wondering if all he has added to the nickel is some form of hydrogen peroxide and since his nickel is in powder form, it takes the heat from an external power source to initiate the very fast reaction?
Just a thought.
Bill
Hi Bill,
The claim by Blacklight Power is that it's a completely new / unknown energy level in the hydrogen atom. This will be an upset to quantum mechanics. Blacklight Power claims that it will decrease to cost of energy to 0.1 to 0.2 cents per KW.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 15, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
It would be greatly appreciated if anyone knows of legit or fake "free energy" devices that should be included in the list.
Here is a list of about a hundred perpetual motion machines. The first fake was in 1150, so in 142 years this scam will be celebrating it's 1000th birthday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
They forgot to add Paul Sprains wankel motor into that list.....perhaps because it's really working and not a scam.
Thanks Ergo. I'll add look into Paul Sprains and add him to my list.
PL
I think in order to attach the word "legitimacy" to anything, there has to be something that has passed peer review. Until there is verification, it is all just the inventor's claims. Not a single item in the list has been independently verified and passed any kind of peer review. How many of the inventors even practice the most basic scientific method by attempting to falsify their own hypothesis?
So until then, I guess you can say, well, that device has a 0.00001 percent chance of working, as opposed to most of the others, which have a 0.00000001 chance of working, but really, that is not saying much.
What you are really judging is how "honest sounding" the inventors have been in promoting their inventions. But you are not judging the inventions on their own merits.
I'm willing replace the word "legitimacy" with another if there are any good word choices.
PL
I just bumped the Steorn Orbo up one notch and removed the word "iffy." The reasons for doing so are outlined in the list.
PL
I'd count the testatika, given the large number of witnesses.
http://www.methernitha.com/Mether_2/Free_energie/free_energie.html
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/overview.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Thanks Steven. I'll look into it.
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I made a mistake. I confused Dr. Ron Stiffler for Dr. Linnard Griffin. So Dr. Linnard Griffin is now in my list, and Dr. Ron Stiffler was removed.
PL
Yeehaw! More great diode array news. Last night was the scheduled 156 diode array measurement. -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=2.msg182#msg182
PL
Sorry, this is the wrong thread for the above post!
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 16, 2008, 11:35:43 AM
I just bumped the Steorn Orbo up one notch and removed the word "iffy." The reasons for doing so are outlined in the list.
Weak reasoning. The chief Steorn scamster waves his hands at a lecture and you think they are now legitimate? Exactly what proof did Sean provide? Zero, just more of his patented BS.
Steorn have now had several years to come up with the promised demo and their supposed 'jury' for validation. Notice Sean didn't mention those in his talk. Now they are talking about licensing the technology - yet another perpetual motion bait and switch.
Quote...anomalies with the magnets in the micro-wind turbines used to power the remote cameras...
:o :o :o :o You just cannot make this stuff up.
If you had any critical reasoning skills, you'd move Steorn to the fraud list.
Quote from: wizardofmars on December 21, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
Weak reasoning. The chief Steorn scamster waves his hands at a lecture and you think they are now legitimate? Exactly what proof did Sean provide? Zero, just more of his patented BS.
Steorn have now had several years to come up with the promised demo and their supposed 'jury' for validation. Notice Sean didn't mention those in his talk. Now they are talking about licensing the technology - yet another perpetual motion bait and switch.
:o :o :o :o You just cannot make this stuff up.
If you had any critical reasoning skills, you'd move Steorn to the fraud list.
Perhaps you didn't read it because you failed to mention the reasons I bumped Steorn up in the list. Did you just dream up those reasons? If you think my critical reasoning skills are flawed then please accept my business challenge regarding my diode arrays producing a DC voltage across a load. :)
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 22, 2008, 10:00:24 AM
Perhaps you didn't read it because you failed to mention the reasons I bumped Steorn up in the list.
Like I posted, you listened to a lecture by Steorn and then bumped them up the list! Sean can make up whatever story he likes but there has been no substantive change in Steorn's situation since their failed demo over a year ago.
By the same token, if you go to a good lecture at a Buddhist temple, are you going to walk out a Buddhist, just because the priest was a slick talker?
Like I said, you failed to outline all of the reasons why I bumped Steorn up on the list.
I've added the Marcus Wagner device to my list,
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=33.0
Regards,
PL
Some good changes to my List. The list was split into three sections. A third section was added, Verified "Free Energy" machines.
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=33.0
Soon, I'll be adding the Methernitha Testatika to the list. That should make thebuzz happy, for awhile. :)
PL
There's something fascinating about the Testatika by Methernitha community, and Paul Suisse Bauman. That's my own decision, not influenced by anyone. It's added to my list:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=33.0
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=33.msg252#msg252
PL