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Oregon Moving Ahead on Maniac Fascist, GPS Enabled Mileage Tax
December 29th, 2008

Via: Democrat Herald:
http://www.dhonline.com/articles/2008/12/28/news/local/1aaa02_road.txt

A year ago, the Oregon Department of Transportation announced it had demonstrated that a new way to pay for roads â€" via a mileage tax and satellite technology â€" could work.

Now Gov. Ted Kulongoski says he’d like the legislature to take the next step.

As part of a transportation-related bill he has filed for the 2009 legislative session, the governor says he plans to recommend “a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.”

What that means is explained on the governor’s website:

“As Oregonians drive less and demand more fuel-efficient vehicles, it is increasingly important that the state find a new way, other than the gas tax, to finance our transportation system.”

According to the policies he has outlined online, Kulongoski proposes to continue the work of the special task force that came up with and tested the idea of a mileage tax to replace the gas tax.

The governor wants the task force “to partner with auto manufacturers to refine technology that would enable Oregonians to pay for the transportation system based on how many miles they drive.”

The online outline adds: “The governor is committed to ensuring that rural Oregon is not adversely affected and that privacy concerns are addressed.”

When the task force’s study and test were in the news in 2006 and 2007, critics worried that the technology could be used to track where vehicles go, not just how far they travel, and that this information would somehow be stored by the government.

In more than one interview with the Democrat-Herald and others, James Whitty, the ODOT official in charge of the project, tried to assure the public that tracking people’s travels was not in the plans.

The task force’s final report came out in November 2007. It was based largely on a field test in which about 300 motorists in the Portland area and two service stations took part over

10 months, ending in March 2007.

A GPS-based system kept track of the in-state mileage driven by the volunteers. When they bought fuel, a device in their vehicles was read, and they paid 1.2 cents a mile and got a refund of the state gas tax of 24 cents a gallon.

The final report detailed the technical aspects of the program. It also stressed the issue of privacy.

“The concept requires no transmission of vehicle travel locations, either in real time or of travel history,” the report said. “Accordingly, no travel location points are stored within the vehicle or transmitted elsewhere. Thus there can be no ‘tracking’ of vehicle movements.”

Also, the report said, under the Oregon concept of the program, “ODOT would have no involvement in developing the on-vehicle devices, installing them in vehicles, maintaining them or having any other access to them except, perhaps, in situations involving tampering or similar fee evasion activities.”

Equipment for the Oregon test was developed at Oregon State University.

Whitty said last year it might take about $20 million to establish that the mileage tax is commercially viable. Eventually, GPS devices would have to start being built into cars, and fueling stations would have to be similarly equipped.

The gas tax would stay in force â€" Kulongoski has proposed that it be raised 2 cents â€" for vehicles not equipped to pay the mileage tax.

soon there will be a flush tax , a counter will bill you once a month.,....dont worry no data will be stored, they wont track how many times you flush each day :)

Ahh....Freedom was nice while it lasted now its almost gone and most people don't even notice or care......there are people who will always fight for freedom tooth and nail though >:(

but, people just seem to want to be "freefrom"- terrorism, hard decisions, an honest living, family responsibility, monetary responsibility, morals, and all those bothersome "thoughts"....

People must give up their freedom, for Liberty!! hahaha ;D

....... "Fahrenheit 451" rings a bell....

When our cars run on water they'll still get their cut, plus our freedom we need to fight this tooth an nail

Quote from: b0rg13 on December 29, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
soon there will be a flush tax , a counter will bill you once a month.,....don't worry no data will be stored, they wont track how many times you flush each day :)

Where I live, there is already a flush tax .. It's called a sewage fee, and is directly proportional
to the water usage..
Luckily I am not on any city/county sewage system ( which cost much more than the water)

   And what happens if you don't buy gas at all?  If the vehicle is completely electric with on board
generators, that may give them a run for it. NUK NUK NUK!

thaelin

Quote from: Thaelin on December 29, 2008, 07:15:57 PM
   And what happens if you don't buy gas at all?  If the vehicle is completely electric with on board
generators, that may give them a run for it. NUK NUK NUK!

thaelin

Transponders will become mandatory.... they will tax on mileage.... your MOVEMENT!
they won't care if you peddle it like Fred Flintstone.
And police will simply scan roads for violators.

Quote from: Dave45 on December 29, 2008, 05:41:25 PM
When our cars run on water they'll still get their cut, plus our freedom we need to fight this tooth an nail

option 1, turn off the GPS.

option 2, shoot the law makers/politions.

(option2 saves more $$$)( give them the chance and they will tax each and every heart beat you have.).

   Actually, just put all behind it up for recall and get rid of them. No options.
If all stand up and put a stop to it, it will stop. But just a few will not make a
difference at all.
   I believe if we call for the "Flat rate tax" again, it will raise a bit of hell.

;D

thaelin

Quote from: Dave45 on December 29, 2008, 05:41:25 PM
When our cars run on water they'll still get their cut

That is the point which needs to be stressed and repeatedly.

If the public at large fails to recognize this as a blatant cash grab, it will be the signal that the programming and conditioning process was a success, and they will move in for the kill...and we will move to internment camps.

I think they know gas will soon be history...and this deal will be the thermometer from behind to see if we're done.

Regards...

A mileage tax is easy to implement and has been done in the past(maybe still is in some places)
It's called toll-roads, and it doesn't need GPS  and it doesn't take $20 million to test it.

Toll roads are mileage taxes.... true but only on expressways etc.
You pay for the convenience of taking that particular destination route..
you usually have other options to avoid toll and get where you want
to go..... FREEDOM to choose.

Choice is out the window with a GPS tax ..... you move.... you pay.

Why should we pay for toll roads when it was our tax dollars that built them?

   A can of silver metal spray paint will solve the problem. Their problem is
they haven't any way to make it manatory yet. Once it gets out what they
are up to, all hell is going to break. I will be right on the front line too. They
had a great thing going with the passports of putting the RFI chip in them so
they could tell who you are at 40 feet. Problem there was some one went on
national TV and showed how they cloned the chip and that went down the
crapper. So all we have to do is to clone the transponder and link it to the
little old lady down the street that drives only on sunday and to the store and
back. Screw the tax.
   Show me technology and you will soon see a way to defeat it. Not to mention
I will "NOT" have a tracking device attached to me in any form. All else fails, a
BIG hammer works.

thaelin

And the microwave!!!!

Thanks....
you guys have once again restored my confidence
in the human spirit and LIBERTY! heh-heh......
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL
;D

One big fat jamming signal should do the trick....right in the middle of rush hour.

What is that thing they do in war time to alter the GPS systems to negate actual locations, ..

and hell, they're just asking for a hacker to attempt to disable the gps net - boy, that would be a feat.

Isn't it strange how these proposals only beget disposals.

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on December 30, 2008, 03:42:49 PM
Why should we pay for toll roads when it was our tax dollars that built them?

That is a good question and one I always wondered about.  I was born and raised in NJ and they had toll roads everywhere, and you had to pay for every bridge you crossed leaving the state.  The amounts were raised every year and the traffic tie-ups were terrible at these "collection points".

20 years ago, I moved to Kentucky.  A very strange things was happening here.  When I first moved here, there were like 4 major toll roads.  Over the years, as each road bond got paid off....they ACTUALLY REMOVED THE TOLL BOOTHS!!!!!!  Now, I can't think of a single toll road here in the state.  This was a breath of fresh air believe me.

Now, this state is not perfect, no state is, and they are always thinking of new ways to "raise revenue", but, for me to see all of these tolls roads get paid off and become free, and no more quarters in the ashtray needed to travel, and no more traffic jams at the booths, well, at least that is something.  Of course, if they get wind of this new GPS garbage, who knows, they may jump on it.

Bill

oh yea... mm-m-h-m-m-... not just an Oregon plan....  ::)
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‘Spy-in-sky’ trials get the go-ahead despite Government promise to scrap road-pricing plan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1103999/Spy-sky-trials-ahead-despite-Government-promise-scrap-road-pricing-plan.html


James Chapman
UK Daily Mail
Friday, Jan 2, 2008

Ministers are pressing ahead with a £10million trial of ’spy-in-the-sky’ road-pricing technology despite widespread public opposition.

Test runs will start soon in seven locations for the scheme which could result in charges of up to £1.30 a mile on the most congested roads.

Volunteer drivers will have units fitted to their cars, which will be tracked by satellite and will automatically deduct payments from a test account.

The trials are proceeding despite previous statements from the Government suggesting that it had abandoned the idea of national road pricing.

Tests are expected to take place in Leeds, North Yorkshire, Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, South West London, Suffolk and Essex.

The latest technology will be used to precisely track motorists’ movements at every hour of the day.

New figures from the Government show that the bill of £10million covers only part of the tests, with further costs to follow.

Shadow Transport Secretary Theresa Villiers said: ‘Labour’s instinctive Big Brother approach to the management of our road systems is the wrong way to tackle congestion.

Oh, its just about trying to alleviate "road congestion" thats all...then we needn't worry.

Regards...

GPS is easy to handle - just put aluminium foil over the GPS antenna and it will think its under cover .......

   The biggest issue is privacy though.

Ironically, most people have a cell phone which is really a personal tracking device and usually it means someone has one phone number for life. If you dont want to be tracked, turn off the cell phone and remove the battery - it can be located to within +/- 15 feet with the new 3G technology.  Ever wondered why this 3G technology has been rolled out at such a speed? Of course its marketed as "cool" and "hip" for the suckers......

*Ding*....the turkeys are done......

   Its real sad to know that big boy can turn your phone on when its off as well.
This is just another way to have  a tracking device on the car you own. Best way
is to just tell them you refuse to have it. Pay the 2cents more and they can piss off.

thaelin

This isnt about tax , its about tracking and more importantly - CONTROL.

It has to be dressed up so the punters will not only buy into their own electronic prison but keep paying to keep themselves "incarcerated".

People are so damn brainwashed and brow beaten these days ( thanks to all the chemicals in the water and the highly effective media cartel ) that they will do damn near anything.

There will be pockets of "resistance", but by and large, it will be blanket coverage.
Be careful though - anything to do with tax is highly policed and usually brutally enforced. History tells us this.

Again, control is the issue - it has nothing to do with tax, but the tax is a nice little earner.

The best advice I could give people is 2 things :

(1) Study the Bible and recognise we are in the count down into Matthew 24 by understanding the signs of the times ( its all listed in Matt 24...)
(2) Please accept Jesus Christ of the Bible as your Saviour and recognise God of the Bible ( Jesus Christs' father ) is in control , even though it might not look it.


The reason I say this is this - as things get progressively worse, it will become an open war between good and evil. The best con job Satan ever did was convince people he doesnt exist, despite the Bible telling us so plainly.

"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
( Rev 12:9 )

Ergo, Satan will try to distract, brutalise, control, smash, decieve, lie to or cunningly lure people away from accepting the UNCHANGING Word of God, the Bible. Once people are in a rudderless state and pursue the "anything goes" or "we all have rights but no repsonsibilities" or "its all relative", youre a gonner. And once the full state of play kicks off, and the camps crank up and all your stuff is confiscated and people are interned and all your money is worthless and your gold rusts ( because God said He would do this ), then who will you turn to?

If you rely on people , well people with satanic backing are going to put you in the camps - so relying on the "good of people" is pointless. At that stage, when you have no possessions, no liberty - if you turn to God, ask sincere and honest repentance and beg forgiveness for your sins, God will hear you.
At that point, all you will have will be Yahweh, God of the Bible to protect you.

Acts 2:16-21
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
   Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions,
      your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
      and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below,
      blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'


America is dying. It is about to be FULLY overshadowed by satan thanks to his willing henchmen, and anything Biblical ( especially worship of God ) will soon be openly persecuted. This is believe is the beginning iof the pangs of distress spoken clearly in Matt 24 and so it will spread to the rest of the world , most likely by WWIII between Christendom and Islam. 

IMPORTANT Christendom is NOT true christianity.
Christendom is so-called "Christains" getting in bed with politics ( which started at the Council of Nicea ) , and as such is a perversion of pure worship of God and as such is unacceptable to God.

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence". ( John 18:36 )

And Christians dont go to war, anyway :
"Thou shalt not kill" ( Exodus 20:13 )
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment."  ( Matt 5:21 )

From this huge but nasty war, I'd expect the mark of the Beast to appear for our "security" as the Anti Christ appears to "solve" all our "problems". But do not accept it, even though it will likely carry the threat of death with it. Accepting the mark of the beast will mark you as for the Beast , and against God.

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." ( Rev 13:11-18 )


9  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. ( Revelation 14:9-11)


Sure..... people can tell me to go jump, but look around you? Do you recognise the world your grandparents or parents lived in? Does it seem to most sane people that the world has indeed gone mad?

In the Last Days, God said he would remove His restraining power and let evil run amok before He sorted things out ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 ). But we also have to prove which side of the fence are we on - and this comes down to how we live. If we live for God, we are on His side, if we live satans way we are on satans side.

We need to decide and make it quick - God doesnt want fence sitters.

"But since you are lukewarm and not hot or cold, I'm going to spit you out of my mouth."(Rev 3:16 )

Yeah sure this post might be seen as a rant, but I put this here out of love for my fellow man that you may be warned and get to know God before its way too late. You dont have much time.

2 Peter 3:1-10

This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; through them by way of reminder I am trying to stir up your sincere disposition, to recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and savior through your apostles.

Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers will come (to) scoff, living according to their own desires and saying,
"Where is the promise of his coming? From the time when our ancestors fell asleep, everything has remained as it was from the beginning of creation."
They deliberately ignore the fact that the heavens existed of old and earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God; through these the world that then existed was destroyed, deluged with water.
The present heavens and earth have been reserved by the same word for fire, kept for the day of judgment and of destruction of the godless.
But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day.
The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay," but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire, and the earth and everything done on it will be found out.

Oh.......and it seems internet censorship is becoming more and more frequent, as open persecution of Christians gets closer and closer.


Peace to all. 

Quote from: plasmastudent77 on January 05, 2009, 06:47:01 PM
This isnt about tax , its about tracking and more importantly - CONTROL.

It has to be dressed up so the punters will not only buy into their own electronic prison but keep paying to keep themselves "incarcerated".

People are so damn brainwashed and brow beaten these days ( thanks to all the chemicals in the water and the highly effective media cartel ) that they will do damn near anything.

There will be pockets of "resistance", but by and large, it will be blanket coverage.
Be careful though - anything to do with tax is highly policed and usually brutally enforced. History tells us this.

Again, control is the issue - it has nothing to do with tax, but the tax is a nice little earner.

The best advice I could give people is 2 things :

(1) Study the Bible and recognise we are in the count down into Matthew 24 by understanding the signs of the times ( its all listed in Matt 24...)
(2) Please accept Jesus Christ of the Bible as your Saviour and recognise God of the Bible ( Jesus Christs' father ) is in control , even though it might not look it.


The reason I say this is this - as things get progressively worse, it will become an open war between good and evil. The best con job Satan ever did was convince people he doesnt exist, despite the Bible telling us so plainly.

"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
( Rev 12:9 )

Ergo, Satan will try to distract, brutalise, control, smash, decieve, lie to or cunningly lure people away from accepting the UNCHANGING Word of God, the Bible. Once people are in a rudderless state and pursue the "anything goes" or "we all have rights but no repsonsibilities" or "its all relative", youre a gonner. And once the full state of play kicks off, and the camps crank up and all your stuff is confiscated and people are interned and all your money is worthless and your gold rusts ( because God said He would do this ), then who will you turn to?

If you rely on people , well people with satanic backing are going to put you in the camps - so relying on the "good of people" is pointless. At that stage, when you have no possessions, no liberty - if you turn to God, ask sincere and honest repentance and beg forgiveness for your sins, God will hear you.
At that point, all you will have will be Yahweh, God of the Bible to protect you.

Acts 2:16-21
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
   Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions,
      your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
      and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below,
      blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'


America is dying. It is about to be FULLY overshadowed by satan thanks to his willing henchmen, and anything Biblical ( especially worship of God ) will soon be openly persecuted. This is believe is the beginning iof the pangs of distress spoken clearly in Matt 24 and so it will spread to the rest of the world , most likely by WWIII between Christendom and Islam. 

IMPORTANT Christendom is NOT true christianity.
Christendom is so-called "Christains" getting in bed with politics ( which started at the Council of Nicea ) , and as such is a perversion of pure worship of God and as such is unacceptable to God.

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence". ( John 18:36 )

And Christians dont go to war, anyway :
"Thou shalt not kill" ( Exodus 20:13 )
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment."  ( Matt 5:21 )

From this huge but nasty war, I'd expect the mark of the Beast to appear for our "security" as the Anti Christ appears to "solve" all our "problems". But do not accept it, even though it will likely carry the threat of death with it. Accepting the mark of the beast will mark you as for the Beast , and against God.

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." ( Rev 13:11-18 )


9  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. ( Revelation 14:9-11)


Sure..... people can tell me to go jump, but look around you? Do you recognise the world your grandparents or parents lived in? Does it seem to most sane people that the world has indeed gone mad?

In the Last Days, God said he would remove His restraining power and let evil run amok before He sorted things out ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 ). But we also have to prove which side of the fence are we on - and this comes down to how we live. If we live for God, we are on His side, if we live satans way we are on satans side.

We need to decide and make it quick - God doesnt want fence sitters.

"But since you are lukewarm and not hot or cold, I'm going to spit you out of my mouth."(Rev 3:16 )

Yeah sure this post might be seen as a rant, but I put this here out of love for my fellow man that you may be warned and get to know God before its way too late. You dont have much time.

2 Peter 3:1-10

This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; through them by way of reminder I am trying to stir up your sincere disposition, to recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and savior through your apostles.

Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers will come (to) scoff, living according to their own desires and saying,
"Where is the promise of his coming? From the time when our ancestors fell asleep, everything has remained as it was from the beginning of creation."
They deliberately ignore the fact that the heavens existed of old and earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God; through these the world that then existed was destroyed, deluged with water.
The present heavens and earth have been reserved by the same word for fire, kept for the day of judgment and of destruction of the godless.
But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day.
The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay," but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire, and the earth and everything done on it will be found out.

Oh.......and it seems internet censorship is becoming more and more frequent, as open persecution of Christians gets closer and closer.


Peace to all. 

great post man. (thumbs up).

@plasma77,

If you were to read the book of Genesis with a truly discerning mind, like me, you would find yourself asking why the plural 'Gods' is used to describe the occupants of some type of transport with descending stairs...who then chose 'wives' from among their human "subjects".

Then you will realize that to them, advanced aliens would certainly seem like 'Gods'.

And after all  of that, the records of events were distorted by the ruthless ruling truth hiders of the day.

Any and only off world salvation coming our way will also come from aliens...and not any wrath wielding 'Godhead' fabricated by savage rulers.

Other than that you have a clear view of the process...you just have to set aside all the pre conditioned beliefs cleverly embedded in the accounting of historical events, and keep in mind that the one thing that hasn't changed since...you can't rely on the word of people in authority.

So to conduct ones life based on a book of unknown origin taking a big leap of faith...so to speak.

Particularly as it relates to the ostracizing of a sizable gay community...which included a goodly number of kids who commit suicide rather than be a pariah of society.

Other than that people are free to believe and do as they please...as long as no other living creature is negatively affected.

That is the yardstick I go by.

Regards... 

regardless of religion governments need capitol to operate and the U.S. government being the biggest employer of this nation, it needs a lot of money. and also they are the BIGGEST HYPOCRITS ON THE PLANET. they want us to quit smoking but they still want us to pay the tabacco tax. they want us to drive less and use more efficient cars for transport ut still want all the tax money from the high dollar gas prices.  trust me when i say this.THEY WILL FIND ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET THEIR MONEY. if everyone in america stopped smoking tomorrow the government stands to lose billions of tax dollars in 2009. and if we quit paying for gas because of OU cars or smoething else, THEY WILL GET THEIR MONEY.  I live near chicago and if i get gas or smokes in the city it is amazing to see the price difference.....

1 pack of camel lights by my house is around 3.48-3.70 depending on where i by it.....
1 pack of camel lights in Chicago is 8.50 plus even worse if in a night club.....
and they don't even allow smoking in public places anymore....

gas is a little less drastic, up by me it is around (as of today) 1.85 depending on the area but in chicago is around 2.00 again depending on the area.

the difference is the taxes.  they tried to put an end to internet tobacco sales because they could not figure out what state gets the tax money(the state that sold them or the state the they where shipped to.)  internet gambling was the same problem who gets the tax money.??? but like i said the government will get its money in the end.


There are only two known truths in life.......DEATH and TAXES

i should clarify internet gambling has the same problem....which state gets the tax money? if you gamble and win and the site is set up in Las vegas nevada but you live in chicago who gets the tax money from it. nevada or illinois. both winnings and losses because you can deduct gambling losses to offset any gambling winnings. or just claim losses on your taxes.

this is not a bad sign.
this is a good sign.

because it shows how DESPIRATE they are !


would they risk angering the population with EVERY OTHER decision that they make,
if they were not despirate for more control ???

if they have enough money and power to control us,
than why are they burning their brains out trying to find new ways to entrap us?


the answer is simple.
because they are LOSING power.
at a speed that scares them.

they are now grabing as much money/power as possible,
because they are AFRAID of what is coming !


a dictator is never nastier, than when they are losing power.

if the dictator was in control, than they would not be afraid.
they would be confident in their control.
they would be relaxed.
while smoking a cuban cigar.



our DICTATORS, are scared ****less !
their extreme actions PROVE it !

I concur...the earliest signs of panic were the attempts to regulate the internet - a vehicle of truth and disclosure.

Regards...

we just need to make sure that they dont run US into debt trying to sustain their lifestye or control. they keep talking about stimulus packages and the economy just keeps getting worse. they need stop cutting checks for HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars for their unrelentless spending on failing programs and put the money towards things that will better our own future. bailing out CEOs of failing companies so they can hang out in day spas and go on hunting trips is outrageous. and yet we LET them stay in power.

i personnally hav been on the phone with senators and reps of the state of illinois to make sure that they know my vote will not be given to them next election if they let Blagoviche(i know i spelled that wrong) stay as governor. 

we cant LET this happen any longer.

i for one am not against stimulus packages but for failing companies is just retarded. if gm and chrysler go under then it happens and someone will take their place. but bailing them out will not change their ways that is for sure.

the people in control, are the same people to who the debt is owed !
(they are either banks, or have "shared interests" with banks.)

that is why we are "officially" 10 trillion in debt, yet nobody has "collected".


the money is just paper !
it is as imaginary as their control !

the illuminati aren't going to do an imaginary collection of their imaginary debt,
bankrupting themselves !


they are trying to propose a new currency. that IS backed by a metal.
they will allow people to trade dollars, for the new currency.


the illuminati and their friends will get a 2 "old dollar" to 1 "new dollar" ratio.

middle management minions (MMM) will get a 4 to 1 trade in ratio.

the rest of us poor fools will likely get a 10 to 1 ratio !

some of us may get as bad as 15 to 1,
if we live in an area where little "economic activity" goes on.

i just realized.

"globalism" was expected to work. even though it depends on fiat currency !
because globalism needs a larger money supply than metals alone can provide.


they expected a system that requires fiat money, to work !
that is how out of touch with reality they are !

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Quote from: dsmer1991 on January 09, 2009, 02:02:31 AM
we just need to make sure that they dont run US into debt trying to sustain their lifestye or control. they keep talking about stimulus packages and the economy just keeps getting worse. they need stop cutting checks for HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars for their unrelentless spending on failing programs and put the money towards things that will better our own future. bailing out CEOs of failing companies so they can hang out in day spas and go on hunting trips is outrageous. and yet we LET them stay in power.

i personnally hav been on the phone with senators and reps of the state of illinois to make sure that they know my vote will not be given to them next election if they let Blagoviche(i know i spelled that wrong) stay as governor. 

we cant LET this happen any longer.

i for one am not against stimulus packages but for failing companies is just retarded. if gm and chrysler go under then it happens and someone will take their place. but bailing them out will not change their ways that is for sure.

Well said Sir!  I agree 100%

Bill

unfortunately you can't trust those guys. when they were trying to pass the 700 billion "tarp" fund stimulus they said they would buy up bad assets and i had a feeling they would take the money and run so i called up the reps and senators and said dont pass it and everyone was doing it but 2 weeks later the market crashed and evefryone called up and said they had to do something. i still called and said ride it out it would be fine don't pass the bill. but they did anyway and after it was passed Paul bernake(spelled wrong i am sure) said that they money would not be used to buy troubled assets but to openup credit and give banks capitol to lend.   But Guess What!!!! they used that capitol to give out huge bonuses and severance packages and Main street was not helped.  the govenrment put no regulation on the money and now it is gone and they are asking for more.


DON"T LET THEM GET IT! i have 2 kids and i dont feel they need to suffer with quadrillions of debt because some CEO needed another beach house.

the entire political system, is an illusion.
to trick us into thinking that we have a choice, in how things are run.

the US and europe are both serfdoms for rich people.
it is the same old system, with a thick coat of rose colored paint.



we could revolt.
we could clense every trace of their power from the earth.

but as long as we use currency instead of barter,
groups just like them would eventually reform.


because their power is based on the controllable "wealth-substitution", that currency represents.

and on artificial scarcity, which can be purposely inflicted through currency.



we must use a barter system, to prevent them !
we must use technology and generosity, to eliminate scarcity !

it is possible.
we just need enough imagination.


we must appreciate the imagination that we have.

instead of condemning it as "illogical",
in favor of doing the same old boring thing, instead.

Bull crap complete utter...

If they could do it when gas was a buck a gallon and wages were roughly the same as they are now why do they need this extra money?

You know why because they are screwing us over and trying to clean up debts that they made using poor leadership by having another hedge fund.

Man when will the cycle stop it is getting more and more worse by the minute.

PULL THE WOOL OFF YOUR EYELIDS FOLKS STAND UP FOR YOUR FREEDOM!

It occurs to the tax knowledgeable that if they're taxing you on your miles, then you can get a rebate for you gas for driving to and from work or for business purposes and the whole idea defeats itself at the federal income tax deductions level.

This is a no brainer - it's like the state laundering money from the federal government, either it will go national - and for the current price tag involved, not likely; and it will fall dead on the legislature floor.

Forget about the intrusion - the idea behind cost of doing business makes this vulnerable to tax deduction already available but hard to calculate and obscured by regulation.  The negative effect of lettling everyone know exactly how many miles they've gone, where they've gone and so forth means that they'll have to pony up a larger refund for commuters going to and from work; fact of the matter is, that they don't see many of these deductions as it stands and they may well wind up incurring debts rather than incomes.

Tracking the movement of people I suspect is likely their main interest here...profit would be secondary.

Regards...

Yeah loner...and unless people secure their own food source and supply they will be forced to accept the V chip in order to buy food from 'the man'.

Once I have my food supply in place I can certainly get by without getting chipped to buy their dollar store crap.

Any health issues can be handled with the Beck protocol, Rife and Crock devices and hemp oil.

Regards...

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on January 15, 2009, 08:54:12 AM
Yeah loner...and unless people secure their own food source and supply they will be forced to accept the V chip in order to buy food from 'the man'.

Once I have my food supply in place I can certainly get by without getting chipped to buy their dollar store crap.

Any health issues can be handled with the Beck protocol, Rife and Crock devices and hemp oil.

Regards...

..and once they find your food source, they'll attempt to tax it or replace it with other type of food, or require you to add things to it ...

I know it's not "on topic" but this
kinda fits in the category of pulling the wool off....
most of you probably have already been convinced but, this is a good little piece on chemtrails

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWxi7-NLFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWxi7-NLFI)


hey you should watch the new metallica video too CREEPY!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7o716_metallica-all-nightmare-long_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7o716_metallica-all-nightmare-long_music)

or just google "all nightmare long" by mettalica

its got Tunguska in it!!

For easy future reference PYRODIN123321, you should post that info over on the chemtrails thread also.

We will have to grow indoors jadaro2600...else our crops will be contaminated by GE spores.

Regards...

Absolutely weird.  And the strange thing is, they're auditioning for a zombie movie here in town...

Under martial law, there'll be no contesting anything they do.  It's military laws and we have no access to it.

Taxing someone by the mile is like putting a toll operator on your gas pedal.

The sensory overload from all of the latest news is intended to depress - the thing is, some people like it this way, like destruction, and like hearing about people die for oil and money.

Maybe they get high on it.

Barium carbonate, btw, its what makes fireworks green.  I stopped going to those shows because it's a constructive way of poisoning people.

The same said substance is used in mining for oil.

all the vicarious information can be addicting..... :o

UPDATE:  :o

Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge

By GLEN JOHNSON â€" Monday February 16, 2009
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSFVVWawIJRrWzFM1ICyVaVAy93wD96D9QHO0 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSFVVWawIJRrWzFM1ICyVaVAy93wD96D9QHO0)
BOSTON (AP) â€" A tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts' transportation system by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.

"It's outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen. Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just to keep track of it."

But a "Vehicle Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may unveil this week has already been tested â€" with positive results â€" in Oregon.

Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island, as well as the federal government, also are talking about such programs. And in North Carolina, a panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

"The Big Brother issue was identified during the first meeting of the task force that developed our program," said Jim Whitty, who oversees innovation projects for the Oregon Department of Transportation. "Everything we did from that point forward, even though we used electronics, was to eliminate those concerns."

A draft overhaul transport plan prepared for Gov. Deval Patrick says implementing a Vehicle Miles Traveled system to replace the gas tax makes sense. "A user-based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future," it says.

Patrick, who had yet to settle on any of the ideas contained in the draft, told reporters last week, "I like any idea that is faster, cheaper, simpler."

The idea behind the program is simple: As cars become more fuel efficient or powered by electricity, gas tax revenues decline. Yet the cost of building and maintaining roads and bridges is increasing. A state could cover that gap by charging drivers precisely for the mileage their vehicles put on public roads.

"There needs to be a new way of thinking about, `How do we pay for all of this?'" said Richard Dimino, president of A Better City, a business-friendly group that considers transportation issues.

"One of the ways is thinking about the automobile like a utility: When we turn on our automobile and use it, we would be charged like we do when we turn on the lights and we start using electricity."

In Oregon, the state paid volunteers who let the transportation department install GPS receivers in 300 vehicles. The device did not transmit a signal â€" which would allow real-time tracking of a driver's movements â€" but instead passively received satellite pings telling the receiver where it was in terms of latitude and longitude coordinates.

The state used those coordinates to determine when the vehicle was driving both within Oregon and outside the state. And it measured the respective distances through a connection with the vehicle's odometer.

When a driver pulled into a predetermined service station, the pump linked electronically with the receiver, downloaded the number of miles driven in Oregon and then charged the driver a fee based on the distance. The gas tax they would have paid was reduced by the amount of the user fee. Drivers continued to be charged gas tax for miles driven outside Oregon.

Under such systems, one of which is already used in London, drivers are charged more for entering a crowded area during rush hour than off-peak periods.

"What the mileage charge does, if it's structured properly, is simply charge for the basic responsibility of people to pay for the amount of wear they put on the state's roads," said Whitty, whose state is still considering the mechanics of broadening the program.

Quote from: goldenequity on February 17, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
UPDATE:  :o

Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge

By GLEN JOHNSON â€" Monday February 16, 2009
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSFVVWawIJRrWzFM1ICyVaVAy93wD96D9QHO0 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSFVVWawIJRrWzFM1ICyVaVAy93wD96D9QHO0)
BOSTON (AP) â€" A tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts' transportation system by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.

"It's outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen. Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just to keep track of it."

But a "Vehicle Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may unveil this week has already been tested â€" with positive results â€" in Oregon.

Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island, as well as the federal government, also are talking about such programs. And in North Carolina, a panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

"The Big Brother issue was identified during the first meeting of the task force that developed our program," said Jim Whitty, who oversees innovation projects for the Oregon Department of Transportation. "Everything we did from that point forward, even though we used electronics, was to eliminate those concerns."

A draft overhaul transport plan prepared for Gov. Deval Patrick says implementing a Vehicle Miles Traveled system to replace the gas tax makes sense. "A user-based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future," it says.

Patrick, who had yet to settle on any of the ideas contained in the draft, told reporters last week, "I like any idea that is faster, cheaper, simpler."

The idea behind the program is simple: As cars become more fuel efficient or powered by electricity, gas tax revenues decline. Yet the cost of building and maintaining roads and bridges is increasing. A state could cover that gap by charging drivers precisely for the mileage their vehicles put on public roads.

"There needs to be a new way of thinking about, `How do we pay for all of this?'" said Richard Dimino, president of A Better City, a business-friendly group that considers transportation issues.

"One of the ways is thinking about the automobile like a utility: When we turn on our automobile and use it, we would be charged like we do when we turn on the lights and we start using electricity."

In Oregon, the state paid volunteers who let the transportation department install GPS receivers in 300 vehicles. The device did not transmit a signal â€" which would allow real-time tracking of a driver's movements â€" but instead passively received satellite pings telling the receiver where it was in terms of latitude and longitude coordinates.

The state used those coordinates to determine when the vehicle was driving both within Oregon and outside the state. And it measured the respective distances through a connection with the vehicle's odometer.

When a driver pulled into a predetermined service station, the pump linked electronically with the receiver, downloaded the number of miles driven in Oregon and then charged the driver a fee based on the distance. The gas tax they would have paid was reduced by the amount of the user fee. Drivers continued to be charged gas tax for miles driven outside Oregon.

Under such systems, one of which is already used in London, drivers are charged more for entering a crowded area during rush hour than off-peak periods.

"What the mileage charge does, if it's structured properly, is simply charge for the basic responsibility of people to pay for the amount of wear they put on the state's roads," said Whitty, whose state is still considering the mechanics of broadening the program.

Wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper to tax the oil that goes into tires?   ::)

Quote from: Liberty on February 17, 2009, 09:54:17 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper to tax the oil that goes into tires?   ::)

Then they would go out of state to buy tires.

Quote from: jadaro2600 on February 17, 2009, 10:13:54 PM
Then they would go out of state to buy tires.

LOL...idiots...now people will just MOVE out of state to buy everything they used to buy in town. Everything they do makes their situation worse.