I have hesitated to release my "free energy" magnetic designs because out of nearly 7 billion people there are too many insane thugs out there. I just wanted to be safe, no risks, build them one day without anyone knowing that they're being built, and then hit the world with the extreme detailed documentation and videos using the guaranteed distribution method I've outlined at my forum, but that day will probably never arrive since I'm far too involved in diode array stuff. So perhaps one day soon, someone will build it, and with some hard work it will eventually work.
Anyhow, this may sound like theoretical stuff, but I've spent too much time on the magnetic theory to know better. Numerical analysis mathematics using conventional physics clearly shows an energy gain. There is just no getting around it! My magnetic theory, based on conventional physics mathematics, clearly shows where the energy comes from (ambient thermal energy), and how the device captures such energy. The only difficulty is in overcoming losses from friction, etc.
Here's Free Energy design #1 -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.0
Hopefully in a few weeks I'll create the animation for designs #2 and #3 and release them.
PL
Here is Free Energy design #2, which is a permanent magnet design -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.msg440#msg440
PL :)
overunity wimhurst for the win !
If I understand it correctly. You use the window of opportunity you have with lagging materials to force a changing flux through a coil, before said coil can react to the source of this change by impeding its motion? If you would see it per infinitesimal time unit. Then at one unit the flux is A,for instance, and at the next unit the flux is 100*A. But as a result this also would give a high EMF peak for 1 unit of time. Isn't this too little power to be useful? Unless you increase the frequency then that peak can become a steady voltage. Btw I have not used the fact that your black rods were powered, because I don't understand why in the way I understand it.
So is my understanding remotely correct?
Quote from: broliIf I understand it correctly. You use the window of opportunity you have with lagging materials to force a changing flux through a coil, before said coil can react to the source of this change by impeding its motion?
The magnetic viscosity is not for the coil, but to provide a window of opportunity to *increase* the magnetic field within the core in such a manner that would require ambient thermal energy more work to break the magnetic bonds. I know that probably sounds like a zip compressed sentence, and it is because it's too difficult to explain, even on a single sheet of paper using math because it requires mathematical numerical analysis to go over the details.
Quote from: broliIf you would see it per infinitesimal time unit. Then at one unit the flux is A,for instance, and at the next unit the flux is 100*A. But as a result this also would give a high EMF peak for 1 unit of time. Isn't this too little power to be useful? Unless you increase the frequency then that peak can become a steady voltage. Btw I have not used the fact that your black rods were powered, because I don't understand why in the way I understand it.
Actually the amount of power these designs should produce is considerable. A shoebox size device should be able to power a typical house. As for how much energy, it depends on the design you're talking about-- #1 or #2. In #1, the typical gained energy per event is equal to input energy times 1.2 to 1.6. That does not mean #1 is only 120% efficient. No, because if 80% of the energy is returned that went into magnetizing the core during 1/2 cycle (inductance), then the efficiency is 100% + 20% * (100% / [100% - 80%] ) =2600%. If you get back 90% of the energy from the inductors, then it comes to 300% efficient. Using 1.6 gain instead of 1.2 and we get 700% efficiency.
PL
wouldn't it be more efficient to transfer magnetic current through the 2 counter-spinning wheels of a sectorless wimhurst machine,
than through a questionable, dead weight iron core?
the wimhurst machines output would sustain the magnetic flux, as it passes through.
while the iron core would eat it up.
you could even cover both wimhurst wheels, with iron sheet metal.
if it has to be ferromagnetic.
Regarding Free Energy design #1, here's a quick outline of how it captures the ambient energy, but I'm pretty much waving my hands here. To make it easier, I would have to show the numerical analysis in person, and go over everything, but here goes nothing.
Magnetize a short ferrite rod using a copper coil. The rod length is the same as its diameter. The effective permeability is ~ 3.9 ish. The magnetic field within the material is say 1000 Gauss. Consider three of such ferrite rods that are separated from each other. Then quickly move all three rods right next to each other in magnetic attraction so they form one long rod. The net magnetic field within the center rod just immediately increased by 1.74 times before the rod has time to react.
Now here's the secret. Just because the magnetic field increased does not mean more ferromagnetic atoms are going to begin aligning. If you remove the voltage source from the coils then ambient thermal energy will begin to demagnetizing the material ***even though the magnetic field is 1.74 times greater than when it was magnetized with the coil.*** That means ambient thermal energy *must* work harder to demagnetize the cores.
This is very simple to see and understand in FEMM.
PL
hey Paul;
This is all way over my head but keep up the good work. I try to keep up with your threads, who knows some of it might sink in and I'll learn something.
Good Luck Pete
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 17, 2009, 05:47:46 PMThen quickly move all three rods right next to each other in magnetic attraction so they form one long rod. The net magnetic field within the center rod just immediately increased by 1.74 times ***before the rod has time to react***.
My above quote is a key area. If the three rods were moved at an ordinary rate, and of course you'll need to short the coils to passively retain the magnetic energy in the cores, then the ferromagnetic atoms will decrease at a rate relative to how close the other rods approach such that the end resulting field is the same, 1.0, instead of 1.74. The shorted coils consume no power, so lets say they are superconducting to simply the example.
The point is, as the three rods approach each other, the net permeability increases, and the ferrite rods want to maintain the same magnetic field.
If the net magnetic field from each separated rod is 1000 gauss (due to the coil), then there is X joules of energy released in the rod. Some of such energy goes into the form of heat (kinetic), some in the lattice and other areas (potential). When the field is removed, it requires ambient thermal energy to break the ferromagnetic bonds, which is why the magnetic material cools down.
This effect is known as MCE (Magnetocaloric effect). So, when the core magnetizes to
1000 gauss, there's X joules of energy added to the core from potential magnetic energy, but due to magnetic viscosity the core is suddenly 1000 * 1.74 =
1740 gauss, which requires 1.74 * X joules of ambient thermal energy to break the ferromagnetic atomic bonds. Per cycle there is a net loss of ambient thermal energy.
This is so clear cut and a guarantee! I'm telling you, anyone who builds such a machine, and if they can overcome the losses, and move the parts fast enough to overcome the magnetic viscosity, then it's a *guaranteed* "free energy" machine!PL
The Free Energy design #1 is simplified. A more complex design would include numerous small ferrite rods, that when moved together would form a *toroid.* The net gain magnetic field inside the toroid is over 2 times. That's an increase from 1.74 times (using three rods to form a longer rod).
In the end, you could say the key is -->
* Magnetic viscosity.
* Change in effective permeability.
PL
the spinning wheels of the wimhurst, would also be perfect for moving a magnet towards, through, and away from 2 other magnets.
each Pleiadian ship is more or less a giant wimhurst machine.
the giant mushroom head interior of their ships, even help propagate certain frequencies of sound.
to make their wimhurst-ship into an OVERUNITY wimhurst ship.
Quote from: vonwolf on January 17, 2009, 05:50:03 PM
hey Paul;
This is all way over my head but keep up the good work. I try to keep up with your threads, who knows some of it might sink in and I'll learn something.
Good Luck Pete
Thanks Pete! Trust me, it just seems difficult because I don't have the time or means to make a professional video documentary. If I had just say 30 minutes of your time in person, it would all seem so easy to you. It would make so much sense. You would say, "Wow, that's so simple." :)
PL
Quote from: nitinnun on January 17, 2009, 06:06:53 PMeach Pleiadian ship is more or less a giant wimhurst machine.
the giant mushroom head interior of their ships, even help propagate certain frequencies of sound.
I don't doubt you brother! Such technology is beyond me. I just want to take the guaranteed path. Present mathematics using conventional physics clearly shines the path. Ambient thermal energy is plentiful, with over one billion joules per cubic meter of common matter, all sustained by the Sun.
PL
Hi Paul,
Long time no see.
Still have the Meg core but working on the TPU now.
Surely if the input energy is heat extracted from the core material it will end up super cooling it to 0 degrees Kelvin and stop there.
Mind you, it would make a good cooling device - just need to stick it in a geothermal heat source.
I suppose you could use seawater and cool the core.
Ah-ha, a super-tanker powered by thermal heat extraction from the sea - hang on, who needs a super tanker anymore!
Global cooling here we come.
Regards
Rob
Paul,
Is your idea along the lines of Kunel's patent?
http://rechercheblog.de/wp-content/downloads/KunelPatent.pdf
Quote from: MeggerMan on January 17, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Hi Paul,
Long time no see.
Still have the Meg core but working on the TPU now.
Surely if the input energy is heat extracted from the core material it will end up super cooling it to 0 degrees Kelvin and stop there.
Mind you, it would make a good cooling device - just need to stick it in a geothermal heat source.
I suppose you could use seawater and cool the core.
Ah-ha, a super-tanker powered by thermal heat extraction from the sea - hang on, who needs a super tanker anymore!
Global cooling here we come.
Regards
Rob
Rob,
It would probably require the energy consumption of Los Angles county from a shoe box size device to become super cooled because of a simple effect known as thermal conductivity. That's why 5000HP x 3 = 15000 HP = 11.2 million watts tractor pull vehicles can maintain reasonably cooled from a radiator-- thermal conductivity.
Please read my post and you'll see that it has nothing to do with "cooling," but moving energy. There will be no global cooling from such technology. The device moves ambient thermal energy to the appliance, say your computer, the computer gives off heat to the environment, the heated environment maintains the devices temperature by thermal conductivity. No net heating or cooling. Perfect, clean, reusable energy.
PL
p.s., TPU? I'm working on diode arrays, and have proven they rectify ambient thermal energy.
Quote from: AhuraMazda on January 17, 2009, 10:10:25 PMPaul,
Is your idea along the lines of Kunel's patent?
http://rechercheblog.de/wp-content/downloads/KunelPatent.pdf
Thanks for the link. That's a solid state design, correct? Looks very interesting. The solid state design I'll post within a few days does not contain any PM's because I wanted to publish a simple design to show the heart of the concept.
PL
the cheapest way to look something, is with a peltier.
a solid state heat pump.
which moves temperature in one direction.
making one face hot, and the other face cold.
when pressed against a hot OR cold surface, the peltier even works in reverse.
turning the temperature into electricity.
i must be one of the few people, to have ever gotten electricity from a chunk of ice.......
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 17, 2009, 11:30:47 PM
Thanks for the link. That's a solid state design, correct? Looks very interesting. The solid state design I'll post within a few days does not contain any PM's because I wanted to publish a simple design to show the heart of the concept.
PL
I look forward to it.
To clarify, these Free Energy designs would work non-stop day and night, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year at any hospitable location on Earth. This technology is *not* about capturing energy from a heated or chilled area.
*All* matter contains ambient thermal energy *all* the time. Most matter on Earth contains a billion or more joules of energy per cubic meter. Water contains a lot more.
The Sun continually sustains the Earths ambient temperature. That's all this technology needs.
The room temperature makes hardly no difference in the amount of ambient thermal energy. For example, if the room temperature decreased from 75F to 49F then the ambient thermal energy is only 5% less. This means that this technology is good for any location, from the North Pole to the Death Valley.
Regards,
PL
I just uploaded some of my notes on magnetic materials in the forums database section -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=35.0
Please help by uploading helpful information related to magnetic materials.
PL
Hi,
I was going to spend some time drawing the animation for the solid state version, Free Energy design #3, to complete the published designs, but to make it look sufficient it requires a 3D magnetic program. It needs to be a planar design, and FEMM is 2D in planar mode. I quickly tried gmsh, which is 3D, but didn't see how to do a magnetic analysis. Does anyone know who to get gmsh to do 3D magnetic analysis, or perhaps another free 3D magnetic analysis program?
Thanks for any help,
PL
Hi Paul ,
very interested in your design and have a few questions and possible suggestions for construction.
I note that the all three coils are of the same dimension's is this correct? I note that you suggest measuring the 2 coils flux with a hall probe to ensure the flux is the same. May i add that another way to ensure both coils are the same would be to pulse them with the third in the middle. Then measure the pulse induced into the 2 neighbouring coils using 2 channels of a scope . The pulse induced and the back emf shown on your scope would cancel out when your 2 channels are compared together....
Now i am unclear on the mechanics, would the centre solunoid wobble in and out a bit like a electomecanical buzzer?
All the best, certainly a good thought exercise..
QuoteNow i am unclear on the mechanics, would the centre solunoid wobble in and out a bit like a electomecanical buzzer?
You're referring to design #1? Yes, but it must be a stop and go action. Although the middle rod does not have to move up, stop, move down, stop, move up, stop, etc as shown in the animation. It could for instance move upward and let another similar do the same thing. IOW, there could be three plastic discs where there are small rods bonded around the plastic discs, where the center disc would rotate clockwise, stop, rotate clockwise, stop, rotate clockwise, stop, etc.
PL
Craigy,
Your question inspired me to quickly draw the image found at -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.msg503#msg503
PL
This was just added to thread on design #1 -->
Quote from: PaulLowranceIt should be said that these simple drawings are not necessarily what should be made because such a mechanical design could be difficult to achieve. I'm trying my best to convey the principles of precisely how the ambient thermal energy is captured. My three plastic disc drawing is probably better. Perhaps there's some way of placing the rods on swivels so as to eliminate the plastic discs stop and go action. Perhaps making the rods rounded, and on swivels, so as they approach to align early on as the plastic disc is still spinning at a steady rate, which would mean the rods are aligned and in contact for a given time, and then all of a sudden the plastic disc will pull the rods apart. That would eliminate the need for the plastic disc to stop and go. Of course, such a design would mean there's only two plastic discs, not three. Two plastic discs only means the event of capturing the ambient thermal energy is less efficient, but it would still work.
PL
Ok got it, although i would make it simpler to start with..How about just one pair of coils and one disc. The 2 hard solunoids would be fixed to a base and a "Magazine" of say 4 soft rotating solunoids would rotate into the gap. i wonder if you could use a grass hopper escarpment powered by the fixed solunoids to drive the wheel around. just playing with the idea..
Thinking a bit more i see that in your 2 disc design everything switches or fires at once and all coils would essentially be wired in parrallel thus avoiding messy contacts that would be required on my brainstorming idea.
I have some reservations on the speeed this thing would have to spin at to beat the decay or time taken for the coil cores to go back to remanence, but that can be engineered..
You have some good ideas Craigy. I think you "get" the principle how the ambient thermal energy is captured. Understanding the underlining principle could save the designer a world of frustration and time. If there are still any questions about the principle then feel free to ask.
I would agree with you that the difficulty is in accelerating the rods fast enough. The desire to make this a small scale design is strong, but unfortunately the magnetic viscosity decreases with smaller scale. Unless one is extremely lucky or intuitive, it's probably best to do some magnetic viscosity measurements. See how small rods compare to large rods in terms of viscosity. Also that will give you an idea how fast the parts need to move.
You should find that a long rod will have more magnetic viscosity, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better because a long magnetic rod would have more losses.
PL
Edit: Added ", but unfortunately the magnetic viscosity decreases with smaller scale"
@ Paul
No free programs to mention of. And if you had access to any one of those programs in the World, they would not compute to an fe device, hence the vid link i post here. This aint a game of Chess. No PC program will help you validate builds, period. There are forces at work in this Universe that PC programmers dont program. KISS. Keep it Simple Stupid. Record ur work and show it. No billion dollar program can duplicate what u can build. Even if all you spent was 5 bucks at Walmart. Imagine that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctRvclIDOz8
If anyone has the means of easily creating the following experiment then the results would be a monumental moment in history -->
Test to Verify it Works!
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=198.0
Proving the magnetic theory:
Skeptics said my mathematical numerical analysis of the diode arrays would be failure, a joke, but 13 months of extensive diode array measurements taking strictest precautions has proven that passive diodes produce a DC voltage. The following experiment will prove that my magnetic theory is correct by ***cooling*** the magnetic material. The goal of the following experiment is not a self-running machine, but a machine that simple vibrates one magnetic rod back and forth at a high rate. If you can move the rod fast enough during each cycle, faster than the magnetic viscosity (a known effect), then the outer rods (high magnetic viscosity material) ***will cool down!***
PL
I agree, proof is of first importance. If a solenoid is fast enough, then it could be used for
either design to create the back/forth motion. Once you've got the timing set, then start
measuring either temperature or coil output. After a baseline is established you can start
trying different materials, coils, etc.
tak
Quote from: tak22 on January 20, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
I agree, proof is of first importance. If a solenoid is fast enough, then it could be used for
either design to create the back/forth motion. Once you've got the timing set, then start
measuring either temperature or coil output. After a baseline is established you can start
trying different materials, coils, etc.
tak
Thanks tak. You seem to have a good handle on such a task.
Some thoughts:
Making the black rods (high magnetic viscosity) -- A roll of carbon steel welding wire cut into segments, each coated with a thin layer of say paint, and then carefully grouped together to forum a laminated rod. Harbor Freight has a roll for $7 -->
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42917
The gray rod (low magnetic viscosity) could perhaps be cut from an *ultra* high frequency ferrite rod. Amidon sells ferrite rods. They're not exactly ultra high frequency, but should be good enough; e.g., Amidon part number R61-050-400 costs $7
https://www.amidoncorp.com
Perhaps someone knows of higher performance ferrite rods. IMO, one of the best choices is a piece of magnetite, but it would have to be cut into shape. You'll find people at metal detecting forums who will sell magnetite real cheap.
The first mechanical design in moving the gray rod could be aggressive since efficiency is not the first concern, where decreasing the gray rods temperature is. If it takes a lawnmower motor to achieve the task, then so be it, lol. Success will go down in history. The machine will be displayed in a historical museum.
PL
Quote from: Craigy on January 19, 2009, 06:34:45 PMThinking a bit more i see that in your 2 disc design everything switches or fires at once and all coils would essentially be wired in parrallel thus avoiding messy contacts that would be required on my brainstorming idea.
The coil for the gray rod will most likely require different amount of current than the black rods. Hopefully it would not take too long to adjust the currents to obtain optimum temperature drop.
PL
hi Paul.
I found this patent a year or so ago, when i was first looking at carnot cycles and magnets and their currie temps . It basically backs you ideas up, but does it in a slightly different way , in the patent there is a circulating ferro fluid...
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6725668&id=mS8QAAAAEBAJ&pg=RA1-PA1&dq=+magneto+calorific+effect+in+magnets#PPA1-IA1,M1
Thermodynamic cycles and method for generating electricity
Abstract
An apparatus for performing a thermodynamic cycle comprising: a sample having a ferromagnetic phase transition temperature; means to magnetise the sample above the ferromagnetic phase transition temperature of the sample; and means to cool the sample to a temperature that is below the ferromagnetic phase transition temperature thereof, wherein the demagnetisation of the sample whilst the sample is below the ferromagnetic phase transition temperature thereof causes the generation of an independent magnetic flux. Also disclosed is a method of converting energy, comprising the steps of: providing a sample having a ferromagnetic transition temperature; magnetising the sample while the sample is above the ferromagnetic transition temperature thereof; allowing the sample to demagnetise while the sample is below the ferromagnetic transition temperature thereof, the demagnetisation of the sample causing an independent magnetic flux; and converting at least some of the independent magnetic...
Paul,
Is solid magnetite a must have? Could a DIY cast rod of magnetite sand and resin work well enough?
tak
Hi Craigy,
Ferrofluids are great. In the magnetic database area of my forum there's a ferrofluid thread that contains a bunch of videos of ferrofluids. It's amazing stuff. In conventionaly physics, ferrofluid is considered superparamagnetic.
I wonder how how much magnetic viscosity ferrofluids would have. ... It's not that difficult to make the stuff. See the ferrofluid thread for a video that shows you how to make it -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=35.0
PL
Quote from: tak22 on January 20, 2009, 01:58:04 PMPaul,
Is solid magnetite a must have? Could a DIY cast rod of magnetite sand and resin work well enough?
tak
There should be a lot of different materials that would work. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit biased in this because of the years spent designing GPR's for gold nugget hunting, so I love magnetite. Although natural occurring magnetite varies a great deal in permeability. Typically it has a permeability of around 25000, but what makes it great for ultra high frequency is that it's ultra high electrical resistivity, even at the atomic scale. One of my old metal detecting friends once told me that the magnetic material found in the electron deflecting gun in CRT's is even better.
As you described, taking fine magnetite powder and then compacting that into a *small* amount of bonding agent to form a rod could work. The only difficulty would be in compressing it enough to achieve sufficient magnetic density.
PL
BTW, magnetite is Fe3O4. Rather than using a PM to grab some from the backyard, it's probably better to buy some from a chemical lab. Not sure about now, but it used to be dirt cheap, no pun intended. :)
PL
One reason for not grabbing some magnetite from the backyard is because you have to be careful not to get hematite (Fe2O3), which is magnetically weak. I guess if the PM was placed high enough from the dirt, that only the magnetite would fly up to the PM, and thus most of the material would be magnetite, hopefully.
PL
Here's a new animation and the thoughts behind the new design #1 v4c
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=198.msg525#msg525
PL
custom ferrite rods http://www.magneticsgroup.com/ inquire about cut offs
not a bad read if ur into path yields the highest effective permeability and lowest flux leakage of any shape. http://www.ferronics.com/catalog/Toroids.pdf
and for the hard metal http://www.mumetal.com/index.html , one of the best companys around that will treat you like a person, even for small orders, again, ask about cut off's.
I hope my non sense helps and good luck.
oops, i forgot to mention , if i new what country u were in i could save u on shippn, :)
The topic of this thread is "Magnetic "Free Energy" designs released - finally!"
At great interest I started reading and hoped the topic was true for once. ;D
But I was sadly disappointed by Pauls initial post.
As usual it was just somebodys imagination and thoughts that was posted. >:(
It wasn't the real deal with hard facts and real blueprints on a confirmed overunity device.
The chanses of this proposal really being overunity is nill and zilch. :'(
Sorry Paul, stick to your diode array idea. :-\
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 17, 2009, 02:06:01 PM
I have hesitated to release my "free energy" magnetic designs because out of nearly 7 billion people there are too many insane thugs out there. I just wanted to be safe, no risks, build them one day without anyone knowing that they're being built, and then hit the world with the extreme detailed documentation and videos using the guaranteed distribution method I've outlined at my forum, but that day will probably never arrive since I'm far too involved in diode array stuff. So perhaps one day soon, someone will build it, and with some hard work it will eventually work.
Anyhow, this may sound like theoretical stuff, but I've spent too much time on the magnetic theory to know better. Numerical analysis mathematics using conventional physics clearly shows an energy gain. There is just no getting around it! My magnetic theory, based on conventional physics mathematics, clearly shows where the energy comes from (ambient thermal energy), and how the device captures such energy. The only difficulty is in overcoming losses from friction, etc.
Here's Free Energy design #1 -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.0
Hopefully in a few weeks I'll create the animation for designs #2 and #3 and release them.
PL
Quote from: Ergo on January 21, 2009, 07:38:53 AM
The topic of this thread is "Magnetic "Free Energy" designs released - finally!"
At great interest I started reading and hoped the topic was true for once. ;D
But I was sadly disappointed by Pauls initial post.
As usual it was just somebodys imagination and thoughts that was posted. >:(
It wasn't the real deal with hard facts and real blueprints on a confirmed overunity device.
The chanses of this proposal really being overunity is nill and zilch. :'(
Sorry Paul, stick to your diode array idea. :-\
Boy, the negs are sure out attacking this one. Perhaps my mathematics is spot on.
The prediction made according to my diode mathematics was correct that diodes *must* rectify ambient thermal energy. I'm one for one, so I deserve a chance to see if my magnetic theory is correct. For design #1, the mathematics is so simple and clear that I don't see how it could be incorrect.
BTW, I've never released my magnetic "free energy" designs before, just examples so as to understand the theory.
PL
Ferrofluid is a good idea actually, and I would predict that some recipes could have extraordinarily high magnetic viscosity if the magnetic particles are large enough. Ferrofluid is often made with magnetic powder and oil mixed together. Each magnetic particle in the powder must have a non-magnetic layer, so the magnetic particles do not clump together. My advice is not to make the magnetic viscosity too high, otherwise it will be so slow that the copper wire will have too much electrical resistance for such a low frequency, but a good copper coil should be able to handle down to at least 60Hz, so it's highly unlikely the ferrofluid would have that much magnetic viscosity.
The only drawback to ferrofluid is low permeability, but just how low is unknown.
Some videos on ferrofluids:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=181.0
PL
Someone needs to take a basic physics course (thermodynamics 101) before theoretically “validating†the results of no-matter-what simulations.
This thread is another big disappointment but no bigger than others. ;)
Ask for real proofs and watch out for empty words: your mind is about to be indoctrinated.
Sorry guys,
Good luck!
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 21, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
Perhaps my mathematics is spot on.
No, I don't think so. You don't know all variables involved. Once you actually build the device
you will discover so many more variables that is affecting the final outcome.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 21, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
The prediction made according to my diode mathematics was correct that diodes *must* rectify ambient thermal energy.
So far there is only your own claims on this. Until there is successful and independent replications I stay undecided.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 21, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
For design #1, the mathematics is so simple and clear that I don't see how it could be incorrect.
It's clear to yourself in your own imaginary mathematical world.
I will stand by my opinion of you not really having covered all variables in your mathematics.
It's not very serious or clever to state OU by an homemade unverified formula without having any hardware.
I'm 100% sure you've got nothing going on here.
Quote from: Ergo on January 21, 2009, 12:10:40 PM
No, I don't think so. You don't know all variables involved. Once you actually build the device
you will discover so many more variables that is affecting the final outcome.
So far there is only your own claims on this. Until there is successful and independent replications I stay undecided.
It's clear to yourself in your own imaginary mathematical world.
I will stand by my opinion of you not really having covered all variables in your mathematics.
It's not very serious or clever to state OU by an homemade unverified formula without having any hardware.
I'm 100% sure you've got nothing going on here.
Quote from: tinu on January 21, 2009, 12:09:40 PM
Someone needs to take a basic physics course (thermodynamics 101) before theoretically “validating†the results of no-matter-what simulations.
This thread is another big disappointment but no bigger than others. ;)
Ask for real proofs and watch out for empty words: your mind is about to be indoctrinated.
Boy, the negs are sure out in full force. What does that mean? ;D
PL
p.s., You're try to hard, negs.
BTW, Tom Schum has recently acknowledged that his 1N34A diode array measurements were conclusive in that the diode array produced a DC voltage, which is what I have been telling Tom. I told Tom the next step for his diode measurements would have been to take it to rural areas. I have taken my diode array to various rural areas, from inside mountains to between canyons, buried two feet in the ground with only the fiber optic cable coming out of the ground, all while contained in metal shielding, up to three layers metal shields (medium, large, extra large). For 13 months I have always measured a DC voltage on the diode array. A lot of the measurements were taken with the diode array inside an oil bath. I've used dozens of voltage meters. The diode array has produced up to 204uV DC. :)
Also, an anonymous person on my forum has claimed to replicated my 156 diode array, and tested by their senior EE at the company he works for. They measured a clear DC voltage on an expensive Keithley voltage meter.
CMB claims his 1993 THz diode array produce 100mV in a metal shielded environment while inside an oil bath.
That's three for three confirmations, yet it's still being ignored. Is the "free energy" community being guided into fake designs? There sure are a lot of people who find the need to spend time debunking. From day one of my research I have stated that I will not accept money donations and that my full intent is to help the world.
PL
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Small signal semiconductor modeling mathematics using the best know physics equations, which is based on quantum physics, clearly shows that diodes *must* rectify ambient thermal energy. Even the acclaimed genious, Mike Engelhardt, creator of the LTspice for the large corporation Linear Technology Inc, has said that I am correct that the mathematics shows diodes would rectify Johnson noise.
Has and is humanity being bamboozled, slight of hand guidance? Oh these people hate me with a passion. They can continue threatening me in private all they wish. I will never give up until I'm buried 6 feet under!
PL
Here is the solid-state design, Free Energy design #3 -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.0
Hopefully legit researchers will save this image just to be safe. If for some reason my tune suddenly changes, then please verify my IP to see if it originates near LAX airport in southern California. My emails contain my IP address by means of Google email. You can use a simple online tool such as -->
http://www.geoiptool.com
to find the nearest location. Too many insane people around the world corrupted from power, $. The only reason for saying this now is because the house phone has been ringing at various different hours lately. Who knows, it could be a common thief, as that's a known method to see if there's any pattern when people are home. So, the method of capturing ambient thermal energy is outlined at my forum. It's straight forward. That will not change.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 21, 2009, 01:56:48 PM
Here is the solid-state design, Free Energy design #3 -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.0
Hopefully legit researchers will save this image just to be safe. If for some reason my tune suddenly changes, then please verify my IP to see if it originates near LAX airport in southern California. My emails contain my IP address by means of Google email. You can use a simple online tool such as -->
http://www.geoiptool.com
to find the nearest location. Too many insane people around the world corrupted from power, $. The only reason for saying this now is because the house phone has been ringing at various different hours lately. Who knows, it could be a common thief, as that's a known method to see if there's any pattern when people are home. So, the method of capturing ambient thermal energy is outlined at my forum. It's straight forward. That will not change.
PL
PaulLowrance
Design 3 looks interesting to me.
I think that the hard part about getting it to work would be in the coil switching circuits. '
What about simplifying it by using a high and a low voltage like in the the water arc threads?
Why not collect the HV as flyback from another coil?. .........or maybe flyback from your driving coils
The LV would be in effect a bias voltage on the coils to set up a magnetic field in your cores for the HV to " kick"
This might be easier to do than I originally thought ., What happens when you drive your input coils with a simple saw tooth waveform?
gary
Hi Paul and others
In my time i have had the privilege of talking to a phd in physics about carnot engines and amoungst other things Steorns Orbo. It is interesting to note that Pauls train of thought is not far removed from the subject of this chat i had over 2 years ago about possible mechanisims to expalin the workings of an orbo. At this time we had not had the confirmation from Steorn that there were Not enough Magnetiocalorific effects to account for what was being observed.
What you have described below is the essence of the write up which I gave you. What is not described is what happens next. The state of the stator has to be "reset" in order for it to attract the next rotor magnet in. This happens by the action of thermal energy. After the escape, the stator magnet is in a highly structured state. Unless it is reset into a more random state, it cannot pull in the next rotor magnet. A good analogy is an ice cube floating in water. The ice cube is structured. The water molecules bang into it and gradually break down the structure, until eventually all the structure is gone. Afterwards, the entire mass of the water is COLDER - this is the physical consequence of breaking down the structure. One could make up all kinds of fancy thermodynamic equations to represent this, but if you use the water and ice analogy it is intuitively obvious that the action of breaking down the structure results in a reduction in temperature.
Because you get a huge amount of mechanical energy fom a small amount of heat, then the temperature change may be hardly noticeable at first. Especially if the context is a motor with a large area rotating and moving air around, heat will be exchanged with the air and that will warm the stator so that it is reset for the next activity.
If what we are describing is an Orbo device, it is certainly not free energy. On the other hand it could be a really useful contrivance which might change the course of human history. If Steorn could be persuaded to accept that they have a new class of heat engine, then the world could get on with a powerful new tool to fight global warming.
The most well known class of heat engine is the Carnot cycle, which uses two heat reservoirs and extracts mechanical energy as heat moves from one to the other. The device which we are discussing instead has a built in temperature reference, which is the temperature below which magnetic viscosity stops working. Left to operate in say, a Dewar flask, the device will operate until the rotor is cooled to that temperature and then stop. If you provide heat and warm up the rotor, it will carry on working.
This does not seem to violate any of the laws of thermodynamics, and it involves conservation of energy. (But it is a new class of heat engine which did not exist before) It could be amazingly useful - I still find this incredible to contemplate, but one of these motors equipped with a fan would keep going indefinitely, pulling heat out of the atmosphere as it tried to achieve its built in equilibrium temperature.
So there you have it , a man far more qualified than humble little me , ( and more eloquent) can see a device such as paul describes is posible. Although we are not talking about a true free energy machine since it is taking energy from a known source it is close enough for me...lol
Now this design is not chasing rainbows, but required a lot of material study before a prototype can be put together. One needs to know the bh curves of your materials to know when your core materials have returned to reminence. then perhaps you can think of a timing mechanisim. now off to look for some data on how to calculate magnetocalorific temperature drops, the worse than can happen is that i end up with a fridge lol....
Hi Craigy,
Quote from: Craigy on January 21, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
In my time i have had the privilege of talking to a phd in physics about carnot engines and amoungst other things Steorns Orbo. It is interesting to note that Pauls train of thought is not far removed from the subject of this chat i had over 2 years ago about possible mechanisims to expalin the workings of an orbo. At this time we had not had the confirmation from Steorn that there were Not enough Magnetiocalorific effects to account for what was being observed.
It's not possible to know how much energy is exchanged during Magnetocaloric effect from just a change in temperature. One would also need to know the change in specific heat capacity due to the change in magnetic field, which would make a significant difference at ambient temperature (so-called thermal equilibrium). Lets consider an example of magnetic material below Curie temperature at ambient temperature. When the magnetic field is applied, potential energy is released, but most (not all) of such energy goes into various areas such as the lattices, magnetocrystalline anisotropy, etc. Even though there's a significant release of potential energy with the increase in applied magnetic field, most of it's not translated into a change in temperature. If Steorn said the equated energy from Magnetocaloric effect is insufficient, and they made no reference to taking sensitive specific heat capacity measurements, then such information is unfortunately meaningless.
Quote from: Craigy on January 21, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
What you have described below is the essence of the write up which I gave you. What is not described is what happens next. The state of the stator has to be "reset" in order for it to attract the next rotor magnet in. This happens by the action of thermal energy. After the escape, the stator magnet is in a highly structured state. Unless it is reset into a more random state, it cannot pull in the next rotor magnet. A good analogy is an ice cube floating in water. The ice cube is structured. The water molecules bang into it and gradually break down the structure, until eventually all the structure is gone. Afterwards, the entire mass of the water is COLDER - this is the physical consequence of breaking down the structure. One could make up all kinds of fancy thermodynamic equations to represent this, but if you use the water and ice analogy it is intuitively obvious that the action of breaking down the structure results in a reduction in temperature.
Because you get a huge amount of mechanical energy fom a small amount of heat, then the temperature change may be hardly noticeable at first. Especially if the context is a motor with a large area rotating and moving air around, heat will be exchanged with the air and that will warm the stator so that it is reset for the next activity.
If what we are describing is an Orbo device, it is certainly not free energy. On the other hand it could be a really useful contrivance which might change the course of human history. If Steorn could be persuaded to accept that they have a new class of heat engine, then the world could get on with a powerful new tool to fight global warming.
I'm not sure what type of device you're describing there. If the device captures energy from ambient thermal energy per cycle, then it would definitely violate the 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
Quote from: Craigy on January 21, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
The most well known class of heat engine is the Carnot cycle, which uses two heat reservoirs and extracts mechanical energy as heat moves from one to the other. The device which we are discussing instead has a built in temperature reference, which is the temperature below which magnetic viscosity stops working. Left to operate in say, a Dewar flask, the device will operate until the rotor is cooled to that temperature and then stop. If you provide heat and warm up the rotor, it will carry on working.
This does not seem to violate any of the laws of thermodynamics, and it involves conservation of energy. (But it is a new class of heat engine which did not exist before) It could be amazingly useful - I still find this incredible to contemplate, but one of these motors equipped with a fan would keep going indefinitely, pulling heat out of the atmosphere as it tried to achieve its built in equilibrium temperature.
So there you have it , a man far more qualified than humble little me , ( and more eloquent) can see a device such as paul describes is posible. Although we are not talking about a true free energy machine since it is taking energy from a known source it is close enough for me...lol
We must be talking about two different devices. In reference to my Free Energy devices (1 through 3), they would produce continuous power 24 hours per day, 365 days per year at any hospitable location on Earth while *not* requiring any macro scale temperature gradients. That is called a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, and clearly violates the 2nd laws of thermodynamics. May I ask what device you were referring to?
PL
Quote from: resonanceman on January 21, 2009, 07:14:13 PM
PaulLowrance
Design 3 looks interesting to me.
I think that the hard part about getting it to work would be in the coil switching circuits. '
What about simplifying it by using a high and a low voltage like in the the water arc threads?
Why not collect the HV as flyback from another coil?. .........or maybe flyback from your driving coils
The LV would be in effect a bias voltage on the coils to set up a magnetic field in your cores for the HV to " kick"
This might be easier to do than I originally thought ., What happens when you drive your input coils with a simple saw tooth waveform?
gary
Hi Gary,
I'm not a big fan of HV, unless absolutely necessary because in order for it to be half way efficient one needs to use relatively thick electrically insulated wire with HV breakdown. Also, more windings equates to more parallel capacitance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I prefer high current over high voltage. MOSFET's are our friends. ;) If there's too much losses in one MOSFET, then place two MOSFET's in parallel, or three, or four, until the losses are low enough. Just make sure the MOSFET's are properly driven and it will be great.
Can you tell, I love MOSFET's. ;D
PL
Notes on BH curves: The BH curve of magnetic material drastically changes from one extreme of an open magnetic loop (e.g., a rod) to the other extreme of a completely closed magnetic loop (e.g., toroid). For most non-PM magnetic materials, the BH curve is relatively flat (linear, not square) for completely open cores such as a rod, but the same material formed in a toroid could have a BH curve well over 90% square. For cores with high permeability, even the slightest air gap in two U shaped cores will most likely produce a flat BH curve, but when pressed *tightly* together to form a solid closed core could show a square curve. Only materials with extremely high coercivity such as PM's have a square BH curve even when the rod length to diameter ratio is low.
The same applies to *effective* permeability. For example, a Metglas material may have an effective permeability of 80000 in toroid shape (close magnetic loop), but may have an effective permeability of just 6 in the shape of a short rod.
PL
Paul,
I cannot understand the rational that you are too busy to build a device as you describe that would essentially give you the rest of your life off
if you sold the prototype that ¨works¨
Ofcourse you must be too busy with your diode array as you say, however something does not add up to my thinking ?
Cheers
Dean
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on January 22, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
Paul,
I cannot understand the rational that you are too busy to build a device as you describe that would essentially give you the rest of your life off
if you sold the prototype that ¨works¨
Ofcourse you must be too busy with your diode array as you say, however something does not add up to my thinking ?
Cheers
Dean
This is too funny. I hope legit people are taking note to all of the potshots.
Anyhow, the answer is simple. The mathematics for the magnetic research has shown it's most likely very difficult to overcome the losses. Diode research is a guarantee! The diode arrays are considered infinite efficiency since no voltage source is required.
All that's left is to come up with an inexpensive easy method of making semiconductor fabrication equipment that anyone could build to make their own diode array *chips* that could power their home and beyond. They could be the hero of the block by selling inexpensive chips to the neighbor.
PL
Question on coating metal wire:
Someone was asking a good, but simple method of coating the MIG welding wire. The welding wire comes copper coated. After a bit of thought, using a spray can of paint would work, but it's a bit awkward in that the wire would have to be pre-cut and lined up for painting. It would be nicer to have a brush or sponge, and then simple bush/wipe a coating on the wire before cutting the wire off the spool. That way, the coated wire could be positioned inside and then cut to correct length. If the wire needs to be cut before hand, then it will need to be cut extra long because once the wire is positioned into place it needs to be cut to exact length.
In short, spray can method would waste some wire. So, what kind of liquid would work best in coating the MIG wire? Some sort of a varnish? Or perhaps acrylic paint? Or a stain? Something that is found at a local hardware store is recommended.
Also, this method should be quick drying because the person needs to make hundreds of small MIG wires to form the core.
Thanks,
PL
Also I thought that oxidizing the copper would be a good idea, but that's probably a bad idea because even the slightest exposed steel would begin to oxidize.
So far the acrylic paint seems best. It dries within minutes. It's flexible and tough.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 02:36:10 PM
The mathematics for the magnetic research has shown it's most likely very difficult to overcome the losses.
That's funny. You blame me for being "a neg" when I simply told you that you don't know all the variables yet,
and therefore you cannot (in all logic sense) have compiled a successful mathematical Overunity Fomula.
Now you've said it yourself "
most likely very difficult" and this nails it. Your statement of having found
and released "Free Energy designs" by your own "imaginary" formula was all wrong from the beginning.
Please test and verify your claims by actual hardware before making any OU statements in the future.
That will save us all some time so we can focus on stuff that really matters.
Quote from: Ergo on January 22, 2009, 04:29:44 PM
Now you've said it yourself "most likely very difficult" and this nails it. Your statement of having found
and released "Free Energy designs" by your own "imaginary" formula was all wrong from the beginning.
No, I use math equations from conventional physics. BTW, you said a lot more than that. You went on and on how I have nothing, zilch, and on and on. You even threw in some doubt about my diode research. You offer me know harm what so ever. It's only society that you harm.
Quote from: Ergo on January 22, 2009, 04:29:44 PMPlease test and verify your claims by actual hardware before making any OU statements in the future.
Please don't tell me what to do. I have every right to post information. The math for this Free Energy design #1 is very clear. I was correct about the diode arrays. I would not have made the claim if it were not a guarantee that Free Energy design #1 would work.
Quote from: Ergo on January 22, 2009, 04:29:44 PMThat will save us all some time so we can focus on stuff that really matters.
What might that be, your hand waving style of physics? That's not science.
PL
Since my predictions have all come true so far, I'll make another. That *nobody* will build my any of my Free Energy design. :) The same old tactics, which consists of a few people pretending to show some interest, saying or insinuating they're going to build it, but nothing happens. In my diode thread in this forum and in my personal message folder there are about a half dozen people who said they'll replicate my diode array. LOL, as expected nothing happened. Trust me, you're not hurting me in the slightest. I don't get my feelings hurt, ever. I am here to give of myself, service to others, and I have infinite patience, and will slowly but surely succeed. :)
PL
Tak22 sent me a private message showing a magnetic viscosity meter -->
http://www.geophyz.com/
One problem with that meter is that you can't control the magnetic field strength, which makes a huge difference on the magnetic lag. These type of meters typically use small magnetic fields.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 01:06:13 AM
Hi Craigy,
It's not possible to know how much energy is exchanged during Magnetocaloric effect from just a change in temperature. One would also need to know the change in specific heat capacity due to the change in magnetic field, which would make a significant difference at ambient temperature (so-called thermal equilibrium). Lets consider an example of magnetic material below Curie temperature at ambient temperature. When the magnetic field is applied, potential energy is released, but most (not all) of such energy goes into various areas such as the lattices, magnetocrystalline anisotropy, etc. Even though there's a significant release of potential energy with the increase in applied magnetic field, most of it's not translated into a change in temperature. If Steorn said the equated energy from Magnetocaloric effect is insufficient, and they made no reference to taking sensitive specific heat capacity measurements, then such information is unfortunately meaningless.
I'm not sure what type of device you're describing there. If the device captures energy from ambient thermal energy per cycle, then it would definitely violate the 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
We must be talking about two different devices. In reference to my Free Energy devices (1 through 3), they would produce continuous power 24 hours per day, 365 days per year at any hospitable location on Earth while *not* requiring any macro scale temperature gradients. That is called a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, and clearly violates the 2nd laws of thermodynamics. May I ask what device you were referring to?
PL
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Sorry Paul , i didn´t want to take this thread off topic, and you are right in that i was speculating to my Dr. of physics about the steorn orbo and whether magneto calorific effects were playing a part in its operation, i guess the jury is out on that score..the main focas of the debate was on what happens in a magnet to magnet transaction with helpings sv. When i look at your designs , i see a lot of similar questions although you are using an oncoming field from a coil rather than an approaching magnet...I am thinking of investigating a little further when time permits.
> Now if we have removed the field quickly enough that we have escaped quicker than the sv lag time.( time in seconds required by material to return to retentivity ) the domains are in the stressed state that they were in before , but now there is no field to help them return to retentivity, so the magnets will reverse the magneto calorific effect, i.e. it will suck in thermal energy from the surroundings to enable the material to return to retentivity.
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> . Here is a good analogy. When you orientate all those domains in one direction, you have put some structure into the material. Thermodynamics lets you quantify the heat consequences of this using the concept of entropy. More entropy corresponds to more disorder, less entropy to more structure. A relevant analogy is an ice cube in a glass of water. The ice cube is chemically the exact same stuff as the water, but it is structured. (just like the domains in the ferromagnet) The water molecules will do their normal thing threshing around due to the effects of heat, and as they collide with the structure of the ice cube, they knock bits off it until the whole thing is reduced back to water again. When all is said and done, the glass contains only water. But without some outside influence, the temperature of the water is colder than it was before the water worked on the ice cube. By destroying the structure, the water has become colder â€" heat has been taken out of it.
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> Going back to the analogy of the ferromagnet, the heat energy in the solid vibrates all the molecules around and gradually disorganizes them. So quite spontaneously, the material relaxes back to its starting state, but when this is all over the material is a little colder. If you want to do this again, you have to supply some heat. In an experiment with an Orbo, currents of air in the room could easily provide enough heat to reset the material so that after a short while it could repeat the Sv transaction all over again. You made the good observation above that the initial approach of the magnet will generate some heat. This will be balanced by the loss of heat when the material relaxes after the departure of the magnet.
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> I have an intuition that because of hysteresis, the cooling effect may not be as much as the original heating effect. In other words, the material has actually heated up slightly by the magnet coming in fast and going out slow. We actually lose energy overall.
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The trouble with Steorn's experiments is, that only a tiny amount of heat can make a huge amount of mechanical energy. (I remember that you have one of those little demonstration Carnot cycle engines, which start running when you put your finger on them.) So in order to keep track of the accounting between heat and mechanical energy, you have to be quite fanatical in watching out for the tiniest temperature difference.
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Hi,
Quote from: Craigy on January 22, 2009, 05:47:00 PMIf you want to do this again, you have to supply some heat. In an experiment with an Orbo, currents of air in the room could easily provide enough heat to reset the material so that after a short while it could repeat the Sv transaction all over again.
I'm not sure what you're referring to there. Perhaps a different design? In my designs there's no requirement of heated air. A field from the coil is applied, which causes the material to magnetize, which releases energy in the form of heat and various other areas such as due to magnetocrystalline anisotropy. This is due to MCE. Lets say the net field in the material is 5000 Gauss. No more than 1/4th of that field is caused by the coils current. When the coil field is removed, and when the other magnetized rod moves into place, the net magnetic field is greater than 5000 Gauss. The amount depends on the exact design, but is typically anywhere between 1.7 to over 2 times. If it's 1.7 times, then the net field in the core is 5000*1.7 = 8500 Gauss. It is well known that when the magnetic field is removed, the core temperature drops because it requires ambient thermal energy to increase the disorder-- MCE. Since the field is 1.7 times higher, it requires significantly more ambient thermal energy to break the ferromagnetic bonds due to the increase field to increase the disorder.
PL
Edit: Changed a bunch of stuff.
Here's a thought. Perhaps hairspray will do a great job at coating the MIG welding wire. Hairspray is flexible, tough, and dries almost instantly. Oh well, this method of pre-cutting the welding wires and lining them up to be sprayed/coated will waste a small amount of MIG wire because once the wires are coated, then they will need to be bent to form the core, placed into position, and trimmed.
Should I recommend scented hairspray. ;D
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 03:03:36 PM
Question on coating metal wire:
Someone was asking a good, but simple method of coating the MIG welding wire. The welding wire comes copper coated. After a bit of thought, using a spray can of paint would work, but it's a bit awkward in that the wire would have to be pre-cut and lined up for painting. It would be nicer to have a brush or sponge, and then simple bush/wipe a coating on the wire before cutting the wire off the spool. That way, the coated wire could be positioned inside and then cut to correct length. If the wire needs to be cut before hand, then it will need to be cut extra long because once the wire is positioned into place it needs to be cut to exact length.
In short, spray can method would waste some wire. So, what kind of liquid would work best in coating the MIG wire? Some sort of a varnish? Or perhaps acrylic paint? Or a stain? Something that is found at a local hardware store is recommended.
Also, this method should be quick drying because the person needs to make hundreds of small MIG wires to form the core.
Thanks,
PL
Paul
I have been thinking about ways to coat wire .
Building a wire coater is on my to do list .
I have a motor that is out of a microwave ,....... it is the one that turns the plate .
I am not real sure that I can explain how to make the coater but I will try .
starting with 2 cylinders that are just big enough to fit into the center of the coil of wire to be coated
The cylinders should be mounted horizontally at least 5 or 8 ft apart ..... they will both be driven by a shaft that is connected to the microwave turntable motor
The shaft between the cylinders should be around 6 to 8 inches above the cylinders
The cylinders should be mounted on the insides of support beams ......the cogs or pullys driving the cylinders should be on the outsides of the support beams .
The coil of wire will be placed on one of the cylinders .
Both the cylinders will be rotated .
The wire will " roll " off the inner edge of the cylinder .
A set of wheels or something will have to be used to keep the whole coil from sliding off the cylinder .
I am planning on using roller blade wheels....
As the cylinders are rotated ........ the wire will roll past the roller blade wheels still keeping its shape ......it will be like a rolling slinky .
Just after the end of the first cylinder there would be a small trough of what you plan on coating the wires with .
I plan on using shellac for the most part ......but paint would work too .
As the cylinder rotates the wire "slinky " will rotate through the trough of paint and then droop down
It can be ran just hanging there a short time .........then a sting needs to be attached to the end ....The end of the wire must be bent to the center of the " slinky " if it is to continue to rotate smoothly .
The slack in the sting will need to be taken up every few minutes ........untill there is enough " slinky " coated to reach the sencond cylinder .
The cylinders should be rotated slow enough and the cylinders should be far enough apart so that the wire has dried by the time it gets to the second cylinder .
The end of the wire should be attached to the outer edge of the second cylinder .
The skateboard wheel will catch the wire as it rotates past
Once the end of the wire is secured the whole coil should simply rotate from one cylinder to the other . .....
The only thing to watch for is running out of what you are coating it with and the end of the wire falling off the first cylinder and hitting the ground while it is still wet .
When it is all done you will end up with a loosely wound coil of coated wire slightly larger in diameter than what you started with.
Some of my knowledge of how this can work comes from running a wire draw machine years ago .
We welded the wire up to the next coil as the machine ran ......the weld went through the machine and started the next coil without stopping Of course you have to make sure that the end hasn't slipped under another loop of wire .....if it did you end up with a knot .
I have coated a little bit of wire by rotating it by hand through a trough of shellac
Because the wire is rotating while it dries the coating is pretty smooth .......unless it touches something before it is dry
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gary
Thanks for wealth of info Gary. That's an elaborate design. The only thing is it needs to work for steel wire, so it's more difficult to bend. For steel, it may be easier just to dip the wire by hand, unless one is going to be making a lot of "free energy" devices.
Thanks for telling me about shellac. A little reading at wikipedia shows this is a good choice. I wondering if hairspray has any shellac or something compound. Do you know how fast shellac dries?
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 01:27:19 AM
Hi Gary,
I'm not a big fan of HV, unless absolutely necessary because in order for it to be half way efficient one needs to use relatively thick electrically insulated wire with HV breakdown. Also, more windings equates to more parallel capacitance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I prefer high current over high voltage. MOSFET's are our friends. ;) If there's too much losses in one MOSFET, then place two MOSFET's in parallel, or three, or four, until the losses are low enough. Just make sure the MOSFET's are properly driven and it will be great.
Can you tell, I love MOSFET's. ;D
PL
Paul
My ideas were geared toward flyback and radiant energy .
In my opinion high voltages and what Tesla called disruptive discharge is required for radiant energy .
I think disruptive discharge would be very difficult to achieve with low voltage .
gary
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 07:59:52 PM
Thanks for wealth of info Gary. That's an elaborate design. The only thing is it needs to work for steel wire, so it's more difficult to bend. For steel, it may be easier just to dip the wire by hand, unless one is going to be making a lot of "free energy" devices.
Thanks for telling me about shellac. A little reading at wikipedia shows this is a good choice. I wondering if hairspray has any shellac or something compound. Do you know how fast shellac dries?
PL
Paul
My test wire dried in 15 to 20 min
The kind of wire doesn't matter.
The wire I did was Iron rebar tie wire .
The shelac dooesn't seem to mind the oil that is on the wire .
The stiffer the wire the longer the slinky you can support between the cylinders.
gary
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 07:59:52 PM. For steel, it may be easier just to dip the wire by hand, unless one is going to be making a lot of "free energy" devices.
In my opinion even a successful working prototype is not complete until we have practical plans for making LOTS of them
gary
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 22, 2009, 02:36:10 PM
This is too funny. I hope legit people are taking note to all of the potshots.
Anyhow, the answer is simple. The mathematics for the magnetic research has shown it's most likely very difficult to overcome the losses. Diode research is a guarantee! The diode arrays are considered infinite efficiency since no voltage source is required.
All that's left is to come up with an inexpensive easy method of making semiconductor fabrication equipment that anyone could build to make their own diode array *chips* that could power their home and beyond. They could be the hero of the block by selling inexpensive chips to the neighbor.
PL
Ok so its just an unproven "idea" finally!.
Thats funny too. I hope the legit people are taking note of that too :)
Cheers,
Dean
Hi Gary,
The energy I'm after is ambient thermal energy. Ambient thermal energy has been taught in college textbooks for about a century. It's about time to tap into this energy. The world is in disparate need for clean reusable "free energy." No offense intended to anyone, but it's irresponsible to try and play the role of sci-fi wizard by hunting for an unknown source when we know ambient thermal energy exists-- ~ one billion joules per m^3, and sustained by the Sun. Every scientists knows this energy exists. I've outlined the science of how to capture this energy using conventional physics.
PL
This is about as clear as it gets without making a video as to why it would capture ambient thermal energy -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=207.0
Although this is just a simple outline, I've gone over the math countless times. It will work. :)
PL
It will work …not.
Study magnetic hysteresis.
Paul,
please don't stop your very good work on this subject because of this few meaningless posts by some strange users.
Your topic is one of the most interesting one's of this board.
Keep up the good work !!
greetings from germany
Frederik
Quote from: tinu on January 23, 2009, 06:31:24 AM
It will work …not.
Study magnetic hysteresis.
I have.
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on January 23, 2009, 08:22:21 AM
Paul,
please don't stop your very good work on this subject because of this few meaningless posts by some strange users.
Your topic is one of the most interesting one's of this board.
Keep up the good work !!
greetings from germany
Frederik
Hi Frederik,
It seems this great forum has changed a lot since two years ago. Such negs were never allowed on this forum. These people would not last a nanosecond on my forum. It's a free world, and the negs can freely go to their own kind, just as like minded people should have the free will to be with only like minded people. :) Stefan has always done a great job, but the job of single moderator must be overwhelming!! Hopefully things will get back to normal at this great forum.
Anyhow, thanks, the negs can't hold back the truth forever. Perhaps I should just put the diode research on hold, and build one of the Free Energy designs myself. How does the old saying go, "If you want something done, ..."
Regards,
PL
psss - Don't worry, the negs don't phase me in the least. It's just a shame their work has a great effect on people who may have interest.
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on January 22, 2009, 09:08:33 PM
Ok so its just an unproven "idea" finally!.
Thats funny too. I hope the legit people are taking note of that too :)
As far as I'm aware, this and the diode array research are the only two on this entire forum that is backed by the mathematics of conventional physics. Well anyways, the negs said the same thing before I built my diode array. Chalk one up for conventional physics equations! Gosh, maybe they're on to something, LOL. ;D
After all these years of zillions of people on this forum going off just intuition, isn't it about time to give someone who already has one success and who uses mathematics of conventional physics a chance?PL
Since no one has even offered a device to test this, would some thing like this work?
My thinking is to put two coils on each of the cores to make it easier to collect output energy.
Sorry i had to modify. I should have labeled the spring return soleniod
Thanks for making the drawings Tempest. That matches the description. One remaining area that needs addressing, besides magnetic viscosity pretesting, is how to properly absorb the momentum of the moving center piece as it suddenly stops. In terms of verifying that the high magnetic viscosity pieces cool down per entire cycle, one concern is to not heat up that area from whatever might absorb the momentum.
Perhaps a short, but stiff spring that's near the solenoid? Just as long as it's away from the magnetic materials because the spring would heat up.
PL
Sorry, I thought the following animation was already uploaded
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.msg578#msg578
That is a recent improved version for design #1. It does away with the need for low magnetic viscosity material. More importantly, it does away with the need for the low viscosity materials special coil timing.
PL
Solunoid is good , how about a mechanical linkage, like a ic engine when the piston reaches tdc, the time at tdc is considerably longer ...or a linkage like this
http://www.brockeng.com/mechanism/Whitworth.htm
It will be interesting to know how Steorn is pulling it off. IMO they found a type of magnetic material that has incredibly high magnetic viscosity. Perhaps I'll try an experiment in a few weeks, maybe, just to see how much viscosity carbon steel has.
Anyhow, here's a proposed priority list if I were to work on this-->
Priority #1 - Do some magnetic viscosity tests on various types of materials at various levels of magnetization.
Priority #2 - Build a simple machine using the material with highest magnetic viscosity for the sole purpose of trying to get the magnetic core temperature to drop per cycle.
Priority #3 - Build a machine for the purpose of self-running.
PL
I have no idea how the Steron thing works , but magentic viscosity is interesting...see this little vid i made showing visible viscosity lol..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kI7FXReF-5g
That seems like a well thought out test Craig. If you move the hall chip right next to the PM, then what's the average peak caused by the ferrite spike? And then the next question, how far do you need to move the hall chip in order to get an average peak of about 95% maximum? IOW, if maximum is 100 units, then how far does the hall chip need to move to get an average spike reading of 95 units?
Thanks,
PL
Athough this is a very simple way to show viscocity, a static test might be better for your configurations, a pulsed electromagnet perhaps with a 2 channel scope, one channel measuring the voltage accross the coil, and a hall measuring the materal under test.
the hall sensor is an allegro 1301 or 1302 ( One is 1.3 mv per gauss the other 2,5mv per gauss) i cannot remember which is which for the moment but a google will tell you. These sensors are 5volt , and in this case the usb rail from the laptop is used to power the sensor. The output is then fed into the mic socket , and a freeware scope enables you to see what is going on..1.3mv per gauss means you can measure up to 1923 gauss in theory. There might be problems with the reaction times of these sensors when used in anger , but they are good enough for proving a point.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GawsyqOlvG8
Now Paul, you asked about the peaks. That video was recorded about 2 years ago, so i will have to dust the machine off and fire it up again as i cannot give you a honest answer. But 95% of peak would be 5 degrees ( My best guess) at a rotor speed of 250 rpm on a rotor of 100mm dia....but that is a guess from memory, i suppose i will have to do it again.lol..
also , you asked what was the average peak, well that depends on what ever you want it to be, the bigger the magnet doing the charging the greater the saturation so the sensor would register a field for further around the circumference
Craig,
To calculate the 5% lag time I would need to know the average *maximum*, and also the average *95% maximum* marks, but it's no big deal. No need to take it out and test again. There might be one serious problem with that test in that the field from the PM is completely open. If you had a narrow gap horse shoe PM, then that would be a lot better. A better method, as I think you pointed out, is to just do this with solid-state. I've done this before, and actually have such a circuit in the lab, a bit dusty. I could run some tests on various cores today. I don't have a laminated carbon steel rod, but could try a silicon iron transformer even though that's completely different characteristics than an open core rod.
Thanks,
PL
I just measured the magnetic viscosity of two magnetic cores -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=211.0
Regards,
PL
At my forum I talked about today's magnetic viscosity measurements on a different core, an open magnetic loop made of laminated steel. The viscosity was low. On Monday I'll test the magnetic viscosity of various PM's. Within a week I'll try to make a long laminated carbon steel rod core, and test it's magnetic viscosity.
PL
To help eliminate confusion, my definition of a "free energy" machine that runs forever or until it breaks while producing *usable* amounts of power is defined as a "Grand Smoking Gun." A "Smoking Gun" machine is merely a machine that runs forever or until it breaks while producing power. The diode array is a "Smoking Gun."
Regards,
PL
To researchers:
Some very exciting and encouraging magnetic viscosity tests were just posted at my forum. I just completed another run of such tests tonight. The amount of viscosity measured on a rod using a specific method was amazingly high.
Regards,
PL
Does Thane Heins Perepiteia have anything simmiliar to this? They both seem to use very fast changing magnetic fields. In his case it causes acceleration of a rotor. If it does I think some dots can be connected.
Not sure. Thane's has a lot of interesting experiments though.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 27, 2009, 08:17:43 PM
To researchers:
Some very exciting and encouraging magnetic viscosity tests were just posted at my forum. I just completed another run of such tests tonight. The amount of viscosity measured on a rod using a specific method was amazingly high.
Regards,
PL
Hi Paul,
May I suggest the following test setup to test for Magnetic Viscosity, or also known as Magnetic Lag:
Use of an air core coil, (known # , of turns and diameter) at the edge of the ferrite rod (or any material to be tested). Apply known current and estimate/measure gauss level at the coil edge. Measure time to steady state current. At the end of that time there is max flux available at that one end of the ferrite rod.
Use of a sensitive fast response gauss sensor. Measure/calibrate for transients etc.
Have the gauss meter sensor at the other end of the rod. Measure how long it takes for the sensor to read any flux, and how high it gets and how long it takes to get there.
So now you have the time of magnetic front travel, distance traveled and level reached on other side.
If the sensor is not fast enough, (response time is greater than travel time of magnetic front through the rod) a reed switch may more accurately accomplish some of the needed results. Time delay, but not flux level.
Thanks
Mike
Thanks for the info Mike. Maybe someone could post the part number of a hall chip or such that has a response time of 1us or less. I haven't seen any of such chips fast enough at digikey.com.
As an alternative you could use a coil, just as the first coil. So you would have a coil at each end of the rod.
That being said, that's a different type of magnetic viscosity. It's how fast the magnetic wave travels. That's also an important type of viscosity, which is why in my "free energy" designs a *long* rod is recommended. Although, if it's too long then there might be too much coercivity, depending on the material.
The type of magnetic viscosity I've been measuring is how long it takes the magnetic material to decay with no applied current. IOW, you magnetize the core with a coil (and current), then quickly remove the current. Of course, one *must* use a scope to see how fast the coils current turns off-- just make sure the coils current turns off a lot faster than the magnetic viscosity.
Regards,
PL
A lot of updates to my free energy magnetic designs. Here are two circuits for the solid-state design. When combined, it forms the "Grand Smoking Gun" circuit; i.e., the completed circuit when connected to the magnetic cores as shown in "Free Energy design #3" will be self-running -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.msg799#msg799
Also, lots of new magnetic viscosity measurements.
Note, updates are only periodically posted here.
PL