Hi All,
have a look at these Youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntMA8wM_Fkg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n91oCeSfI
133 Liters per Minute are claimed..
From the first video it seems they are using about
2 x 15 Volts x 22 amps=
660 Watts of electrical input power.
The company that sells the elektrolyzers is
http://www.clean-world-energies.de/
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan
we need to learn more about this
Are they selling or teasing
Chet
Here is their english homepage:
http://www.clean-world-energies.de/en/home.htm
Well, I heard, that their elektrolyzers are pretty expensive...
But we will see, I just filled out their contactform and will
see, if they will send me more infos.
Regards, Stefan-
Hallo Freunde,
i bought one of their cells an i also met them on autoban ,meanwhile the cell is for more the 10000 km inmy car and guess how much diesel iam saving you wount believe ist ???
Nada nothing at all ,1500 â,¬ for no effect , the last try we put the gas behind the turbo because they told me that the turbo will kill the HO
Gesagt getan ,ergebnis this time 1 liter more diesel as usual
My Car is a 3 Jeahr old Chrysler 300 C CDI .
With Kat and Filter . But this cars dont have Lambda maybe a temperature sensor, egal what ever ,its not working , maybe the whole theory is bullshit meanwhile i dont know what i shall thinking .
The Cell is called Taxi Cube and its very good manufactered , the gas production is almost 900 l/hour , they are not working with PVM ore somthing else, they are not using Inox , their elektrodes are made of a Nickel and somthing legierung.The Temperature i messured is not mor then 70 degre C
Spoke to a lot of people with good motor knowledge but nobody could give me konkret answer why it s not working , and i also found nobody who got a working cell in a car with a minimum of 15 % petrol or diesel save
So if maybe somebody have a idea let me know
Micha,
irgendwas machst Du falsch.
Die meisten Leute, die einen HHO Elektrolyzer haben bekommen
mindestens 20 bis 30 % weniger Spritverbrauch...
Hast Du bei Dir den O2 Sensor auch geändert, sonst geht es ja auch nicht...
Das einfachste ist wohl ein paar Unterlegmuttern, so dass er weiter vom Rohr
wegsteht...
Ansonsten zeig doch mal bitte den HHO Output mit anhand einer Torchflamme
oder zeig mal einen BubblerTest, so dass man sehen kann, was da raus kommt...
Hi Micha, you mustbe doing something worng here...
Did you modify the O2 sensor too ?
If not it will probably fail.
Please show the gas output of the elektrolyzer in a bubbler
video test or with a torch flame.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Moin zusammen,
also Diesel haben wohl keine Lambda Sonde oder O2 Sensor , wozu auch .?
Der kat ist reiner Oxy Kat , was Sie haben sind Temperaturfühler und Drucksensoren vor und nach dem Kat.
Hier wird je nach Druckänderung zusätzlich Diesel in den Kat eingespritzt um den Ruß zu verbrennen , wobei die Einspritzzeit vom Bordcomputer bestimmt wird und zwar dann wenn er über eine gewisse Zeit eine kontinuierliche Geschwindigkeit registriert hat , damit der Mist nicht in der Stadt direkt vor unserer Haustür verbrannt wird.
Diesen Effekt bemerkt man manchmal bei neueren Diesel Modellen vowiegend aus dem Hause mit dem Stern wenn man längere Zeit hinter ihnen auf der Autobahn herfährt.
Ich war mit der Karre zweimal beim hiesigen DEKRA zum Abgasttest, beim ersten mal keine Ã,,nderungen , Lammda konst. bei ca. 4,7
O2 zwischen 16,5 bis 17, CO = 0,01
Diese Werte mit und ohne Zelle
Beim Zweiten Male nach Einspeisung laut Hersteller hinter Ladeluftkühler keine Konst. Werte mehr O2 bis auf 19 % max hoch min bei 14 % Dies könnte natürlich ein Beleg sein das die Elektronik verrückt spielt und vielleicht permanent Sprit zugibt, aber wie gesagt nur Hypothese. Der Ing. beim DEKRA sagte auch ne nix O2 Sensor , hat noch nie ein Diesel mit Lambdasonde gesehen .
Werde heute Abend noch von einer anderen leider negativen Erfahrung berichten, bin jetzt leider etwas in Hurry
Micha
Quote from: Micha on February 10, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
The Cell is called Taxi Cube and its very good manufactered , the gas production is almost 900 l/hour , they are not working with PVM ore somthing else, they are not using Inox , their elektrodes are made of a Nickel and somthing legierung.The Temperature i messured is not mor then 70 degre C
Micha
You say their production is 900l/hour, Thats 15l/min.
Have you tested the gasproduction with a waterbottle/bubbler?
Can you post a photo of the inside of the cell?
Photos inside later, car ist at the moment with a brakedown in the garage,
i didnt bubbeld the gas amount , but i messured the used destilled water , and the maximum was 0,5 liter /hour,
but when i get the car back i will messure it with a bubbler. also i will test the quality of the gas like stefas sad with tourch ore something like this.
Micha
@Micha,
sorry, did not see you mentioned TurboDiesel car...
Surely the boardcomputer will then have to be changed to use the lower
fuel consumption ...So not very good to use this car...
Maybe a normal Diesel car would have been better...
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Micha on February 11, 2009, 05:34:01 AM
Photos inside later, car ist at the moment with a brakedown in the garage,
i didnt bubbeld the gas amount , but i messured the used destilled water , and the maximum was 0,5 liter /hour,
but when i get the car back i will messure it with a bubbler. also i will test the quality of the gas like stefas sad with tourch ore something like this.
Micha
Micha
Thank you! Are you sure it was 0,5 liter / hour, did you maybe mean 0,5 liter / min?
Yes thats what i thougt till yesterday but let me tell whats happend that my hope that this will work doesnt make it bigger.
I had with my 300 CDI Chrysler yesterday a brakedown , the Lima (Generator) gave his last Amp in the middle of somewhere beetwen Giesen and Frankfurt,
Came with really the last Amps to the Mercedes Benz Station., and they found the problem very quick,
and there was this little guy , he had to remove the lid from the motor and so on , then he saw the red teflon Tube coming from the back going stright into the engine . I explained him what it is , and he called a nother guy said ,look he got something simmilar you have done.
He saw the cell , and the first thing he sad was it didnt work did it?
I said no , so far not but i wount give up , willtry it in an other car Otto Motor , he tould me that he have done ist and also with no positive results , he said if you use the EFIE you will of course get e better result, but thats only of the dummies , with or without cell , he tould me that he have done al tests in the MB Garage with all their equipment and Motortester ,
He got the meaning that its a big ripp of, iam not that far , but my illusions are a little bit down.
Anyway there is something what i dont understand , I met the guy from cleanworldenergie , talked many times to him, and he is really not the type of a lier ore something else . I pais 800 â,¬ netto for the cell , and the production costs are at least 600 â,¬ the elektrodes are horrible expensive. so where is the gain the provit for him , there is none . That willgive me a little bit of rest hope.
He tould me also of a customer from who made the cell in a big Audi A8 TDI , 7,5 liter /100 Km, To nice to be true
Regards
Micha
PS: Bleib erstmal dran
0,5 liter Destilled Water per Hour
Micha
I now understand, you were talking about the water consumption and not the gas production.
Unfortunately the water consumption is not a good indicator because we do not know how much water vapor was present in the hydroxy gas. An inefficient booster with current leakage will heat up quickly and generate a lot of water vapor so the water consumption will be faster even with relatively low gas production.
Quote from: Micha on February 11, 2009, 06:11:26 AM
Yes thats what i thougt till yesterday but let me tell whats happend that my hope that this will work doesnt make it bigger.
I had with my 300 CDI Chrysler yesterday a brakedown , the Lima (Generator) gave his last Amp in the middle of somewhere beetwen Giesen and Frankfurt,
Came with really the last Amps to the Mercedes Benz Station., and they found the problem very quick,
and there was this little guy , he had to remove the lid from the motor and so on , then he saw the red teflon Tube coming from the back going stright into the engine . I explained him what it is , and he called a nother guy said ,look he got something simmilar you have done.
He saw the cell , and the first thing he sad was it didnt work did it?
I said no , so far not but i wount give up , willtry it in an other car Otto Motor , he tould me that he have done ist and also with no positive results , he said if you use the EFIE you will of course get e better result, but thats only of the dummies , with or without cell , he tould me that he have done al tests in the MB Garage with all their equipment and Motortester ,
He got the meaning that its a big ripp of, iam not that far , but my illusions are a little bit down.
Anyway there is something what i dont understand , I met the guy from cleanworldenergie , talked many times to him, and he is really not the type of a lier ore something else . I pais 800 â,¬ netto for the cell , and the production costs are at least 600 â,¬ the elektrodes are horrible expensive. so where is the gain the provit for him , there is none . That willgive me a little bit of rest hope.
He tould me also of a customer from who made the cell in a big Audi A8 TDI , 7,5 liter /100 Km, To nice to be true
Regards
Micha
PS: Bleib erstmal dran
Hi Micha,
just popping in to ask if i pbly can help on investigating that a bit.
A friend of mine is owing some LPG-Stations and he also has a
workshop for installing LPG-Systems.
He has some tricky technicians which are able to modify almost every computer on board.
And as well, they know where to feed (LPG) gas into the system.
I never heard of converting a diesel, but that is perhaps just because i simply have no diesel.
The workshop is close to Frankfurt/M and therefore it could be helpfull,
I we would arrange something?
Yes good idear please send me detailed informations of this person.
i will contact him.
This guy from mercedes told me too that some diesel cars even dont work probably with lpg , too much elektronic.
So I am looking for a new exercise car ,
Micha
Sometimes I wonder if they add a little soap or detergent to their electrolyte. Just for that added bubble effect.
That is quite a bit of amps they are using. Their electrolytic solution is getting nasty fast.
Quote from: Micha on February 11, 2009, 03:38:30 PM
Yes good idear please send me detailed informations of this person.
i will contact him.
This guy from mercedes told me too that some diesel cars even dont work probably with lpg , too much elektronic.
So I am looking for a new exercise car ,
Micha
Hi Micha,
before we do start talking to "common people" we should
make sure that we have checked some basic facts of your HHO-Generator.
As Stefan mentioned before, it could be a good idea and interesting to others,
to verify the quality of your gas with some simple torch-flame.
If you are feeding just watersteam into the air-inlet would not
be the best treatment for an xpensiv high tech mercedes.
LPG is a tinylittle bit ahead, but even open minded professinals are still careful
when it comes to experimental work in terms of liability and responsiblity for eventually damages.
For the common, "burning water" is still a esotheric mystery.
Another problem could be the technical aspect, because it is not very common in Germany to convert a
Turbo-Diesel to (liquid-)gas because the economical and ecological aspects are to poor.
Anyways, here is the link to my friends garage,
so you can see that it is pysically there and what they are doing.
http://www.autogas-frankfurt.com/home.php
But before pysically involving them into our HHO-Stuff,
i would like to verify some basics "a priori" with some experienced people
like here or some other communities more focussed on HH-O.
In parallel to that, we should bring some facts to overunity.de,
because its easier to communicate and closer if it comes to a meeting in Germany.
Viele Grüße,
sushimoto
Quote from: TheBuzz on February 12, 2009, 02:11:59 AM
Looks like KOH and dissolved electrode to me. Notice the steam when it goes out the window?
You can make ICE boil with a high enough vacuum but that is not being used because of the large bubble size.
You can make tons of what looks like HHO with near boiling water but it is mostly just steam.
We also don't know what the electrodes are made of. If they are Mg and Al electrodes then we have Joseph Pacchio patent - same as dingle. Unlikely since he is using so much power and the Mg Al reaction will generate electricity. That isn't free energy - the metal is sacrificial and the charge carrier. It takes a lot of electricity to make aluminum.
So we just don't know.
Buzz
I must say: The bubbles in the video looks impressive and is certainly not because of boiling water.
To me, it more looks like the Pacheco US patent 5089107
Micha
Does your cell look like the one in the video? Does it look similar to the drawing below?
Are the electrodes being consumed by the reaction?
Wouter
Passion
Thanks
Chet
Chet
I know! That's why I asked Micha! ;)
(He is currently the only one around here that has a clean-world-energies cell, and hopefully he can answer some of those questions by reporting in detail what his cell does....)
Yes it lookes like the one in the vid, but ist far smaller and they called it taxi cube ,
when i hopefuly get my car back tomorow i will make some better pics,
But let me tell something about the cell inside.
they have a controllrelay with open the process , needs 12 v and 2 amp maybe from ignition,so the cell never starts direkt from battery,
i messured in use 12 v and 16 amp ,and after a couple of hours of use, the temperature was 70 deg celsius,and big production of gas (or steam, or what ever)
the cell in the vid is for lorrys, they told me, when I met the boss from company he showed me a us cell for lorrys ,they removed it from a scania lorry, he showed me the problem of all this cheap stainless stell cells , fe2O3 just after a short time of use, it seems that the eletrones make a diffusion oft the molybdän out of the steel, and in this mikro holes it starts rusting, thats why the water get the broun colour after a while.
In the Cube i have the water lookes like water after a month oft testing , the elektrolyte they use ( dont know what kind ,big secret) is added only one time and normaly never have to be substituded,
Ok the next thing is the automaticly refilling of destilled water out of tank,(only destilled water,anything else will destroy the elektodes,
they use the vacuum from the engine, there is a sensor which gives a signal when water is low to a valve ,the valve works only when enough vacuum is available.
When I first put the gas behind the air filter ,ther was not enough vacuum , the next place where just bevor the turbo, here perfect vacuum, cell works phantastic, but scheiße no effect, nothing at all,
The results with a very good tester shoed no changes in oxygen and lambda, with and with out cell, same results.
Constructing engineer of the cell told , of course no results ," you have to put the gas after the turbo"
With this information i have my little problems, becaus of my understanding how a turbo works , there cant be a vacuum , only high presure maybe 1,5 - 2.3 atm.
But he didnt agree ,he said there is vacuum, well he is in some ways right, when the engine works with about 2000 1/min the turbo doesnt , but anyway not enough vacuum that the deliver of new water in the cell works.
But at this point that was not the real problem, the bigger thing is that the whole stuff doesn`t work with a diesel, meanwhile Iam not shure if it works at all.!!
It makes me a little bit sad,
but does anybody here can be 100% sure that it works, i mean proved by them self,
The guy from cleanworldenergie told me that some cars doesnt work , nobody knows why, but the most of the do, what shall I believe,
He said that they sold a couple of Taxicube to a company in Slowakia here is the link
http://www.4cleanenergy.net/
language only german and slowakia
they also talking about gas after turbo, but there is nothing about elektronical problem,
they are using the new type of the cell which seperate the HO and O in two Teflontubes, see the pictures, i will contact this people and maybe they have a solution for my car, but I dont think so,
and sorry for my bad english ,
Ciao
Micha
Quote from: TheBuzz on February 11, 2009, 09:08:47 PM
Good information. Many people install hydrogen cells at the same time they install the oxygen sensor modification to reduce fuel flow rate and then they give all the credit to the hydrogen cell. They believe what they want to see.
The hydrogen is so diluted that even 50 LPM is not going to improve efficiency unless it is injected into the cylinder only on the firing cycle.
If they do not install the O2 sensor modification, the increased oxygen going to the sensor makes the computer add MORE gas to the engine.
The best way to modify the engine is adding a potentiometer the mass air flow sensor and making the adjustment there.
increase of oxygen ????
that sensor is at the exaust, no ?
how will it be sensing more oxygen ?
could it be an urban myth ?
in my opignon, no modification are require if that sensor is truly sensing oxygen.
in faq, you should get less oxygen in the exaust after the combustion if you replace the air with hydrogen.
the hydrogen will take the air volume that was needed for the fuel to burn correctly.
the car computer should ajust the fuel needed itself, and run leaner after a few days.
it will cut the fuel ratio untill it sense oxygen again, then re-ajust up/down from there.
please tell me so if i am wrong, or if O2 sensor are sensing oxygen at all.
As i understand it the O2 sensor works on trying to keep the oxygen levels at the exhaust at a point so that the emmissions levels are "acceptabe". This works in conjunction with a few other sensors at the inlet side of your air flow. BUT what they do is deliver the max amount of bang per cycle for your engine while maintaining the O2 levels on the output. you increase the O2 going in and the car will effectively make use of the extra. The cars computer has logged what it counts as "average" operating enviroment. so if you hook this up and reset the computer you tend to get better results with less modifacation.
on that note though i have seen 2 types of ways the onboard computers use the O2 sensor.
1.Percentage Abusers: These ones look at O2 in and O2 out and use up a percentage of it with fuel release. eg O2 in level = 100% O2 out must = 60% or higher (please note it is an example for example purposes)
2. Set level - these ones work on O2 out must be between X amount of PPM and Y amounts of PPM. and if there is more O2 detected they increase fuel and if there is less it decreses.
Both have problems and bonuses but electrolyzers tend to intergrate better if you reset all of your computers stored data this makes it run a little rough to start with but it will be better long term, IMO
Micha
Thank you for the detailed reply. I'm looking forward to the pictures!
Can you confirm what metal is being used for the electrodes, stainless steel, Magnesium, Aluminium?
Havent tried it but degas your water then run the water in place of diesel through the high presser pump 26000 psi, cool the water to 4 degrees C place electrodes just before it inters the fuel rail.
Now how to create a spark inside the diesel cylinder
does the magnesium and aluminium get consumed in the process ?
well in my opinion the key is electrodes !! i have search a lot forums and supplier's and what i found that guys that produce a lot uses steel different than 316l i even asked cleanworldenergies and they said the secret is in the steel that they have patented world wide (this patent thing is bullshit) they use nickel alloys that are high in Ni (nickel) Cr (chromium) Mo (molybdenum) and Co (cobalt) i think this is perfect steel Alloy 617 but quiet expensive 70 euro/kg
so if somebody have such a steel please give it a try and sheare the results
even us 904L have a lot of thees chemicals
chars from poland
While we are at it with all this money, why not cover an entire car with the new generation of solar cells and fill the floor bed with Lithion-Ion batteries... One ready to go hot to trott elecrit car... Might be 150k and can only travel at 90Km/ph but hey its green!!!
Micha
can you ask your freind for a little pice of this steel ? 2cm x 2cm
i can go and check the chemical components of this steel so we all will know what to use in our cells
please give it a try
or at the youtube they have a small unit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tJhqOUEhM&feature=channel_page
can ask whats the price ?
thanks
Micha
any news on the metal or pics?
Chet
This seems like a forgotten tech ,brought back to life [According to Samuel Friedman]
Stefan are you discussing this on your German Forum?
Chet
the problem to me appears simple, it is mechanical, bear with me for a moment, this should be used in a petrol engine or gas car for easiest use, the problem is not production, forget for a momemt what typew of device you are using.
We all know that even really crap devices such as this do actually produce hydrogen as brown gas, the error in almosyt every car installation is to think for one second your car has a brain, it doesn't it has no clue what you are doing, i could be pumping NOS into your diesel and it will still use roughly the same amount of fuel. The problem is in restricting the regular fuel flow to allow the replacement fuel to burn instead, NOS or nitros injection simply adds power it "does not stop the current use of fuel" unsless the car is specifically setup to run replacement fuel.
Most cars have various sytems of fuel intake, a vacuum system will certainly not stop pulling the required fuel level. For instance when you are driving along and your floor the accelerator it does not flood the motor, most speed is built up momentum from constant input of power, not an instant burst of power, only a greater expolsion does this such as NOS.
if you have any fluid pump or flow from any device, the addition of an extra fluid after the fule leaves the pump, be it mecahnical or electronic injection does not and in all common sense cannot alter the fuel flow, diesl has a reasonable water content (especially bio diesal which we really want this to work with) under compression which is how diesel explodes my money is that the reason you don't get extra power is molecular bonding of the molecules back to water "not in total" but sufficent to dampen any gain such as the boost effect you get from NOS, but the very basics of lowering fuel consumption cannot work after the fuel pump, why would it? The pump electric or otherwise has no idea what you have done, so it keeps on doing what it was built to do, this is why your fuel consumption does not lower. But hey I could be wrong, perhaps fuel pumps have AI i was unaware of, " gee that looks like an extra fuel line going in down there perhaps I should pump less fuel" Just looking at the basic mechanics of the engine, and i do not see any computer input to the car which simultaneously controls the fuel injection or vacum.
would be nice if it worked.
the problem to me appears simple, it is mechanical, bear with me for a moment, this should be used in a petrol engine or gas car for easiest use, the problem is not production, forget for a moment what type of device you are using.
We all know that even really crap devices such as this do actually produce hydrogen as brown gas, the error in almost every car installation is to think for one second your car has a brain, it doesn't it has no clue what you are doing, i could be pumping NOS into your diesel and it will still use roughly the same amount of fuel. The problem is in restricting the regular fuel flow to allow the replacement fuel to burn instead, NOS or nitro injection simply adds power it "does not stop the current use of fuel" unless the car is specifically setup to run replacement fuel.
Most cars have various systems of fuel intake, a vacuum system will certainly not stop pulling the required fuel level. For instance when you are driving along and your floor the accelerator it does not flood the motor, most speed is built up momentum from constant input of power, not an instant burst of power, only a greater explosion does this such as NOS.
if you have any fluid pump or flow from any device, the addition of an extra fluid after the fuel leaves the pump, be it mechanical or electronic injection does not and in all common sense cannot alter the fuel flow, diesel has a reasonable water content (especially bio diesel which we really want this to work with) under compression which is how diesel explodes my money is that the reason you don't get extra power is molecular bonding of the molecules back to water "not in total" but sufficient to dampen any gain such as the boost effect you get from NOS, but the very basics of lowering fuel consumption cannot work after the fuel pump, why would it? The pump electric or otherwise has no idea what you have done, so it keeps on doing what it was built to do, this is why your fuel consumption does not lower. But hey I could be wrong, perhaps fuel pumps have AI i was unaware of, " gee that looks like an extra fuel line going in down there perhaps I should pump less fuel" Just looking at the basic mechanics of the engine, and i do not see any computer input to the car which simultaneously controls the fuel injection or vacuum.
would be nice if it worked.
Archer
Didn't know you were fluent in HHO,I should have known better.This tech interests me because the high production rates[alleged 133LPM] should run a home heating system ,utilizing the anomaly of the flame in contact with certain metals producing AMAZING heat
Chet
Quote from: ramset on March 10, 2009, 08:08:39 PM
Archer
Didn't know you were fluent in HHO,I should have known better.This tech interests me because the high production rates[alleged 133LPM] should run a home heating system ,utilizing the anomaly of the flame in contact with certain metals producing AMAZING heat
Chet
As noted previously the steam becomes an issue with heat, personally i have always favored heavy aluminium tanks for the production area to sink the heat.
There was aguy that conatcted me last year, who really did have the best i have seen to date, i meant to give him a hand and do some duplicate tests etc, but you saw what happened to my time last year, Ill try and find who it was, this guy was using around 20 amps from memory and 12 volt system if i recall, the tank looked like a spa bath with a super turbo it was producing that much gas. I'll get back to you.
an no not an expert in ths field by any stretch, its just that i was the first person 25 years ago to build an all gas vehicle without LPG or natural gas, and had a lot of the same problems. because the car was originally petrol and eventually removed it altogether nad ran it without any petro chemical input, just a type of methane, long before the use of it in a vehicle.
ok found an old email with the guys ID, his Overunity name was leftwings22 and a swear it really is the fastest producer of gas i have ever seen, forget what you nmay have read about others this guy has video and it is brilliant. Hope this helps.PM him and see.
found him with all the vids and full build
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=leftwings22&aq=f
thank you, thank you, I'm here all week ;D
YOU ARE THE MAN MR QUINN [I was having no luck]
Chet
Stefan has a lock on the member list
Quote from: ramset on March 11, 2009, 07:31:37 PM
YOU ARE THE MAN MR QUINN [I was having no luck]
Chet
Stefan has a lock on the member list
So Chet,
What happened here? Did you try to contact this person?
Stefan could have helped if there is a problem due to this forums restrictions.
Does he get a message if we use this indication => @Hartiberlin
Something like Batlight :)
Piece,
Devrim
Devri
Very Modest production 2-3 LPM
not gonna do it [120000 BTU target]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on March 24, 2009, 05:48:42 PM
Devri
Very Modest production 2-3 LPM
not gonna do it [120000 BTU target]
Chet
Geeez
Starts off with good news like 133lpm and ends up at an common 2.
So what else is new?
Hydrosonic pump looks like the only answer for heating for the moment.
Piece
Devrim
Devrim
NO NO NO
That was the link above by Mr Quinn
This !33 Lpm claim is still open .Fellows from Germany were in the middle of this [needs more investigation]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on March 24, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
Devrim
NO NO NO
That was the link above by Mr Quinn
This !33 Lpm claim is still open .Fellows from Germany were in the middle of this [needs more investigation]
Chet
The Crysler of the German fella did not get any savings though right?
133LPM would give some sign even if the computer and the turbo is working against it.
Devrim
Hello all.
My name is Yanni and I am from Greece. I am new here and the reason I have became a member
is because your conversations are very interesting and I would like to be a part of it.
Most of you might have more experience in to this subject and I am sure must be most of you.
The past 4 months I am keep searching and trying to find information about HHO systems and how
they work and who is producing them. The reason I search is because I own an import company in Greece
and I see a lot of potential in this technology and I am interesting to start co-operation with a good company
that has the knowledge, have done their tests, their standing up behind their products with customer service,
technical support, parts, etc.
Well.... guess what? So far... nothing.
I am NOT a scientist, I am NOT a mechanic, neither chemist, etc.
I am just a simple guy that does business and he company has a good reputation in the Greek market since 1972.
So, in order to keep my good reputation name for my company I have to sell products that are SAFE and they do
what they advertised to do and nothing less, nothing more. Of course price matters as well.
Anyway... as I said so far I haven't seen or found any company that will make me believe that they are professionals
and they provide a good product with all the above.
The only thing I have seen so far is that those HHO kits, HHO generators, Water4Gas, Dry Cells, Wet Cells, or
whatever else you want to call them, are all look the same, and all are based on a standard design and they only
difference is that those individuals that produce them , only put a sticker with their "company" name and because they
have placed a sticker they think that became a company.
Common....
Please do NOT take my words wrong. I am really into this subject at the moment and I really give a HUGE credit
to all those that they try to make something really to work. I would love someone to tell me that there is somewhere
out there a company, a COMPANY with big letters and not "company".... that finally has the knowledge, have done
their tests, their standing up behind their products with customer service, technical support, parts, etc. and finally
have a PRODUCT to sale in the consumer and do what they advertise to do.
Can anyone point me at least one company?
Now.... because I have read this thread on this forum, I have seen somewhere taking about metals.
Even me that I am not a scientist, even I do not own a HHO kit (I REALLY WISH had one) that most of those
"companies" are using 316L SS plates. Some of those they use 304 SS plates.
Some of you they mention in here about Alloy 607 and about 904L metals.
To be honest, first time I hear about 607 and 904L.
Although, based on my research to find a company that produces those units and start reading more and more
about how the whole HHO concept works, I have find out (on my own) that there is a metal out there BETTER than
316L SS and I haven't seen anyone to use it.
Please correct me if I am wrong and please I mention this because there is the possibility for some of you what I will say
to be very helpful. Although there is the chance to be wrong because I am not an HHO guru guy.
That metal costs something between 304 and 316L SS price.
This metal is the....
445M2
Here are the links I have found and all the information about you all. And I would like to see some replies in order me to
understand better.
http://www.azom.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=4242
and
http://www.australwright.com.au/News/News.html
and
http://www.assda.asn.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=93
Thank you all for your time and I am looking forward to see some replies.
And I apologize if I made some of you get bored.
Regards,
Yanni the Greek