Someone recently told me to be careful in selling a "free energy" generator because of the legalities, such as getting the device UL approved. This was very disappointing to me because I don't have the $$$ to get UL approved!
This person did have one good advice, sell the "free energy" generators as kits. So after some searching and asking people questions, there's good news! Another person said I could sell *completed* devices, but simply require a signed agreement from the buyer! So when you sell enough generators, then get UL listed because it's very expensive. This person said signed agreements hold a lot more weight in the court of law, at least in the USA. Not sure about other countries.
Furthermore, the second advice given to me was to set up a corporation-- the "corporate veil." It is not easy to break the "corporate veil." So if you're sued, then it's against the corporation, *not you*! Here in California the state fee to get a corporation is $115. And for another $30 to $40 you can buy a Do-It-Yourself kit to get a corporation. :) Maybe there are free do-it-yourself kits on the Internet.
Here's the message from this guy who posts in EE forums -->
+++++++++++
IANAL, but I suspect the sales of such a converter (without UL certification) is in no way illegal. Heck, people sell stuff like 2.4GHz or 27MHz RF
amplifiers or non-cell-blocked RF receivers all the time, and everyone knows
darned well that 99% of the buyers are going to be *using* such equipment in
an illegal manual, yet the sellers are often left alone if they do a good
enough job of describing their goods as "test equipment" or similar. In your
case, there's not even any particular attractoin to use such a device in an
illegal manner.
That being said, if someone buys your product, it starts on fire and burns
their house down, you almost certainly will be sued these days. You can add
as many disclaimers as you want to the product, but that won't prevent your
loss of time and money when you're forced to win your case in court. I would
guess that about the only effective way to prevent much of this would be to
get a *written* agreement from potential customers that you're providing no
guarantees, the product is not UL listed, etc., since they it should be a
pretty much open-and-shut court case should the issue ever arise (unlike
"click-through" or shrinkwrap licenses, signed agreements hold a lot more
weight).
Alternatively, figure out how to set up a real corporation somehow, so that --
worst case -- the corporation is sued out of existance, but your personal
well-being is largely untouchable. (The "corporate veil" and all that --
unless *gross* negligence can be demonstrated, you're safe.)
+++++++++++
What do you think? Any other helpful advice is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 02:07:12 PM
Someone recently told me to be careful in selling a "free energy" generator because of the legalities, such as getting the device UL approved. This was very disappointing to me because I don't have the $$$ to get UL approved!
This person did have one good advice, sell the "free energy" generators as kits. So after some searching and asking people questions, there's good news! Another person said I could sell *completed* devices, but simply require a signed agreement from the buyer! So when you sell enough generators, then get UL listed because it's very expensive. This person said signed agreements hold a lot more weight in the court of law, at least in the USA. Not sure about other countries.
Furthermore, the second advice given to me was to set up a corporation-- the "corporate veil." It is not easy to break the "corporate veil." So if you're sued, then it's against the corporation, *not you*! Here in California the state fee to get a corporation is $115. And for another $30 to $40 you can buy a Do-It-Yourself kit to get a corporation. :) Maybe there are free do-it-yourself kits on the Internet.
<SNIP>
What do you think? Any other helpful advice is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Paul
Hey Paul,
this is a good thread because of that issue, which could have an tremendous impact.
I already have investigated and written a lot about your toppic.
Maybe i will collect it and post it here, if interested.
Such a device is affecting almost every aspect of our world as we know.
The advice, spreading kits and plans over the internet is primarily very good.
All Paperwork including patents are absolutely worthless and are leading to
no success.
Involving any industry, lawyers, financial companies, government or academic institutions are leading to
no success.
All these structures of the "old economy" are not interested in changing the current economy,
because of its dependence on oil-and electricity business.
If you have a "black-box" with a powerplug for everybody's Independence from the grid,
you will be treated like a terrorist, destroying the world.
Which, in fact, is not true for humanity and humankind.
But it will destroy parts of economy as we know today.
Our big advantage is the internet, were we can reach a lot of people worldwide in 10 seconds.
That cannot be suppressed.
Selling such stuff (kits, plans, books, devices) in the first impact, will also lead to
no success,
because there already is a lot of fraud sold out there.
Nobody will spent another dime for another claim of FE.
Once verified by a mass, this guy will get rich and famous anyway.
Ghandi has never asked for money. But he changed a lot and earned a lot of money.
It was his decision to give the money away for humanity..
At least, its a historical honor to be the "Ghandi of Energy" ;D
best,
sushimoto
Quote from: sushimoto on March 05, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
Hey Paul,
this is a good thread because of that issue, which could have an tremendous impact.
I already have investigated and written a lot about your toppic.
Maybe i will collect it and post it here, if interested.
Such a device is affecting almost every aspect of our world as we know.
The advice, spreading kits and plans over the internet is primarily very good.
All Paperwork including patents are absolutely worthless and are leading to no success.
Involving any industry, lawyers, financial companies, government or academic institutions are leading to no success.
All these structures of the "old economy" are not interested in changing the current economy,
because of its dependence on oil-and electricity business.
If you have a "black-box" with a powerplug for everybody's Independence from the grid,
you will be treated like a terrorist, destroying the world.
Which, in fact, is not true for humanity and humankind.
But it will destroy parts of economy as we know today.
Our big advantage is the internet, were we can reach a lot of people worldwide in 10 seconds.
That cannot be suppressed.
Selling such stuff (kits, plans, books, devices) in the first impact, will also lead to no success,
because there already is a lot of fraud sold out there.
Nobody will spent another dime for another claim of FE.
Once verified by a mass, this guy will get rich and famous anyway.
Ghandi has never asked for money. But he changed a lot and earned a lot of money.
It was his decision to give the money away for humanity..
At least, its a historical honor to be the "Ghandi of Energy" ;D
best,
sushimoto
Yes, please post the info you've accumulated!
I think the exact details to build the entire machine should first be *freely* published. The 1st day should be spent demonstrating the device to people in your neighborhood. You could demo and hand out papers to thousands of people per day. The paper would include everything, such as building the machine.
Also the paper could include kits for sale by the inventor for people who don't want to buy parts from dozens of different companies. Also the inventor could sell completed prefabricated devices for people who aren't interested in building it.
A live demo is far more convincing then an Internet post-- no comparison!!! Then toward the *end* of the 1st day I would post everything online. Sorry, but *all* "free energy" forums will be the *last* place to see the designs. Such websites are obviously the best place to monitor for such a post on the "grand smoking gun." I don't need to take *any* chance of a bullet in my head upon 10 minutes of posting the "grand smoking gun" to this website thank you very much!!!
After that, it might be a good idea to try to get tv stations to view live demos.
BTW, once it's certain that it is a "grand smoking gun," then don't wait a single day. Do not wait to buy lots of parts. If someone wants to buy the machine, they'll have to wait for your parts to arrive. You can order lots of the parts on the 2nd day.
The 2nd day I would spend the $150 or is $200 to get a provisionary patent! I don't care what anyone tells you. If you don't get a patent, then expect to spend court time trying to defend your invention. For Pete's sake USA inventors, please spend the $200 to get a provisional patent. You can do it online. I wouldn't wait more than 1 day to do it!
BTW, is setting up a corporation better than an LLC?
Global Free Energy in 2009!
PL
Here's my advice. Sell the loose part as a kit, state it's for research and testing only (agreeing to a disclaimer should be enough), open a donation link, give the plans away for free. Simple isn't it. If you want to get rich please search for another hobby.
NEVER tell the legal system the truth.
they heavily penalize the truth.
instead, say that you are selling "entertainment devices".
and they do not produce electricity.
they produce happy energy.
that is how they get away with widespread p orn, in california.
they are not "being paid to have s ex".
they are "being paid for acting".
they do the s ex for free.
but get paid for the "acting".
the legal system is as insane and blind as the illuminati themselves.
lady justice is blindfolded,
because she is as blind to reality,
as they are.
lady liberty holds the scales,
because the scales have been secretly weighted,
towards whatever outcome the illuminati/dark-clowns desire.
i plan to build and sell mostly wooden cars.
driven by brushless induction motors. like the ones tesla built.
which are powered by gravity, VIA a waterfall generator.
BUT.
i will not be selling "cars".
or even "electricical parts",
that the UL will ***-**** my bank account over, to have approved.
i will be selling the customer a pile of "raw materials".
which i will "assemble" for them, into a vehicle.
i will BUILD the vehicle, FOR FREE !
(the expenses, are in the price of the "raw materials").
it should be legally impossible to stop someone,
from buying materials at a hardware store,
then selling them elsewhere for more.
and equally impossible,
to stop someone from building something,
FOR FREE.
it is possible for the dark clowns to buy from you,
then try to sue you for this or that bull****.
but i don't know how they could.
since what you are doing, is legally undetectible.
the dark clowns are in very, very serious trouble.
for the endless number of bad things, that they have done.
even if there are no pleiadians or spiritual hierarchy to punish them,
than there is still a pissed off population, who is rapidly catching onto them.
and a dying corrupt system, which can no longer protect them from revenge.
maybe once they die this time, they will get send to 2D as punishment.
where they will constantly be terrorized by wild demon-animals.
which don't give one shit about their 3D rules and regulations.
the dark clowns will be forced to use their non-existant emotions, for survival.
with their logical thought being greatly hindered down there.
Nearly 100% of the population will have *no* interest in building their own "free energy" machine. The first priority should be to get the detailed replication information out there. After that, it would be almost *impossible* to not become rich from such an invention. Even if the Inventor does not want to sell the machines (maybe he's allergic to becoming filthy rich), he'll get every known media from the Jay Leno late night TV show to CNN *begging* the Inventor to be on their show. You could almost name your price. The Inventor will be swarmed with Publicist. Even the worst publicist in the world would make you filthy rich, period. After that there are endless ways to make hundreds of millions of dollars from books to toys.
Give away a simplified design for people who want to build it. Sell a more complex, durable, design that produces more power for nearly 100% of the population who would have no interest in building it.
PL
Soon nitinnun soon.
Paul do not be deluded by fame. There will be no such thing. Actually we'd be VERY lucky if the whole economic system doesn't crash before this summer. Please think of surviving than what punch lines jay leno is going to throw at you. PLEASE!
Quote from: broli on March 05, 2009, 03:22:20 PM
Paul do not be deluded by fame. There will be no such thing. Actually we'd be VERY lucky if the whole economic system doesn't crash before this summer. Please think of surviving than what punch lines jay leno is going to throw at you. PLEASE!
What are you talking about. Never said anything about fame, but it will be unavoidable. The only thing Jay Leno would be throwing your way is a massive multi million dollar check for being on his show.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
What are you talking about. Never said anything about fame, but it will be unavoidable. The only thing Jay Leno would be throwing your way is a massive multi million dollar check for being on his show.
PL
You're right. multi-millions will be the amount that toilet paper get sold for.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
Nearly 100% of the population will have *no* interest in building their own "free energy" machine. The first priority should be to get the detailed replication information out there. After that, it would be almost *impossible* to not become rich from such an invention. Even if the Inventor does not want to sell the machines (maybe he's allergic to becoming filthy rich), he'll get every known media from the Jay Leno late night TV show to CNN *begging* the Inventor to be on their show. You could almost name your price. The Inventor will be swarmed with Publicist. Even the worst publicist in the world would make you filthy rich, period. After that there are endless ways to make hundreds of millions of dollars from books to toys.
Give away a simplified design for people who want to build it. Sell a more complex, durable, and powerful design for people nearly 100% of the population who does not want to build it.
PL
Paul,
everything important is lready said in this thread.
A short time-frame for worldwide spreading is very important too, as you already have mentioned.
Any other word will just describe some "changes" in our worlds structures,
and the following new industrial renaissance which will rewive after former destruction.
For sure, we will get some impact at every aspect by such a device.
Political, ecological, economical, academical, etc. This list can be extended to infinity.
What happens to 2 billion of people which dont even have electricity? Lots of questions..
But history will tell.
best,
Sushimoto
Quote from: broli on March 05, 2009, 03:22:20 PMPaul do not be deluded by fame. There will be no such thing. Actually we'd be VERY lucky if the whole economic system doesn't crash before this summer.
I'm not a doomsayer. I firmly believe in an ancient saying that goes --> In order for the new to come forth, the old must be destroyed. That's called birth pains, broli. Indeed, the economic system is crashing as we speak. Capitalism has always evolved over the decades in response to great changes, but the days of capitalism are coming to an end within ~ 1.5 decades to eventually be replaced with a society that is more giving and thinking about others than their own wallet. Open sourcing, etc. will be the thing. Does that mean we should all give up and think the world's coming to an end. Of course not. The future is greater than you know, broli, but expect a great and painful transition-- birth pains!!
PL
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Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 03:32:55 PM
I'm not a doomsayer. I firmly believe in an ancient saying that goes --> In order for the new to come forth, the old must be destroyed. That's called birth pains, broli. Indeed, the economic system is crashing as we speak. Capitalism has always evolved over the decades in response to great changes, but the days of capitalism are coming to an end within ~ 1.5 decades to eventually be replaced with a society that is more giving and thinking about others than their own wallet. Open sourcing, etc. will be the thing. Does that mean we should all give up and think the world's coming to an end. Of course not. The future is greater than you know, broli, but expect a great and painful transition-- birth pains!!
PL
"Birth Pains" is an good analogy.
Bravo.
In the last Days, i have studied a lot about Shiva, Brahma Vishna. Im not very religious,
but i do see a lot of analogies to our transition currently ongoing.
Best,
kawaii
Concerning your question about the form of corporation to found.
In Germany, we do have "Gemeinnuetzige Vereine/Institute" - will best fit to havee a "coomon roof".
Google translates that to "Non profit organization" which not really reflects what ist is.
Maybe something like "Non Profit Organisation by Law"...
I agree sushimoto. I'm also not religious. You could say I'm into spiritual scientific study, if that make sense to you-- not sure how to say it. Anyhow, it does seem like the "end times," but I firmly believe there will *not* be a world world III. Hopefully the transition will be as pain free as possible. :)
BTW, a guy who's had a magazine of electronic kits for over 15 years said that there's no real legal danger in selling the kits with only a few exceptions.
Also, a lot of people have told me that if the Inventor doesn't have any money that no lawyer is going to file a law suite, as it's a pointless task. When the Inventor has money, then they should seriously consider getting the device UL approved.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
I agree sushimoto. I'm also not religious. You could say I'm into spiritual scientific study, if that make sense to you-- not sure how to say it. Anyhow, it does seem like the "end times," but I firmly believe there will *not* be a world world III. Hopefully the transition will be as pain free as possible. :)
BTW, a guy who's had a magazine of electronic kits for over 15 years said that there's no real legal danger in selling the kits with only a few exceptions.
Also, a lot of people have told me that if the Inventor doesn't have any money that no lawyer is going to file a law suite, as it's a pointless task. When the Inventor has money, then they should seriously consider getting the device UL approved.
PL
Yes, that makes sense paul.
Its harder to find "spiritual" or philosphical unity than building a OU-device.
I consider this point more importatnt that the political aspects.
A FE-device will not bring a WW III, because wars are just another advantage for the industrial-lobby. i.E. "Illuminati"
But all of this is just theoretical, unless somebody is having such a device in reality.
I have carefully considered all of this, but at the end you have to "drop the bomb". You call it Big Smoking Gun"?
Nobody can consider all the consequences.
Yoa are always sounding like having something.... But what?
Can I build it? Can i verify it? Can i spread it to my neighborhood?
Can i invite some media to make my neighborhood public after all?
Nobody can kill or surpress my neighborhood.
Not offending, just a question.
best,
sushimoto
Broli
Yes the clock is ticking
Chet
Quote from: sushimoto on March 05, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
Yes, that makes sense paul.
Its harder to find "spiritual" or philosphical unity than building a OU-device.
I consider this point more importatnt that the political aspects.
A FE-device will not bring a WW III, because wars are just another advantage for the industrial-lobby. i.E. "Illuminati"
A lot of people are talking about the Illuminati. Is there a good book you recommend on this topic?
Quote from: sushimoto on March 05, 2009, 04:52:13 PMYoa are always sounding like having something.... But what?
Can I build it? Can i verify it? Can i spread it to my neighborhood?
Can i invite some media to make my neighborhood public after all?
Nobody can kill or surpress my neighborhood.
Not offending, just a question.
best,
sushimoto
That's true, a few years ago I was claiming to be very close. I was about two months away from building it, but a person who's name starts with a T kept asking me, three times in a row, to test his diode array. Finally I gave in-- my biggest mistake in decades! So in two years time I succeed in proving that passive diode arrays produce a DC voltage across a load. I tried to find companies to give me a price quote on having a diode array chip made, that according to the mathematics of conventional physics would produce usable amounts of power. Emails were sent to various semiconductor fabrications. Nobody replied! After getting upset with one company in email, they finally replied asking me to call them on phone. It seems they can't even give the reason in writing! This was frustrating. University professors are afraid to death of it. They have careers and reputations, and so why would they spend a lot of time verifying something when in their mind it won't work, and they'll get a bad rep from their peers for even wasting such time! I challenged the Randi organization that clearly states on their website they accept perpetual motion claims. Well, my claim is a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind. After sending two emails, Randi's organization refused to even reply to me! To make a long story short, I finally decided to go back to my magnetic research and finish where I left off.
PL
Yaeh paul the world is one f*cked place when you're a free thinker. If Tesla was given the support he needed back in his time we would be tripping to other galaxies without the use of a plant. Showing PROVING relativity is a hoax. Showing PROVING the existence of the either. Showing PROVING anti gravity where the person in the craft feels NO acceleration what so ever. What else do you need to go visit them pleiadians :p.
Maybe in 3 years what we call a million dollars will be a thousand dollars. Whatever. If a thousandaire is consider filthy rich then that's what the "free energy" inventor will be. ;D It's all relative.
Maybe in 7 years time the Moon & maybe Mars will be inhabited by thousandaires.
Does anyone have any good books on this Illuminati group?
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 06:14:42 PM
<SNIP<
Does anyone have any good books on this Illuminati group?
PL
Paul,
"Illuminati" refers originally to some secret foundation.
But in concern to modern times, it is more likely a synonym for a omnipotent lobby.
Some call it "rockefellers","flicks", MIB or such.
That synonym means the group of people, which took control over the industrial evolution,
when fossil fuel and depending branches decided to manipulate/rule the world.
Everybody should be dependent on oil instead of alternatives.
From that time on, like 180 Years ago, everything else was "forbidden".
Development of alternative and decentral energy-sources where damned.
... Like tesla and countless examples.
best,
sushimoto
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 05, 2009, 06:14:42 PM
Does anyone have any good books on this Illuminati group?
Bible.
Over the years there's been talk on the national radio station, Coast To Coast AM, about a group that sounds like that. Could this be the Illuminati -->
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/11/06.html
PL
Hello Paul,
Congratulations on your successful FE invention. I have been watching your threads (as have many hundreds of others) without speaking as I have nothing to add to your specific area of expertise. I am very happy for you in your moment of triumph.
It’s the beginning of the end of business as usual in the United States and eventually the whole world as well. The end of suppression, greed, powerful energy providers and those who monopolized (and gouged the hell out of us all) in the energy industry. The tables may finally be turned on them.
I have patented an electrical device before and started out with a provisional patent first. This provisional patent is only good for one year after filing the application. You have one year to convert it into a full patent which I would NOT recommend you do yourself. The provisional patent can be done yourself but I did mine with the help of an attorney. If you are interested, I am willing to send you copies of both my provisional patent application along with my full filing (normal) patent application which I hired a professional patent attorney to prepare and file with the US Patent and Trademark Office on my behalf. You could use them both as “templates†if you wish without incurring any cost at all to yourself.
I can NOT post them on this site as they both contain very sensitive and private personal information of mine but I will mail them or FAX them to any location you desire or feel comfortable with. Just say the word.
Sincerely,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on March 05, 2009, 08:15:07 PM
Hello Paul,
Congratulations on your successful FE invention. I have been watching your threads (as have many hundreds of others) without speaking as I have nothing to add to your specific area of expertise. I am very happy for you in your moment of triumph.
It’s the beginning of the end of business as usual in the United States and eventually the whole world as well. The end of suppression, greed, powerful energy providers and those who monopolized (and gouged the hell out of us all) in the energy industry. The tables may finally be turned on them.
I have patented an electrical device before and started out with a provisional patent first. This provisional patent is only good for one year after filing the application. You have one year to convert it into a full patent which I would NOT recommend you do yourself. The provisional patent can be done yourself but I did mine with the help of an attorney. If you are interested, I am willing to send you copies of both my provisional patent application along with my full filing (normal) patent application which I hired a professional patent attorney to prepare and file with the US Patent and Trademark Office on my behalf. You could use them both as “templates” if you wish without incurring any cost at all to yourself.
I can NOT post them on this site as they both contain very sensitive and private personal information of mine but I will mail them or FAX them to any location you desire or feel comfortable with. Just say the word.
Sincerely,
Joe
Hey Joe,
Great, that you have provisional patented a electrical device.
What do you think is the difference to any other patent controled by the government??
I cant believe, that you have read this thread an post such an "offer" in conclusion. :'( :'(
Sorry, bud that is scary.
best regards,
Sushimoto
Hi Joe,
Thanks very much! I would be interested, but it may be a few months before I'm ready to create a provisional patent. I'll email then.
Hi Sushimoto,
If I understand you correctly, we should not get a patent because the government would own it? I don't know about that since the government doesn't care if you patent the device with other countries, but if the Inventor does *not* patent their device then scam artists and powerful & wealthy companies could patent it. Owning something from prior-art is very iffy and risky! Posting the designs to forums, sending emails, letters, etc. is often *not* considered prior-art because it can be faked; e.g., hacking a server, faking a letter, etc. Prior-art is also recommended even though it's no guarantee to anything, but for $200 it's well worth the provisional patent. When the Invention makes money the person can have the device patented.
Thanks,
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 06, 2009, 11:26:42 AM
Hi Joe,
Thanks very much! I'll email you my address. I have every intent on getting a provisional patent when it's self-running, so using your provisional patent as a template would be very helpful.
Hi Sushimoto,
If I understand you correctly, we should not get a patent because the government would own it? I don't know about that since the government doesn't care if you patent the device with other countries, but if the Inventor does *not* patent their device then scam artists and powerful & wealthy companies could patent it. Owning something from prior-art is very iffy and risky! Posting the designs to forums, sending emails, letters, etc. is often *not* considered prior-art because it can be faked; e.g., hacking a server, faking a letter, etc. Prior-art is also recommended even though it's no guarantee to anything, but for $200 it's well worth the provisional patent. When the Invention makes money the person can have the device patented.
Thanks,
PL
Hi paul,
just a short info, how that works in my country.
Your idea is automtically protected by law after applying a patent for a period of time.
Without cost, without any special agreements lige provisoriums.
When i fax a patent-request to the office,
its protected from that moment, i can prove that is has been sent.
In that case, my fax receipt is prove enough.
So, there is no need in germany to ask
for something temporaryly and paying for it.
best,
sushi
Hello Paul,
Patenting seems to be the best avenue available for now. I say this for several reasons. Patenting something doesn’t prevent the owner from selling kits or giving out free information on replication requirements. It does, however, prevent dishonest people for trying to claim your invention as their own and profit from it at your own exclusion.
A few months ago I came across a set of plans for a very interesting hydrogen-on-demand type of invention. The plans were being sold for around $30 (US dollars) and I was going to return to the site to purchase these plans after doing some further research. It turned out that I had fortunately made a wise choice. I found the same exact set of plans being offered for free by an open source researcher who originally invented this particular variation of electrolysis. Some low life was selling his plans on another site and I’ll be willing to bet that the real inventor (the open source researcher/engineer) has little or no recourse he can take against the fake inventor as he has no patent or copyright protection.
And this is not the only time I’ve seen this little scam pulled. I hate to name names but I’ll hint at a manual that was being peddled RIGHT ON THIS SITE that was exactly the same as another inventor’s electric motor plans/designs many years in advance. These people are BOLD! They were doing this RIGHT HERE!
We should not need keys for our automobiles. We should not need passwords and secret codes for our banking accounts. We shouldn’t need to lock our doors, our school lockers or our home safes, but the reality is, we have to. We know that if we do not protect our valuables, more than willing thieves will take everything we have. If I’m wrong, then why can’t you find any houses that do not come with locks on the doors we you purchase them brand new?
We shouldn’t have to protect ourselves BUT YOU HAD BETTER BELIEVE WE HAVE TO! What is really scary, Sushimoto, is what dishonest crooks can do to honest people who don't protect themselves. What is also scary is that this is not common sense to you by now.
A patent affords the inventor a good deal of protection and this protection is only as good as the author of the patent. It is in the inventor’s best interest to fully disclose every single aspect of his invention in detail completely and without omission. A good patent should enable the reader to fully replicate the patented device right from the patent’s drawings, schematics and blueprints. You may ask why this is important. It is important because if someone else figures out what you omitted on purpose or on accident, they can file a patent on this aspect and get around your patent as you failed to mention what the other person is mentioning in their own version of your invention. You can’t claim patent infringement if you are not the one holding a patent on the details of how to accomplish something.
One classic example is that of Stanley Meyer. He left out many critical details in his many patents as well. If someone would have stumbled onto them while he was alive, how could he claim the details that he left out to be his own? He wouldn’t have been able to. His mistake was very silly. As soon as his product would have hit the market (that is if he hadn’t been poisoned to death) anyone could have disassembled his device and figured out what he had not disclosed in his patents. And don’t tell me that did NOT omit things from his patents. If his patents were completely forthcoming, others would have already been able to replicate his exact method of extracting hydrogen from water by now.
As for Sushimoto, the rules/laws in Germany do not apply to us here in the US until we become German citizens. Here in the US, even provisional patents costs money.
When you are ready, Paul, I will still FAX or mail you a copy of a provisional and full-on patent that I have filed with the USPTO. All I would ask in return is that you not disclose any of my personal information contained therein.
Regards,
Joe
you people never learn do you?
PLEASE do take the time to read this, PLEASE. jesus christ!
go here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.msg23272#msg23272
Hello FreeEnergy,
I had already read a long time ago what you have left for a link as of now. I don’t agree. You did NOT read carefully my last post. Just because you patent something does not mean you are prevented from selling or giving out free plans of your device. But if you give out free plans to your device without a patent, then lazy people can copy your plans and make a profit selling your hard work. Some may even be able to patent your device and sue you for patent infringement.
If you desire to make lazy thieves rich, go right ahead! Don’t let anybody stop you. Try open sourcing your credit card number and PIN number while you’re at it.
When you have a patent and go after a major corporation who has infringed on your patent, all of their GROSS PROFITS from the marketing of your invention become yours along with punitive damages and court costs. Yes, even your lawyer’s fees are paid for you at their expense, as long as they really broke the law and you have a legitimate case. And many attorneys will even take on a case like this for a percentage of the damages you recover.
Regards
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on March 07, 2009, 12:30:08 AM
<SNIP>
As for Sushimoto, the rules/laws in Germany do not apply to us here in the US until we become German citizens. Here in the US, even provisional patents costs money.
<SNIP>
Regards,
Joe
Hi Joe,
thanks for the explanation and i fully understand your point of of view and maybe experiences.
I mentioned to be scared what happens in the US locally.
To shorten this post, i just took the sentence, which is probably most important.
Most of the described ripp-Offs are happening in the US. If you look back in history,
you may notice, were most of "American" inventions are coming from.
Rockets, nuclear fusion, combustion-engines, etc.......................
That was done by your governments and some Texans. Look what they are did to get more oil.
And as of today, look at eBay.us..
Lots of "Products" sold, are coming from public domain "OpenSources". i.E. "Drycell", etc.
Here exactly is a big point to change. No matter, who is making some profit out of idealistic efforts,
if somebody has something, what really could change this world,
it should be spreaded Worldwide, instead of just faxing another patent to some US government department.
There must be some (slightly) hidden network, which pops the facts out in very short period of time.
Forums, press, Neighborhood, patent offices, etc.. in major countries.
best regards,
sushi
Open sourcing is good, but you can do both. Offer a free and simple version to open-source, and sell a more complex powerful version. I see nothing wrong with getting a provisional patent except that it cost a few hundred bucks. Sure, there will be copycats, but a provision patent will also prevent a lot of copycats. Hey, if it stops one copycat, then in the long run that will be worth a lot of money.
There are three good options.
1. Free simple version-- open source.
2. Sell a complex & improved version as a kit. The kit could be partially built. Get a patent or at least provisional patent.
3. Sell a complex & improved fully built and working version. Get a patent or at least provisional patent.
Until you can get the device UL listed, be certain to get a signed agreement from the buyer. This tip was highly recommended to me by a EE. He said that in the court of law in the USA, a signed agreement holds a *lot* of weight.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 07, 2009, 03:43:07 AM
Open sourcing is good, but you can do both. Offer a free and simple version to open-source, and sell a more complex powerful version. I see nothing wrong with getting a provisional patent except that it cost a few hundred bucks. Sure, there will be copycats, but a provision patent will also prevent a lot of copycats. Hey, if it stops one copycat, then in the long run that will be worth a lot of money.
There are three good options.
1. Free simple version-- open source.
2. Sell a complex & improved version as a kit. The kit could be partially built. Get a patent or at least provisional patent.
3. Sell a complex & improved fully built and working version. Get a patent or at least provisional patent.
Until you can get the device UL listed, be certain to get a signed agreement from the buyer. This tip was highly recommended to me by a EE. He said that in the court of law in the USA, a signed agreement holds a *lot* of weight.
PL
A good starter plan.
Tell me, if you need some support.
But not here. I dont want black helicopters around my house ;D
best,
sushimoto
::)
Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 07, 2009, 12:47:41 AM
you people never learn do you?
PLEASE do take the time to read this, PLEASE. jesus christ!
go here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.msg23272#msg23272
just in case...
I'm not talking about founding another secret organisation
like Paul Bauman or such kind of sect.
We have to learn about lost threads here and somewhere and make it better in the future.
Maybe in this forum there are buried some working FE-devices already as well as in 1million patents.
But they are buried in a lot of blabla.
know, what i mean?
besides of my grammatical lacks in english,
i know how to improve all of those failed attempts, because i am a pro in marketing on technical innovations.
I am just here to verify and i am totally clear about the facts,
why this open forum and such cannot work in the current society.
There is some reality out there
and not very much space for idealistic collaboration.
best regards,
sushimoto
At least until we change this via a grass roots movement to get these technologies out into the light...Patenting all depends on the genre the device is to be introduced in to.
If you invented a better clothes hanger, by all means patent it.
If you invented a free energy device... Study the success rate of all before you who also done so: Zero. Nada, Zilch. Several thousand have tried. None have succeeded in making it to market successfully using the Patent route.
Patents with free energy devices will get you...
< "Secretized" and ordered by Court Order to never talk about it again. According to Thomas Valone PhD and former Patent Office employee, it has happened over 3,000 times in the US alone. One way around this is to send out the full disclosure on the product to another country before filing the Patent Request.... But then they get very angry at you for doing that. These people are not good enemies to have.
< Targeted by large corporations or cartels who want to buy you out and shelve it (they WILL hear about very soon after the Patent Request is filed). If you say "no", maybe nothing will happen or maybe something will. Most will not be offered much money, because these people already have the technology and it becomes a question of cost to them: Buy-out or legal route (see below).
< Targeted by unscrupulous patent attorneys, corporations, and crank inventors who claim prior devices... And stuck in endless legal action nightmares. Think about this: Do you think that you are the first one in History to have thought of these devices???
< Nothing in the end, because the device will never see it to the market anyway. If you feel lucky, buy some lottery tickets; they are safer for you ;)
On the other hand Open Sourcing the device will get you:
> Free R&D help to improve the technology
> Multiple replications proving the concept
> Free independent testing. That and the above "replications" are priceless in combating skeptics and gaining credibility (YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IN GETTING TO A DEVICE TO MARKET)
> A larger and wider chance of getting academic or mainstream scientific approval / vetting. When there are multiple independent replications... You can convince a local college Professor to study the device easier... And the working devices are more widely available for study. These scientists and professors constantly worry about being laughed at by their peers... And require a good deal of data to "cover their rears" first before they will agree to risk their careers.
> Free help in identifying and targeting parallel technologies and applications. This is a huge problem when trying to Patent, because with such a revolutionary device it takes several millions in money , and many years, to to tie-up all the parallel uses and it is nearly impossible to do anyway. With many peeps helping in the Open Source route, these parallel devices can also be attributed as a result of your original idea... So the entire subject is "open sourced" harder for others to patent as "their" idea (not that they would be likely to be successful with patents either lol).
> No danger from "secretization". It's too late! The barn door is open and the horse is out all ready ;)
> Less danger of being preyed upon by attorneys who make it their business to harass inventors. WHAT can they do to you, if you are not trying to sell it? NOTHING. Even if there were a hundred patents tying it up tighter than a drum... If you are not trying to profit directly from it, there is nothing they can do.
There are lots of ways to make money other than direct sales. Once the world knows you are the inventor of such a device, you can sell millions of books. Or do lecture tours, naming your own price. You can sell your biography book or movie rights. You can form a Foundation for research, and get a decent salary from it on top of any promotions. And you can sell the rights to your name to be put on parallel devices (your enemies will not be able to tie-up all the parallel applications with patents any better than you could ;) ).
Quote from: jibbguy on March 07, 2009, 12:14:11 PM
At least until we change this via a grass roots movement to get these technologies out into the light...Patenting all depends on the genre the device is to be introduced in to.
I absolutely, totally, perfecty AREE with all you said.
Stefan should make this thread sticky,
and maybe close it because this thread already contains
the essence of all of this kind of discussions.
This thread could be a good reference for further "opinions" and
should not get buried like all the others before..
Best regards,
sushimoto
One of my biggest concerns, almost a major problem, is *freely* revealing the details without having some one or some wealthy company patenting it. Here's my point, open-sourcing is great, I love it, but a lot of people are unaware that posting their details on a forum or by email is extremely questionable as holding weight in the court of law in terms of prior-art! I've posted links to companies that *specialize* in publishing prior-art that counts in court of law. Such companies have a magazine (real paper, not digital online stuff) with significant distribution, and they will also print your research/prior-art online. One company used to charge $150.
This is an old issue that I've discussed in length with a lot of experts who specialize it. That's why I always try to post my stuff at a lot of places, and cross my fingers it's good enough.
So, here I am again, today, with another major breakthrough in my research, in my Free Energy design #3, the solid-state design, but now the design is getting to the point, IMO, where a lot of common knowledgeable people could actually build the device and get it self-running with perhaps 1 year of hard work.
jibbguy,
My plan has never been to patent it first. Rather, it is to spend a day getting tens of thousands of people to see the device running while handing out papers that contain the exact detailed instructions to build one. Then on the second day it would be patented. With my name on tens of thousands of papers should hold a lot of weight in court if someone tries to quickly patent it. Also, tens of thousands of people having the instructions, people who saw the machine running right before their eyes, could spread the information to prevent it from being buried.
PL
Paul even though you may have started the thread, my comments are not aimed at you at all. Nor are the below comments aim at you at all either ( or any other specific inventor..for obvious reasons, lol ;) )
Another important aspect of Open Source reproduction that is beneficial to the Free Energy communities at large is this:
Open Source is an automatic filter in a number of ways; which helps our general credibility... And right now that needs all the help it can get ;)
> We will only see those devices that the inventor actually believes work offered up for reproduction. Scam artists and fakers won't bother; because they would soon be torn a new one here ;) Lol half of the F-E You-Tubes that come out are found to be fakes within the first half hour here. There may also be "honestly deluded" inventors too, for sure.... But in this environment at least they will soon learn important facts about the limitations of their devices before wasting a fortune and years on the Patent route. And all information may be helpful in the end; failures are the road to eventual success.
> The inventor or proponent for the technology will have to "sell" the usefulness and general concept to the Open Source engineers here and other places in order to get the attention and help he or she needs to get people to replicate it. Believe me, if you can't sell your concepts here to people who are not chained by knee-jerk skepticism, you have no hope in the business world of ever getting a dime; or of convincing a mainstream scientist or Professor to risk their career on it ;)
> The VERY knowledgeable peeps we have here with many years of experience will see-though a copy of another device very quickly. That may be OK to replicate and study anyway, but those who try to steal ideas and claim them as their own won't get very far... This does not mean that we should not study others' concepts... Only that claiming them as our own is wrong. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, and giving credit where due is the only ethical course... And in the end, the only course that would succeed (we don't need controversies like that when trying to get new tech released to the mainstream). But as long as a person does give full credit to another, then there is no reason not to study and replicate, even when the person pushing it is not the inventor at all. Knowledge of free energy technology belongs to the Human Race... And there is no law stopping us from building these devices for our own "use" and "study".
It all needs to be about more than money. I am not very "mystical" but i do believe that those who do things for others will be repaid (...here on Earth, too that is ;) ).
jibbguy,
Those are good ideas, a lot of ideal thoughts. There's one thing that stands out, which is --> Sorry everyone, but the "free energy" forums will be the ***LAST*** place I will post the "Grand Smoking Gun!" For any individual (could be a Texan who's trying to disparately protect his long time family owned oil producing land) or company or Middle Eastern oil rich group etc. etc. who wants to prevent Global Free Energy, this website would be the first place to monitor! So why take a chance? It will be the best, but cheapest life insurance you could ever buy. Don't worry, everyone here will know. People in the Los Angeles county will be the first to see it, and get the papers. Then the large common forums, media email, etc will see the posts. Then last place, this forum.
PL
Quote from: jibbguy on March 07, 2009, 02:10:33 PMScam artists and fakers won't bother; because they would soon be torn a new one here ;) Lol half of the F-E You-Tubes that come out are found to be fakes within the first half hour here.
BTW, I totally agree. If I wanted to scam or f-up the "free energy" community, I would create an alias username (for obvious reasons), spend about 3 days making a kick-a** fake video (and trust you me, that would be so easy), say what everyone wanted to hear, makes tons of friends, etc. etc. There are people who do that, and a lot of these people have *zero* intent on making a dime. So it doesn't take much to see what they're trying to do.
LOL, and you people wonder why this forum would be the last place I would post the "Grand Smoking Gun." Oh humanity is in for the shock of their life when they invent a time camera that will allow them to peer into the past and see what's happening on this planet, LOL. The following will be the first time I've publicly said this --> And what surprised me the most was when I learned that most of these people are acting as Big Brother by passively & gently guiding humanity in the ***so-called*** correct direction. Please don't ask how I know this. I totally disagree with their actions, as they are passive-aggressive. Let us make our own mistakes. If a few insane leaders try to nuke the world, then by all means stop it, but we global free energy. We need to stop oil burning polluting energy that has caused wars, that is killing the environment. "Free energy" would halt the slaughter of forests/environments being cut down, to allow home builders replace wood with steel in the same way they make company buildings. Sure, it requires a lot of ***energy*** to make steel, but "free energy" will solve that. A high percentage of the Earth is made of iron oxides. It requires a lot of energy to separate the oxygen atoms. Solar & wind energy still costs money.
PL
I'll have to admit that I haven't read this entire thread yet - but most of the devices which use electricity are going to emit some type of electromagnetic radiations ( emanations ) even if these devices have a COP > 1, there is potential for them to create radio interference which may devastate local airwaves.
The possibility of this happening is high given the nature of fast switching transistors and the sheer number of devices which purport to use an antenna or coil setup.
This is just a consideration. This is also why the patent office grounded Joseph Newman's energy machine when they tested it. They wanted to isolate the circuit. ( as for Newman ) his device has lately been pumping water or making a really heavy truck go slowly - ..water has a tendency to want to come up out of the ground of it's own accord in some places. His truck is just unverified at this point.
i must strongly disagree (with Paul that is, lol). And i must point out that imo that with most people, such opinions and feelings are usually based on things that have nothing to do with the facts; but come from within ourselves.
For instance: The constant insistence here on this site made by many, that everyone else that doesn't agree with them must be a NWO shill, or deluded.
I would ask that we all stop and examine the root causes for these feelings. They come from within, and they are generally based on narcissism. It is human nature, and not a crime lol; but we differ from the animals in having the ability to recognize these things within ourselves, and letting reason disarm them. We don't have to be a slave to these feelings. And we must view other's opinions as a challenge to understand their viewpoint, and not as an attack on our own self-worth.
And i would ask you all to please use some common sense when considering these subjects. Assuming the MIB's exist and are still actively searching out free energy inventors to threaten and kill (and this is a topic that is in hot debate)... They then are going to go after the most secretive inventors: Those who insist on not telling anyone the true secrets of their technology. That way, it is a simple, "clean" job to get rid of them and the technology. Those who come here, share what they know, and interact with many others all over the world, will be a large risk to attack in some way; for little gain... Because the info is already out there. "Getting rid" of such peeps, known to thousands, is dangerous. And this creates martyrs to the cause which would gain several times more "followers" than if the person was left alone... because if a person is "disappeared", and it is known about by us, then that automatically lends credence to the technology or cause they were promoting ("Why would they bother if it was a scam anyway"?). These supposed bad people are humans who have fears and worries about their own safety, and their "bosses" worry about the risks even more than they do. They will not take risks for little reason, or for small result.
Regarding this site, and the suggestion to not make important declarations here.... I would remind all of us to look at the long, long Thread List at the opening page.... There are dozens that optimistically proclaim : "THIS IS IT!" in so many words. It may be true that one or more of them may really be "it"... But it takes hard work and diligence by many to determine this. Which takes time. Which means that by the time the tech is verified as being "for real" and not just another "Half-Baked Idea"... it is too late for them to stop... Unless they stop them all. This site's (and the other Open Source/Free Energy site's) existence in the first place would suggest that is not their "plan". Will they watch it? Sure. But that does not automatically suggest any action other than them knowing the jig will soon be up; and it's time for a new profession ;)
I'm sure "Shills" (paid internet writers who try and steer subjects or sow trouble and who most often use tactics of ad-hominem personal attack and derision) are around here, like they are in many political and mainstream news blogs. They certainly exist (it is a regular "web occupation", and they work through Contractors who hire them and give them their assignments, never knowing for sure who is the actual Client) ; as do "Trolls" who are unpaid; but so strong in their beliefs or in their own "superiority" or anger & disappointment that they do exactly the same things as Shills do for free, lol. Unemployed lawyers often do this paid shill work, lol. I guess they are supposed to be good at debate, but my experience is they pretty much suck at it ;)
They are toothless in the end, all they can do is comment. To those who think freely, cannot be intimidated, and wish for truth... They are gadflies. And they certainly can't hurt you ;)
I can see two groups in the "free energy" community. 1. Researchers who are on to something legit. 2. Those who watch and speculate. Until one is in group 1, they have no clue what's happening behind the scenes. Suggesting people are imagining whatever based on feelings is nothing more than speculation. There's a third group, but I'll leave them out for now.
PL
I can't speak for others, but I don't need other people to verify any solid-state "free energy" machine that I may build. A machine that is self-running and produces thousands of times more energy than it starts with is *very* easy to verify. If I built & personally verified such a machine, every detail to build one will become globally known, no chances *what so ever* would be taken, and therefore this and other "free energy" forums would be the last place to see the details for reasons outlined in previous posts. That is the logical and safe and nearly 100% guaranteed option.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 07, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
I can't speak for others, but I don't need other people to verify any solid-state "free energy" machine that I may build. A machine that is self-running and produces thousands of times more energy than it starts with is *very* easy to verify. If I built & personally verified such a machine, every detail to build one will become globally known, no chances *what so ever* would be taken, and therefore this and other "free energy" forums would be the last place to see the details for reasons outlined in previous posts. That is the logical and safe and nearly 100% guaranteed option.
PL
Hi Paul,
you can be sure. that in the internet are also vistors from other countries,
which are lurking with a positve intention.Not MIB only.
It very hard, to figure out who and which project to support
in order to bring it on track to the world.
There is so much fraud, overenthusiasm and desinformation.
If somebody has verified it by himself and his neighborhood,
the same must happen across the borders in a very short time.
Better, in the same time.
How is you Plan on that?
Will you travel? Will you ship it to friends overseas? Ebay for masses?
Best regards,
sushimoto
Quote from: sushimoto on March 08, 2009, 07:51:58 AM
If somebody has verified it by himself and his neighborhood,
the same must happen across the borders in a very short time.
Better, in the same time.
How is you Plan on that?
Will you travel? Will you ship it to friends overseas? Ebay for masses?
Best regards,
sushimoto
Hi,
My design would be extremely obvious and easy to verity. The models used to demonstrate the machine would *not* contain a battery to *sustain* it. Rather, there will be a capacitor that sustains the machine. To start the machine, it would require the capacitor to be charge, and from there the capacitor could run the machine. Everything, including the circuit, would run off the capacitor. The circuit would use the cap energy to energize the coils, etc. etc., which would in turn charge another capacitor, and from there the circuit would move that cap energy back to the original cap.
That's the one sentence overly simplified description, but in short, the amount of energy to start the machine would be *infinitesimally* small compared to the amount of energy the machine produced per second. For every second that it would run, means that much more energy gain.
As to exactly what I'll do when *I* verify it is still unknown. I have no plans of traveling far, maybe 5 to 10 miles at most because I live in Los Angeles country, which is packed jam with people. Tens of thousands of people out here in Los Angeles will receive papers describing everything, and maybe a few hundred DVD's will be handed out. For the moment I'm undecided if it should be demonstrated out in the open public (thus risking being jailed by the police for who knows what, perhaps disturbing the public, LOL), or demonstrated in private. Perhaps I'll tell the people where it will be demonstrated, a safe place.
PL
Hey I'm in Los Angeles. If you open source this thing in a private meeting or whatever I will definitely be there. As long as it is OPEN SOURCE. And as long as you have the part numbers, where to buy the parts, tutorial on how to build it, etc. Then I will help you mass distribute this idea to others NO CHARGE. In fact I will buy blank CD/DVDs myself burn your idea inside and pass them around for people interested which will be most likely friends and not strangers, well strangers will be last :-)
FreeEnergy,
Thanks. Upon success I'll take you up on your offer.
There's a part of me that is hoping Steorn beats me to the punch because the first person who successfully presents a legit perpetual motion machine to the public will from thereafter will be treated like a movie star. To a lot of people that sounds great ..., but not to me! It means never again have the peace and quiet of going to the store or any place in public. Hey, at least I'll have the money to help save the Whales from the sicko japanese whale murdering fleets, and maybe help stop the slaughter of the forest gorillas and chimps, and also cancer researcher, and the massive slaughter to natural forests for wood, etc. etc. That's what drives me! How any rich person can live a life in filthy rich luxury while all these horrendous acts are taking place is beyond me!!! ... Sorry, all of that really boils my blood and gets me going.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 09, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
FreeEnergy,
Thanks. Upon success I'll take you up on your offer.
There's a part of me that is hoping Steorn beats me to the punch because the first person who successfully presents a legit perpetual motion machine to the public will from thereafter will be treated like a movie star. To a lot of people that sounds great ..., but not to me! It means never again have the peace and quiet of going to the store or any place in public. Hey, at least I'll have the money to help save the Whales from the sicko japanese whale murdering fleets, and maybe help stop the slaughter of the forest gorillas and chimps, and also cancer researcher, and the massive slaughter to natural forests for wood, etc. etc. That's what drives me! How any rich person can live a life in filthy rich luxury while all these horrendous acts are taking place is beyond me!!! ... Sorry, all of that really boils my blood and gets me going.
PL
Yes paul,
i have the same rebell-feelings about the same issues and some more.
But in the meantime i have grown old enough to handle my anger wisely,
without getting hurted. Hope you hear no plop-shots after letting the emotions out here. ;D
LOL
Keep on going.
best,
sushimoto
Hi Sushimoto,
Don't let old age let you settle down and give up on trying to help the world!! One good thing about old age is the tendency for the mind to eventually dominate the emotional system for the expression of *positive* emotions. Emotions can be a powerful force *when the mind* is the controlling factor. The *desire* to help all life at the cost of self is one of the greatest positive emotions ever. Such emotions, dominated by the mind, may seem like "anger" to most people, but they are intense positive emotions with the goal of helping other beings.
Helping the world is my life, and will be till my last breath on Earth.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 09, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Hi Sushimoto,
Don't let old age let you settle down and give up on trying to help the world!! One good thing about old age is the tendency for the mind to eventually dominate the emotional system for the expression of *positive* emotions. Emotions can be a powerful force *when the mind* is the controlling factor. The *desire* to help all life at the cost of self is one of the greatest positive emotions ever. Such emotions, dominated by the mind, may seem like "anger" to most people, but they are intense positive emotions with the goal of helping other beings.
Helping the world is my life, and will be till my last breath on Earth.
PL
Hey Paul,
i am not THAT old to settle down in wheelchair. (unless its driven by some Grand smoking gun.)
I will help the world as i already do for my neighborhood. ;)
There is no ego fighting against positive emotions and $$$$$ is not my subject...
Okay maybe $ to pay my bills. ;D
Your words are good to describe it.
best regards,
sushi
I hope this is easy enough for anyone to build.
Most average people have no clue on how to even build a simple circuit amongst many other things in this field of electronics.
i am sure you already know this but i'll say it anyway, if you are going to make a tutorial video/text/verbal please include:
0. what this technology can be used for i.e. power a home, electric car, etc
1. what is open source technology and why its important, and why keep this technology open source.
2. what exact tools will be needed and where one can buy them
3. what exact parts will needed and where one can buy them
4. safety precautions
5. how to put this project together part for part. along with some more safety precautions.
6. how this project can be improved for more power etc. along with some more safety precautions.
7. where to go on-line to share improvements or local community gathering for this technology, etc
8. encourage people to share with other family/friends. open source.
If I'm missing something please add to the list.
hope this helps, see you later.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 10, 2009, 02:53:55 AM
I hope this is easy enough for anyone to build.
Most average people have no clue on how to even build a simple circuit amongst many other things in this field of electronics.
i am sure you already know this but i'll say it anyway, if you are going to make a tutorial video/text/verbal please include:
0. what this technology can be used for i.e. power a home, electric car, etc
1. what is open source technology and why its important, and why keep this technology open source.
2. what exact tools will be needed and where one can buy them
3. what exact parts will needed and where one can buy them
4. safety precautions
5. how to put this project together part for part. along with some more safety precautions.
6. how this project can be improved for more power etc. along with some more safety precautions.
7. where to go on-line to share improvements or local community gathering for this technology, etc
8. encourage people to share with other family/friends. open source.
If I'm missing something please add to the list.
hope this helps, see you later.
Hi,
After making it public in the web, maybe you guys can open up an real "OpenSource"-Shop in LA,
where people come in to get your stuff.
But choose a location without windows at the opposite side of the street.
Paul is very sensitive to plopping balloons. *grin*
best wishes,
sushimoto
I personally think open sourcing is the best way to go.It might be ok to patent in another country(not the usa) so some else can't come along,patent it and put it on the shelf.Keeping you from using your own invention for the benefit of others.I heard someone did this on a solar cooker design.triffid
Thank you for noting that about the solar cooker, Triffid. Yes, this is what we did while I was at Brigham Young University -- we applied for a patent that I had invented, but did not actually pursue getting it granted. By applying, we prevented someone else from "patenting it out from under us" -- so that we could give it away freely, which we did.
The idea is freely available (google e.g. solar funnel cooker jones) online, and cheap to build. See photo below -- I gave some to Yeah Samake of Mali (shown) and HUNDREDS out to other developing countries.
I would LOVE to see something like this happen with freedom energy; I would not sell out to Big Oil (or any BIG company that really wants to delay it), I assure you!!