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Title: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 04:28:42 AM
This is a rough single cylinder engine formula. If you dont mind,, call it hydrocars forumula,, i worked very very hard for it.

If you used 7 liters to run your engine, then your formula is 7000/4 = 1750 ccs. Meaning get your *  an injector and that engine will run on 1750 cc's.

If you used 4 liters per min then this is your forumula. 4000/4 = 1000, Get you an injector, and you'll run that engine on 1 liter.

if you used 6 liters per min to run it, then 6000/4 = 1500,, get you an injector!

if you used 5.7 liters to run the single cylinder than 5700/4 = 1425 Get you an injector, run this engine on 1425 cc's!!!!!!

THIS MATH DOES NOT WORK WITH ANY ENGINE OTHER THAN A SINGLE CYLINDER ENGINE< DO NOT APPLY THIS MATH ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN A 1 CYLINDER.

YOUR PRODUCTION / 4 IS HOW MUCH YOUR ENGINE IS RUNNING ON. GOOD DAY

ITS NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR MR MEYER, I better see a phenonomon soon!!!!!!!

The good news, we can generate electricity!!!!!
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 07:36:23 AM
Hydrocars... dear, dear me... the mind boggles.

And you wonder why Buzz and I became so intolerant of you.

Here you are doing it again. What for crying out loud are you talking about now?

QuoteIf you used 7 liters to run your engine, then your formula is 7000/4 = 1750 ccs. Meaning get your *  an injector and that engine will run on 1750 cc's.

7 litres?  How many 7 litre single cylinder engines do you know of??

QuoteThis is a rough single cylinder engine formula. If you dont mind,, call it hydrocars forumula,, i worked very very hard for it.

Apart from being your usual meaningless rubbish, it's simple division - you call that a formula? You worked very hard to divide two figures.... what!  The one thing I can say about you hydro, is that you never cease to amaze me! You seriously need your head looking at matey!

If people still can't see just what an attention grabbing, useless muppet you are by now, then I guess they never will. 

How Stefan sleeps at night after banning Buzz, while allowing the likes of you to continue spouting this garbage, is quite beyond me! 

Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 10:14:24 AM
Spewing

Yes I see your point COMPLETELY NOW Don't dump[waste] the HHO
Inject it just when you need it [use a lot less HH0 and get the job done]
Can you embellish  on this
Yes with this we can make electricity and power other things [do you have a 3cyl justy?]
Of course ,  We need to show more work done than power used
Thank You
Chet
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 07:36:23 AM
Hydrocars... dear, dear me... the mind boggles.

And you wonder why Buzz and I became so intolerant of you.

Here you are doing it again. What for crying out loud are you talking about now?

7 litres?  How many 7 litre single cylinder engines do you know of??

Apart from being your usual meaningless rubbish, it's simple division - you call that a formula? You worked very hard to divide two figures.... what!  The one thing I can say about you hydro, is that you never cease to amaze me! You seriously need your head looking at matey!

If people still can't see just what an attention grabbing, useless muppet you are by now, then I guess they never will. 

How Stefan sleeps at night after banning Buzz, while allowing the likes of you to continue spouting this garbage, is quite beyond me! 




SMALL ENGINES IDLE AT AROUND 800 RPMS, if yours is idling at 1k you got problems.

Your Generator is at 13.3 Revs per One Full Second, Can you comprehend that you retarded little bastard?

Now, you son of a bitch, your valve opens 6.6 times of that second, for 250 milliseconds. And about 750 milliseconds your valve is closed.

Each Rev takes you 1000 ms / 13.3   ("75.1")  milliseconds PER REV.


Since your valve opens 6.6 times in one second, then 6.7 * 75.1 is 495.66 rev's your valve would use when it opens. Since your valve does never stay open A full rev, But only a half Rev,495.66 / 2 = 247.83 SO if your retarded ass just got lost in the math, Then the valve openings consume up an entire total of 247 MS in that one second period.

Now that you know your valve consumes up 247 ms then you know it does it 6.6 times, so again 247/6.6 = 37.4 milliseconds. Your valve stays open 37.4 milliseconds you arogent little infant.

Now i learned your sorry no good non testing ass that the valve stays open at 37.4 ms at 800 RPM's, i hope your sphegettie little brain can compute that.
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Now, i can give a shit less how many liters of gas you use to run your engine, you can use 2, 5 6 8 40 liters whatever, i don't care what it is. Whatever you use to run your engine, This math applies.

I never said a 7 liter engine you dumb FUCKING PRICK, Get a life and get a job you no good piece of shit.

IF YOU USED 7 liters to RUN THIS ENGINE, THEN 7000/4 =1750,,, thats what you'll use to run it if you use injections,,, 1750 cc's.. EVEN BETTER

1750 / 60 = 29.1 cc's per second, LETS CHECK THAT

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7000 / 60 = 116.6 cc's per second

(1000/116.6 = 8.5763293310463121783876500857633 MS)

in 8.5 Milliseconds you PRODUCE 1 CC, OR  1 MiLLITER of gas. CHECK IT, 8.5763293310463121783876500857633 *  116.6 CC is 1000

NOW YOUR ENGINES VALVE OPENS FOR 37.4 MS ON IDLE EACH TIME, TOTAL OF 246.84 MS ((37.4 * 6.6 = 246ms))

Each OPENING you need 37.4 / 8.5 = 4.4 CC's Per Valve Opening, And there is 6.6 of them, SO 6.6 * 4.4 = 29.04 CC"S PER SECOND you will need to be producing, JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU 7000/4 IS 1750 you need to run this engine. 1750 / 60 IS 29.1 CC"S PER SECOND you Retard.
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So you can SEE, 116 / 4 is 29, your idiot ass dont understand Flow rate, How can you EVER understand how to do the math when you have to calculate every 90 Degree's for a 4 cylinder, every 60 Degree's for a 6, 180 for a 2 cyinder, 120 degree's for a 3, 30 deg for a 12.

So how much gas do you need then? Thats right your to fucking stupid to answer the Question~
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THE ONLY RETARD AROUND HERE IS YOU, YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT IS NO HELP TO THIS TECH.


IF YOU NEED 29.1 CC'S OF GAS IN THAT 250 MS TIME PERIODE YOU MUST BE PRODUCING 7.2 CC'S EVERY 250 MS TO GET IT! WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER CYLINDER AT 90 DEGREE'S THINGS CHANGE, THIS IS WHY THE MATH DOES NOT WORK WITH ANTHING MORE THAN 1 CYLINDER.

YOUR AN AROGENT LITTLE PRICK AND YOU NEED YOUR ASS KICKED, I WANT TO BREAK YOUR ARMS AND SHUV THEM UP YOUR ASS




YOU BETTER START PROVING ME WRONG AND STOP WITH THE RETARDED COMMENTS, BECAUSE I DONT SEE YOU PROVING ANYTHING WRONG, SO YES YOU LITTLE BITCH; IF YOUR USING 10 LITERS TO RUN A 1 CYLINDER, AND THAT MAY BE BECAUSE YOUR PULLING A 5K WATT LOAD, THEN THE SAME MATH APPLIES

10000/4 = 2500 CC'S YOU'LL NEED TO RUN THAT ENGINE IF YOU USE AN INJECTOR. SO YOU CAN TAKE THIS MATH, BASED ON WHAT YOU USE WITHOUT AND INJECTOR, AND DETERMINE WHAT YOU CAN BE USING. SO YES THIS MATH IS VALUABLE, ITS NOT SHITTY THOUGHT LIKE YOU MAKE.


THE DIFF BETWEEN ME AND YOU,,,,,,, I HELP THE TECHNOLOGY, YOU DO NOT, GET A LIFE BIATCH!

Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 12:16:30 PM
Chet, how old are you 10... 11 years old?

Clearly you're not adult or educated enough to see Hydros nonsense for what it is - you've been brainwashed by their garbage and you're clearly as mad as them now.

I see you've now that you too have completely lost your marbles and gone over to the dark side.

Stefan, this whole forum is becoming a pointless waste of space!  Do something about it before it's too late!
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 12:16:30 PM
Chet, how old are you 10... 11 years old?

Clearly you're not adult or educated enough to see Hydros nonsense for what it is - you've been brainwashed by their garbage and you're clearly as mad as them now.

I see you've now that you too have completely lost your marbles and gone over to the dark side.

Stefan, this whole forum is becoming a pointless waste of space!  Do something about it before it's too late!
THE ONLY WAST OF SPACE I SEE IS YOU, WHY DONT YOU GET YOU A CALCULATOR, A PEN AND PAPER,,, GET YOUR ASS UP A THREAD ABOVE AND PROVE ME WRONG YOU SNOT NOSE LITTLE PRICK.

STOP TERRORIZING THE TECH MAN, IM RIGHT YOU KNOW IT! YOU CAN NOT PROVE MY MATH WRONG

YOU CAN NOT PROVE MY MATH WRONG
YOU CAN NOT PROVE MY MATH WRONG
YOU CAN NOT PROVE MY MATH WRONG
YOU CAN NOT PROVE MY MATH WRONG

MY MATH WORKS, YOU DONT LIKE IT, YOUR A CUM SUCKER, YOU SHOULD GO SUCK A COW BONG GET A LIFE YOU PEICE OF TRASH, YOU NEED YOUR HEAD BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WANT TO COME TO WASHINGTON ONE DAY TO THE HYDROGEN SHOW, WINK WINK

WHY DO YOU TRY AND COVERUP THE TRUTH, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF


I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU A ENGINE THAT NORMALLY RUNS ON 7 LITERS RUN ON ABOUT 1.7 LITERS, AND YOUR GOING TO LIKE IT BECAUSE I AM GOING TO MAKE YOU LIKE IT YOU LITTLE INFANT
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 12:42:04 PM
Now c'mon Hydro, spit it out... don't beat about the bush... say it as you see it...

QuoteFor 1,, your a retarded mother fucker, and a basterd, and i want to bust your god damn brains out, You follow me around, i ever get information of you i'll bust your eye from your head!  I hate stalkers, and i hate you. You are a son of a bitch! Your a mother fuckar that needs your eye's beat from your head, you need your teeth nocked plum the fuck down you motherfucking throat you peice of shit trash

for 2, you pee brain ignorant little Prick

Nope Hydro, I doubt if that quote will ever make it to the pages of New Scientist! 

I follow you around like a mother trying to clean up the mess after baby has shit himself all over the place, hoping that not too many people will tread in it! And let's face it, you leave a mess wherever you go with your verbal diarrhoea!

Stay at ionizationx.com with the rest of your muppet fraternity and leave the grown-ups to discuss things intelligently.

Actually, the real difference between myself and you Hydro (apart from the fact that I can spell... and you even struggle to spell the naughty words), is that I live in the real world and you live in some fantasy world, where science is just a figment of your imagination... where clouds are made of marshmallow and houses are made of blueberry muffins and chocolate.

You serve just one purpose on this forum, that is to give educated and intelligent people a good laugh!

The only mystery bigger than Meyer's water fuelled car, is why any self-respecting forum has not yet seen fit to forever ban you and your never-ending garbage.


Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 12:48:21 PM
Farrah

I don't like to discourage a man that is actually doing something OPEN SOURCE

I also don't like banging my head against the wall

always avoid doing both

Chet

I see your IQ gives you excellent nasty skills

The man is going to show you right here how he does it [does that scare you somehow?]

What I see IN THIS THREAD is ONE MEMBER PROVOKING ANOTHER and contributing  nothing else also trying to ban an experimenter

And I see a man making a claim he is prepared to back up RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OR YOUR FACE
COOL IT MISS
Chet
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Thaelin on March 12, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
   OMG   :o ;D

And I thought I had a bad temper.

Really you two, how about a few degrees down bubble. No sense to
get banned.

thay
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 12:51:00 PM
I CAN CLEARLY SEE YOUR OVOIDING MY MATH.

THATS OK, BECAUSE THE OTHER TESTERS OUT THERE,,, THEY WILL NOTICE WHAT IM SAYING, AND THEY WILL REALIZE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I THINK THEY CAN DRAW UP THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS.


I THINK YOU ARE ONLY HERE TO HERT THE TECH, THIS IS VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY CLEAR NOW, BECAUSE YOU JUST PUT DOWN SOMEONES WORK THAT IS "RIGHT"

NOW WHY WOULD YOU TRY AND PUT DOWN SOMEONE THAT WAS RIGHT,, PERHAPS THERE IS SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT YOU, PERHAPS YOU DONT WANT ANYONE KNOWING THE TRUTH,,, WELL THE TRUTH IS HERE AND THE TRUTH WILL BE READ, AND IT WILL BE REPLICATED, AND THE PEOPLE WILL SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU HAVE GIVEN THIS MATH ATTENTION, THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, YOU SHOW YOUR WAY OF DIRECTION, AND THATS TRYING TO MISLEAD THE ECONOMY INTO BEING A FAILURE. WELL I TRY TO HELP THEM, NOT MISLEAD THEM, THEY WILL DO MY MATH AND THEY WILL SEE EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING, AND WHEN THEY REALIZE IT YOUR ASS IS HISTORY BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GOING TO PISS ON YOU
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
So
Back on topic[Spewing's]

Do you have any ideas on how  the circuit to trigger the injectors will look and PSI ?
Chet
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
Psi is related to flow rate,

You have to build up some pressure to get the system kickstarted, pressure is related to flow rate, they must be good.

ERRRR, ERRRRR Little baby, My Lord,,, Read my math, it may be all you have left of me

The Forumula, Production / 4 was no easy formula for me to come it with, it took me days and many many many numbers to achieve that formula, when he says it was easy he has no freaking ideal what i went threw to gain that formula,,,, There is formulas for other engines,,, but im not sure i'm going to stick around long enough to learn them and share them so ass can tell you how easy it is... a


If its so darn easy why dont you ask mr smarty pants the formula for the other engines ehh???


outlaw, i made an error in yours as well as stevies, stevies was 1k L not sure what yours was, im sick of helping others because they want even try and prove my math wrong, thats the least you could do, try to prove my math wrong. I'm not talking about being 5 numbers off either, realize i calculated that while i posted, im prone to have a 12 digite error margin for the sum i have provided. 
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
Hydro

Maybe I've got you wrong, because on further consideration, I don't think you could be as stupid as you make out even if you practised for a long, long time. In fact I'm not sure anyone could be genuinely as stupid as you make out.

There can only be one explanation for you then: You are spook, and your mission is to disrupt every forum by recruiting an army of illiterate misfits to degenerate the forums and so prevent intelligent minds from getting together and actually making progress.

Educated people will no doubt see you for what you are - it's just a shame that they will not post and you and your kind are free to roam unchallenged.

I guess this forum is no longer worthy and has sunk far below the level to which most intelligent people are prepared to go in order to take part.

How sad it is when mindless stupidity wins out over intelligence and common sense!

Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 04:28:42 AM
This is a rough single cylinder engine formula. If you dont mind,, call it hydrocars forumula,, i worked very very hard for it.

If you used 7 liters to run your engine, then your formula is 7000/4 = 1750 ccs. Meaning get your *  an injector and that engine will run on 1750 cc's.

If you used 4 liters per min then this is your forumula. 4000/4 = 1000, Get you an injector, and you'll run that engine on 1 liter.

if you used 6 liters per min to run it, then 6000/4 = 1500,, get you an injector!

if you used 5.7 liters to run the single cylinder than 5700/4 = 1425 Get you an injector, run this engine on 1425 cc's!!!!!!

THIS MATH DOES NOT WORK WITH ANY ENGINE OTHER THAN A SINGLE CYLINDER ENGINE< DO NOT APPLY THIS MATH ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN A 1 CYLINDER.

YOUR PRODUCTION / 4 IS HOW MUCH YOUR ENGINE IS RUNNING ON. GOOD DAY

ITS NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR MR MEYER, I better see a phenonomon soon!!!!!!!

The good news, we can generate electricity!!!!!

IT WILL STAND!
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 01:43:25 PM
What Maths? Where is the maths that took you days to figure out?

You seem to have picked any random number and divided it by 4! (Wow! 'The Hydrocars divide by 4 Formula' - perhaps you can patent it!).   

Don't know what you've got between your ears, but it certainly doesn't consist of brain cells!

Why have you not stayed at Ionizationx, where you are no doubt loved and reverred?

Why don't you amaze the Ionizationx members with your genius - I'm sure they will all applaud you for figuring out how to divide a simple number by 4!  That must have really taxed your calculator!

Blimey Hydro, at this rate you'll be doing percentages and fractions by 2015.

Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
Math is nice

I thought you were going to show a 1 cyl motor that you had run?
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2009, 02:57:21 PM
The good news, we can generate electricity!!!!!

I think so
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 12, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
Hydro

Maybe I've got you wrong, because on further consideration, I don't think you could be as stupid as you make out even if you practised for a long, long time. In fact I'm not sure anyone could be genuinely as stupid as you make out.

There can only be one explanation for you then: You are spook, and your mission is to disrupt every forum by recruiting an army of illiterate misfits to degenerate the forums and so prevent intelligent minds from getting together and actually making progress.

Educated people will no doubt see you for what you are - it's just a shame that they will not post and you and your kind are free to roam unchallenged.

I guess this forum is no longer worthy and has sunk far below the level to which most intelligent people are prepared to go in order to take part.

How sad it is when mindless stupidity wins out over intelligence and common sense!



You are a June June i bet your one of those FAGS to. Does your dipstick have pooo on it,, june june
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 09:12:06 PM
Spewing

Man don't let this person drag you into its gutter, this is a miserable person at best

Chet
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: TheNOP on March 14, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
@Spewing
25%/75% ratio seem right to have an explosion.

petrol need 1:14.7 ratio witch is 6.80272/100 or 6.8%

here my speculated part:
hho need 2 times the volume of petrol for equivalent energy, in liquid state, same in gas form ?
~14% should be enough.

it can work with less too, starting from 4% +

that alone don't tell how many lpm is require tho.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: TheNOP on March 14, 2009, 02:13:05 AM
if my preevious post speculation is true then:

1000cc, 4 stroks, 1000rpm

1000rpm/4 = 250 X 1000cc = 250000cc total intake per minute
14% of 250000cc = 14 X 250000 / 100 = 35000cc
35000cc = 35 lpm of hh


and with 4%
4% of 250000cc = 4 X 250000 / 100 = 10000cc
10000cc = 10 lpm of  hh

Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 14, 2009, 02:13:13 AM
Quote from: TheNOP on March 14, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
@Spewing
25%/75% ratio seem right to have an explosion.

petrol need 1:14.7 ratio witch is 6.80272/100 or 6.8%

here my speculated part:
hho need 2 times the volume of petrol for equivalent energy, in liquid state, same in gas form ?
~14% should be enough.

it can work with less too, starting from 4% +

that alone don't tell how many lpm is require tho.


My calculations come from ones that already have their engines running today. If they produce this amount of gas then i narrow it right down to the milliseconds. In other words if they produce 10 liters per min, then this means they have exactly 1 cc flowing every 6 Milliseconds, 166 cc's every second, and 10 liters every min, it doesn't get any better than that.. Thats just how flow rate works. "its a time issue here."

If they idle their engine at 800 rpms and they're using 7 liters to do it I know exactly how long the engine is sucking in hydroxy in that second, and i know exactly how much is being consumed, as well as how much was not consumed.

Giving their flow rate, and given their production, It is just not possible for their engine to be consuming what is being produced, When you Block a flow rate it will not remain still, i do not know why so many people have problems understanding that, if your applying 130 cc's a second to your engine and your valve is only open 1/4  th or less the time then you will be loosing 1/4th of your production. Its not guess work, its not rocket science, its just good ol facts.

As far as how much ambient air is mixed with the hydroxy, well i never calculated that because it never concerned me, and it probably never will. The important part is i know what is going on inside the engine and i've tried to teach it. I'm done repeating myself, if one wants to understand then its up to them. I laid the math on the table & I pointed everything out. Every calculation is common since to any mechanic. The data is here if you want to browse threw it.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: TheNOP on March 14, 2009, 02:33:39 AM
hummm..., not as simple as my calculation above.

the equation at 14% might not run at 1k rpm at all.
same for the 4%.

but 4% is the lowest hh input that can run an engine reliably.
lower then that there are risks of blowing mufflers.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: CrazyEwok on March 15, 2009, 10:24:51 PM
I always enjoy the banter between you guys!!! But i am suprised that there is no mention from Dankie about his wire for sale and offering a free set of steak knives if we order before this thread hits 10 pages... Hmmmm  But thats all good. i have a question for you all about your amount of HHO delivery calculations. It says here derived from people who have their engines running already... Does that mean they have leaned it right out to the point where the engine almost stalls from lack of fuel? i only ask because i know people that have "cleaned" whole fuel lines because the car is acting like it is running to lean to discover that it was a simple matter of tuning the car rather than putting in more fuel...
Just a question.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 16, 2009, 03:08:32 AM
Quote from: TheNOP on March 14, 2009, 02:13:05 AM
if my preevious post speculation is true then:

1000cc, 4 stroks, 1000rpm

1000rpm/4 = 250 X 1000cc = 250000cc total intake per minute
14% of 250000cc = 14 X 250000 / 100 = 35000cc
35000cc = 35 lpm of hh


and with 4%
4% of 250000cc = 4 X 250000 / 100 = 10000cc
10000cc = 10 lpm of  hh



I dont really understand your math. If your engine is 1000 cc's then that means your engine can suck that amount in on the intake stroke.

You said 1000 rpm's. Divide that by 60 seconds. you'll get 16.6666666 revs on your crank per second. Since it is a 4 stroke your intake valve only opens every other rev, so divide 16.6 rev's into 2, your intake valve opens 8.3 times in one second.

So, if it can inhale 1k cc's every intake stroke, then you must multiply 1k * 8.3 valve openings in that one second. You've inhaled 8300 cc's of something per second.

Since you want to know the sum for 1 min, then 8300 60sec times is 498000 per min. Not sure where your going with this.

Another way is to find the volume of a cylinder. If your cylinder is 2.5 inches wide and moves downward 4 inches on the stroke, you do this math to find the volume.

Height 4
Find the Radius. 2.5 / 2 = 1.25

Square the radius, 1.25 * 1.25 = 1.5625

Multiply the height times PI. 4 * 3.14 = 12.56

Multiply your Squared sum by your HeightPI sum. 12.56 * 1.5625 = 19.625

Convert your now calculated area, volume into Milliliters, Multiply your sum by 16.387064

19.625 * 16.387064 = 321.5 cc's.  Now Multiply by 4 cylinders, 321.5 * 4 = 1286 cc's.

The Above was to give you a clear example of what is meant when a engine is labeled with 1L, or 1000 cc's.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 16, 2009, 03:29:40 AM
Quote from: Loner on March 16, 2009, 03:08:20 AM
I have another stupid question.

What load?

I assume that you have some experience in engines, due to the nice math you showed and the way you timed out the the thing.  I was HEAVY into carbs for a while, and the true flow rate is going to be mostly concerned with the load on the engine.

Should I assume that you are going for "Full Load", or Idle.  Also, there is going to have to be some way of adjusting this flow during operation, unless the load is constant.  Even a genset, with a continuous lighting load would float the RPM around as exact tuning changed during operation.

Just some questions, as I"m going to bring my Genset back up once the weather is not going below 32 for the summer.  Freezing my HHO cell was a Pain to repair.  (My fault the shed heater was tipped over, but, hey - live and learn.)


You're right.... Lets say you have a steady flow rate of hydroxy running into your engine and you apply a great load, "generating electricity maybe." The problem is when the engine is slowed the flow rate is still there, (not good) This can cause an Before fire, explosion in your intake. One way to solve this would be let the engine suck the hydrogen threw a butterfly valve, when the engine becomes loaded you simply open the valve a bit giving more Hgas. Unlike the previous where you forced it in using flow rate. I can see your point, and i do see what you're saying. But, Usually you'd allow more ambient air to flow threw when you get caught up in this mess giving the gasoline a hotter burn, since this is hydroxy we're dealing with here you'll have to let more hydroxy "get sucked" into the engine when you get in trouble. This brings up many problems id rather not get into. For sure, if you're using flow rate to run your engines then your valves must be clean and seat or you'll get before fires when the loads come. If you're not using flow rate the other method is the vacuum. You put a butterfly valve between your hydroxy line and engine and it gets sucked in rather than being blown in by a flow rate, that's the most dangerous to test.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: TheNOP on March 16, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
my bad.

it is divide by 2, not by 4.
rpm / 2 * cc = intake per minute.
ratio should be 4%~14% of that in hh

and sorry about me posting this here.
i just realised that my speculations are about estimated hh production needs and your tread is about injectors size.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Small Engine Formula
Post by: Spewing on March 16, 2009, 08:51:55 PM
My Geo Metro has 995, or something of that Stamped in the engine Block, You round it off to 1000 and call it a 1 liter engine.

If you want to get technical, fill the head with sand/liquid and collect it in a square bucket or cylinder to be measured, add this to the previous.

PS, Flycut