Hi all,
Just saw a great lecture and demo by Karl Palsness about his replica
of Tesla's stout copper bars circuit. My knowledge of electric circuitry
is somewhat limited, but this is as simple as it gets. The device lets you
get a, literally, hands on understanding of Tesla's radiant energy, or scalar
waves, if you like.
To me it seems like the device is "filtering" the electricity in some way and
leaves us with an interface for understanding the essential energy that is
all around us and has more names than I willing to type right now. This is
a learning tool and not a free energy device, as Karl himself says in his
lecture.
There's also a thread about this circuit over at energeticforum with Karl
and a site with great and detailed pictures of the circuit.
http://www.transformacomm.com/en/tech/tesla-hairpin-circuit.htm
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3467-teslas-stout-copper-bars-hairpin-circuit.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS0BeVeIwM
Hope you'll enjoy,
Adam.
Quote from: spiralout on August 24, 2009, 05:54:42 AM
Hi all,
Just saw a great lecture and demo by Karl Palsness about his replica
of Tesla's stout copper bars circuit. My knowledge of electric circuitry
is somewhat limited, but this is as simple as it gets. The device lets you
get a, literally, hands on understanding of Tesla's radiant energy, or scalar
waves, if you like.
To me it seems like the device is "filtering" the electricity in some way and
leaves us with an interface for understanding the essential energy that is
all around us and has more names than I willing to type right now. This is
a learning tool and not a free energy device, as Karl himself says in his
lecture.
There's also a thread about this circuit over at energeticforum with Karl
and a site with great and detailed pictures of the circuit.
http://www.transformacomm.com/en/tech/tesla-hairpin-circuit.htm
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3467-teslas-stout-copper-bars-hairpin-circuit.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS0BeVeIwM
Hope you'll enjoy,
Adam.
Hi Adam,
Some questions would be:
How much useful power can be drawn from the system’s 2 vertical copper rods?
How would that power compare with the 240 VA input rating of the power supply (transformer)?
Has anyone measured the total useful output?
Thanks for the interesting links/info.
Mike
@Mike,
My pleasure, but I think you're missing a point here. Whatever is flowing
through those copper rods is not electricity and cannot be measured, at
least not with instruments that I am familiar with. If it was electricity,
how could he put his hands on them and live to tell the story?
This device is not about extracting or amplifying energy, it's an opportunity
to gain some knowledge about the most fundamental question of them all,
what the fuck is energy anyway? Before we think of applications it might
serve us well to understand what we're dealing with and the only way to
do that, is to gather the components and build one of these babies.
For me, the most interesting detail about this device is in the 3rd part
of his lecture when he describes how it felt to be holding the rods, and
also quoted Tesla, which said that he used to treat people suffering from
cancer with the device.
Cheers, Adam.
Yup, it's electricity. RF.
Nonetheless, Tesla was a genius.
Cheers,
Tinu
Hi tinu,
Check out part 6 of the lecture at 4:50 min.
Amazing...
1st that Tesla invented a spark type VHF radio transmitter while folks were trying to make LF radio work.
2nd that the folks watching the lecture were amazed.
3rd the speaker seems amazed.
Yes, I watched all of it.
Perhaps someone could offer up a circuit diagram?
Quote from: jadaro2600 on August 24, 2009, 11:01:05 PM
Perhaps someone could offer up a circuit diagram?
heres the diagram, it´s upside down though lol.
|------ NST ------|
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|-----> gap <-------
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= C1 = C2
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|rod1 |rod2
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|-------------------|
shunt
Coincidentally, I watched those vids a few days before this thread started. I´ve seen this behaviour before in HF and VHF loop antennas. The radio name for devices like those using parallel conductors is a "lecher line", its even in wiki. Fascinating things but standard RF behaviour from what Ive seen. Maybe a useful module in a larger FE system though?
Quote from: Yucca on August 24, 2009, 11:10:24 PM
heres the diagram, it´s upside down though lol.
|------ NST ------|
| |
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|-----> gap <-------
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= C1 = C2
| |
| |
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|rod1 |rod2
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|-------------------|
shunt
Coincidentally, I watched those vids a few days before this thread started. I´ve seen this behaviour before in HF and VHF loop antennas. The radio name for devices like those using parallel conductors is a "lecher line", its even in wiki. Fascinating things but standard RF behaviour from what Ive seen. Maybe a useful module in a larger FE system though?
I'm finding myself youtube shy at the moment. What is the NST? stand for.
Quote from: jadaro2600 on August 24, 2009, 11:23:29 PM
I'm finding myself youtube shy at the moment. What is the NST? stand for.
neon sign transformer. 60Hz AC HV supply.
@All
What about the bulb in the water and the difference in power from
top to bottom? Are these normal properties of RF?
Quote from: spiralout on August 25, 2009, 05:39:41 AM
@All
What about the bulb in the water and the difference in power from
top to bottom? Are these normal properties of RF?
Yes, it is.
The distance between no light and full light is 1/4 wavelength of the transmitted radio frequency.
The water is very high resistance at these frequencies.
A spark gap puts out a very wide band signal. The Lecher line acts as a tuned circuit.
Edit>>
The 1/4 wave measurement above is with the lamp connected from the shorting bar to another point on one vertical bar.
You can see a 1/2 wavelength the same way by connecting from one bar to another with the connections at the same vertical level.
Does anyone have information about that small part he puts on the table and it only spins in one direction?
Loner,
Thanks for your post, I know there's something unique to this circuit,
I just didn't have the technical terms to express it.
I found another replication of it, what this guy says sound like Chinese to
me, but maybe some of you guys can find it useful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_18E6lo3gN4
Adios.
A Surfer can walk from the top of a wave into the trough. The water through which the wave travels can not.
@Spiralout,
The link is to a great experiment and work but no indication it is a hairpin circuit. If the two rods are not one piece and bent into a hairpin shape the device is a replication of Lecher lines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecher_lines
@Loner
I watched Karl's video again and still see no signs of anything that isn't produced by transverse waves.
The video link provided by @Spiralout even makes statements something like 'and this cannot happen with EM'. Sorry to say but in almost every case exactly the opposite is true. It is confirmation that transverse waves are at play. The only exception is near the end with the column of water being drawn with the wire. This related more to things not discussed in the video.
One of the big problems here is folks can't see the difference between RE and RF(radio frequency energy).
An example of radiant energy is the light or heat radiating from a light bulb (longitudinal or LEM). Radio frequency energy can be LEM or TEM (Transverse electro-magnetic like the ripples on a pond).
--- Not an FYI, Loner. Rather an FEEI (for everybody else's information) I know you know the difference
If the waves being sent up the Lecher lines were LEM the light being used for a shorting bar would not be brightest while the shorting bar is horizontal.
Folks get me wrong. I know LEM is possible and has the properties declared. I know Tesla was probably the greatest experimenter and inventor that ever lived. I also know Lecher invented this method and Tesla's hairpin circuit was a hairpin shape and included other things not shown by either of these videos.
Make no mistake. Both of these videos demonstrate the beginning of spark gap radio transmitter technology, hard and talented work but not much more.
Quote from: jadaro2600 on August 24, 2009, 11:23:29 PM
I'm finding myself youtube A at the moment. What is the NST? stand for.
Neon Sign Transformer
I keep hearing spark gap transmitters but what exactly are they capapble of?
Hairpin seems to include more then letcher concepts!!
Carls vids show energy...how much??? but lighting different filiments/watteges?? that is something i have not seen rf do! but im not a radio guy....show me a radio wave powering something sig.,..not a signal!
There is a reason Tesla brought this expieriment with him on all his public displays!
lechter line or not Tesla did experiment with the identical set up. The lemws are set up in the mass of the conductor. Or the skin of the copper vertical rods. These waves are nothing more than sound waves traveling through a charged mass media. I believe that if the rods were bundles of smaller diameter wire or better yet laminated copper ribbons the effects would be greatly enhanced. Anyway nodes and antinodes are setup where there are more electrons clumped together than at different spots in the copper mass. This creates electrical poles. The discharge of the electrical poles through the various loads is a simple discharge of a capacitor. Tesla also demonstrated this concept in this system of electrical distribution where he connects translatory devices between two conductors through which lems are setup.
The two conductors are resonant cavities for the sound waves. They need not be connected at the top but can be. They can be thousands of miles apart or right next to each other. The polarization fo the resonant cavities will still occur geometrically along the rods. The capacitor plates at the bottom are being used as transducers. This pings the rods. Just like the ping for submarine detection. It is an acoustical shock wave through the copper mass. The electrostatic field between two capacitor plates creates an honest to goodness movement of the capacitor plates depenidng on the state of charge. Tesla exploited the columb force over and over again with mechanical oscillators coupled to electrical magnetic oscillator circuits. This is how a Tesla secondary is coupled to a primary. His primaries are speakers.
Quote from: sparks on January 18, 2010, 10:11:53 PM
lechter line or not Tesla did experiment with the identical set up. The lemws are set up in the mass of the conductor. Or the skin of the copper vertical rods. These waves are nothing more than A waves traveling through a charged mass media. I believe that if the rods were bundles of smaller diameter wire or better yet laminated copper ribbons the effects would be greatly enhanced. Anyway nodes and antinodes are setup where there are more electrons clumped together than at different spots in the copper mass. This creates electrical poles. The discharge of the electrical poles through the various loads is a simple discharge of a capacitor. Tesla also demonstrated this concept in this system of electrical distribution where he connects translatory devices between two conductors through which lems are setup.
The two conductors are resonant cavities for the sound waves. They need not be connected at the top but can be. They can be thousands of miles apart or right next to each other. The polarization fo the resonant cavities will still occur geometrically along the rods. The capacitor plates at the bottom are being used as transducers. This pings the rods. Just like the ping for submarine detection. It is an acoustical shock wave through the copper mass. The electrostatic field between two capacitor plates creates an honest to goodness movement of the capacitor plates depenidng on the state of charge. Tesla exploited the columb force over and over again with mechanical oscillators coupled to electrical magnetic oscillator circuits. This is how a Tesla secondary is coupled to a primary. His primaries are speakers.
Sparks I think you may be one of the most knowledgable people around! I can barely keep up .
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with BEP or sparks. It is not RF according to BEP and definitely not sound wave according to Sparks. Sparks also mentions that it is a simple discharge of a capacitor. How then would you explain that when a shorting bar is placed on the top of the two brass rods, the effect is enhanced. I really think there is more to it. I plan on building one myself to play with.
Quote From Karl Palsness
The first clue to this experiment shown is that the spark gap, the spark changes when conversion is taking place. What does this tell you? It's spark looks different and sounds different. The conventional spark such as in the ignition circuit of a furnace is feeble , it can be blown out easy and is very quiet. But it you properly transform the energy...the spark now consists of many streamers and is very loud and not easily interrupted. It also looks different in color and texture.
Another major clue you can touch the bar with the Hairpin with caps on each side of the hairpin! On the Hairpin with the caps on only one side you should not touch it as the bar is not isolated from the high voltage and it will bite you. Your body is to high in resistance to allow anything through. Again what does this tell you? You can learn a lot from building this design, don't say you know anything unless you have replicated and see and ask yourself the questions.
The energy travels on the outside of the wire...just like a gas!!! If this was skin effect you would not be able to put the bare wires into water and light a bulb...the salt water would short out the skin effect. So again...we can not meter this energy and there is no solution for current flow at any simultaneous point in time. Tesla strove to for transformed resonance. The smaller the resistance or the impedance of the conducting path and the more perfect the dielectric the better this process became.
High voltage energy not converted burns your hands when you touch the wire...just try and touch an ham radio antenna even at low power. I am a armature radio operator and can tell you it hurts...real bad!!
You can do many different effects once the transformation has taken place, light light bulbs, run motors, but only if no energy is allowed to return and kill the initial input you put in. There must be a floating ground to catch this energy. The energy is all around us in a compressed form, we live in the middle of two giant plates of a capacitor, wiggle it correctly, then catch it!
If it was just high frequency voltage why did Tesla spend so much time learning how to transform this energy. I'll tell you why, he was a great studier on what happened just before the current got through to the other end of the wire. If we could see this energy we would have had it a long time ago. But are meters don't show this!!! So instead we make high frequency generators....constantly killing the dipole.
To me, Tesla made the Hairpin and demonstrated it in his lectures to show the transformed energy and what this energy can and cannot do. It is simply is a learning tool and shows us how to work with it. Energy is everywhere once the condition of this form of resonance.
What people have to figure out on this hairpin, is the quality of the dielectric capacitors. When I use smaller different high voltage caps the device does not convert all the energy...use to different bigger caps and the caps can not play a role and no transformation takes place. The ability to find the correct balance of quality dielectric material and small impedance/resistance and of Impulse freq. is absolutely crucial in this process.
There are many ways to deal with this form of conversion once you understand the rules and what to look for. The key is Disruptive Discharges of Differentials of Potential. Whether we are talking about Radiant, bidirectional longitudinal waves, Scalar or any other name we want to put onto it...we are using a coupling of vectors where it does not makes since for electrons to move! Once you see this, you will understand that Joules Law is not involved and how this is Nature's open path for getting energy. There are potentials everywhere, but the true energy is what comes before the dipole is created.
Eek!?
"The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane."
Nikola Tesla
Quote from: forest on January 22, 2010, 01:09:39 PM
"The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane."
Nikola Tesla
ya you're right, you're always right. ;D
I will say shortly because it's become tiring
Tesla found RF and was first enthusiastic about it especially with light phenomena and new phosphorescent bulbs. Then in 1895 everything changed. I would like to know if he knew about Edison etheric force articles ,that would be interesting. However from 1895 it was NO RF produced in Tesla devices, never ever.Keep it and think about it.
"High voltage energy not converted burns your hands when you touch the wire...just try and touch an ham radio antenna even at low power. I am a armature radio operator and can tell you it hurts...real bad!!"
I have.....many times....it depends upon where it is touched, the frequency, the type of antenna, etc. If Karl was really a HAM he would know this. If he is, he must have a ticket from a country that doesn't report licensing. He isn't recorded in the U.S. or Canadian databases.
Since Tesla was declared the true father of radio I think there is a pretty good chance some of his later devices emitted RF. Declaring that nothing he built after a certain date produced RF is a pretty bold statement. Time travel with a spectrum analyzer would confirm this.
Stop the arguing and believe no one. Either run the experiments or don't pollute the thoughts and beliefs of others. I'm not interested in repeating my experiments for the benefit of others. They wouldn't believe the results anyway. When religious fervor is at this level the 'armature radio operators' won't believe their own results -or- they simply won't understand them.
This dog is done barking up this tree. Nothing worth catching here.
Bep you know radios and standing wave ratios and the heating effects or power losses due to internodal currents flowing inside the coax when you dont have a match. If you give an alternate discharge path for the internodal currents your heating effect does useful work. You know what happens to finals when the swr gets to high. You know why they had to go to cyclotrons when they tried to pump microwaves.
Quote from: sparks on January 23, 2010, 10:43:55 AM
Bep you know radios and standing wave ratios and the heating effects or power losses due to internodal currents flowing inside the coax when you dont have a match. If you give an alternate discharge path for the internodal currents your heating effect does useful work. You know what happens to finals when the swr gets to high. You know why they had to go to cyclotrons when they tried to pump microwaves.
Yes, I do. All of that. Except the cyclotron part. They aren't required to 'pump' microwaves. Microwave cavities of almost all forms, in addition to waveguides, can result in longitudinal EM action.
The conversion that happens is to heat, primarily.
I'm not saying Tesla was wrong, by any means. I'm saying he had a more in-depth understanding of all these things and a different base of knowledge. Since we don't have the same points of reference his works are like translating a different language.
What pains me is people attempting replications of his experiments and declaring something that is easily explained with basic wave propagation principles as something it isn't. More painful is folks repeating the work and not even understanding what they see. The most painful, is when folks don't do the work, obviously have no understanding of basics and think they have the right to make declarations.
Enough of my yapping. I'll excuse myself from this thread. I shouldn't have even entered this comment.
well, I have been thinking about the Hairpin now for some time. I see the analogy to a laser. You create a standing wave in the resonator and out comes a different form of energy. I have seen other demonstrations where they lit a 120 V/100W halogen bulb on a hair thin wire across the room with the hairpin. Is this just RF? for the filament to glow this bright you need AMPS.
The hairpin is different from the lecher line. This is usually demonstrated by using semiconductors or a small solid state transmitter as the input. Tesla used the stuff available to him at the time- spark gaps and " brute force". A spark gap is a broad band emitter. the fact that the spark intensifies shows that the energy is reflected in the hairpin circuit and back thru the spark gap. Let me make the connection to Hector torrez (the rotoverter guy) who says that Radiant is RF - created in a resonator with a standing wave where voltage and current are out of phase. this is the effect happening in the hairpin- you get voltage and current nodes - so far nothing exotic- but what is the nature of the energy in these nodes? can there be voltage without current or just current without voltage? what will happen when one applies this energy to a water cell for instance?
I think the hairpin is probably the easiest way to create larger amounts of RE. Correct me if I'm wrong- I'm just a layman, but I'd like to know more about this.
BTW: I work in a theater where we use Thyristor dimmers. Years ago we had problems when we connected only a small load to the dimmer the thyristor would burn out. could this because the leads make up a transmission line, the energy gets reflected back into the circuit instead of being used at the end of the line. You have caps and a choke coil as parts of the dimmer, and the way the dimmer works is to turn off the power at a certain point and then turn it on again. This makes for sharp edges of the waveform and a lot of harmonics....so all the ingredients are there...why should a 2 kilowatt thyristor with TWO fuses in both lines burn out when the load is not strong enough??
Quote from: albert on January 23, 2010, 12:57:54 PM
well, I have been thinking about the Hairpin now for some time. I see the analogy to a laser. You create a standing wave in the resonator and out comes a different form of energy. I have seen other demonstrations where they lit a 120 V/100W halogen bulb on a hair thin wire across the room with the hairpin. Is this just RF? for the filament to glow this bright you need AMPS.
The hairpin is different from the lecher line. This is usually demonstrated by using semiconductors or a small solid state transmitter as the input. Tesla used the stuff available to him at the time- spark gaps and " brute force". A spark gap is a broad band emitter. the fact that the spark intensifies shows that the energy is reflected in the hairpin circuit and back thru the spark gap. Let me make the connection to Hector torrez (the rotoverter guy) who says that Radiant is RF - created in a resonator with a standing wave where voltage and current are out of phase. this is the effect happening in the hairpin- you get voltage and current nodes - so far nothing exotic- but what is the nature of the energy in these nodes? can there be voltage without current or just current without voltage? what will happen when one applies this energy to a water cell for instance?
I think the hairpin is probably the easiest way to create larger amounts of RE. Correct me if I'm wrong- I'm just a layman, but I'd like to know more about this.
BTW: I work in a theater where we use Thyristor dimmers. Years ago we had problems when we connected only a small load to the dimmer the thyristor would burn out. could this because the leads make up a transmission line, the energy gets reflected back into the circuit instead of being used at the end of the line. You have caps and a choke coil as parts of the dimmer, and the way the dimmer works is to turn off the power at a certain point and then turn it on again. This makes for sharp edges of the waveform and a lot of harmonics....so all the ingredients are there...why should a 2 kilowatt thyristor with TWO fuses in both lines burn out when the load is not strong enough??
Two questions:
1. Were those problems persistent with that small load of random ?
2. How did you eliminate those problems ?
Voltage is not the same thing as charge seperation. Charge seperation induces currents which when resisted gives rise to voltage. An electrical current moves through space between poles. It is relavent to other such currents flowing through space. This is cold current. It is the current that is flowing between nodes and antinodes of a standing wave.
It is the current that is flowing in a concentrated or focused stream when you touch a door knob. It was flowing when you were across the room from the doornob also. You didnt feel it because it was flowing out of you in all directions towards other charge poles. When you moved towards that door knob the flow became focused or concentrated between that one scource of radiant energy. If you look at yourself with the proper lenses we have an aura about us. This shows the radiant energy flowing about our mass which forms a resistance to this radiant energy and a coronal discharge from every bit of mass that resists this current. Hot current is when we move charged mass cold current is always there for the taking.
Sparks
Listening to you a long time.
I used to think,
Transmit> receive> Use
Starting to think it will be.
Receive> Use
Chet
PS
Actually think this is how its supposed to be.
PPS
On a side note
How come the OOONNLY place I can go and see a one hundred year old device that is still considered "state of the art"
Is The Niagara power plant??
My freakin cell phone is obsolete before I dial it!!
Let me reply to the questions about our dimmer problems.
the effect came up repeatedly. We solved the problem by attaching 60 W lights in parallel to the channels we use for practical lighting on the stage. Those might be used with small loads. With the other channels we had no problems.
Back to the Hairpin circuit: No one has been able to explain to me so far what is happening in the current or voltage node of the hairpin circuit. We know the current and voltage are out of phase. How this can make a quartz light burn brightly without any amps going thru the wires is still a mystery to me. Sorry your answer has put up more questions for me.
Quote from: albert on January 27, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
Let me reply to the questions about our dimmer problems.
the effect came up repeatedly. We solved the problem by attaching 60 W lights in parallel to the channels we use for practical lighting on the stage. Those might be used with small loads. With the other channels we had no problems.
Back to the Hairpin circuit: No one has been able to explain to me so far what is happening in the current or voltage node of the hairpin circuit. We know the current and voltage are out of phase. How this can make a quartz light burn brightly without any amps going thru the wires is still a mystery to me. Sorry your answer has put up more questions for me.
My thought is that your thyristor circuit was working on resonant condition and that was the resonance exactly which Tesla found. Power was accumulated on each step so it goes beyond thyristor capabilities and burned them. Bulbs probably changed resistance of circuit and resonant frequency changed.
It's a "blind man guess" however ;-)
Anyway ,EVERY anomaly is VERY important to analyse ! That is the source of knowledge.If you can find a circuit of that dimmer I'm sure we all would learn something.
Unfortunately I don't have a circuit design of the dimmers in question, we would like to get that ourselves, the system we use was handbuilt in the Seventies....but I had the same effect on more recent dimmers, too. I don't know if it's an energetic anomaly or simply an effect in the semiconductor when there is not enough current in the TRIAC to make it "hold" in the open position. when the next pulse comes, it goes BOOM....might be that.
But we had another interesting effect - the cutting of the phase in the dimmers drove some transformers into saturation. when a dimmer is not certified for inductive load, you get resonant effects between the dimmer and the metal core of the transformer. The transformer would start a deep 50 hertz hum and then burn out. ferro-resonance? possibly. These normally avoided limit conditions are the effects we should look for.
Tesla referred to the fast discharge of a capacitor as creating pressure. Not voltage or current or anything like that just pressure. And those wires hanging overhead are referred to by the old timers as high tension wires. Tension and pressure. Does a conductor actually change its physical form between different states of charge? Something makes that annoying buzz. I can hear one right now from the transformer for this hear computer.
Hi all,
I have not read this entire thread so forgive me. The bottom line to me when it comes to OU, Radiant Energy, Zero Point and so forth is:
...the efficiency of something like the Hairpin Circuit as used in, for example, lighting.
It is impressive to be able to hold onto the 'hairpin rods', submerge an incandescent lamp in water, light a 120 VAC Halogen lamp 30 ft away via some #38 wire, etc. But:
What is the cost to do that? OR For the same 'lumens' or similar rating, (let's include white leds also), what's the wattage 'in' versus the equivalent work 'out'? What's the power usage of one of those HV generators use for the spark gap? Can you use as little energy with a hairpin circuit as you can powering an LED array conventionally - for the same light?
If it is less power required - then it is less power required. Enough said.
It is not important to be able to close the loop because you are comparing apples 'in' to oranges 'out' of the system (assuming apples and oranges have the same calories - energy content) If you are putting in 10 apples but getting 20 oranges out, then that's fine. And it's also 'fine' if 10 of those oranges come from local sources and the rest of the 20 oranges come from ZP, Aether, the "seething" vacuum, whatever.
What is the efficiency? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?
Greg
Hello,
I have replicated most effects of hairping circuit using my Kacher or solid state Tesla coil that creates smooth resonance. i have reported my findings in energeticforum.com.
Especially the bulb-lighting under the water is not radiant at all. It is a standard effect of the high frequency electricity (500Khz here). http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4960-donald-l-smith-11.html#post85090 (photo of an halogene bulb in water and my hand in it.)
i think these bizzare demos are easily characterized "radiant" from those who do not know.
Actually i have asked Paulsness about the coil he suggested in 2009 presentation that created free energy.
Not reply yet :)
Here are original Tesla's circuits for making scalar wave or longitudinal voltage. Depending how high voltage and how high frequency you will get longitudinal voltage on T - T measured in volts per meter (V/m)
On the diagram we have a generator powering what appears to be the primary of a transformer. Do we have any idea as to what the heck is going on with the generator and primary of the transformer. Does the generator put out dc ac what frequency what impedance does the primary of the transformer present to the current produced by the generator. How much current are we looking at through what appears to be a pretty hefty primary. Are there any power reflection issues whereby the generator is taking up energy as well as giving it out. This would appear to be the apples in part of the circuit. What does happen when a highfrequency output encounters an infinite impedance to its progression through a circuit. Somehow the voltage that was at the generator terminals appears at the choke terminals without any current flowing that I am aware of.
Quote from: sparks on March 16, 2010, 09:28:24 PM
On the diagram we have a generator powering what appears to be the primary of a transformer. Do we have any idea as to what the heck is going on with the generator and primary of the transformer. Does the generator put out dc ac what frequency what impedance does the primary of the transformer present to the current produced by the generator. How much current are we looking at through what appears to be a pretty hefty primary. Are there any power reflection issues whereby the generator is taking up energy as well as giving it out. This would appear to be the apples in part of the circuit. What does happen when a highfrequency output encounters an infinite impedance to its progression through a circuit. Somehow the voltage that was at the generator terminals appears at the choke terminals without any current flowing that I am aware of.
Your kidding right ?
On Fig 4 tell me where the primary and where the secondary is at on the first transformer.
Take care.
nap
How come you can not see connection between this Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit and Edwin Gray's COLD ELECTRICITY and Tesla's scalar wave or longitudnal voltage?? It's same thing, it will not kill you, but it may cure you ;)
George Lakhovski figured it out.
Quote from: slapper on March 17, 2010, 12:53:26 AM
On Fig 4 tell me where the primary and where the secondary is at on the first transformer.
Take care.
nap
I think the primary is the heavy wire in bold lines with 8 symbolic turns and it connects to the generator. The secondary is the multiturn symbol in the thinner line symbol going to the caps.
Is this what you asked?
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: delboy on March 17, 2010, 08:24:56 AM
How come you can not see connection between this Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit and Edwin Gray's COLD ELECTRICITY and Tesla's scalar wave or longitudnal voltage?? It's same thing, it will not kill you, but it may cure you ;)
radiant energy, cold electricity, negative electricity, flowing ether... too much used terminology among those that usually have not a basic understanding of how simple circuits work.
I am not saying that Delboy have not any understanding, i am saying we should refrain from those "catchy" terms especially if we cannot substantiate our claims.
And i am asking, what is the major different between all afore-mentioned weird electricity types and standard high-frequency electricity that the Tesla hairpin produces? please do tell me seriously based on facts
radiant just radiate around , scalar field, one direction ,causes electric current or charge to appear in metals
it is either : beta radiation or positron radiation or magnetic shockwave made by reconnection
Quote from: baroutologos on March 17, 2010, 01:31:02 PM
I am not saying that Delboy have not any understanding, i am saying we should refrain from those "catchy" terms especially if we cannot substantiate our claims.
And i am asking, what is the major different between all afore-mentioned weird electricity types and standard high-frequency electricity that the Tesla hairpin produces? please do tell me seriously based on facts
Look at figure 3 (Fig.3). Major difference between standard electricity (low voltage/low frequency) and high frequency/high voltage electricity is that on T-T' you will have some valuable longitudinal voltage. I prefer this term LONGITUDINAL VOLTAGE. For example , if secondar voltage is 90kV / 50kHz you will have approx 60V/m. So receiver connected to C-C' for example length of 1m will have 60V / 50kHz voltage, but longitudinal voltage! Electrons are forced to short circuit C-C' and what a hell is flowing through receiver? What ever is flowing it is powering receiver. You have that IMPEDANCE PHENOMENA as Tesla demonstrated bulb light even when short circuited!
That part of wire C-C' have so small resistance, inducitivity, capacity that it makes ideal source for receiver because receiver see only that part of wire and nothing else!
What to do with 60V 50kHz , it's not standard voltage/frequency? Well use Tesla receiver pat. 685955 ;)
The Hairpin Phenomea, is an goodknow Understanding from each older HAM ( Radio Amateur.
That Patennumbers that you shorn here, have nothing to do with
them.
this 685955 (issued 1901 is replaced with 787412 issued 1905
and shown only an mechanical device that produced from an higher
voltages Condenser (DC) charge an AC (via figure 2) in frequency range some low Hz to maximum in the under-Kilohertz-range (cps)
An Transforming from this Apparatus over figure 1 (showed) Pancake (or pyramid-cylindrical-pancake - often used by Tesla)
wil also not preferre or resonate to any higher
frequencies, possibly - even not- any harmonics of ground frequeny.
THIS ITEM is not RECEIVER it is an Transmitter
http://tesla.hu/tesla/patents/p-685955.093/p_093_01.gif
http://www.google.com/patents?q=+685955&btnG=Search+Patents
Gustav Pese
I think Del is right. It is receiver - amplivfier. But the longitudinal voltage is just the difference between between the two points on the stationary vaves.
Quote from: pese on March 18, 2010, 05:31:51 AM
That Patennumbers that you shorn here, have nothing to do with
them.
I agree with you, it is receiver, but I only mentioned that because if you don't want to hold that T-T' with your hands, than you can use Tesla receiver to power something with that longitudinal voltage, or you can use one-wire bulbs, or two wire high vacum bulbs because they don't need convertor of high-to-low frequency as for example standard motor needs because it is consisted of laminated magnetic core and high frequency would mean only high losses!
One more thing that you don't see here is that Tesla solved problem of "filtering" to get pure DC. If you have source voltage of high frequency than you don't need large CAP for filtering of rectified voltage (10 000uF)! Problem is on another side - to have fast recovery diode bridge! If you have fast recovery diode bridge than even 100uF will be enough ;)
Possibly you can use the antenna system from fi1 as receiver antenna.
but firg 2 is R (high voltage DC source)
the lower mechanic part is an PWM !!
in Mid an condensor that charce DC
the upper mechanik
ist is pol-changer, that witsch the 2 output-leads . withe polority so that you habe AC.
when you give now attention to following link , you can read upper the
drwawing - TRANSMITTER -
that you must also understand if you read only the diagram/schematics without any written text.
Gustav Pese
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=oSo_AAAAEBAJ&dq=685955
Pls. show the Patent number on the end of this link ( you will receive the newer number from 1905 beginning with 7... its same Patent.
Sigh.
Please. Rather than talking out of your arse and making it what it is not by adding your own wild guesses and theories, find out from the "horses mouth" directly:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1898-11-17.htm
It's disgraceful to Tesla's work any other way.