On Frequencies and Fireballs
Low power frequencies combine to create a single pulse with an amplitude great enough to saturate the system and for a nanosecond disrupt the high voltage dc bias.
The advantage of using the frequencies in this way is to achieve a much more rapid ON>OFF>ON switching than could be accomplished with conventional circuits.
This rapid transition from ON>OFF>ON creates the radiant event that is collected
The amount of current that is mobilized in the collector is directly related to the speed of this event.
Any noise in the frequencies diminishes the amplitude of the required pulse and greatly reduces the mobilized current in the collector.
Using slightly shifted frequencies will regulate the amplitude of the pulse and as a result keep the mobilized amps within a usable range.
Using exact frequencies will result in pulse of maximum amplitude and thus mobilizing a maximum current.
This current could easily be many magnitudes of the current rating of the collector resulting in spontaneous resistance heating and catastrophic vaporizing destruction of the collector.
Would these frequencies would be very,very close to each other and pure?
bifilar coil experiment:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7377.msg188871#msg188871
Quote from: Mannix on September 26, 2009, 04:54:20 AM
Would these frequencies would be very,very close to each other and pure?
They would be pure if you were looking for a lot of power
Any noise would change the combination of the frequencies and thus reduce the amplitude of the special pulse
Close..... well they would be low power and when they and their factors combined would make a single sharp pulse of great amplitude and almost instantaneous rise and fall time. There should be a way to do it by combining two frequencies but three might be easier.
Do not confuse the light switch with the power company
The special pulse IS NOT THE SOURCE OF POWER
The special pulse is the light switch that for a nanosecond DISRUPTS the HV DC BIAS resulting in an event
Think of it this way...
The HV DC Bias is steam moving through a pipe
The special pulse is the valve at the end of a long run of steam pipe
Close the valve slowly and the trapped steam will slowly oscillate in the pipe until it comes to a complete stop.
OR
Close the valve at a super fast rate and the progressing wave front ( shock wave ) in the pipe will rupture that pipe near the valve throwing super velocity steam 90deg to the steam pipe
This super velocity steam in the analogy is your energy source leaving your wire.
It is what you collect by aiming it at MANY small diameter wires.
I say many small diameter wires because of a skin depth and density issue it cares more about the surface area than internal path of the wire.
This energy mobilizes current
Give it a lot of density changes to slow it down enough to be fully collected.
There is also the issue of reinforcing the event. If your DC Bias is low (because your battery and caps need to be small) then your event output will be low therefore you may need to reinforce the event by directly stacking the results of a number of events before sending this energy to the load.
PULSE > wait for the pulse to come around the diameter of the collector >PULSE > wait for the pulse to come around the diameter of the collector etc...
This cycle will be directly related to the diameter of your collector. <<<<<
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How does this energy mobilize current?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 26, 2009, 05:45:38 PM
How does this energy mobilize current?
Quote from: darkspeedAn electron at rest at quantum level looks like two wave forms inverse and superimposed - ball form
As an electron get closer to the speed of light this wave from will reduce in amplitude, increase in length - flattens out into a string
Take the end of a wire, at high dc bias, and slam another wavefront down it. The electrons at the end get ejected at a critical level near or at the speed of light ( some think faster ). These electron strings are of a shape and velocity as to not only pass through metals (until they are slowed down by eddys) but also to create a delta shaped disturbance in the metal much like breaking the sound barrier displacing MANY electrons in its wake. I give it a high chance of being correct
When the ejected energy hits its target it plows through displacing a lot of energy.
Think one side voltage rising without appreciable current and the receiving end current rising without appreciable voltage but then suddenly ohms law takes place lol... and due to resistance the score is settled
What is the ejected energy composed of?
Is it diverted by electric potentials?
Does it follow magnetic lines?
If the carriers of this energy, be they photons or particles, have a magnetic moment, is their magnetic field inducing the current in conductors that they interact with?
What is the easiest, brute force way to get from point A to point B so that you get C?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 26, 2009, 08:08:00 PM
What is the ejected energy composed of?
Is it diverted by electric potentials?
Does it follow magnetic lines?
If the carriers of this energy, be they photons or particles, have a magnetic moment, is their magnetic field inducing the current in conductors that they interact with?
What is the easiest, brute force way to get from point A to point B so that you get C?
I honestly do not know, its moving too fast to ask it..
It would have to be some form of electron or condensed em.
I am very surprised there is no harmful radiation produced when it is intercepted.
I get localized ionization but no x or gamma.. so far..
From what i have seen so far is it will couple to potentials in its direct path but it is moving too fast to divert or bend.
It could be a magnetic field being pushed ahead of it or it could be actual Collision.
If it was pushing a field like a bullet pushes air the wake could be disruptive enough to pull a lot of electrons out of orbit in the target.
Once these electrons were liberated they then would flow with potential.
Once it is readily repeatable then it is testable.
I would say
stage one - replicate the event into a collector..
Stage two - perfect the magamp function
stage three - devise a dynamic modulation relative to load
stage four - loop it
This ties in nicely with David SLigar's doc. This is a nice transition from standard electron theory to high speed physics using magnetic fields.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3075/mfield.html
He talks about the primary object of the electron / photon exhibiting different properties at different speeds wheres as @darkspeed is mentioning the effects of interference including trajectories of objects at different speeds impacting. The blast hole in the metal sheet to the sound barrier exhibit was a pivotal cross over. This is also a good explanation of the effects of Keely's process'.
QuoteBecause higher frequencies have more energy (E=hf), they deliver more mass (E=mc2). Einstein understood that light quanta (photons) are a mass transfer mechanism. The flux quanta (flowing particles) or photon exchange frequency is thus mass in motion and is the force of a magnetic field. The frequency and number of photons exchanged must be extremely high to exert physical attraction or repulsion.
The implication is that the frequency creates a force that is a physical mass connection, hf=mc2. Different magnet compounds should have different frequencies since photons are emitted/absorbed by electrons. If an electron is throwing out a stream of photons while orbiting/spinning, you can visualize a corkscrew or helix stream of photons!
A photons wavelength is measured as a distance along a line through the center of the helix in one revolution around the helical trajectory. A flat projection side view of a helix looks like a sine wave.
Low frequency photons (such as radio waves) are often described in terms of wavelength (units in meters), while high frequency photons (such as gamma particles) are often described in terms of particle mass energy (units in electron volts). As you increase the energy by increasing the frequency, you wind up with photons of more measurable mass. At the high frequency end of the electromagnetic spectrum are high energy photons known as gamma rays, which are streams of gamma particles. Beta particles are free electrons or positrons. Alpha particles are the nucleus of helium atoms.
In every day life, you can understand that energy is proportional to frequency if you understand a concrete hammer drill will deliver more energy to the drill hole if it hammers at a frequency of 10 strokes per second instead of 1 stroke per second.
In a prior conversation with Ironhead and JDO300, IH mentioned the O-scope sine wave being a flat representation of a helical structure.
Quotestage one - replicate the event into a collector.. Did this many times over. 8)
Stage two - perfect the magamp function Investigating this at the moment. ;)
stage three - devise a dynamic modulation relative to load In the mind que. ???
stage four - loop it Like the snake biting it's tail. :o
Quote from: darkspeed on September 27, 2009, 03:21:18 AM
I honestly do not know, its moving too fast to ask it..
It would have to be some form of electron or condensed em.
I am very surprised there is no harmful radiation produced when it is intercepted.
I get localized ionization but no x or gamma.. so far..
From what i have seen so far is it will couple to potentials in its direct path but it is moving too fast to divert or bend.
It could be a magnetic field being pushed ahead of it or it could be actual Collision.
If it was pushing a field like a bullet pushes air the wake could be disruptive enough to pull a lot of electrons out of orbit in the target.
Once these electrons were liberated they then would flow with potential.
Once it is readily repeatable then it is testable.
I would say
stage one - replicate the event into a collector..
Stage two - perfect the magamp function
stage three - devise a dynamic modulation relative to load
stage four - loop it
In the paper I posted a link to that discussed how electrons begin to drift in a conductor, a traveling wave of dispacement current initially travels along the outside of the wire and pulls electrons with it at it's velocity (C - give or take)
Repeated reflections of this displacement current cause more and more electrons to drift as the energy diffuses into the conductor.
The link is:
http://www.google.com/url?url=http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:9792/saha-edwards-aup.pdf&rct=j&sa=U&ei=vXi_SvL_JNLr_AaK74WCBQ&ct=res&cd=1&sig2=9ivonCUCUzWCr0BQKFcNew&q=electrons+current+diffuses+displacement+conductor+edwards&usg=AFQjCNECf3P_pak1lkQY7cvzDF3KwKKJDw
Sticking with the initial impulse, we have a traveling wave hauling ass along the wire and pulling electrons like a venturi effect - perhaps causing Chef's puncture from an arc through aluminum.
So what change does the "system" undergo during the rise of the initial pulse? Immediately on closing of the circuit, there is a very sudden change in the polarization of the space around the conductor - a polarization current - radial around the conductor. When this occurs and it's rate of propagation / change (velocity?) exceedes the speed of light in the system, which can be much lower than C, then the shockwave similar to braking radiation occurs.
This is not a particulate energy. I would guess that it is photon-based, but only for lack of a better explanation.
Does the fall of the pulse "reset" the system? I suspect that it does and a slow fall slows the reset, and falling below the baseline, should reverse the effect.
Have you found that the repetition rate is related to the impedance of the item being excited?
Have you ever tried exciting Litz or simlar multiconductor? It is a guess that it is detrimental, and I have never heard of anyone trying this.
You mentioned MOSFET's before (840's), are you using one to start the pulse and another to stop it?
Have you tried them in avalanche mode?
How high of a voltage / current are you using?
The cross-talk between the MOSFE's may be some sort of standing wave effect (it looked like a clean sine wave) between the switches. One side of the switch looks like a brick wall, so it reflects between them.
How long did this reflection occur before it smoked the MOSFET's or dissipated? This is very significant even if no one else sees it as such.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 27, 2009, 10:58:13 AM
In the paper I posted a link to that discussed how electrons begin to drift in a conductor, a traveling wave of dispacement current initially travels along the outside of the wire and pulls electrons with it at it's velocity (C - give or take)
Repeated reflections of this displacement current cause more and more electrons to drift as the energy diffuses into the conductor.
The link is:
http://www.google.com/url?url=http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:9792/saha-edwards-aup.pdf&rct=j&sa=U&ei=vXi_SvL_JNLr_AaK74WCBQ&ct=res&cd=1&sig2=9ivonCUCUzWCr0BQKFcNew&q=electrons+current+diffuses+displacement+conductor+edwards&usg=AFQjCNECf3P_pak1lkQY7cvzDF3KwKKJDw
Sticking with the initial impulse, we have a traveling wave hauling ass along the wire and pulling electrons like a venturi effect - perhaps causing Chef's puncture from an arc through aluminum.
So what change does the "system" undergo during the rise of the initial pulse? Immediately on closing of the circuit, there is a very sudden change in the polarization of the space around the conductor - a polarization current - radial around the conductor. When this occurs and it's rate of propagation / change (velocity?) exceedes the speed of light in the system, which can be much lower than C, then the shockwave similar to braking radiation occurs.
This is not a particulate energy. I would guess that it is photon-based, but only for lack of a better explanation.
Does the fall of the pulse "reset" the system? I suspect that it does and a slow fall slows the reset, and falling below the baseline, should reverse the effect.
I understand this first part.
I split these into two by basis...
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Have you found that the repetition rate is related to the impedance of the item being excited? Yes. The 15" loop takes longer to compile or buildup
Have you ever tried exciting Litz or simlar multiconductor? It is a guess that it is detrimental, and I have never heard of anyone trying this. Yes before. I used the EZflow audio cable. Litz wire strands coated with silver. Have in inventory and can pull it into buid.
You mentioned MOSFET's before (840's), are you using one to start the pulse and another to stop it? Yes. Dual pulse protocol using Jason's hardware, controller and SSR boards.
Have you tried them in avalanche mode? Not yet. Didn't pursue that and am not sure how to get that done.
How high of a voltage / current are you using? 5v fet gate. +200v source to drain coil bias on one bifialr run and pulse other bifilar run.
<100ma current.
The cross-talk between the MOSFE's may be some sort of standing wave effect (it looked like a clean sine wave) between the switches. One side of the switch looks like a brick wall, so it reflects between them. I see that.
How long did this reflection occur before it smoked the MOSFET's or dissipated? This is very significant even if no one else sees it as such. The event hits and no hardware damaged. Between 1 and 2 minutes. Controller just shuts off because it's supply is a lm7805, an inherent firewall! The fets left on cause the current rise thereby triggering thermal protection in the v reg.
Sorry GK, I postd in the wrong thread - thanks for the reply though.
I was referring to this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7926.msg202336#msg202336
The MOSFET's kept oscillating when the sig gen was turned off.
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what is a realistic repetion rate and rise time with saturable reactors?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 28, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
what is a realistic repetion rate and rise time with saturable reactors?
Depends on the material, size, etc..
I think the repetition rate is not as important as the rise/peak/fall time
I have heard mention of using a second control winding wired opposite of the main dc winding to snap desaturate the core. needs more research.
I have seen reported 5ns transition times.
Im may see if these guys will put together a HF developer kit for me with a variety of cores to play with.
I had hoped to outline a test setup today related to my mosfets but its been a busy day.. maybe tomorrow..
Is the current induced by a traveling wave reversed like normal induction? (Lenz's Law)
Yes, this is a loaded question.
Does a traveling wave induce other traveling waves as it moves along an air-cored coil?
this discussion tread started out of nowhere, can we have a diagram please, so we know what the set up is?
Also high voltage DC bias? on coils? This would mean a huge DC current (if resistance is just that of the wire)
EM
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Low power frequencies combine to create a single pulse with an amplitude great enough to saturate the system and for a nanosecond disrupt the high voltage dc bias.
The advantage of using the frequencies in this way is to achieve a much more rapid ON>OFF>ON switching than could be accomplished with conventional circuits.
This rapid transition from ON>OFF>ON creates the radiant event that is collected
Current induced reversed?
No. A traveling wave is only group velocity of changes in density. This is why the effects can be superluminal. Mass cannot move faster than light but space can.
Group velocity is relative and can be used in math for a velocity with the same results but the results will indicate FTL.
Ex. Two loops with the same center axis....current flows CW in one and CCW in the other. Both currents have a GV of 1c. The effect between them could be the result expected from FTL affects.
IOW:the current induced will be in phase with the voltage and if left unchecked heat could vaporize the conductor.
Just my little interlude from work 8)
I believe that the space between an electron orbital and a neucleus is filled with wave energy. The electron is always changing position relative to the neucleus which results in a continous repolarization of the field between the neucleus and the electron. This causes a displacement current to flow between the two and a photon or photon packet is born due to the electron movement relative to the proton in the core. The transmission of this tiny amount of emwave energy is lost in the chaotic emwave field creating our reality. But if we can get all the atoms placed correctly so that the entire mass in question radiates superimposed waves then the energy density of our field becomes less chaotic and more predictable. This radiant energy is radiated everywhere that a repolarization of space is occuring even if it is the space between an electron and the neucleous.
Quote from: sparks on October 09, 2009, 07:12:34 PM
I believe that the space between an electron orbital and a neucleus is filled with wave energy. The electron is always changing position relative to the neucleus which results in a continous repolarization of the field between the neucleus and the electron. This causes a displacement current to flow between the two and a photon or photon packet is born due to the electron movement relative to the proton in the core. The transmission of this tiny amount of emwave energy is lost in the chaotic emwave field creating our reality. But if we can get all the atoms placed correctly so that the entire mass in question radiates superimposed waves then the energy density of our field becomes less chaotic and more predictable. This radiant energy is radiated everywhere that a repolarization of space is occuring even if it is the space between an electron and the neucleous.
I understand that as:
Space is not a void. It is the medium which mass rides within. The only way mass can exceed c is if the space holding the mass moves or expands/contracts FTL.
;D
EDIT>>
This thread is a great honeypot but it is becoming a bit sticky in here :D
@BEP
I tried to convey the idea that an electron moving about a positively charged center constantly creates a moving polarized field. Most electrons move about the neucleus at 1/6 the speed of light. So this repolarization of space is fast. (An electron is like a tornadoe of virtual current producing stuff appearing to move at a certain altitude above the neucleus) The field between the electron and the neucleus is like the field between charged capacitor plates. As the electron shifts position relative to the protons it is like when we charge a capacitor. There is a flow of virtual particles that creates a displacement of the magnetic field in phase with the change of the electric field. Guess you could call it a mini scaler wave. The flow of virtual particles is a massless event and can even precede the electron movement at various angles to the proton surface. Any way these scaler waves stay within the atmosphere of the atom mostly. Like thunder and transverse waves stay mostly within the Schuman cavity. When we repolarize the space an atom lies in the moving electron becomes relative to the scource of positive charge also but the pole must move closer to the electron than the neucleus before any virtual particles flow. Therefore our collector has to either be of very high potential further away and pulsed so that the atom doesnt move away from the anode or very close to the atom. The casmir effect traps the atoms close to the anode while a torroidal coil concentrates the atoms close to the anode. Various crystalline structures also locate atoms whereby the electron kinetic energy can be transformed into potential.