Like this one, I'm sure you've seen it a zillion times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLtxAoN22g
I had a nice routine going that ended many months ago. I would log on to youtube every few days and search for magnet motor, overunity or free energy and categorize by newest and keep caught up on what everyone was doing and uploading. And there was a lot of people feeding off of eachothers work and trying different angles and it was fun to watch and get the creative ideas flowing for my own experiments. But these guys come along now with a constant hourly flood making it very hard to catch that new video by a new member without wading through dozens of pages of magniwork spam floods. It's really pissing me off, anybody else a little annoyed? Anything that can be done about it? It's clear youtube doesn't give a shit. Flood youtube with complaint messages? I dunno...
I am sick of it also. Just in one day there seems to be up to 10 or more pages of it. These guys need to be shut down at the source. There are probably so many buyers that dont have a clue that its a scam and keep the info like its gold due to not being able to build the thing in hopes of some day being able to.
Magluvin
I'm not sure what the solution is. These scammers are flooding the internet with false advertising and like you said, claiming youtube inventions as their own. I'd like to find out who is behind this and kick their ass. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Makes me almost as mad as Mylow. No wonder so many people believe that free energy promoters like us are wierdos. It's scammers like them that give us a bad name.
Quote from: Xaverius on October 11, 2009, 12:49:24 AM
I'm not sure what the solution is. These scammers are flooding the internet with false advertising and like you said, claiming youtube inventions as their own. I'd like to find out who is behind this and kick their ass. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Makes me almost as mad as Mylow. No wonder so many people believe that free energy promoters like us are wierdos. It's scammers like them that give us a bad name.
If you find out who they are, let me know, I'll join you in kicking their ass lol...
They are actually actively hindering the progress on our hobby/endeavour of reaching free energy/overunity. The activity of experiments being uploaded and discussion of that activity on youtube, from what I can tell, is way down. So you have people uploading their videos and getting little feedback, people who would have seen a video and had an idea of their own don't see it an consequently don't end up participating. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say there might be someone bigger behind this scam than just scammers. It seems to be working good for hindering progress. I know there is still work being uploaded to youtube, but I'm pretty sure it's way down now. I use to check it all the time.
I don't do your kind or searching, although maybe I should. I had not come across them, just noticed that a fellow researcher sent their website link to me just days ago, as something that seemed interesting. It's easy to find now, apparently.
I was extremely impressed with this demonstration by Howard Yu : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k
Perhaps the most impressing since that other Howard? He does mention his work. Then, so did Mylow.
Around the same time, James Roney posts this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6T8cXczyu0
I see some faint relation to work reportedly done decades ago in Romania, before being suppressed. Widely, albeit vague reported on this forum.
So let's not despair just yet :-)
I really can't stand fakers, and would love to call them to order. On the one hand they deserve a flood of response videos, exposing their crimes. Then, that would just take energy of talented researchers away from breakthroughs that may be about to get suppressed. The ignoring game seems to work great against Charlie Sheen, perhaps ignoring these guys is also the thing they'll hate most? A simple sticky on related forums should keep more serious researchers from wasting their money and time on it. Read once, know forever, be better prepared next time.
For now, I'm subscribing to each Youtube poster with some original approach or idea.
Hi all
Here are a couple of articles on this problem.
Magniwork Energy internet scam from Stirling Allan hmmm ::) even he was selling plans at one time
http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/08/magniwork-energy-internet-scam
And
I sell “poor quality†Magniworks guides
http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/10/i-sell-poor-quality-magniworks-guides/
cat
LOL It bugs the heck out of me TOO! Here is something I do when I search for youtube videos use
-Magniwork
in front of your search word, it works really great in reducing the spam.
;D
one thing to do is to flood every video they post with dozens of comments reporting them as the scammers they are.
and telling people NOT to give them their money.
YouTube seem unable to stop these scammers ::)
Every time I see there videos I click on the flag option and select spam,
but it takes YouTube up to 24 hours to stop the user, by which time he has posted the video 30 times or more,and then they just rejoin YouTube under a new username and start all over again.
you can't even e-mail YouTube to complain >:( :( :o
cat
Quote from: Hugo Chavez on October 10, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
Like this one, I'm sure you've seen it a zillion times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLtxAoN22g
I had a nice routine going that ended many months ago.
Yes a REAL pain ... but it forced me here to ou dom com to find out whats up
Quote from: Justalabrat on October 11, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
LOL It bugs the heck out of me TOO! Here is something I do when I search for youtube videos use
-Magniwork
in front of your search word, it works really great in reducing the spam.
;D
thank you! this is an excellent tip. It does work. They post under a few different names now so all you have to do is include a (-) for whatever homepage they have included in their description. like: "-magniwork" But, they're still a major problem and still hindering discussion since there's no way to get this info out to the masses. Before they started this, there were quite a few videos being uploaded from completely new people. Now, not near as many. I'm guessing after months of spamming their videos around the clock, there are many people that never come in contact with the video that might have spured an idea with them or made them feel like uploading work they had done in the past, so they never go on to upload their own experiments thanks to mangiwork. Several takes on it, probabaly all valid. They really need to be stopped.
I'll also mention the fact that guys like this who blatantly scam the masses are actually doing far more than preventing discussion on youtube. They are turning off the masses. How many people out there get excited about the prospect, read the hype and get scammed? Well they're not likely to take real progress serious when it does come along now. These will be the people who go on to attack this great endeavour. IMO, this is worthy of a freaking war by Overunity.com against these guys. I don't know what, legal? spamback? hack... something ???...... there must be something to do to stop these guys? no?
okay I just got this e-mail from YouTube, I am posting it here for those of you that didn't get one.
Subject: Magniwork's Massive Spam Champagne
Hello,
Thank you for your recent comments against Magniwork's massive spamming.
As of 10.12.2009 Magniworks continues to copy other peoples videos, put their name on them and repost them back to YouTube. On average Magniworks repost 500 to a 1,0000 videos a day of the same stolen videos. To date Magniworks has posted over 25,000 videos on YouTube under different names. Please help report Magniwork's super massive spamming champagne, others already have. Will you join us in this fight?
Thanks in advance for your community support.
YouTube office:
Phone: 1-650-253-0000
Fax: 1-650-253-0001
Email: service@youtube.com
Hello Free Energy Seekers.
As you may have noticed by now, Magniwork Scam has begun to spam YouTube on a scale unlike ever seen before. At the time of this posting, Magniwork has made over 10,000 postings on YouTube alone of which nearly all of them are the same stolen video posted over and again.
This alone gives great cause for great concern as to whether or not Magniwork is a scam. DATA that is starting to come in from those who have dealt with Magniworks are telling people it's a scam. Google's phone numbers are at the bottom of this report.
Recently I found posts from YouTubers stating they got ripped off for a $100.00 dollars for blueprints that do not work. Posters go on to say that Magniwork tech support will not even return their emails. However their posts alerting the public about Magniwork always get deleted quickly. Even my comments with questions get deleted right away.
Thus, this channel has been set up to hear from YouTubers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMq0fdsKa9Q&feature=email
END
Now the war has started
cat
I agree with everything said so far and my web site and youtube videos are plastered with this crap. You cannot get rid of them , as everythime i block a url they use another to continue being spread by adsense
Quote from: Craigy on October 17, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
I agree with everything said so far and my web site and youtube videos are plastered with this crap. You cannot get rid of them , as everythime i block a url they use another to continue being spread by adsense
Magniwork is a bunch of filthy basturds.
Dobreski or Vrcakovski ? http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/16/magniwork-scammers-unmasked/
Quote from: powercat on October 18, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
Dobreski or Vrcakovski ? http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/16/magniwork-scammers-unmasked/
thank you... time for a little payback :P
I set this topic sticky,
so everybody sees, who they are !
I also have to update my blacklist of domains who can advertise over here
via Google Adsense, as they always register new domains to advertise over here...
Maybe we should post the newest Magniwork PDF Files always over here for free,
so nobody will buy them ?
Would that be legal this way to hit back on them ?
I don´t want to get sued..
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on October 20, 2009, 10:56:18 AM
Maybe we should post the newest Magniwork PDF Files always over here for free,
so nobody will buy them ?
Would that be legal this way to hit back on them ?
I don´t want to get sued..
Regards, Stefan.
It's a fraud anyway, so I don't think that would matter. If anything it would probably shut them up??
Hi Stefan
That's a very good idea if I had these files I would post them ;)
I think other members will also join in,
but we are relying on people looking at this forum before purchasing
cat
wish I knew how many orders these jokers have taken so that I could calculate whether it's feasible to file a class action lawsuit.
youtube search: permanent magnet motor
Wow man. You have to scrool 3 pages over to find something other then magniworks scam post ..and then magniworks scam continues on for few more pages till find another video from someone else. Fkin money slaves...
Is a lawyer over here who can answer this ?
I still have somewhere a recent Magniwork PDF file on
my other PC and have to look for it.
Then we can post it over here for free
and if some users help to
spread the link in the youtube videos to over here to
download the "free" version, nobody will buy it anymore...
Also it could be uploaded to rapidshare or other
upload services and the links be posted in the comments
sections of their spam videos.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan
Almost anybody can take private action against you for almost any reason, proving they are right is a different matter. I am not saying that I'm a lawyer, just that taking action is easy
I think the bigger problem is their Internet hacking skills being used against this forum if we are seen as a threat to their profits.
This may not be a problem if other forums and groups were to join in,
and may be a date can be set where everyone would post the information.
There are already some people trying to stop them I have posted the links on previous pages.
On the other hand you could take the opportunity to test this forum's defences
cat
I've been giving all those videos a poor rating on youtube...do the same if you visit. They've obviously put up a bunch of the same video with the same title. Stupid people.
I have the PDF
it's the latest one, not the older Bedini version .
I'll be happy to post it, is Stefan says it's OK,
but it's easy enough to find on any BitTorrent site .
look familiar ? lol
The Magniwork permanent advert is back on YouTube thay have changed the wording of the advert, so now it is not claiming 100% free energy, but when you get to the bottom of the advert and you click on the link that says guaranteed free energy it takes you to the same old BS as before.
How stupid are the people at YouTube to allow this advert back,
where are the Internet police when you need them
cat
Okay, Mr. Video go ahead and post the file.
As I am not currently at my home PC I have not yet found the file.
Many thanks.
The .pdf is to big to attach here, even if i zip it, it's still over 600kb
Please upload over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=add;cat=25
There is 5 MB space for a file.
Many thanks in advance.
it's uploaded .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=346
thankyou Stefan :)
OMG Blatant thievery....
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
I must admit that I haven't studied up on the Romag. But I HAVE read every last page on Jean Louis site. Magniwork has just copied and pasted his (Naudin's) info into the PDF. I wonder if Magniwork has ever heard of International Copywrite Laws?
I wonder what youtube could do about it. They spam using bunch of different user names and locations possibly. They literally rob public in plain daylight + spam youtube@com. Seems like anyone can collect open source information create pdf file and sell it - ebooks and etc. You probably cant touch them on that. But they have got to stop spamming - it creates thief image - because info is relatively useless ... really not worth the money they are charging.
QuoteThey spam using bunch of different user names and locations possibly
Definitely, these guys are very clever at hacking the Internet and YouTube.
It's amazing how many people are selling BS guides on the net, you could waste a lot of money
on 'How to win the lottery' 'How to win at roulette' and 'How to become a billionaire'
my favourite of all 'How to live forever'
I have a worrying feeling Magniwork is going to be around for a long-time.
cat
that company is a joke
i downloaded the pdf from a torrent site
i read thru it and i never seen such junk in my life
so glad i didn't pay for it...
Hi all,
First off, the download doesn't work for me. But secondly, all of the sites shown on magnetgeneratorexposed.com seem associated with Click Bank (Slick Bank).
The three that are seemingly scams are:
MagniWork
Magnets4Energy
Free Power Blueprint
I fell for the last one. The motor/generator they show is Bedini's SSG motor and schematic. I was so mad. They just copy the documents and sell them to suckers like me.
Beware of these and Click Bank. Someone is making money these days ... I know it's not me!
Greg
Quote from: Mr_Video on October 22, 2009, 08:05:13 PM
it's uploaded .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=346
thankyou Stefan :)
Sorry to hear about your raw deal Gmeast
I was doing some research today on another thread, and came across another forum about free energy and technology and their site was covered in big adverts for Magniwork.
These guys seem unstoppable.
cat
Hi Greg,
this is the direct link for the free Magniwork PDF Ebook download :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=346
Just click it and save the PDF file to your harddisk.
Too bad these suckers try make a buck on work other do for free here.
We have to stop them.
Regards, Stefan.
How do we stop them.
I made a post on youtube it was removed, it seems you can make a negative comment a bout
Magniwork but you can't tell people where to get the information free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9yEtK2meoo
I also noticed last night somebody posted a video telling everyone that Magniwork was a scam,
this video is also now been removed
The administrators of YouTube are fu**ing stupid
cat
Try google it this names Igor Dobreski and Vojdan Vrcakovski with cyrilic letters like: Игор Ð"обреÑки and Ð'ојдан Ð'рчаковÑки
Maybe this is the guy from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9yEtK2meoo posted video:
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:12BY7UVRGlcJ:www.crm.com.mk/default.aspx%3FMainId%3D4%26ID%3D30120090171533+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%B2%D1%80%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk
good luck
Another Company - another scam.
http://www.magnets4energy.com/index2.php
@hugo and all,
Feds r on it :-*
I have a couple experiments of my own on the go, and every time I go on the internet looking for information, I run into these adds. The problem is they have a lot of affiliates selling it. From what I know of clickbank, ad-words ,etc... the affiliates have to pay per click and hope they make more sales than they are paying for advertising, domains, keywords and all the rest. If someone could figure out a way to swarm their sites with traffic (high clicks), but not purchase anything, they might lose enough money and stop selling. The same goes with the perpetrators. Anyone have the equivalent of an auto dialer for the computer?
Quote from: kjelsvik on November 02, 2009, 09:16:43 PM
I have a couple experiments of my own on the go, and every time I go on the internet looking for information, I run into these adds. The problem is they have a lot of affiliates selling it. From what I know of clickbank, ad-words ,etc... the affiliates have to pay per click and hope they make more sales than they are paying for advertising, domains, keywords and all the rest. If someone could figure out a way to swarm their sites with traffic (high clicks), but not purchase anything, they might lose enough money and stop selling. The same goes with the perpetrators. Anyone have the equivalent of an auto dialer for the computer?
THIS is a great idea! Start a thread and I'll participate, I'm unemployed right now :D
I downloaded this file and posted it to a free public file server
for someone that was having trouble downloading it here too.
I am duplicating that link here as a backup.
That (Helper) thread will fade into the sunset,
but this is the actual thread to offset the fraud.
The thread I assisted in:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8272.msg208504#msg208504
The free file server here:
http://www.filedropper.com/Magna-Wont-Work
OU's file stats:
828,455-bytes
809-KB
Note:
He managed to get a copy elsewhere,
it was the same 57 pages like OU's,
but his file was way way to huge...
6,608,383-bytes
6.30-MB
Be leary of that one,
I suspect a payoad!
How do we stop them?
I claimed a refund through PayPal... reason - that the "product" was freely available and Magniwork was robbing people.
Clickbank refunded the money
Report them to Google and Firefox as frauds..
I paid them and I downloaded PDF files from magniwork web site but I haven't had free time to study their project yet.
I saw this subject about magniwork here after weeks I had paid them. So everybody here is saying that they stole others work and sold as if it was their work?!?
I thought it was their own project, they even were on Discovery Channel last year, I watched their magnetic free energy motor running on tv, was this motor fake or scum ??
So what should I do to get my money back?
Quote from: Cydonian on December 06, 2009, 08:17:10 AM
I paid them
and I downloaded PDF files
from magniwork web site...
First,
would you be so kind as to tell us:
1 - How many file
s(You indicated the plural "File
s")
2 - Their exact filename(s?)
3 - Their size (Each) in bytes
(Right click > properties...)
There is a procedure to get your money back
through click-bank, PayPal, Etc.
I'll collect that info while we await
your reply on the above file info.
Thank you very much in advance ! :)
Quote from: CompuTutor on December 06, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
First,
would you be so kind as to tell us:
1 - How many files
(You indicated the plural "Files")
2 - Their exact filename(s?)
3 - Their size (Each) in bytes
(Right click > properties...)
There is a procedure to get your money back
through click-bank, PayPal, Etc.
I'll collect that info while we await
your reply on the above file info.
Thank you very much in advance ! :)
Magniwork Premium Pack
1) Magniwork Ebook.pdf-> 828.430 bytes
2) Home Renewable Bundle (dir)
-------------------------------
HomeEnergy.pdf -> 100.081 bytes
LivingGreen.pdf-> 950.088 bytes
RenewableEnergy.pdf ->689.848 bytes
3) Save Money at the Gas Pump (dir)
------------------------------------
62 ways to save.pdf -> 450.914 bytes
GasSavingDevices.pdf-> 207.981 bytes
Water to Gas.pdf -> 688.172 bytes
4) Solar and Wind DIY KITS (dir)
----------------------------------
Magniwork - Solar Panel.pdf -> 1.221.378 bytes
Magniwork - Wind Turbines.pdf -> 680.179 bytes
Did any of you try to build their free energy device ?? If yes, does it work ??
I am asking because I watched their free energy device was working on Discovery Channel.
I will try to build it if I have some spare time these days.
I found this company, Lutec Australia Pty Ltd, web site: http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm
its link was on a youtube video ( 440% over unity magnetic motor home generator ) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5jtx0IFgQ
and on their web site, it says:
BE WARNED - 'MAGNIWORK' IS NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY TO LUTEC AUSTRALIA, DOES NOT SELL PLANS FOR OUR EQUIPMENT AND IS NOT AUTHORISED TO USE OUR VIDEOS ON THEIR SITE!
So does magniwork sell this company's work illegally??
In a word: YES
(They ARE stealing and selling others intelectual property...)
Thank you very much for the exact file names and sizes ! :)
That helps us all out.
As soon as I can collect all these files from around the net
I will put them on a free file server for all to review
without being scammed out of hard earned money for stolen stuff.
I can only hope others partake in collecting,
then sharing these too to ruin their sales...
I think I'll put them all in one archive for ease.
Or perhaps someone here that has paid
and has been fully reimbursed too
could send me the full archive please?
I'll gladly post it so many places on the internet
it will prove impossible to delete them all 8)
Basically, it seems from others that it boils down to these two sites:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
And yes, Lutec's (Stolen) ideas were in one of their releases it seems:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm
These scammer's seem shamless, don't they?
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An Overunity forum user that purchased it put his copy here:
(It is the newer one)
828,455-bytes
809-KB
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=346
I put a back copy here too:
828,455-bytes
809-KB
http://www.filedropper.com/Magna-Wont-Work
(Forgive my play on words in the filename...)
Interesting it is only 25-bytes different from the
''Magniwork Ebook.pdf'' version you just downloaded.
Perhaps you could compare the two for us all?
Also please note that a file
is available by Torrent, P2P, Etc.
it was the same 57 pages like OU's,
but this file is way way to huge...
6,608,383-bytes
6.30-MB
Over 5 extra meg's.
Be leary of that one,
I suspect a payoad!
*********************************************************
Did I get this all correct?
Magniwork Premium Pack:
828,430-bytes .\Magniwork Ebook.pdf
100,081-bytes .\Home Renewable Bundle\HomeEnergy.pdf
950,088-bytes .\Home Renewable Bundle\LivingGreen.pdf
689,848-bytes .\Home Renewable Bundle\RenewableEnergy.pdf
450,914-bytes .\Save Money at the Gas Pump\62 ways to save.pdf
207,981-bytes .\Save Money at the Gas Pump\GasSavingDevices.pdf
688,172-bytes .\Save Money at the Gas Pump\Water to Gas.pdf
1,221,378-bytes .\Solar and Wind DIY KITS\Magniwork - Solar Panel.pdf
680,179-bytes .\Solar and Wind DIY KITS\Magniwork - Wind Turbines.pdf
```````````````
5,817,071-bytes
5,681~-Kilo-bytes
5.547~-Mega-bytes
You have listed directories,
it must have come as a
.ZIP or .RAR archive, right?
What is the name of that archive,
and It's exact size in bytes please?
Thank you in advance for this ! :)
*********************************************************
You didn't indicate your method of payment,
but you should find these links a good start:
Remember, report that they charged you for what is available for free,
especially represent it as fraud to PayPal or your credit card company!
Click-Bank:
US and Canada Toll Free: 1-800-390-6035
Direct: 1-208-345-4245
M-F 7A-6P (Mountain Time)
Open your order,
fill in the form,
and check the “Refund†button:
http://www.clickbank.com/orderDetail.htm
Report fraud:
http://www.clickbank.com/reportproblem.html
Live Chat:
https://www.clickbank.com/webchat/userinfo.jsp?chatID=&workgroup=cb_csq@workgroup.im.clickbank.local
Report fraud:
http://adwords.google.com/support/aw/bin/request.py?display=form&contact_type=tiaff
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Some light reading:
Stirling D Allan: ''This is Fraud'':
http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/08/magniwork-energy-internet-scam/
SCAM: Bogus claim on plagiarized work:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magniwork
I sell ''poor quality'' Magniworks guides:
http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/10/i-sell-poor-quality-magniworks-guides/
Igor Dobreski & Vojdan Vrcakovski:
http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/16/magniwork-scammers-unmasked/
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Well, I have poked around for 24 hours...
(In the wondrous world of Torrent's and P2P)
I have collected 152 files in 73 folders
that have absolutely nothing to do with Magni-Jerks.
That is a whopping 435 MB (456,333,013 bytes)
LOL ;D
Anyway, Cydonian I have the exact (CD Root) file now,
so no need to compare them for us after all.
But thank if you if you were willing to do that for us.
In fact, of the many files I have that DO have
that have something to do with Magni-Jerks.
All four of these are of the same vintage.
What I mean is they all sponsor the same
stolen product info in all of them.
The properties tell an interesting story.
Note the sizes of the last two, be careful!
I wonder what "Wayne's" payload is ???
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Filename: Magniwork.pdf
bytes 828,430
Kilo-bytes 809
Mega-bytes N/A
Title: Magniwork
Subject:
Author: Marijan
Creator: Acrobat PDFMaker 9.0 for Word
Producer: Adobe PDF Library 9.0
Keywords:
Created: 2009-06-05 23:46:50
Modified: 2009-06-05 23:47:13
PDF Version: PDF-1.5
Page Size: 8.50 x 11.00 in
Number Of Pages: 57
Filename: Magniwork.pdf
bytes 828,455
Kilo-bytes 809
Mega-bytes N/A
Title: Magniwork
Subject:
Author: Marijan
Creator: Acrobat PDFMaker 9.0 for Word
Producer: Adobe PDF Library 9.0
Keywords:
Created: 2009-08-23 16:03:24
Modified: 2009-08-23 16:03:50
PDF Version: PDF-1.5
Page Size: 8.50 x 11.00 in
Number Of Pages: 57
Filename: mgw_09x.pdf !!! USE CAUTION !!!
bytes 6,608,383
Kilo-bytes N/A
Mega-bytes 6.30
Title: mgw_09x.pdf
Subject:
Author: wayne
Creator: Adobe Acrobat 9.0.0
Producer: GNU Ghostscript 7.06
Keywords:
Created: 11732-100-100 19646:98:33460
Modified: 2009-12-07 13:25:13
PDF Version: PDF-1.3
Page Size: 8.26 x 11.69 in
Number Of Pages: 57
Filename: mgw_09x.pdf !!! USE CAUTION !!!
bytes 6,612,943
Kilo-bytes N/A
Mega-bytes 6.30
Title: mgw_09x.pdf
Subject:
Author: wayne
Creator: Adobe Acrobat 9.0.0
Producer: GNU Ghostscript 7.06
Keywords:
Created: 11732-100-100 19646:98:33460
Modified: 2009-11-11 20:57:57
PDF Version: PDF-1.3
Page Size: 8.26 x 11.69 in
Number Of Pages: 57
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I hope to obtain an actual archive set from
a purchaser that has received a full refund.
I don't see the point in clogging up this fine
forum's & Stefan's server with intermediate
partials files sets as I await a valid archive.
I will still hunt for amusement mostly.
So here is the above four files
in a Win-RAR archive for now.
If you scroll back in this thread
you can see the almost four dozen
online A/V scanners I used on these
smaller files before archiving them.
I included a text file with dated data too.
Upon getting a valid archive from a purchaser
I will pepper the internet with free files daily
in an attempt to stop their profiting from this.
Stefan, you are of course welcome to serve
a copy of this too if you would like. :)
One thing that can't be said.
Magni-Wonk's have been given every chance
for over a year now to produce proof that
ANY, I mean even ONE of the ideas they
unabashedly stole from others actually works.
Please correct me and provide a link if I am wrong.
To date, not one person has come forward
with an actual working device for all to test.
So no, I don't feel I'm doing an injustice,
In fact I feel this IS justice for ALL ...
And yes, I will absolutely forward a copy
to the two websites that were pillaged.
That's only fair, right?
Free MEANS FREE dammit ;D
9.39 MB (9,855,076 bytes) 8)
http://www.filedropper.com/12-08-09magniworkfiles_1
Hope this helps people somehow.
Why is this bozo not stopped by the bozo's at youtube. They are unforgiving on innocent members but when it comes to fraud they don't seem to mind.
I have read quotes around the net
about numbers as high as 10,000
of the videos currently on YouTube.
That is a hard ubber-campain to tame.
("Pain" pun/misspelling intended ;) ...)
And It occurred to me my request for a link
to prove viability for the stolen technology
might include the "Stolee" victims too.
I have my own beliefs on the viability
of the intellectual property they used.
And that is not harsh at all,
in fact I see some merit and possibility.
I meant that MagniWont has been asked,
and has not provided any verifyable successes.
Hope that clarification helps.
Only thing I hate about this forum engine is this.
We aren't carving stone here as we go,
we are dealing with dynamic topics by nature.
I keep my post links and go back regularly
(On "Other" forum engines than this one)
and correct/update them for ALL future viewers
that may be reading a thread from the start
or at least from a point just before I post.
I posted something barely over a dozen hours ago,
and I am now (Already) screwed out of keeping
things accurate and up to date for all future viewers.
Gosh I hate that...
It is a real bugger.
It keeps me from posting very much,
when I otherwise would contribute.
Here is the updated link.
Sadly, I will have to make a NEW post
every friggin time because of this issue.
This isn't stone...
12-08-09 Magniwork Files.rar (http://www.filedropper.com/12-08-09magniworkfiles)
http://www.tinyurl.com/antimagniwork
Quote from: CompuTutor on December 08, 2009, 01:24:53 PM
I hope to obtain an actual archive set from
a purchaser that has received a full refund.
I don't see the point in clogging up this fine
forum's & Stefan's server with intermediate
partials files sets as I await a valid archive.
Hope this helps people somehow.
@CompuTutor,
I took the bait on both of the Magniwork and magnets 4 energy
The Jean Laudin and Bandini projects.
I asked for a return from both and got my money back though.
As you asked the above question I will try to accommodate your request but you will need to come down to my level. I believe I have all links and stuff I used to buy the scams, and how they refunded my money.
Anyway I will try to get you what you want.
Zane.
if you want to walk me through what you need I'll give you my phone number and we can talk.
Send me a private email
dzndlideas@aol.com
Thank you Zane.
I'll make this easy.
When you purchased the MagniJerks set,
you most likely had to download it as a file.
It appears from others posts to be
a single file archive of seperate files.
Packaged with Win-RAR or Win-ZIP.
Could you right click on that single downloaded file,
and choose "Properties" on the sub menu that appears.
On it will be two lines of information.
1st will be the ACTUAL "Size",
2nd the "Size On Disk" (Larger).
(Larger due to Micro$haft's file structure overhead and so forth...)
I need the ACTUAL size in bytes
from the 1st (Top) line of information
for the archive file you downloaded.
The total size of all the files is
5,817,071-bytes
So the archive will most likely be
a little smaller due to compression.
The line should look like this.
"5.78 MB (6,066,176 bytes)"
Thank you in advance.
If perhaps you bought just one section
it will be a single PDF file and the above wont apply.
See (My) post 52, section #3 from me for the archive files,
or (My) post 53 for the sizes of the seperate (Single) PDF file...
CompuTutor,
I thought I had the letter of organization captured on this order, but I cannot seem to find it. I searched multiple times for this folder and related download without success.
sorry I could not help.
all of the active links have changed and I can find no files related to the download.
First, thank for trying to help us all out.
You have been the first to respond
to my request for exact file size.
Yeah, the links are a one time deal,
and will not work a second time.
I have several archives from around the world,
but I hesitate to release them until I know it is the exact one.
I have instead only released just the four versions
of the main PDF from the full archive...
Cydonian bought the whole pack too,
but I haven't gotten file sizes from him/her yet.
Anyway, thanks for trying. :)
Sigh
I am sad I need to post more about this subject because it burns my butt.
I really wanted to believe this program was valid, I searched lots of websites of people who I would call a mentor to me in the ou field, and because many of them were advertising the magnifraud, I figured it was legit. lol, what a joke
Now today I reflect and concede, at least I have my money back.
All I wanted was clear directions. without support from the developer these things are useless. Everybody has questions.....
I went ahead and subscribed to JL Naudin yahoo group.
thank you for contributing
Merry, Merry Christmes.
Anyone tried this one? http://www.magnet4power.com/?hop=xworks
Quote from: russty on February 21, 2010, 10:39:11 PM
Anyone tried this one? http://www.magnet4power.com/?hop=xworks
Same shit, different day dude:
FREE (Overunty has backup copy)
Latest Version:
http://www.filedropper.com/Magna-Wont-Work
Latest Four Variations:
http://www.filedropper.com/12-08-09magniworkfiles
Actual Concept Ownwer:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
them magniworks and witts. they give the movement a bad name. i feel sorry for anyone that uses the "dont research" method and just throw money out. there is one born every minit.
anyone seen this one? Looks pretty good. I think I have the dimensions. If a trick, a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv
also this looks like a dandy for a windmill
http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf
Does anyone have a Magniworks device that he's willing to send me (to Massachusetts) for a couple of months to study it?
Quote from: h2ocommuter on December 24, 2009, 08:01:37 PM
I really wanted to believe this program was valid, I searched lots of websites of people who I would call a mentor to me in the ou field, and because many of them were advertising the magnifraud, I figured it was legit. lol, what a joke
People who have ads on their website, such as mine, are often using the google adsense program. When you do that, ads are selected using an automated system and can change at any time. We do have some control. Whenever I see a magnifraud ad on one of my webpages, I go to my google adsense account and block it out (mark it as a competitor.) But magnifraud just keeps creating new webpages and new ads. So just because an ad is on a website it doesn't mean it's being endorsed though I do get upset that the ads can lead people astray - after all the purpose of the website is to share and to find like-minded people.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
PS. For me the ads pay for all the website costs plus a little extra for experiment costs - I doubt any of us are getting rich and I am by no means rich myself.
Omnibus, forget about witts. their attitude in other forums, in itself, reflects at best not a good org.
100 dollar minimum (donation)? for any info. i dont think they even sell a device.
check here for reliable info:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
i am not affiliated in any way with these sites however the intense studying and research on the web has reflected: if i had any money to give it would be directed to panacea. i will give to them when i get my machines on the grid and start making money. open source is the key to this "movement" towards clean energy.
anyone seen this one? i think it great way of softening if not removing back emf. brilliant!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Th3Generat0r
enjoy peace out, joe
god bless this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhzgS_rq7tg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv
peace out,
joe (mijdtr on u tube)
Quote from: Steven Dufresne on February 25, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
People who have ads on their website, such as mine, are often using the google adsense program. When you do that, ads are selected using an automated system and can change at any time. We do have some control. Whenever I see a magnifraud ad on one of my webpages, I go to my google adsense account and block it out (mark it as a competitor.) But magnifraud just keeps creating new webpages and new ads. So just because an ad is on a website it doesn't mean it's being endorsed though I do get upset that the ads can lead people astray - after all the purpose of the website is to share and to find like-minded people.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
PS. For me the ads pay for all the website costs plus a little extra for experiment costs - I doubt any of us are getting rich and I am by no means rich myself.
Steven , I thank you so much because that clears up that mentor stink thing I was having trouble with.
I know we are all studying as diligently an possible and your vision has revealed the pollution that these adds are creating.
I can see how brilliant studies have been duped by these advertisers.
Zane
Warning
http://pesn.com/2010/05/24/9501650_Warning_Clickbank_Magniwork_scam/
Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pppp
So i saw the ads for Magniwork and got curious about the science/tech behind it. Then i found links saying they ripped it off from Jean-Luis Naudin. And then i found a pdf file w/ a bunch of crazy talk leading up to the science and materials needed and how to build it. Then i found this thread.
pdf file: http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/master.pdf
check out: http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/
Read the first few pages of the pdf, get a feel for the people explaining it. Then jump to pages 69 and 79. Should look familiar. That site posted above under the pdf file is quite... interesting, to say the least, as well.
I really dislike frauds of any kind. It gives all of us in this community a bad name no matter what we may have, or may not have, discovered.
I am so glad OU dot com exists so we can sort out all of the BS from the "real" thing.
Don't ever give up.
Bill
Yes someone even posted on my video I made about my free energy experiment,,it was about the lt motor, and I visited their site,,they just want money. If you got something offer it to everyone for free and provide a schematic I say. By the way if you want to see my video its here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezkFvz_lU24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezkFvz_lU24)
In a word: YES (They ARE stealing and selling others intelectual property...)
Thank you very much for the exact file names and sizes ! :) That helps us all out.
As soon as I can collect all these files from around the net I will put them on a free file server for all to review
without being scammed out of hard earned money for stolen stuff.
I can only hope others partake in collecting,
then sharing these too to ruin their sales...
I think I'll put them all in one archive for ease.
Or perhaps someone here that has paid
and has been fully reimbursed too
could send me the full archive please?
I'll gladly post it so many places on the internet
it will prove impossible to delete them all 8)
Basically, it seems from others that it boils down to these two sites:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
And yes, Lutec's (Stolen) ideas were in one of their releases it seems:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm
These scammer's seem shamless, don't they?
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I've got a question, why are people getting so mad about magneticenergy/lutec stealing Naudin work? Does it work? Has anyone built one? From all I've seen it doesn't work and it doesn't matter who stole what. If it doesn't work it's not worth my time.
On the other side if ?? Naudin does work then what in the heck arn't people building these things and using them? Wouldn't that burn magneticenergy and lutec if the device worked?
Quote from: hartiberlin on October 22, 2009, 07:52:13 PM
Please upload over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=add;cat=25
There is 5 MB space for a file.
Many thanks in advance.
This situation exists because we love complaining and crying.
I got the idea for overunity recently and am still in the kindergarten to grasp the principle.
Okay, regarding these scammers thing, I want to say that I have read thru 100s of posts people complaining, crying, whinning and putting allegations that they (magent4energy, magniwork, etc etc) are crooks who sell half baked plans and rob $99 from victim's pocket. Yes, the allegations are true since plans are not complete/actionable.
BUT, the question is: How Do We STOP these Scammers? How Do We root them Out?
It's simple if WE take some ACTION instead of sitting and crying:-
There is actually NOT a SINGLE genuine workable DIY with adequate video instructions on the internet.
In other words, there is NO competition for these scammers.
Lets assemble a team of 5/10 members in here. This team would be responsible for the following:
1) Creating of documented with adequate & clear pictures & graphics of the end product. (say magnet motor).
2) creating instructional video coverage of the building of the device from the scratch till very end. These videos should be professionally produced and not some amature handycam-homemade-videos - they're irritating & annoying to watch.
3) Now, we'd flood the internet with a product that REALLY WORKS and people can actually BENEFIT from the package. Also, available at a reasonable price tag that 90% can afford - say $50!
4) All sales proceed goes to this forum for further development.
Hence, we'd receive the end product that buyers would be delighted to get in their hands. And our scammers would be put to a fire test.
Think about this...
Maybe its the scam of all scams. Dont you find it funny that they can keep going and going?
I think its a way attract people that are new to these ideas, and discourage them with junk that wont work.
How long have they been doing this? Years? $Billions?
Does magniwork pay taxes? Does Obama know this? ;]
There are many people that think about free energy. In my experience, I have to say that at least 50% I talk to have thought of free energy possibilities. Many of them hadnt pursued their thoughts on it, and others refer to Magniwork. Its almost a household name.
What a great business. Discourage FE and take us for billions by selling useless plans. No wonder they dont get shut down. Its THEIR propaganda vehicle. Its THEIR agenda.
They should have been found and done by now. But why not?
But man, Think about if one of us did the same with some plans that do work, how long would you last?
Now, do you want the red pill or the blue pill?
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on May 30, 2011, 12:39:30 PM
Think about this...
Maybe its the scam of all scams. Dont you find it funny that they can keep going and going?
I think its a way attract people that are new to these ideas, and discourage them with junk that wont work.
How long have they been doing this? Years? $Billions?
Does magniwork pay taxes? Does Obama know this? ;]
There are many people that think about free energy. In my experience, I have to say that at least 50% I talk to have thought of free energy possibilities. Many of them hadnt pursued their thoughts on it, and others refer to Magniwork. Its almost a household name.
What a great business. Discourage FE and take us for billions by selling useless plans. No wonder they dont get shut down. Its THEIR propaganda vehicle. Its THEIR agenda.
They should have been found and done by now. But why not?
But man, Think about if one of us did the same with some plans that do work, how long would you last?
Now, do you want the red pill or the blue pill?
Mags
'poisoning the well'...
i'll take the green pill, i grew it myself and know what it's made of... ;)
does anybody know the source video of this demonstration ?
It is used by these spammers to sell fake ebooks.
But what video did they use for their advertisement here ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZmB2XJfdQ
Looks pretty interesting.
Unfortunately the guy is hard to understand.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
The only thing I understood was that 60Hz humm from the grid... However, it does look promising to the power company.
In the light of information now put forward in the "Thrive" movie, it seems obvious that Magniworks is run by Big Energy to "poison the well" and ridicule the idea of FE. Like their sister "free energy generator" they flood the net in a way that takes real manpower and funding. Also their style freaks me out, this so in-the-face greedy, and so well thought out to make FE look stupid. According to earlier posts here nobody had problems getting refunds - of course this camouflage scum will avoid legal trouble that would blow their cover.