These are the alleged stolen emails from CRU over global warming.
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php
Yes, and out of millions of gigabytes of data we have just 160 mb od emails and studies..
Cherry picked?
Torrent
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5171206/Hadley_CRU_Files_(FOI2009.zip)
I realize that a Global warming arguement could go on forever, so I just want to ask. What is wrong with the cherry picked ones? As long as they are accurate, what is wrong with them?
Quote from: Azorus on November 24, 2009, 01:27:04 AM
I realize that a Global warming arguement could go on forever, so I just want to ask. What is wrong with the cherry picked ones? As long as they are accurate, what is wrong with them?
On the conrary, I believe Global warming is another version of 911 designed to snare us all and is imperative to wake up the sleeping masses.
Here is a scientific proof that global warming is a scam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI
MasterPlaster
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Here is a scientific proof that global warming is a scam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI
The source of the River Ganges was discovered generations ago and a shrine was built on the spot. To this day, the glacier has melted so far upstream, it's now a 1 1/2 day walk to get to the glacier today.
Global warming has always gone on.
--Lee
A lot of people are completely misunderstanding this news on the emails in question. Even the hackers are *not* claiming that global warming is untrue. Here's a quote,
"Although there is no hint of evidence that climate change is not real, the emails appear to show researchers manipulating raw data and discussing how to dodge Freedom of Information requests."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html)
Even the skeptics know that global warming is a fact. The question is, *how much* of global warming is caused by humanity. And no, you cannot say *zero* of it is caused by humanity. When time permits I'll find the reference where the hourly temperature in and appreciably around all major cities increases during traffic hours alone!
Paul
Global warming topic:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8356 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8356)
The problem is not if we are warming or not its that the globalist's are trying to use this phenomenon to gain control on a global scale, New World Order.
We need to fight these people on every front.
Guys, global warming is a hoax. Its really easy to see when you read the emails. They infact were hiding declines in temperatures. But you dont have to believe in global warming to believe in alternative energy. I am a huge fan of alternative energy. I believe it is something we need to out compete current energy companies. But global warming is a hoax, and you cannot deny that now. It was a scam to get lots of money, just like a lot of the other scams out there. Those emails, even if they were cherry picked, are still A LOT of them. And lots of fraud is being exposed, which is something we need in our conquest for free energy. Fraud is not a good thing to perpetuate, and i'm sure all of us overunity members can understand that, as we've seen lots of fraud ourselves. But sadly, there are lots of devices that have been silenced too.
Manmade global warming...
None of us really know much except that it is a great lubricant for politics so how can we have a real opinion except for the politics that will divide and conquer us just like always.
The emails show people doing the job they were paid to do ..prove it ... not disprove it.
On the other hand we do disipate heat to make energy and dissipate the same amount when we use it so we are making some heat. Sounds kinda stupid uh?
Politicians will be able to do nothing to protect us from starvation ( if true)except tax the hell out of us in the name of saving us..it always been like that and always will as far as i can see.
The few who do have some real knowledge will drowned out by the grand standers on either side of the construed debate where people will seek a ringside seat in power and control just like always.
So battle your battles the victor will not be either side as nobody has enough info really.Thats why Im not qualified to have an opinion or silly enough to take a side. But there is surely a great ride to be had for those who want to fight..just like always
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on November 26, 2009, 03:09:07 AM
Guys, global warming is a hoax.
@all
Have a look at this:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/FIT/chapter6.asp
My point in posting the site above is that the "warm and cold" cycles have gone on for a very, very long time.
Also, I read in a Discover magazine that the Chinese cultivation of rice caused rice paddies to emit excess methane, which is a greenhouse gas. That ended a cooling trend that would have caused another ice age.
People are doing something to change weather, but not in the long run. When people are gone, the ice ages willl return.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 26, 2009, 10:28:21 AM
@all
Have a look at this:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/FIT/chapter6.asp
My point in posting the site above is that the "warm and cold" cycles have gone on for a very, very long time.
Also, I read in a Discover magazine that the Chinese cultivation of rice caused rice paddies to emit excess methane, which is a greenhouse gas. That ended a cooling trend that would have caused another ice age.
People are doing something to change weather, but not in the long run. When people are gone, the ice ages willl return.
--Lee
Yeah, its called haarp. And what proof do you have that we wont have any ice ages? A lot of this global warming BS goes deep. VERY DEEP.
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on November 26, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
Yeah, its called haarp. And what proof do you have that we wont have any ice ages? A lot of this global warming BS goes deep. VERY DEEP.
HAARP is a man-made machine and is
said to be capable of doing lots of damage in the wrong hands. One should be careful when using it.
You misunderstood me?
I said ice ages were going on for a long time and I think I should have at least implied that they will in the future, and I meant this happened ever since mountain ranges had existed for winter snow to pile up on.
Scientists measure the amount of variation in the isotope ratio of atmospheric gases to determine that ice ages had occurred. Research papers have been written to describe the effect.
--Lee
Hi,
This is interesting. An unbiased source from NASA just made a statement that clarifies the situation -->
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8356.msg211280#msg211280 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8356.msg211280#msg211280)
Paul
Quote from: pcjunkie on November 23, 2009, 12:31:27 PM
Yes, and out of millions of gigabytes of data we have just 160 mb od emails and studies..
Cherry picked?
Torrent
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5171206/Hadley_CRU_Files_(FOI2009.zip)
Perhaps it's just a ploy to sell us space heaters.
More like a tactic to sell crap to keep the status quo to the very last drop of oil. The pricks would do it too. Millions starving in every single nation just to keep them in money. They forget though, something very important.
We don't need their money if it has no value.
We don't need their oil if we have no possessions.
We don't need thier energy if we own no heaters, or stoves, or cars.
We don't need them and we don't need McFood.
When they do this, bankrupt us all and attempt to turn us into slaves they will wake up in a very dangerous place. Their mansions are very easy to find and the ammo is made by us..
Quote from: pcjunkie on November 28, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
When they do this, bankrupt us all and attempt to turn us into slaves they will wake up in a very dangerous place. Their mansions are very easy to find and the ammo is made by us..
@all
This is why I started the
I see and economic disaster coming... thread in the "We can't live without the truth" forum.
--Lee
I'm beginning to think that they have the solutions, they just aren't supplying them, and when the time comes, they'll put a meter on that as well.
This is their capitalism, not ours. They've moved on to the controlling of the human perception of free market ( power of the consumer directly tied to lustful orientation and the whimsical nature of want ).
AS Chicken-licken was going one day to the wood, whack! an acorn fell from a tree
on to his head.
"Gracious goodness me!" said Chicken-licken, "the sky must have fallen; I must go
and tell the King."
So Chicken-licken turned back, and met Hen-len. "Well, Hen-len, where are you
going ?" said he. "I'm going to the wood," said she.
"Oh, Hen-len, don't go!" said he, "for as I was going the sky fell on to my head, and
I'm going to tell the King."
So Hen-len turned back with Chicken-licken, and met Cock-lock.
"I'm going to the wood," said he.
Then Hen-len said:' "Oh Cock-lock, don't go, for I was going, and I met Chicken-licken, and Chicken-licken had been at the wood, and the sky had fallen on to his head, and we are going to tell the King."
So Cock-lock turned back, and they met Duck-luck. "
Well, Duck-luck, where are you going?"
And Duck-luck said: "I'm going to the wood."
Then Cock-lock said: "Oh! Duck-luck, don't go, for I was going, and I met Hen-len,
and Hen-len met Chicken-licken, and Chicken-licken had been at the wood, and the
sky had fallen on to his head, and we are going to tell the King." So Duck-luck turned
back,and met Drake-lake.
"Well, Drake-lake, where are you going?"
And Drake-lake said: "I'm going to the wood."
Then Duck-luck said: "Oh! Drake-lake, don't go, for I was going, and I met Cock-lock, and Cock-lock met Hen-len, and Hen-len met Chicken-licken, and Chicken-licken
had been at the wood, and the sky had fallen on to his head, and, we are going to tell
the King."
So Drake-lake turned back, and met Goose-loose. "Well, Goose-loose, where are
you going?" And Goose-loose said: "I'm going to the wood."
Then Drake-lake said: "Oh, Goose-loose, don't go, for I was going, and I met Duck-
luck, and Duck-luck met Cock-lock, and Cock-lock met Hen-len, and Hen-len met
Chicken-licken, and Chicken-licken had been at the wood, and the sky had fallen on to
his head, and we are going to tell the King." So Goose-loose turned back, and met
Gander-lander.
"Well, Gander-lander, where are you going ?"
And Gander-lander said: "I'm going to the wood."
Then Goose-loose said: "Oh! Gander-lander, don't go, for I was going, and I met
Drake-lake, and Drake-lake met Duck-luck, and Duck-luck met Cock-lock, and Cock-
lock met Hen-len, and Hen-len met Chicken-licken, and Chicken-licken had been at the
wood, and the sky had fallen on to his head, and we are going to tell the King."
So Gander-lander turned back, and met Turkey-lurkey.
"Well, Turkey-lurkey, where are you going?"
And Turkey-lurkey said: "I'm going to the wood."
Then Gander-dander said: "Oh! Turkey-lurkey, don't go, for I was going, and I met
Goose-loose, and Goose-loose met Drake-lake, and Drake-lake met Duck-luck, and
Duck-luck met Cock-lock, and Cock-lock met Hen-len, and Hen-len met Chicken-licken,
and Chicken-licken had been at the wood, and the sky had fallen on to his head, and
we are going to tell the King."
So Turkey-lurkey turned back, and walked wiith Gander-lander, Goose-loose, Drake-
lake, Duck-luck, Cock-lock, Hen-len, and Chicken-licken. And as they were going along, they met Fox-lox. And Fox-lox said:
"Where are you going ?"
And they said: "Chicken-licken went to the wood, and the sky fell on to his head, and
we are going to tell the King."
And Fox-lox said: "Come along with me, and I will show you the way." But Fox-lox took them into the fox's hole, and he and his young ones soon ate up poor Chicken-licken, Hen-len, Cock-lock, Duck-luck, Drake-lake, Goose-loose,' Ganderdander, and Turkey-lurkey; and they never saw the King to tell him that the sky had fallen.
weather symptoms of greenhouse warming would be hurricanes and tornado's, there would be a change in such related storms due to the energy they get from trapped or rising heat vs. cold currents.
the Ice caps would slowly dissolve away but probably not in entirely.
what would happen if the ice caps melted, well we know the ocean table would rise 'very slowly' over time. not to catastrophic.
what benefit would result from having no cold wind currents coming from the north ice caps, if there was no cold currents rushing over the Rockies and trading places from the southern warm air then we wouldn't get any tornado's or at least they would become rare or lack energy to be harmful. same goes with hurricanes, warm moister replacing cold moister storing energy until it becomes a major vortex storm. take either one away and it becomes just a normal storm.
I think you should be more afraid of the Greenhouse gas itself rather than the trapping of heat. for instance, sulphur hexafluoride is a 'Super' greenhouse gas, not to safe to breath in my opinion. but it makes it difficult to monitor what other countries are putting into the air without anyone elses knowledge.
Doesn't salt lower the temperature of melted ice below that of it's normal freezing temperature? ...doesn't salt melt ice? ... don't we have an atmospheric vs oceanic temperature issue.
Doesn't the temperature of deep sea water stay virtually the same year round!?
Sea water's temperature varies the greatest in the first 1000 feet of depth, the average depth of the ocean is 12,000ft ... so 11/12ths of the ocean is sitting at 4 degrees centigrade, and at it's densest.
This may or may not be of interest, but the atmosphere warming is the issue, not the water, so long as there are deep oceans, the general temperature of earth will remain steady, it's the atmosphere that's at issue.
shutdown of thermohaline circulation would stop the ice caps from melting, ultimately they would reform.
@Mannix
With respect to Reply #17, I never heard the end of the Chicken-licken/Chicken Little story, but I see a "moral of the story". ::) :-\
Nothing can ultimately be done to stop impending ice ages. Particularly in our lifetime. :-\ ;) 8)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 29, 2009, 07:00:18 PM
@Mannix
With respect to Reply #17, I never heard the end of the Chicken-licken/Chicken Little story, but I see a "moral of the story". ::) :-\
Nothing can ultimately be done to stop impending ice ages. Particularly in our lifetime. :-\ ;) 8)
True perhaps but they don't just happen because they feel like it. Something causes it or prevents it and we are learning. So far the science states what the influences are and how it can be avoided. Would you stand under a bridge if someone told you that it could collapse?
Quote from: pcjunkie on November 30, 2009, 12:08:28 AM
True perhaps but they don't just happen because they feel like it. Something causes it or prevents it and we are learning. So far the science states what the influences are and how it can be avoided.
It was stated elsewhere on this OU.com site: Without both the water vapor and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, we would all freeze---and these are in flux all the time.
Ice ages occurred regularly in the past and the moon is said to be partly responsible. Its orbit affects the balance and rotation of the Earth, so scientists say.
But, you're right, in that regard, if that was your precise point.
--Lee