you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with money.
money is their favorite control-method.
and their kind mastered it thousands of years ago.
(the debt-based economic enslavement system that we live under today,
has been around since the babylonian civilization)
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with physical conflict.
physical conflict has been their world-wide-war cash cow,
for as long as money has been their control method.
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with laws.
they will simply twist the legal system.
and go on doing what they have been doing.
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with politics.
politics is the industrial waste,
of societies combined drama-mills.
and is the biggest source of misery, of them all.
the illuminati can exist,
due to scarcity of resources.
so we must have technology and efficiency,
so there is no scarcity.
the illuminati can exist,
due to placing value on money,
instead of on resources and services.
so we must place value on resources and services,
and NEVER on money.
the illuminati can exist,
if the population surrenders their authority,
to someone other than them self.
so the population must NEVER surrender their authority,
to someone other than them self.
they may "agree" with what someone else says.
but they must NEVER make someone else their leader.
their decision maker.
their king.
their god-like figure, who is wearing the funny hat on his head.
but most important of all.
the main reason why we have found ourselves stuck,
on this vicious economic slavery plantation of hopelessness,
is because we believe we cannot break free from it.
that no matter what we do,
this environment will refuse to change.
because as long as we believe in it,
than it will stay like it is.
forever.
until we no longer believe in it !
so no matter what else we do,
we must BELIEVE that the world is a paradise.
because if most of the people of the world believed in paradise,
than paradise is what the world would become.
because manifestation is real.
and what you think about, is what you create.
Hi nitinnun.
can you tell us a little more about yourself, what country or providence do you reside and stuff like that?
It is not the Illuminati that is bad, it is the person wielding it that can be bad.
it is like making a psychotic serial killer a pope or an Imam and no one is the wiser, same with any cult.
sometimes anti-cult leaders can be just as bad.
Jerry ;)
For people who have a reputation for being selfish and greedy; not having any mechanism by which to satisfy that greed may be the cure.
You claim they want money and power, if there is no such thing, or it is superficial, than so too is their being a threat.
Our constitution is supposed to protect us from certain things, but it also empowers us the right to certain pursuits. Ambiguous as it may be, it's both their strength and weakness, ours as well.
Having these feelings, I share sentiments with the above poster ( posted thought ), in that, it's the prime leadership that's the issue. We're under the impression that our leadership may have something to do with this - I have different ideas.
If they are the evil, so claimed by so many, then they are cowards as well. It's the actions of arrogance, self righteousness and ignorance which will expose them. They will ultimately be the downfall of themselves.
We should be more worried about the cleanup than the take down. This was a mistake nations have made in the Iraq and Afghanistan efforts.
People who provide valid and non exclusive solutions will be looked upon with favor in the future - I have to have this faith.
Ignorance is a war on the Saints. Declare a war on ignorance, but please, do use discretion.
any cult and or anti-cult is like a gun, it is not the gun that is dangerous, it is the person wielding it that makes it dangerous.(fact).
beware, countries that say death to America or to any other country also use the internet and they will use it for their propaganda mentally and physically as a weapon or tool to amplify their effects.
this is the reason I try to be careful about exposing advanced technology, they will try to use it to suit their own aspects of life. that can be inherently dangerous for the rest of the world.
I love the internet but there are a lot of creepy people out there that shouldn't have the specific kinds of knowledge.
now you know why national security was installed.
without national security you would be ruled by a psychopath not namely from your own country so to speak.
nobodies national security is perfect so we all have to be careful in protecting our own countries against such dangerous idealist.
sometimes a psychopath is born with a higher IQ than you! and not specifically from the same country.
@nittin
I don't like the illuminati and the various other organizations but they are
a necessary evil.
I take my lessons from nature. The laws of nature are designed by the creator of the universe (GOD) and can not be broken.
You look at a forest fire or a pack of wolves or any other such things.
They are not pleasant but serve a purpose.
We are going to see the Illuminati first destroy the sheaple and then itself.
Scary times ahead but necessary.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 17, 2009, 05:54:41 AM
beware, countries that say death to America or to any other country also use the internet and they will use it for their propaganda mentally and physically as a weapon or tool to amplify their effects.
this is the reason I try to be careful about exposing advanced technology, they will try to use it to suit their own aspects of life. that can be inherently dangerous for the rest of the world.
I love the internet but there are a lot of creepy people out there that shouldn't have the specific kinds of knowledge.
now you know why national security was installed.
without national security you would be ruled by a psychopath not namely from your own country so to speak.
nobodies national security is perfect so we all have to be careful in protecting our own countries against such dangerous idealist.
sometimes a psychopath is born with a higher IQ than you! and not specifically from the same country.
And we are not already ruled by psychopaths? with a 'National Security' envelope protecting them, enforcing everything they do? Yes, they have high IQs! but intelligence does not make them wise. Their intelligence is the cunning of the fox guarding the chicken-coop. These people don't have allegiance to any country, although they always pretend to be acting our best interests, whether it be nationally or globally.
Quote from: silverfish on December 17, 2009, 11:20:28 AM
And we are not already ruled by psychopaths? with a 'National Security' envelope protecting them, enforcing everything they do? Yes, they have high IQs! but intelligence does not make them wise. Their intelligence is the cunning of the fox guarding the chicken-coop. These people don't have allegiance to any country, although they always pretend to be acting our best interests, whether it be nationally or globally.
there is a reason why a country like Iran's political drive like to 'chant' Death to America, Death to America, Death to America.
these are people being perswayed by chanting death! I have done nothing to Iran so why are they chanting death to America, they televise it so the entire world might follow their chanting.
the Illuminati, trivial, why don't you join the Illuminati and find out what is really going on.
chanting is a form of disciplinary brainwashing. it is like a teacher making you write on the chalk board, I will not like America, I will not like America, I will not like America!
I have done nothing to the people of Iran yet, their political system calls me an enemy, not a strange man with kindness of heart but a damn enemy, I don't feel comfortable with that.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 17, 2009, 01:23:48 PM
there is a reason why a country like Iran's political drive like to 'chant' Death to America, Death to America, Death to America.
these are people being perswayed by chanting death! I have done nothing to Iran so why are they chanting death to America, they televise it so the entire world might follow their chanting.
the Illuminati, trivial, why don't you join the Illuminati and find out what is really going on.
Trivial? OK, join them yourself. Yes, I am interested in what is going on - divide and rule. Focus on an external 'enemy' to distract us. Doesn't matter if the enemy, like Bin Laden, died years ago. Doesn't matter if we have hi-tech spy satellite technology capable of enlarging a pimple on his backside - instead keep us focused on Islamic terrorists, funded and trained by the Pakistani ISI, (in bed with the CIA). Iran's so-called nuclear weapons program, we are constantly being told is a threat.
'Swine flu', which shows clear evidence of being manufactured, in a lab, is a threat.
So we must be injected with vaccines which poison, degrade our immune systems, adjuvants which paralyse us with auto-immune diseases like lupus, guillen-barre syndrome, while pharmaceutical companies increase their profits by billions of dollars.
Co2, your outward breath, which plants ingest to create life-giving oxygen, which has been with us for thousands of years, is now a threat. So we will now have to pay an unelected bureaucracy, an emerging world government, new taxes for breathing - based on so-called 'science' which is every day being exposed as a criminal fraud.
We are always being told someone, something, or some group is a threat, doesn't matter if this is a complete lie, we still believe it, because the New York Times tells us, so it must be true. What's next? if people are told that oxygen is the new threat, they will believe it. If they are told that they can only have one child because this will save the planet, they will believe it.
Where does this end? when we stop uncritically accepting what we are told, and start making an effort to find out the truth.
Quote from: silverfish on December 17, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Trivial? OK, join them yourself. Yes, I am interested in what is going on - divide and rule. Focus on an external 'enemy' to distract us. Doesn't matter if the enemy, like Bin Laden, died years ago. Doesn't matter if we have hi-tech spy satellite technology capable of enlarging a pimple on his backside - instead keep us focused on Islamic terrorists, funded and trained by the Pakistani ISI, (in bed with the CIA). Iran's so-called nuclear weapons program, we are constantly being told is a threat.
'Swine flu', which shows clear evidence of being manufactured, in a lab, is a threat.
So we must be injected with vaccines which poison, degrade our immune systems, adjuvants which paralyse us with auto-immune diseases like lupus, guillen-barre syndrome, while pharmaceutical companies increase their profits by billions of dollars.
Co2, your outward breath, which plants ingest to create life-giving oxygen, which has been with us for thousands of years, is now a threat. So we will now have to pay an unelected bureaucracy, an emerging world government, new taxes for breathing - based on so-called 'science' which is every day being exposed as a criminal fraud.
We are always being told someone, something, or some group is a threat, doesn't matter if this is a complete lie, we still believe it, because the New York Times tells us, so it must be true. What's next? if people are told that oxygen is the new threat, they will believe it. If they are told that they can only have one child because this will save the planet, they will believe it.
Where does this end? when we stop uncritically accepting what we are told, and start making an effort to find out the truth.
Hi Silverfish.
I have members in my family that are Illuminati and Masons, they are just like everyone else I know in my family, they are good folks.
like I said, it is not the cult that is bad, it is the one wielding it that can be bad.
I myself belong to no cults although I study about all cults, I think the KKK is the worst of the bunch. there is a bunch of bad apples in that bunch. a rascist magnet who teach it to their kids.
real shame.
I do fear violence is the most effective way. But not like revolt or war, snipers. Howeverm unless we somehow get a reliable memberlist, it would become a witch hunt. Better not look suspicious to anyone...
Central banks need to come into elected government's control again. No more help for broke little banks. Savings accounts are so 2007.
my passed away father in-law was Illuminati and a retired minister of 30 years, he was one of the best people anyone could ever meet, he would give you a car if you needed it, he was also a Mason, he looked out for everyone that he knew.
I don't know why there is so much negativity on Illuminati, they are just ordinary folks, well most of them, some can be kooky but I think they suffer from mental illnesses but so do a lot of regular people.
in fact, since I know quite a few Illuminati I actually find it sort of insulting to hear people talk about it in a negative manner because you have not taken the time to meet some of them and make new friends.
you would actually change your mind once you realize they are not entirely bad people. don't believe all the rhetoric you hear about Illuminati, go find out for yourself, to much hype going around.
@ Onthecuttingedge2000 ; I am genuinely curious about your statements. You kinda make it sound like the Illuminati are a real and open club or organization, like the Masons or "Fraternal Order of Moose", or maybe more like a political Party or religion. I mean, do they actually admit to being a group, and use that name?
Lol, do they get monthly Newsletters and have to pay yearly Dues (just kidding).
Seriously, i wonder if you were characterizing your father in law as one because of the popular "urban legend" description (with him having a career in Government), or because there is something more behind it.
Thanks.
Quote from: nitinnun on December 17, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with money.
money is their favorite control-method.
and their kind mastered it thousands of years ago.
(the debt-based economic enslavement system that we live under today,
has been around since the babylonian civilization)
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with physical conflict.
physical conflict has been their world-wide-war cash cow,
for as long as money has been their control method.
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with laws.
they will simply twist the legal system.
and go on doing what they have been doing.
you are not supposed to defeat the illuminati, with politics.
politics is the industrial waste,
of societies combined drama-mills.
and is the biggest source of misery, of them all.
the illuminati can exist,
due to scarcity of resources.
so we must have technology and efficiency,
so there is no scarcity.
the illuminati can exist,
due to placing value on money,
instead of on resources and services.
so we must place value on resources and services,
and NEVER on money.
the illuminati can exist,
if the population surrenders their authority,
to someone other than them self.
so the population must NEVER surrender their authority,
to someone other than them self.
they may "agree" with what someone else says.
but they must NEVER make someone else their leader.
their decision maker.
their king.
their god-like figure, who is wearing the funny hat on his head.
but most important of all.
the main reason why we have found ourselves stuck,
on this vicious economic slavery plantation of hopelessness,
is because we believe we cannot break free from it.
that no matter what we do,
this environment will refuse to change.
because as long as we believe in it,
than it will stay like it is.
forever.
until we no longer believe in it !
so no matter what else we do,
we must BELIEVE that the world is a paradise.
because if most of the people of the world believed in paradise,
than paradise is what the world would become.
because manifestation is real.
and what you think about, is what you create.
Spot on! this is a great post. The Illuminati think they are illuminated -they are the sons and daughters of darkness. What does darkness fear? light, exposure. How do they maintain their power, which we give to them every day? through deception. They work in the shadows. What's the solution? Cast more light. More light on ourselves, more light on the global situation, more light on everything -and there's always more to 'uncover' - whether it be alternative technology, alternative society, alternative financial systems -alternative realities - or the unbelievable scams that these guys constantly perpetrate, right in our faces - we are creators, yet indebted and increasingly enslaved to, those that wish to degrade
this fair planet and turn it into their own personal fiefdom, convincing us that it's all for own good, while they suck our lifeblood like the parasites that they truly are.
WE are the illuminated ones - we just haven't recognised it yet.
cutting edge.
the amount of clumbsy,
trivial words in your posts,
greatly exceed the constructive potential of your posts.
by a ratio of at least 5 to 1.
in other words,
you need to say useful things more,
and talk out your ass less.
until you can improve the meaningfulness of your posts,
and manage to not harm my meaning in the process,
i have little interest in responding to you.
let alone give you information,
that makes it easier for you,
to find my current location in the world.
Quote from: nitinnun on December 19, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
cutting edge.
the amount of clumbsy,
trivial words in your posts,
greatly exceed the constructive potential of your posts.
by a ratio of at least 5 to 1.
in other words,
you need to say useful things more,
and talk out your ass less.
until you can improve the meaningfulness of your posts,
and manage to not harm my meaning in the process,
i have little interest in responding to you.
let alone give you information,
that makes it easier for you,
to find my current location in the world.
but nitinnun, you don't know anything factual about the Illuminati, I do, I have family members that have been in and currently still in the Illuminati and the freemasons. most of them are heavily church going citizens and are kind hearted people.
your evil interpretation of the Illuminati in general is false, I don't wish to discuss this anymore because it's like talking to a brick wall.
good day.
@onthecuttingedge:
If you, yourself, repeatedly insist on bringing up the subject of your own family members being members of the "Illuminati", then it is illogical to demand that it be not commented on.
Please explain your reasoning, and evidence if possible, that your Father In Law was an actual member of the "Illuminati"; and how you are so sure such an organization actually exists... I think many of us here would be genuinely curious and willing to consider your comments on this subject objectively.
Because for hundreds of years there has been NO EVIDENCE that such an "club" or group still actually exists (and having such evidence could prove "useful" to some conspiracy site owners i know of, lol), although historically there seems to be evidence that it once did, centuries ago.
Now that is not saying that "Illuminati-like" organizations, and conspiracies concerning them, do not in fact exist... only that trying to convince us that you DEFINITELY KNOW ABOUT these things that are usually termed "urban legend", is quite strange and demands explanation (...if you expect anyone to believe you at least).
Frankly, i suspect you are simply extrapolating and exaggerating a bit based on the common perceptions of the "legend", but please educate us if i am "wrong" here. Because if you were "initiated" into such a secret organization yourself, it is highly unlikely that you would go around posting little tidbits about it publicly in the first place.
And it is clear that the "Illuminati" are either a "secret" order, or a "non-existent" one. And being a government functionary/minister would not be automatic proof of "membership" (..nor would being a Mason, evidence shows that most Masons would have no idea about what MAY ALLEGEDLY be going on behind the scenes with that organization); as there are millions in these categories all over the world, and it is extremely unlikely they are all in on some giant secret conspiracy... And if these secret groups DO exist, and/or have a secret agenda, then that IS a "conspiracy", no matter what the actual aim may be.
I've known wealthy & important people, and several government functionaries as well; and although some may have had shady dealings with local real estate developers, and "accidentally" met for breakfast with building contractors to fix bids and receive kick-backs, or leaned-on the local Zoning Commission to gain a little help for their "friends" who wanted to "steal" and develop land that legally belonged to others'... Or dropped $10,000 into a Senator's Reelection Campaign to get "a special favor" done for their corporation regarding taxes, or played Golf with a Judge and got a Environmental Pollution Violation Case dropped, or who somehow ended-up with the entire multi-million dollar Estate of a dead Client after having it locked-up in Probate Court for years... i am convinced these people have nothing at all to do with bringing in a "New World Order". But their personal greed and corruption was quite enough to damn them anyway lol ;)
It doesn't take secret organizations and conspiracies to bring down the world; only enough individuals in positions of power and influence that are "independently" corrupt and only loosely associated to cover each others' backsides as a common defense mechanism.
I think that when we concentrate on the conspiracy agendas, we often forget that this VERY REAL faction of corruption is all over the world, doing crimes individually on a "small scale", that add up collectively to be huge.
Perhaps the "reality" here is not "Black and White" but a varied mix of both... The world really does come in "256 shades of gray".
it is clear to me,
that at least 75% of this planets problems,
have been intentionally caused by someone.
with greed being the primary motive.
and control freakery being a close second.
i label them "the illuminati",
for the sake of convenience.
because the people responsible for this mess,
are too smart,
to allow ANY label to stick to them.
because they know that a nameless man,
is extremely difficult find,
identify,
and dispose of.
and if they hide well enough,
and keep the population ignorant enough,
than most people won't even comprehend or entertain,
that the culprit even exists.
so they do their absolute best,
to remain nameless.
"the illuminati",
is anyone who harms the worlds well being,
for selfish reasons.
and you can expect most of them to put on a "good" face.
because the only ones of them who survive in their circles for very long,
are the ones who know how to show others what they want to see.
judging from dull edges lack of intelligence,
and his general obtuseness,
it is highly unlikely that he has direct involvement with the illuminati.
because they have no use for such a person.
except as either a cheerleading pawn,
or as a convenient scape goat.
not that i'm happy with ANYONE,
who's brain gets so stuck on MINOR details,
that they cannot see the very important larger picture.
A film featuring at least one Illuminati ( towards the end )
"We feed the world" Staring the CEO of Nestle.
It is a German/Swiss film with English subtitles.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7347781662202912302&ei=4NMuS9aGLIvM-Aafip3mAw&q=we+feed+the+world#
Quote from: nitinnun on December 20, 2009, 07:37:34 PM
it is clear to me,
that at least 75% of this planets problems,
have been intentionally caused by someone.
with greed being the primary motive.
and control freakery being a close second.
i label them "the illuminati",
for the sake of convenience.
because the people responsible for this mess,
are too smart,
to allow ANY label to stick to them.
because they know that a nameless man,
is extremely difficult find,
identify,
and dispose of.
and if they hide well enough,
and keep the population ignorant enough,
than most people won't even comprehend or entertain,
that the culprit even exists.
so they do their absolute best,
to remain nameless.
"the illuminati",
is anyone who harms the worlds well being,
for selfish reasons.
and you can expect most of them to put on a "good" face.
because the only ones of them who survive in their circles for very long,
are the ones who know how to show others what they want to see.
very well put, man
very accurate and in accordance with the hidden reality
what youve said is pure logic
true power-real power -the best power must be silent and hidden
Quote from: nitinnun on December 17, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
so no matter what else we do,
we must BELIEVE that the world is a paradise.
because if most of the people of the world believed in paradise,
than paradise is what the world would become.
because manifestation is real.
and what you think about, is what you create.
And maybe if I click my heels together three times...
Quote from: jibbguy on December 20, 2009, 03:03:15 PM
@onthecuttingedge:
If you, yourself, repeatedly insist on bringing up the subject of your own family members being members of the "Illuminati", then it is illogical to demand that it be not commented on.
Please explain your reasoning, and evidence if possible, that your Father In Law was an actual member of the "Illuminati"; and how you are so sure such an organization actually exists... I think many of us here would be genuinely curious and willing to consider your comments on this subject objectively.
Because for hundreds of years there has been NO EVIDENCE that such an "club" or group still actually exists (and having such evidence could prove "useful" to some conspiracy site owners i know of, lol), although historically there seems to be evidence that it once did, centuries ago.
Now that is not saying that "Illuminati-like" organizations, and conspiracies concerning them, do not in fact exist... only that trying to convince us that you DEFINITELY KNOW ABOUT these things that are usually termed "urban legend", is quite strange and demands explanation (...if you expect anyone to believe you at least).
Frankly, i suspect you are simply extrapolating and exaggerating a bit based on the common perceptions of the "legend", but please educate us if i am "wrong" here. Because if you were "initiated" into such a secret organization yourself, it is highly unlikely that you would go around posting little tidbits about it publicly in the first place.
And it is clear that the "Illuminati" are either a "secret" order, or a "non-existent" one. And being a government functionary/minister would not be automatic proof of "membership" (..nor would being a Mason, evidence shows that most Masons would have no idea about what MAY ALLEGEDLY be going on behind the scenes with that organization); as there are millions in these categories all over the world, and it is extremely unlikely they are all in on some giant secret conspiracy... And if these secret groups DO exist, and/or have a secret agenda, then that IS a "conspiracy", no matter what the actual aim may be.
I've known wealthy & important people, and several government functionaries as well; and although some may have had shady dealings with local real estate developers, and "accidentally" met for breakfast with building contractors to fix bids and receive kick-backs, or leaned-on the local Zoning Commission to gain a little help for their "friends" who wanted to "steal" and develop land that legally belonged to others'... Or dropped $10,000 into a Senator's Reelection Campaign to get "a special favor" done for their corporation regarding taxes, or played Golf with a Judge and got a Environmental Pollution Violation Case dropped, or who somehow ended-up with the entire multi-million dollar Estate of a dead Client after having it locked-up in Probate Court for years... i am convinced these people have nothing at all to do with bringing in a "New World Order". But their personal greed and corruption was quite enough to damn them anyway lol ;)
It doesn't take secret organizations and conspiracies to bring down the world; only enough individuals in positions of power and influence that are "independently" corrupt and only loosely associated to cover each others' backsides as a common defense mechanism.
I think that when we concentrate on the conspiracy agendas, we often forget that this VERY REAL faction of corruption is all over the world, doing crimes individually on a "small scale", that add up collectively to be huge.
Perhaps the "reality" here is not "Black and White" but a varied mix of both... The world really does come in "256 shades of gray".
Some good points here, and the last one, 'shades of gray' sums up a great deal about the world and the way we perceive it, because we are constantly told to see things in terms of 'ether this or that'. The Illuminati
was founded by a defrocked priest named Adam Weishaupt. This we know. What is less talked about is his meeting with a man called Amschel Mayer Rothschild, and the 'agreement' that ensued.
The name 'Illuminati' is perhaps a misnomer because these people hide behind many names and organizations. Let's dispense with that and call them 'the dark side' if it makes you feel more comfortable.
The principle is this: there is an 'elite' who use revolutions, fund both sides in wars, and initiate financial crashes to 'remould' society in the order they see fit. It is they who control secret societies like the Masons from the top down. It is they who compartmentalise these groups so that the 'minions' can't see the larger picture, just as intelligence agencies around the world are connected at the top in a pyramidal control structure.
We are taught to believe by the mainstream media and Hollywood that this is a 'conspiracy theory', and that those who subscribe to such beliefs are kooks and weirdos. In the film conspiracy theory, Mel Gibson was painted as a well-meaning paranoid nutball who kept his coffee in a padlocked metal container.
The problem is that there are real conspiracies. No amount of propaganda is going to 'undo' this reality, since the evidence is plain for anyone who bothers to do the research.
The idea is to keep us thinking that world events happen in isolation, and that there is no coordination behind it, no organization. But there is. What we now see emerging is the plan for a world government, a global carbon tax - based on 'science' that is increasingly being exposed as fraudulent. You have the irony of Obama returning from the Copenhagen summit to 14 inches of snow in Washington - snowplows cleared his path home. Here in the UK we've had snow and temperatures which range from 0-3 degrees celcius. It's become a rarity to experience snow before Christmas, yet we've had it. In northern France there were 8 inches of snow, and 4 Eurostar trains were shut down in the tunnel, stranding hundreds of passengers. We can certainly expect more cold weather ahead - check out the European section of accuweather.com to see how not every accredited scientist agrees with the Met office and their suspect statements -wattsupwiththat.com for another non politically-correct point of view.
The problem is that we've been taught to see things in isolation. The larger view is either not talked about, or the very idea that such larger patterns exist, is discredited. The same with corruption. When torture was exposed in Abu Graib, it was described as 'a few bad apples'. When Climategate was exposed, it was 'a few bad apples'
It is not 'a few bad apples' - the whole system is wrotten and corrupt, and it is reinforcing the control of the few over the many. This will go on, until we understand that we do not live in a democracy - we live in a hierarchical control system. This is a coorporatocracy. The coorporations control governments - and who controls the coorporations? Do your research, and you will discover the truth.
Quote from: nitinnun on December 17, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
so no matter what else we do,
we must BELIEVE that the world is a paradise.
because if most of the people of the world believed in paradise,
than paradise is what the world would become.
because manifestation is real.
and what you think about, is what you create.
@All + nittin
This is flawed teaching because if you accept what there is and shut your eye to injustices of the world, the same will be dished out to you the next time round. We guide creation with what is resonating with our feelings and actions so, if ignoring the negative is one of those, ignorance will manifest.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on December 21, 2009, 09:21:57 AM
@All + nittin
This is flawed teaching because if you accept what there is and shut your eye to injustices of the world, the same will be dished out to you the next time round. We guide creation with what is resonating with our feelings and actions so, if ignoring the negative is one of those, ignorance will manifest.
This is difficult to deny - because it's the truth. Did Nittinun say that you should ignore the truth, and the dark side? I don't think he did. Greetings from heavily snowing London...
so no matter what else we do,
we must BELIEVE that the world is a paradise. (quote from nit)
this is ridiculous
try preaching that sermon to the starving/malnourished in africa india s america etc
id say 2 billion at least
i met a burmese doctor in thailand and i asked him
are the burmese happy?
no he said
were you happy when you were there?
no he said
your friends and family?
no
do you know ANYBODY thats happy in burma?
yes only the people in power
from all reports ive got the same is true in bangladesh
n korea
a man in deep debt cannot be happy no matter he chants this is paradise
10 000 times a day
a man pulling 3 persons in rickshaw in middle of calcutta in the heat is the same
ask any sick person to believe this is paradise........
its very easy for a man with good amount in bank account to say
money is nothing
there are many hellish conditions in operation
Positive thought and positive intention will bring about the desired change...as long as a goodly number of people think that way the intended outcome will manifest.
I believe that is what 'nit' was saying.
Regards...
well,capz
its just that i get slightly worked up when people say
if all/most of the people stopped being selfish
or
adhered to the 5 precepts(not killing lying stealing sexual misconduct intoxication
or
practiced mindfullness and wisdom etc
the world would cease to have problems and everybody will be happy
in my opinion, any kind of great change of mind/attitude/intention/behavior
demands right supporting conditions, the right teachings, discipline and well ordered life
it is not easy. pretty tall order id say
even monks, meditators, people devoted to great internal change spend 20-60 YEARS
striving can only get so far
but for the average person....
Quote from: jikwan on December 21, 2009, 11:41:19 AM
well,capz
its just that i get slightly worked up when people say
if all/most of the people stopped being selfish
or
adhered to the 5 precepts(not killing lying stealing sexual misconduct intoxication
or
practiced mindfullness and wisdom etc
the world would cease to have problems and everybody will be happy
in my opinion, any kind of great change of mind/attitude/intention/behavior
demands right supporting conditions, the right teachings, discipline and well ordered life
it is not easy. pretty tall order id say
even monks, meditators, people devoted to great internal change spend 20-60 YEARS
striving can only get so far
but for the average person....
I'm not 'perfect'. I'm guilty of almost everything you mention here, except killing people, for which you need a psychopathic mentality, which I lack. 60 years meditation is not necessary, by the way. one moment is sufficient. But what I do recognise is that this psychopathic mentality runs the world, and we need to recognise what is happening, and stop it, now.
the 'average' person is.., who? do you consider yourself average?
Here's a great report on the age old dilemma of selfishness evolving toward cooperation:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3494530275568693212&q=nice+guys&ei=4oGCSIC5PJOuwgO4uqHFBw
If you really want to know about the Illuminati then go join up with the freemasons, there really is no difference.
you might even find some of your local friends and or family there, the majority of Freemasons are very outgoing people and go to church on a regular basis, some in the bible belt are bible thumpers and Evangelists.
I am referring to modern Illuminati and Freemasons not ancient times which is just a history lesson to learn from.
Illuminati and freemasons get bad reputations when bad apples get into the bunch and corrupt their order.
a lot of individuals in your community or on the community boards and meetings might well be freemasons and or Illuminati, City planners and or top officials. it does not make them bad people.
it is the bad apple that can ruin it for everybody. now that would be on the dark side of things if you belong to a corrupted lodge order, sometimes devil worshippers start their own Lodge order which gives the good lodge orders a bad rap.
I mean, it is really simple, go to your local mason hall for a couple of days and see for yourself what it is really like to be a member of such lodge orders, there's no devil worshipping going on and you won't see that unless you are in a corrupted order.
Corruption is a 'Human trait' and not an Illuminati or freemason trait. corruption can even happen in your local church just as much, look at Waco and some other sects.
the media likes to corrupt images of Illuminati or free masons because its a money maker and doesn't mean there is any truth behind it.
join up with your community and join the freemasons, it's just like a social town meeting were lots of things are discussed, reviewed, and it really isn't to much difference than joining any other social lodge.
find out the truth for yourself in person and then come back and tell us your experiences away from what you were taught about these people.
Jerry :)
cisco,
looks like a good vid there
must give it attention, i love the way he puts it across
s fish,
its true, just one moment of practice gives results-a result
one moment of awareness stops the mad mind-for a moment. or two
it is next to nothing
i thought the objective were after is a good mind, well intentioned
not merely thinking but speaking, writing and acting with this 'good' mind
every day, every week-most of the time
do you think it possible for a person to have 5 seriously good intentions in one week?
and have 95 bad intentions in the same week?
its a mess
am i the average?
no--spent decades in monasteries/forests/caves/med.centres
and after all of that im still nothing special
after a few minutes of thought ive changed my mind
i AM something special
due to my hard work and time spent......i have completely desroyed
the tip of the iceberg
Each individual is the sum of their thoughts.
Thoughts have energy...are are very powerful when combined with other similar ones.
Which is why our media is filled with all kinds of fear based and negative 'programming'...with programming being the operative word.
Without a populace in a negative frame of mind, these false premise wars would not be deemed an acceptable substitute for positive dialogue.
The Masons like the church hide their ill agenda's from the regular members, who provide a positive public facade.
The 11th letter of the alphabet is 'K'...three X 11 = 33
KKK = Klu Klux Klan
Coincidence ?
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 21, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Each individual is the sum of their thoughts.
Thoughts have energy...are are very powerful when combined with other similar ones.
Which is why our media is filled with all kinds of fear based and negative 'programming'...with programming being the operative word.
Without a populace in a negative frame of mind, these false premise wars would not be deemed an acceptable substitute for positive dialogue.
The Masons like the church hide their ill agenda's from the regular members, who provide a positive public facade.
The 11th letter of the alphabet is 'K'...three X 11 = 33
KKK = Klu Klux Klan
Coincidence ?
Regards...
Hi Cap.
I agree with the upper portion of what you are saying.
but.
I live in a small town and half the people in my town are freemasons, I am honestly going to say there are no people in our community who express racism and if they did would be kicked out, we don't except that kind of mentality in our neighborhood, they would be railroaded out of town.
there are many different types of race and creed in the freemasons.
larger cities might have a diversity of racism but that is mostly taught by their parents at an early age, I am a German American and I can say I hate racism. I have friends from just about every culture.
I think the best thing is to actually experience it for yourself. people mouth off about freemasons or Illuminati and never go there to experience what is really going on behind their doors, anyone that doesn't join up to find out the truth is blind sided.
we have no KKK in our community and if there were they would be hung by the neck on our own Gallows.
as far as coincidence, if I give a hundred monkeys a loaded gun it is bound to be fired off by one of them over time. that's a coincident.
Jerry ;)
hi jerry
i get your point. i dont doubt there are good freemasons/illuminati
its the same in catholic church-there must be a hell of a lot of good catholics
ive met them. so too muslims. some muslims ive met have hearts of gold
but people are not wrong when they point at the evil leaders of these organizations
its your job to educate the ones that brand everyone the same
thankless task
also what about reports of illuminati training where kids are made to strangle
cats and later become assasins. heard of it? does it happen?
Hi edge...my post was not meant to offend anyone.
It is a fact that all secretive organizations recruit fine upstanding people to give them a good public image.
Take the catholic church as a prime example...with a bunch of entitled pedophiles at the top...yey lots of good people still maintain patronage.
The fact that there are Masonic symbols hidden in the layout of Washington DC is a testiment to their scope of influence.
One of the dirtiest RCMP officers I know is a Mason...where he is ranked in the organization I do not know...but pedophelia is considered a pastime in these parts.
Secrecy breeds corruption...its that simple...and history bears that out.
Regards...
Quote from: jikwan on December 21, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
its your job to educate the ones that brand everyone the same
thankless task
also what about reports of Illuminati training where kids are made to strangle
cats and later become assassins. heard of it? does it happen?
something like this is taught by parents, the Illuminati or Free Masons as a Majority are normal people like you and I, we obey the normal rules and compliance of everyday life and morals and the church.
I mean, if you really knew, you would know that most of the majority follows the rules of God and the best welfare of the people. no corruption.
I am also expressing that if you do not share your values then how are we to incorated your values into the lively hood of what is right and wrong to your Morales.
Their is a value, the value is that the majority is right and the minority is slightly wrong, so, it is your God given right that the majority is right which doesn't mean that it is right, it is just a vote to make people feel more at home. either that or we could go back to the stone age..
you could be living in the real world of the Pharaoh, that is ages ago but I don't think you would like it to much. feel lucky that you live in a free America where you will not be killed by not working at all and being lazy. you will just be poor.
cutting edge.
i'm not talking about a bunch of old men who sit at the local pub (free masons).
i'm talking about multi-billionaire,
royal lineage back to the dark ages,
power-mad fools,
who buy and sell peoples existence on a daily basis.
unless half of the people in your small podunk town,
are the above people,
than you have NO IDEA who the elites are.
but i don't have to see one square inch of your local community,
to know that you are a small town dumb***,
with a small time brain.
you have trumpeted your mental stunt-age loud and clear.
i'm feeling vicious,
because i am SICK TO DEATH of your pig-headed insistence,
when you don't even understand my posts !
your insolence is as intolerable as your fubared explanations.
it is not me who fails to understand !
it is YOU who fails to understand !
and as for the KKK.
the KKK is made up of 3 types of people.
1:
people who feel hurt and angry about something that happened in their life.
something that really hurt them.
and bothers them every other day of their life.
and they aren't wise enough,
to find a more constructive outlet,
for their pain and misery.
2:
people who are honestly concerned,
that their branch of humanity is dying out.
(extremely complicated.)
and are worried that if they don't somehow defend their genome,
there will be no genetic future for them on this planet.
3:
some combination of the above.
with ****-bits of other reasons,
sprinkled on top.
i know the above,
because unlike most people,
i want to know why things exist.
so i investigate.
i dare to look at what is right in front of me.
and the above is what i concluded.
the elites want don't want people,
to address each others deeper feelings.
they don't want people to understand each other.
which lead to real answers.
the elites want ignorance and blame.
because both are extremely profitable.
i doubt that cutting edges brain is computing any of this post.
as it hasn't computed any so far.
so maybe i'm just wasting my time even responding......
and THIS is my 666th post.
which means the brow chakra.
which means wisdom.
which means open your freaking brain, and see what is real.
which is why the elites duped christians,
into thinking 666 was evil.
because the brow chakra is only evil,
to the interests of greedy rich-bastard fools.
Hi nitinnun.
look, just because you are a Taiwanese little girl is no reason to take it out on everyone else.
your existences only belongs to your parents. you should be grateful.
being a paranoid schizophrenic Taiwanese is another, you should be ashamed. right?
...After reading these posts, I think it wise to mention the fact that they are letting us destroy ourselves, and it's been quite efficient practice.
Perhaps by NOT participating, they're fulfilling their agenda.