Interrupting the magnet to cause the Steel block to fall experiment, this is for the study of getting a devise to utilize gravity as a mover like on a gravity type wheel.
Jerry 8)
I don't know if everyone is fluent with this concept and I apologize for rushing this image this morning because I had five minutes to construct it before work.
the 'interruption' of a magnetic field may help those who are seeking a gravity assisted type device.
Hello Jerry,
A very interesting,new and novel approach.
A couple of things,if you don't mind.
1. How much force will be needed to remove
Magnetic Shield?
2. Where will the Iron Block fall to?
3. What triggers the removal of MS (1)
Since I really do like the Idea,I will try to answer my questions.
1. Wheel1 made of consecutive Slotted Barriers.
2.Magnet permanently attached to SB(slotted barriers)
3.Wheel2 inside Wheel1,Wheel2 with eccentric orbit,
Wheel2 with same axle as Wheel3,but off center.
4.Wheel2 is rounded ends,triangle shaped,made of
Meta Glass.(or suitable magnetic flow blocker)
5.Wheel2 being of a triangle size that covers 3/4th
(inside area without MS))of inside of Wheel1.
6.Wheel3 being segmented,ie:iron,plastic,iron,plastic
iron,plastic,etc.
7.Wheel3 being very rigid (possibly AL)?so as to run
as close as possible without touching Wheel1 to
prevent killer friction.
Problems:
1a.Wheel1 will have to be constructed in a matter that
Wheel2 can rotate freely inside slotted barriers.I would guess rectangular instead of square slots.
2a.Wheel2 shaped triangular could be incorrect,as
there would be a need for 2-3 Iron Segments.Un-Shielded(gravity=falling) at all times,Wheel3 being prime mover.
3a.Wheel1 will be stationary.
4a.Positive thinking forward,magnet,iron selection.
5a.Consideration given to material of Wheel1,Aluminum may NOT be a good choice.
6a.Every thing posted in my name is open for ANY and ALL readersto change,re-desighn,correct.
7a.Criticism is welcome.I am new here.You are not.
8a.My pen name,Judges,is taken from the KJV.
It could have been Numbers(1 and 2)Deuteronomy or Revelations(although I did stick my thumb between Ruth and Joshia)randomly taken from the Book,to be used here on this forum.
I am not your judge nor have I been a (govt) judge.
Conclusion:
1b.Good idea,cutting edge, w/magnetic shielding,weight of this is not that important.
2b.This (1b,1. and 3a. above) being the stationary, Wheel1
Will have to continue this later.
Wife is calling,priority 1
Joe in Texas
(SHOULD HAVE BEEN EDETIDED)
Jerry,
When choosing one of Metglas's alloys, are we looking for one with the highest incidence of magnetostriction?
I've seen shielding bounced around as an idea on various forums but have no idea as to what would constitute a good magnetic shield.
How would an ideal shield behave as far as reordering the path of magnetic flux?
EDIT:
OK, I looked around a little on Google, looks like it's all about permeability and attenuation - some pretty high-dollar stuff out there for mag shielding!
Tony
Here is another magnetic-shield/gravity drive concept. However, isn't the real problem with these devices that the current magnetic-shields aren't that effective (yet)?
Quote from: truesearch on December 29, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
...isn't the real problem with these devices that the current magnetic-shields aren't that effective (yet)?
There's a lot of guys on the forum that are really up on magnetism (I'm not one of them), I'm sure some of them will help us out with some current info on shielding.
Nor am I one of them.
But it makes me really curious of what this material is and how/why it works.
Guess I will do a little "googeling"
BTW:Do not Google,"speed of electricty" there are a
dozen differen't answers,(:>))
This is a demonstration of how to interfer with a magnetic field to cause an object to fall by gravity, this simple little concept was the preliminary testing for another project I have which is called the broken back balanced lever which I will construct and work any bugs out and then demonstrate the entire principle of a combination magnetic and gravity based system and how it must function. the object I used as a magnetic shield was a pointed steel letter opener that was brass plated, only the very tip was used to interfer with the magnetic field.
My video, sorry about the quality. I will work on that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJ1w2fJojw
more to come.
Jerry ;)
Quote from: truesearch on December 29, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
Here is another magnetic-shield/gravity drive concept. However, isn't the real problem with these devices that the current magnetic-shields aren't that effective (yet)?
Hi truesearch.
good concept but one of those Neo PM's has to be steel or iron, it is easier to interupt the field this way as I demonstated in my video, very little interference is needed. the gap distance is also an important factor.
Have fun!
Jerry ;)
something I was going to build for further testing the concept of my video demonstration.
instead of blocking an attraction, why not try blocking a repel
edit::::
personally i dont think there is a material that can do this, otherwise we would already have OU i believe, so theres 2 magnets in a tube, when the shield is removed, the magnets push against each other and they compress the springs, then when the shield is introduced, the springs push the magnets back together, a piston type more so
it would have been easier to just stack one on the other, but this one has two locations for output
Hi, i'm newbie, and it's my second post in this forum.
What I have to say is that "Interrupting magnetic field to cause Gravity fall" is surely the best approach to build a perpetuum mobile.
I was thinking about this possibility: we can use permanent magnets to make a object (a sphere or something) move upward on a ramp. There are some videos on YouTube that demonstrate that this is possible.
So, we can use permanent magnets to make the object go very very high, and therefore accumulate a lot of gravitational potential energy.
So, the only problem I see in this YouTube videos is that when the object arrives at the last permanent magnet in the higher place, it gets stuck by the magnetic attraction of that last magnet.
Here is my suggestion: and if the last magnet was not a permanent magnet, but an electro-magnet?
If we use a lot of permanent magnets to provide gravitational potential energy to the object and only the LAST magnet was an electro-magnet?
Do you see how it could solve the problem of "Interrupting magnetic field to cause Gravity fall"?
What do you think about this?
AMAZING!! TRULY AMAZING!!
I can't believe I had found this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc
EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH!
After I did my last post, I was just searching around on YouTube for "magnetic ramp" and I found this one!
UNBELIVEABLE!
This guy just made a magnetic ramp where there isn't that problem of "the ball gets stuck by the magnetic attraction of that last magnet" !!!!
I'm shocked!
Please watch this video!
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 02, 2010, 01:52:55 AM
This is a demonstration of how to interfer with a magnetic field to cause an object to fall by gravity, this simple little concept was the preliminary testing for another project I have which is called the broken back balanced lever which I will construct and work any bugs out and then demonstrate the entire principle of a combination magnetic and gravity based system and how it must function. the object I used as a magnetic shield was a pointed steel letter opener that was brass plated, only the very tip was used to interfer with the magnetic field.
My video, sorry about the quality. I will work on that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJ1w2fJojw
more to come.
Jerry ;)
Jerry, your video is very good, and very inspiring.
Maybe you should watch this video, that was made by a Brazilian guy (I'm Brazilian too, but I don't know him):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLILn3sCdQ
I think there is somehow a way to combine your idea with his idea. The difference is that you used a steel ball, and he had used a magnetic ball of neodymium. I don't know if his experiment could work with a steel ball. If yes, maybe it's possible to use some of the kinetic energy of the ball in movement to slightly move the magnetic shield to the right position AFTER the ball stops in its last position, causing the ball to fall... Maybe using springs, I don't know... And after the ball falls we have to move the magnetic shield back to its original position, in order to permit the ball to reach the same magnet in the next loop...
Jerry, my friend, I think that maybe I found an answer to our problem of "popping the ball away from the magnet once it gets to the top", in the words of someone who commented on this video of your French friend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-KYiTwtRo
My idea is: what if the magnetic ball is not a neodymium ball, but an electro-magnet?
Yes! The ball may have a very small battery inside it, and it can be an electromagnet!
We may have some intelligent control system that, when the ball reaches the top, reverses the polarity of the ball! We can imagine what happens when a powerful neodymium magnet encounters an electromagnet that has the same pole turned to its face!
The main advantage over the idea that I gave before (the last magnet being an electromagnet) is that if the ball is the electromagnet it don't need to be very powerful, and a small battery easy to recharge after a few loops would be sufficient.
Jerry, I watched yout video again (MagneticShieldMovie.wmv) and that inspired me with an idea to try to get us back to the good old way of trying to make a perpetual mobile without coils and electromagnets, just with permanent magnets and gravity...
I think I had an idea of how we can make a magnetic shield that rolls down to the right place at the right time ...
If the ball can go up on a inclined upper path... And this video shows it is posible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLILn3sCdQ
If the ball goes up on a inclined upper path, it can push a small part that will release the sliding of the magnetic shield in the proper moment.
The image bellow is a side view of how I imagine the small part could be constructed, in order to drop the shielding at the right moment.
The last magnet is just above point 1 of the small part, so the ball will stop right where point 1 of the small part is, pushing point 1 to inside the equipment, and point 2 will also be pushed to inside. This will release the descent of the magnetic shielding to the appropriate location, sliding, driven by gravity.
If the shielding can slide until between the ball and the last magnet, the ball will be pulled down by gravity.
If this works, we will only need to imagine a mechanism to move the shielding back to its original place after its work is finished.
And I guess if the ball is heavier than the plate that will be used as shielding, and the final height from where the ball drops is a great enough height, it will not be difficult to create a purely mechanical system to harness the ball's fall to move the shield back to its place, just sliding up...