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Hi All,
have a look at this magnetic perpetual motion device over here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVBu77jz4w

It is a backup copy of:

/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4

in case the original author would pull it off youtube.

So, is this a fake or is this genuine ?

Please post  your  comments.

And Happy New Year 2010  to ALL !

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

All the complaining I do about plexiglass, and then I come across this machine, and wish it had been made out of just that.

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TIming on the machine seems strange, the looseness seems to play a good part in it..if there's no hidden features.

Quote from: hartiberlin on January 01, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
So, is this a fake or is this genuine ?

looks very fine to me.

it must be easy to replicate

Hi Stefan,
first on behalf of many people here happy new year and thank you for providing us this forum. i know you and I do not always get along , but the fact you allow a diverse amount of opinions here does you credit.
I like this device and at first look it is both simple and logical. As you know I have been searching for a device that just runs on magnets and never found one. The main reason I want to find one is to see if the magnets show any loss of power over time. (my theory is they would)
the other thing I like at first sight is it is easy to replicate. It would also be able to be scaled up easily and possibly be able to generate some additional power.
You are always full of suprises finding these things and I am sure this is not another Mylow.
however, like most things we will need to do a full analyses including mechanical but at this stage I have a big smile on my face. I give this a big thumbs up as apposed to Steorn.
i will certainly be watching this one with interest, even from just a novelty perspective.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

But can it tell the time of day ?

Hmm?

Before anybody spends any money on this request a video at least a couple hours long. This one is not long enough to prove anything.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To Markdansie: magnets do lose strength over time. As for neodymium they lose one percent every ten years. If you are talking about degaussing when the same poles are facing eachother. Neodymium magnets are the most resistant to degauss.The last five years I have had one hundred neodymium magnets facing the same poles at one eighth of an inch apart and they are at the same strength of my control magnets.                                                                                                                            Most people misscategorize magnet motors as perpetual. perpetual is defined by it has to move for ever. Magnets do not last for ever therefor it can not be perpetual, and if a all magnet motor were to work it would not spin for ever, and that is why the possibility's of a magnet motor does not break any laws under thermodynamics.

The title's: 'Perpetual Motion ?' so the poster makes no claims.

I think it's It's all in fun, more like an 'artistic' effort.

Pendulum-Hoax how-to:
http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1190379491/1

Tony

Quote from: jadaro2600 on January 01, 2010, 09:37:41 PM
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Quote from: hartiberlin on January 01, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
Please post  your  comments.

It would be nice to discuss this device in one place....

Some thoughts:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8555.msg218708#msg218708

Quote from: tournamentdan on January 01, 2010, 11:37:34 PM
                                                                                                                     To Markdansie: magnets do lose strength over time. As for neodymium they lose one percent every ten years. If you are talking about degaussing when the same poles are facing eachother. Neodymium magnets are the most resistant to degauss.The last five years I have had one hundred neodymium magnets facing the same poles at one eighth of an inch apart and they are at the same strength of my control magnets.                                                                                                                            Most people misscategorize magnet motors as perpetual. perpetual is defined by it has to move for ever. Magnets do not last for ever therefor it can not be perpetual, and if a all magnet motor were to work it would not spin for ever, and that is why the possibility's of a magnet motor does not break any laws under thermodynamics.

Thanks for your reply, it is in line with my thinking that should a device (I have seen many fake attempts)one day come along I am sure what you suggest will hold true. My question i have always asked if used in repulsion can any usable work every be achieved? Like can magnets be used as a form of battery.
To date, my search over many years has resulted in finding a single device that was not faked or needed batteries. The extent some people go is amazing and I have seen well qualified engineers fooled.
I agree that we would need to see a long video and on a glass table with preferably clear plastic structural parts. I do like the elegance of it...nice toy.

Mark

I don't know if this thing is real, but I do know I like it. It could some day replace the desk ball-clacker. (although I'd end up turning the vertical sliding magnets into little fake guillotines. :P)

Pecking birds, pendulums and guillotines?
Did Edgar Allen Poe make this??

I want one :o :o :o

Chet

 

I like it too.

In almost every magnetic effort, everything always comes down to being able to move or shift that one magnet to initiated a cascade of movement. This device joins that principle but all 8 moving magnets sectors working in sync. Very nice approach.

Just wondering if those falling guillotines were heavy enough to cut a carrot. That would then be doing work. lol

Even if it could be a fake, its relaxing to watch.

Quote from: wattsup on January 02, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
I like it too.

In almost every magnetic effort, everything always comes down to being able to move or shift that one magnet to initiated a cascade of movement. This device joins that principle but all 8 moving magnets sectors working in sync. Very nice approach.

Just wondering if those falling guillotines were heavy enough to cut a carrot. That would then be doing work. lol

I almost posted this could be a sausace slicer. Carrot would surely be the next level.

I believe it may work that way.
The solution was always to combine two forces : gravity and magnetism.This is the implementation of that idea and that's why I believe it's real.

According to the original poster of this video, there are supposed to be magnets on the guillotine parts. If you look closely at the video, you will notice that the pendulum is pushed away from the guillotine as the guillotine slides down. The speed of the guillotine sliding down is a little suspicious to me.

First off I see an upper set of repeling magnets and a lower set of repeling magnets
at the gillotine. The pendulum arm at the top pushes the gillotine off balance so that
the gillotine with its repeling magnet drops and gives a tap to the swinging pendulum.
Then when it moves away the upper repeling magnet drops and resets the gilotine to
its up position. The weight, and magnetic forces and leverages of this would all have to be balance correctly. The gillotine trick is that it is in a track so it will not push away but
taps the swinging pendulum to keep it moving.

Very clever I'd say.

I do not quite understand what might be at the top above the pivot - maybe just
pendulum balances....

Norman

Quote from: Staffman on January 03, 2010, 12:49:41 PMThe speed of the guillotine sliding down is a little suspicious to me.

i hope i can describe it an undersandable way.

the repel-kick given on the birdpecker-magnets loosen the string where the guillotine is hanging. when the string is loose, it will take a time before the guillotine starts to fall down because of gravity. at this moment the pendulum is still slowly moving toward the guillotine-magnets. the repell-force from pendulum and guillotine-magnets works like a brake for the free falling guillotine, until the pendulum reverses the direction. the guillotine-magnet itself transfer the falling power (weight) trought the repell-force of the magnets to the pendulum-magnets.

sorry about this bad english.

mike

Mike
You think you could build one of these??
Or explain how?

Chet

@Mike
your english is fine.
The problem I see is when the guillitine is falling it will break the pendulum. The repelling force when it changes direction has to be greater than the force needed to tip the counter wieght magnet at the top. I see timing is critical but I cant see an energy gain
Mark

I can't help but see a striking similarity to the Kinetica toy (k-toy, ktoy) from Steorn.  That device supposedly gained energy by the interaction of two magnets where the speed and direction of the approaching magnetic fields was different in regard to the speed and direction of their retreat.  I see the same speed and direction type changes in the interaction of the lower pendulum magnets and the guillotine magnets.  The upper magnet interaction might just be a cleaver way to trigger the lower action.

Quote from: markdansie on January 04, 2010, 10:11:22 AM@Mike
your english is fine.

thanks :blush:

Quote from: markdansie on January 04, 2010, 10:11:22 AMThe problem I see is when the guillitine is falling it will break the pendulum. The repelling force when it changes direction has to be greater than the force needed to tip the counter wieght magnet at the top.

don't forget to add the "falling-down-power" (free fallin of gulliotine) because of gravity

Quote from: ramset on January 03, 2010, 08:31:40 PMMike
You think you could build one of these??

i'll think about to build one, but i've to get some time for it.
mike

Quote from: markdansie on January 04, 2010, 10:11:22 AM@Mike
your english is fine.

thanks :blush:

Quote from: markdansie on January 04, 2010, 10:11:22 AMThe problem I see is when the guillitine is falling it will break the pendulum. The repelling force when it changes direction has to be greater than the force needed to tip the counter wieght magnet at the top.

don't forget to add the "falling-down-power" (free fallin of gulliotine) because of gravity

Quote from: ramset on January 03, 2010, 08:31:40 PMMike
You think you could build one of these??

i'll think about to build one, but i've to get some time for it.
actually i work on a project with an self running and HOPEFULLY also self starting magnetmotor
mike

A good place to hide batteries and pulse generator will be inside the 'hammer'.  :P

And it would run for many months just like a normal clock does.

I think I replaced the battery on my pendulum clock over a year ago, could be longer, so these things will run a very long time off even a small battery.

If this is real? to replicate would not cost much.
To make it do work [torque]would not be brain surgery either
How did this vid get here ??
Stephan did you invite him to share ??

Chet

.
I did an HQ frame-capture for any who'd like to get a better look and enhance any images:

http://rapidshare.de/files/48943538/OU-Pendulum.zip.html

13.5M - see the _README.txt

Tony
.

I have a great plan to test the gillotine dropping resulting force. Swing the pendulum from a marked point from left to right and on the right have a latch made from milk jug plastic to stop it at
its stopping point. Then drop the gillotine which will also kick the latch down so the pendulum will swing back and measure where it ends up on the left. If it goes past its stopping point then viola -
the gillotine is effective. Then its a matter of getting the gillotine reset again at a work unit less than the work unit gained in the test above.


Hopefully in a day I can embody this.

Norman

Quote

I did an HQ frame-capture for any who'd like to get a better look and enhance any images:

http://rapidshare.de/files/48943538/OU-Pendulum.zip.html

13.5M - see the _README.txt

Tony,

I'm interested in seeing your HQ pictures.  I'm unable to open your file via the net or save it as a target.  Is there another option or a fix?

Thanks for your help!
Preston

Quote from: ATT on January 04, 2010, 04:40:27 PMI did an HQ frame-capture for any who'd like to get a better look and enhance any images:

you did do a nice job. it will be very helpfull for replicate it.

i wish so, i could use autocat too, but this software is a bit too expensive for me >:(

Thanks Tony,
Hopefully I'll figure out how to open that also.

Chet

Quote from: pstroud on January 04, 2010, 07:24:31 PM
I'm unable to open your file via the net or save it as a target.  Is there another option or a fix?

Preston,

It's a 13-Meg zip archive, whether you run win or *nix, you should be able to open it (once you download to your drive) with any number of utilities including winzip, 7zip, rar, etc. - most of the mainstream archive utilities will handle multiple formats (I think XP and up has it built-in).

If you can't DL from rapidshare (maybe you have a slow connection? behind a firwall? ISP makes rapidshare off-limits?), send me a PM and I can break the file into multiple rar files that will re-construct on your drive, but you still have to have them -all- before the file will allow you to access it's contents.

You can get around an ISP block by simply using a proxy to get to rapidshare, try Anonimizer or any other proxy service.

If niether of the above is an option, this is how you do it:

1.)Install Firefox as your default browser.
2.)Install KeepVid on your browser toolbar
3.)Download the compiled version of FFMPEG for your system.
4.)Go to youtube and play the video (you have to go to youtube, you can't do this from the embedded OU file).
5.)While it's playing, click on KeepVid and it will show you a 'capcha' after which you will get the choice of DLing the low-fi or HQ-mp4 version of the video, take the mp4.
6.)Put the DL'ed video file in the /bin directory of FFMPEG
7.)Get to a command-line and run this command either from a script or copy-paste it in:

ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -r 30 -f image2 g:\FFMPEG\images\video.%04d.jpg

Hit <enter>

FFMPEG will dissect the video, discard the audio track, convert it to jpg, and dump all the files in the ../images directory (you have to make the /images dir under ../FFMPEG yourself).

Can you handle all that? Great! You're on your way...

If you do this on a regular basis, you might want to build a script to handle all the manual details ( bash, batch, etc.), then just supply the name of the file you want to process and wait for it to complete.

Tony

Quote from: ramset on January 04, 2010, 10:05:15 PM
Hopefully I'll figure out how to open that also.

Chet, if it gives you any trouble, let me know and I'll take care of it.

Quote from: mike-ao on January 04, 2010, 08:48:04 PM
you did do a nice job. it will be very helpfull for replicate it.

Thanks, hope it does you good.

Quotei wish so, i could use autocat too, but this software is a bit too expensive for me

I'm sure there's a torrent out there somewhere.

Tony

Hi Tony I download and unzip the pictures but there resolution is not good enough.  :(

TNX

Dragan

Quote from: forest on January 02, 2010, 02:46:50 PM
I believe it may work that way.
The solution was always to combine two forces : gravity and magnetism.This is the implementation of that idea and that's why I believe it's real.

Pendulum doesn't need to much additional energy to keep going and small repel from magnet on guillotine can just do the job.

Dragan

Quote from: dradak1 on January 05, 2010, 07:56:53 PM
...I download and unzip the pictures but there resolution is not good enough. 

The captures were done at original frame-resolution due to the size of the resulting file (it's already 13-Megs), but FFMPEG has an advanced scaling engine that can zoom you up better than Photoshop, but the resulting images will take up a lot more disk space.

See post #32, Use FFMPEG and add this argument to the command line:

-s 640x480
or
-s 800x600
or
-s 1024x768

Your complete command-line would look like this:

ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -r 30 -s 800x600 -f image2 g:\FFMPEG\images\video.%04d.jpg

Over 85% of the video capture and conversion software out there, whether commercial, shareware or freeware uses the FFMPEG engine, I prefer to get the latest SVN and compile it myself to maintain updates, but current binary builds for all systems are available at: http://ffmpeg.arrozcru.org/builds/  It's by Fabrice Bellard, you can't do much better than that.

Remember you're still limited by the quality of the original video, but this should help.

As an aside, I normally use XNVIEW as an image browser, it thumbnails all images in any directory you change to on the fly, is available for mac, Linux, Win - available in Deutsch, Français, English.

Tony

Using my simple test for the dropping gillotine force my pendulum swings 7/16 inch further.

So Its ow a question of how much is lost by the push and drop of the gillotine by the pendulum
swing at the top.

What bothers me is those very wide magnet gaps at the top at 0.51 in the video. You don't get much magnet power
at those distances. My test distance was muh closer than that.

Norman

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
Using my simple test for the dropping gillotine force my pendulum swings 7/16 inch further.

So Its ow a question of how much is lost by the push and drop of the gillotine by the pendulum
swing at the top.

What bothers me is those very wide magnet gaps at the top at 0.51 in the video. You don't get much magnet power
at those distances. My test distance was muh closer than that.

Norman

TNX Norman. Do we have specification for magnets (?) - if they are powerful we do not like to have them too close - (overkill effect). Everything have to be tuned to cover resistance energy loss on bearings what definitely must be less than energy broth up by gravity on guillotine. 

Dragan

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
Using my simple test for the dropping gillotine force my pendulum swings 7/16 inch further.

So Its now a question of how much is lost by the push and drop of the gillotine by the pendulum
swing at the top.

What bothers me is those very wide magnet gaps at the top at 0.51 in the video. You don't get much magnet power
at those distances. My test distance was muh closer than that.

Norman

Hi Norman,

Very good news what you have experienced.

I also think the distances depend on the strength of those upper magnets in repel like Dragan mentioned. 
And if I see those magnets correctly in the video, they are stacked so does not this mean the flux shape gets longer and more oval-like, just in the right (near vertical) direction?

Thanks, Gyula

Quote from: dradak1 on January 06, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
Do we have specification for magnets (?)

If the guy is in the U.S. and especially if he's a woodworker, there's a good chance he gets some of his stuff from Home Depot, because it's convenient.

Home Depot has magnets, here's some that look a lot like what he's showing in the video:

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xhb/R-100132218/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

You might also look around for curtain rods, bathroom rods, hinges and brass hardware, you might run into some other items that he used in his device.

(if you're in the U.S., you have to type-in your zip code to see things that are only carried on a store-by-store basis...like certain magnets).

Tony

today i started to build something like this

One really wonders what these guys are up to â€" that one with the fake perpetuum mobile somewhere in Germany or the other one in Vienna and still that other one in the Guggenheim museum in NYC etc. If this current one is to be just a kinetic sculpture, it’s the least esthetic. Also, the former were at least on public display, it’s known who their authors are. Who is the author of this one? Where can it be seen? What’s the whole point of splashing it on youtube anonymously, question mark as insurance against fraud accusations, doomed to go into oblivion? What’s the point of such sad destiny?

Kinetic sculpture of sorts is supposed to be also Finsrud’s. However, Finsrud showed me personally numerous attempts, different from his current perpetuum mobile, which he had been creating for many years and decades probably. So, this had been a serious effort of his to create a PM, obviously. One may argue that having failed for so many years he had turned that into a joke, pretending to be a piece of art. Who can tell? I know somebody in New York City, an engineer and physicist, who, after his engineering company had gone under, inlayed the blueprints of his inventions in paintings which he was selling as art. To me that’s more of a depression statement, despair or something of sorts which someone may call art but by a big stretch.

Of course, having said that, I know full well that failed afforts such as these (and probably the one under discussion) to create perpetuum mobile don't prove the impossibility for perpetuum mobile to be created one day because violation of CoE has been proven without a doubt. The problem with these creators is purely social and psychological and that's inherent in human nature. One has to learn to recognize that sooner rather than later and move on when encountering such claims clouded in such human frailty.

he he perpetuum (non)mobile is real , I can make it in few minutes exactly in one.
Take a piece of plasticine, a nice pencil and two magnets with holes in center.
Put pencil into plasticine and plasticine stick to tabletop, drop one magnet on pencil and another also in such way that it will repel the first one.

Congratulations, you have created your first perpetuum (non)mobile.Think about it.

Quote from: Omnibus on January 07, 2010, 04:49:16 AM
One really wonders what these guys are up to â€" that one with the fake perpetuum mobile somewhere in Germany or the other one in Vienna and still that other one in the Guggenheim museum in NYC etc. If this current one is to be just a kinetic sculpture, it’s the least esthetic. Also, the former were at least on public display, it’s known who their authors are. Who is the author of this one? Where can it be seen? What’s the whole point of splashing it on youtube anonymously, question mark as insurance against fraud accusations, doomed to go into oblivion? What’s the point of such sad destiny?

Kinetic sculpture of sorts is supposed to be also Finsrud’s. However, Finsrud showed me personally numerous attempts, different from his current perpetuum mobile, which he had been creating for many years and decades probably. So, this had been a serious effort of his to create a PM, obviously. One may argue that having failed for so many years he had turned that into a joke, pretending to be a piece of art. Who can tell? I know somebody in New York City, an engineer and physicist, who, after his engineering company had gone under, inlayed the blueprints of his inventions in paintings which he was selling as art. To me that’s more of a depression statement, despair or something of sorts which someone may call art but by a big stretch.

Of course, having said that, I know full well that failed afforts such as these (and probably the one under discussion) to create perpetuum mobile don't prove the impossibility for perpetuum mobile to be created one day because violation of CoE has been proven without a doubt. The problem with these creators is purely social and psychological and that's inherent in human nature. One has to learn to recognize that sooner rather than later and move on when encountering such claims clouded in such human frailty.

Hi buddy,

Please do not throw the sh@ on other people ideas if you do not have one (what I doubt). I do not want history to repeat self - isn’t ashamed that because of same kind of people who opposed Tesla and other genius (century ago) we are still on spot to try to understand. They tried to tell us about possibility to have magnet & electricity & gravitation interfere (as they do) â€" but in stupid interest of narrow-minded greedy bust@#$ we are behind for long shot. Instead to make life easier we are enslaved again. If we use just technology what is out there today â€" people shouldn’t work more than 2-3 hours per day but rest of the time they can do whatever they prefer (personally I will have time to build lab where I can test any “stupid” idea (no such thing â€" stupid â€" that is just fiction) that makes at list some sense tome (as this concept do).
Your criticism is welcome but please makes the point & argument or even better proof why you think that will work or not.
Bottom line is
AS OUR KIDS ARE SMARTER ALL OF AS WILL BE BETTER OFF.

Dragan

P.S. when I say our kids - I didn't mean to teach just my kids - all that are interested in subject that I am familiar with - that is the key to success and enjoyable retirement that I am looking for :-)

Quote from: forest on January 07, 2010, 05:13:29 AM
he he perpetuum (non)mobile is real , I can make it in few minutes exactly in one.
Take a piece of plasticine, a nice pencil and two magnets with holes in center.
Put pencil into plasticine and plasticine stick to tabletop, drop one magnet on pencil and another also in such way that it will repel the first one.

Congratulations, you have created your first perpetuum (non)mobile.Think about it.

That sound's exiting for 5-6 years old child - you just proof that all of us (around 6B people) have way to go. And just for your note - any single person (from that 6B) is better from rest in something and worst from rest in something - no one is perfect. :-)

Quote from: forest on January 07, 2010, 05:13:29 AM
he he perpetuum (non)mobile is real , I can make it in few minutes exactly in one.
Take a piece of plasticine, a nice pencil and two magnets with holes in center.
Put pencil into plasticine and plasticine stick to tabletop, drop one magnet on pencil and another also in such way that it will repel the first one.

Congratulations, you have created your first perpetuum (non)mobile.Think about it.

how much disinformation you're willing to spread around?
Many people have decided to work around on the "free energy" with their power. So keep such a nonsense for your own.

Quote from: dradak1 on January 07, 2010, 08:29:57 PM...all of us (around 6B people)

what do you mean with 6B people?

Quote from: mike-ao on January 08, 2010, 08:00:34 AM
how much disinformation you're willing to spread around?
Many people have decided to work around on the "free energy" with their power. So keep such a nonsense for your own.
what do you mean with 6B people?

That mean around 6 billion humans are presently on Mother Earth.  :)

If you have tried to replicate this machine , please share it here , even if it failed to work .

Hi all,

Anyone notice the two black circles on the base.. someone on youtube thinks they are coils wrapped in black electrical tape?  If they weren't there, it would be easier to believe.

4Tesla

Quote from: dradak1 on January 08, 2010, 11:44:09 AM
That mean around 6 billion humans are presently on Mother Earth.  :)

tnx, sorry the dumb question ;) ... I've misunderstood the billion.. 
German counts different

Quote from: neptune on January 08, 2010, 01:16:38 PMIf you have tried to replicate this machine , please share it here , even if it failed to work .

I've started to work today on it. i use some Plexiglas, so the major part's will be visible. trough the w-end I'll fool around to balance the picker-bird. *gg*

as soon i finish the replication, I'll place one or two  IP-cam's on it and I'll give you the URL for viewing wit VLC-player. i hope it will work

I put a rapid prototype together with only the one side using a balanced see-saw instead of the gillotine because I  suspected it would be prone to sticking. I use wire stops and wire axles that can easily be repositioned in wood holes and used aluminum soffet to make C channel for the arms and see-saws and connected them with small craft wire to lift the gillotine/see-saw.

Amagingly there is action at quite a distance.

No cigar. The action
works but when the magnet drops near the pendulum it stops and does not continue down.
This is because of a magnetic phenonemon I call describe as "there is no push without a squeeze" and so we have to pay for the squeeze. This could easily be seen if a string was
used to drop the gillotine then it would not drop and extra string would be seen.

Better luck to you. I am working on Lafonte stuff at the same time. So I vacilate back and forth between them because I am addicted to magnets.

Norman 

Quote from: norman6538 on January 09, 2010, 01:01:41 PM
....
Amazingly there is action at quite a distance.

No cigar. The action works but when the magnet drops near the pendulum it stops and does not continue down.
This is because of a magnetic phenonemon I call describe as "there is no push without a squeeze" and so we have to pay for the squeeze. This could easily be seen if a string was used to drop the gillotine then it would not drop and extra string would be seen.
....

Hi Norman,

I apologize but I did not get your explanation why the gillotine did not continue to drop fully down?

Was it because the coming pendulum magnet did not let it drop but kept it at a distance up from the full down position?

Sorry and thanks,  Gyula

Norman
Thanks for sharing

If your addicted then you must follow a master addict

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8620.0

Chet

Gravity should replace squeeze force.
In other ways this device is using repelling magnets to force pendulum UP , then gravity is net zero force and pull it DOWN.I'm wondering where is "the sticky point"

@All
If it means anything I don't believe this guy for 1 second and it has nothing to do with science but moreso psychology. I have heard many inventors speak and I think this one has an ego many times larger than his IQ. I would guess at some point the truth will be revealed as a hoax and he will put down the FE community and other people for believing his hoax. In the end this is his own twisted way of feeding his ego and his superiority complex at the expense of others, I could be wrong but this is what I think is happening. I do not believe he is sincere in any way, shape or form.
Regards
AC

Hi Norman,

I apologize but I did not get your explanation why the gillotine did not continue to drop fully down?

Was it because the coming pendulum magnet did not let it drop but kept it at a distance up from the full down position?

Sorry and thanks,  Gyula

Gyula
The mechanical part works properly when the pendulum magnets are not attached. Then
when they are attached it does not drop rapidly enough to get the desired snap.

I also made one with a gillotine and it was much more problematic in dropping than the see-saw. But its a lot of fun.

Norman

Quote from: 4Tesla on January 08, 2010, 06:22:00 PM
Hi all,

Anyone notice the two black circles on the base.. someone on youtube thinks they are coils wrapped in black electrical tape?  If they weren't there, it would be easier to believe.

4Tesla

Guys.. any thoughts on the black circles on the base?

@Norman,
Hi , thanks for your updates. I also had a problem trying to figure out how that blade was dropping without any signs of repelling or slowing down the decent. The only thing I could think of was they must be pretty weak magnets or the timing had something to do with it. So many unknowns.
The black plugs are a mystery, I thought it could something to do with sealing it up if they had evacuated the air.
I feel this is somehow rigged at this stage and sent as a teaser. the poster of the video has not responded for some time to any requests.
Kind Regards
Mark

Quote from: markdansie on January 10, 2010, 04:43:38 AMThe black plugs are a mystery, I thought it could something to do with sealing it up if they had evacuated the air.

i guess you guys are talking about the two black knobs on the bottom-plate just next to the pier.
i guess it is some kind of Rubber bushing, because the pendulum transfers a non-negligible effect to the whole case.

mike

I've placed a new page, where you can follow my replication about this pendulum. for the moment i do only describe it in German language. English translation follows up, as soon someone will give me a little help  ;D


www.mike-ao.de/pen (http://www.mike-ao.de/pen)

it's just to share the success or failure

To AllCanadian,

I respect your intuition as to the veracity of the presenters of these videos.
What is your opinion of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Quote from: mike-ao on January 10, 2010, 09:25:02 PM
I've placed a new page, where you can follow my replication about this pendulum. for the moment i do only describe it in German language. English translation follows up, as soon someone will give me a little help  ;D


www.mike-ao.de/pen (http://www.mike-ao.de/pen)

it's just to share the success or failure

Hi, Mike. Please examine the following translation I made of your web page and tell me if it is accurate:

QuoteForward

in own Thing (not sure about this line)

For a very long time now, I have been fascinated with the power of magnetic fields. In the late 1970s, I began to concentrate more on this subject, but as with the lives of so many of us; I had neither the time nor money (or little of either). By the mid ‘80s, my interest in this had to be pushed completely to the end of the list, for professional as well as family reasons. And there it sat, until I finally hit a turning point in the middle of 2006, after I saw a magnetic system with a well-planned, working mechanism.

After extensive searching with Google and YouTube, I found this video.

Thus, I decided to actually build a magnet engine, also. But I will report more on that at another time.

If I May Indulge You...

If there are any expert mechanics or engineers among my valued readers, then I would like to apologize up front for any potentially incorrect terminology, and in particular the amateur presentation of the subject. Additionally, the last time I filed, polished, sawed, bored and cut threads, was more than a quarter century ago. My currently available tools, with which I intend to make experimental setups, are all shown here.

My reproduction of the pendulum

Freely after PI times Thumbs (not sure about this line, either)

In order to keep the reproduction of the pendulum in the video as clear and as simple as possible, I did without any unnecessary frills. The mounting frame consists of sectional shelving brackets, which one can find in any good hardware store.

Sectional shelving brackets and matching connectors

The pendulum arm is a simple M8 threaded rod, which extends as one piece from the pendulum axle to the weight. I manufactured the weight from a Plexiglas block.

Pendulum arm

Pendulum weight with the two neodymium magnets

Weight installed on arm

The pendulum axle is high-grade steel and is mounted in brass bushings. To show that the axle is free from any extra energy input, the brass bushings are mounted in Plexiglas plates.

@Cisco

QuoteTo AllCanadian,
I respect your intuition as to the veracity of the presenters of these videos.
What is your opinion of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I hope I do not sound too skeptical but I have issues with this video as well, I think the rotor accelerated to fast on startup. The motion and orientation of the magnet in his hand, the distance to the rotor, had very little effect on the speed of the rotor. Of course I have no proof of anything and I could very well be wrong but I get a bad feeling about this video based on experiments I have done in the past, I would have liked to have seen under the table. Unfortunately many times when something looks to good to be true it usually is ;D , If this effect shown was that easy it would have been found many years ago.
Regards
AC

Quote from: allcanadian on January 11, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
@Cisco
I hope I do not A too skeptical but I have issues with this video as well, I think the rotor accelerated to fast on startup. The motion and orientation of the magnet in his hand, the distance to the rotor, had very little effect on the speed of the rotor. Of course I have no proof of anything and I could very well be wrong but I get a bad feeling about this video based on experiments I have done in the past, I would have liked to have seen under the table. Unfortunately many times when something looks to good to be true it usually is ;D , If this effect shown was that easy it would have been found many years ago.
Regards
AC
[I agree with AC, I have seen many devices in person and through that experience this one (subject to further info) is has too many red flags
Mark]

You don't need to have done any experiments to see that a hidden source powered that motor.

Regards...

I agree, the biggest give away of a hidden power source, is the high brightness of the small incandescent bulb, when the small motor/generator is spun with the fingers. With the exception of stepper motors (which this isn't), small hobby motors like the one shown, make poor generators at low rpm's.

Quote from: Cisco on January 11, 2010, 01:40:58 AM
To AllCanadian,

I respect your intuition as to the veracity of the presenters of these videos.
What is your opinion of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

That is definitely a working magnet motor, but it is so tiny that it really has no practical use.

It is just like a child's toy pinwheel that you can hold in your hand, which is also about the same size. The wind will make the pinwheel turn at many rpms, but you really can't make practical use of it.

But, of course, they do indeed make giant pinwheels to generate electricity. Otherwise known as wind generators.

If this magnet motor were scaled up to create the same torque that a wind generator creates, you could use this setup to generate electricity.

The next step is to start scaling up this design. Perhaps a bicycle wheel.

The youtube video Cisco posted and this magnet pendulum are highly fake.

After hundreds of failed magnet motor attempts, I think its safe to say that if overunity is possible, it isn't from magnets. Besides, rare-earth magnets are about to become far more expensive and scarce as China begins to severely limit exports of their rare-earth metals.

Even the Flynn electromagnet motor proved not to posses a flux coupling force at high RPM because of BEMF. Only as a static device was there any measured over-unity force.

Quote from: GraViTaR on January 11, 2010, 04:36:06 AMHi, Mike. Please examine the following translation I made of your web page and tell me if it is accurate:

thank you. I've updated the page already.

This pendulum design is ingenious.

It combines magnetic force with gravitational force to achieve perpetual motion.

You can see how the forces are recycled in a closed, figure-8 loop. The left side travels in a counter-clockwise direction and the right side, clockwise.

Interestingly, that is the symbol of infinity; a sideways "8". So I've dubbed this the "Infinity Pendulum".

Now we'll see how the duplication attempts go. Timing and balance will be important to get right

Yes, ingenious it the word!
Maybe already stated elsewhere,
but i think this is what drives the apparatus:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm

/Hob

This is great news! I consider Finsrud has been confirmed! It seems that this George Delk from the US has confirmed Reidar Finsrud with the perpetual motion of a pendulum managed with magnets. I will try to replicate this thing to make sure that this is no make-belief. It is inspiring because I always thought that free energy is time energy. Now we have a kind of pendulum clock thing that really runs on time energy and not on batteries, a lifted weight or a wound spring! At present I am at IPMM version 12 where I try to use a clocklike mechanism to run my cakra disc. As yet I have failed with the IPMM to find PM, but this pendulum might do the trick. Looks real enough to me. The question is, if the pendulum works as shown, can it do work then like running a rotor? Is this the replicable PM version we were looking for? We will see...


See my analysis on Finsrud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q
The peswiki thread on this:
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Perpetual_Magnetic_Pendulum_by_George_Delk
IPMM-thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
Finsrud overunity discussion:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=18.0;wap2
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=18.45
George Delk Discussion group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Delk_MP/
Delk's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 13, 2010, 03:51:01 AM
This is great news! I consider Finsrud has been confirmed! It seems that this George Delk from the US has confirmed Reidar Finsrud with the perpetual motion of a pendulum managed with magnets. I will try to replicate this thing to make sure that this is no make-belief. It is inspiring because I always thought that free energy is time energy. Now we have a kind of pendulum clock thing that really runs on time energy and not on batteries, a lifted weight or a wound spring! At present I am at IPMM version 12 where I try to use a clocklike mechanism to run my cakra disc. As yet I have failed with the IPMM to find PM, but this pendulum might do the trick. Looks real enough to me. The question is, if the pendulum works as shown, can it do work then like running a rotor? Is this the replicable PM version we were looking for? We will see...


See my analysis on Finsrud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q
The peswiki thread on this:
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Perpetual_Magnetic_Pendulum_by_George_Delk
IPMM-thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
Finsrud overunity discussion:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=18.0;wap2
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=18.45
George Delk Discussion group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Delk_MP/
Delk's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4

Nice work on gathering all this information.. before you start replicating.. maybe you can find out what those black cylinders at the base do.. I think they are important to make work.

4Tesla

Maybe it is based on researches of Wesley Gary :
http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm

1879 year , just a 4 years after Edison re-discovered etheric force.

This is very OLD occult knowledge

Quote from: 4Tesla link=topic=8568.msg222002#msg222002 =1263377159
Nice work on gathering all this information.. before you start replicating.. maybe you can find out what those black cylinders at the base do.. I think they are important to make work.

4Tesla

They are just at the front side, so they are probably caps sealing screws that fasten the base or something. Replication  will prove the relevance. I think it is constructional artefact.

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 14, 2010, 02:35:18 AM
They are just at the front side, so they are probably caps sealing screws that fasten the base or something. Replication  will prove the relevance. I think it is constructional artefact.

I thought you can contact George Delk the builder of this device?  Can you ask him what they are and if there are any hidden batteries or coils?

4Tesla

Quote from: 4Tesla on January 14, 2010, 05:52:54 PM
I thought you can contact George Delk the A of this device?  Can you ask him what they are and if there are any hidden batteries or coils?
4Tesla

I asked george that question and they are just cosmetic plastic plugs to cover some holes created in why building the device. I guess it had some experimentation.
Just passing on the info.
Mark

Quote from: markdansie on January 14, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
I asked george that question and they are just cosmetic plastic plugs to cover some holes created in why building the device. I guess it had some experimentation.
Just passing on the info.
Mark

Thank you Mark.. If that is true.. it may be real.  I hope people here can make some successful replicas.  I wonder if Clanzer is working on this.

4Tesla

@ 4Tesla,
I can normally look at a magnetic motor and tell you why it wont work at ten paces. This one is actually a mind bender assuming their is no trickery. i can see why it wouldnt work and why it would. Its been great entertainment value.
Ultimately the power would come from the magnets so deguassing could occur, but hey if it runs for a few years you could fool a few people.
mark

Quote from: nilrehob on January 13, 2010, 02:48:42 AM
...
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm
...

It is not convincing. The point is not force but work. There is no evidence that the work of magnets approaching one another is not the same by sliding parallely than transversally.

Replication done. The setup works indeed as described, but alas, in the Tinselkoala style...

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0r5MYHcHQ4


For more of my free energy research see:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 16, 2010, 04:29:30 AM
Replication done. The thing works indeed as described, but alas, in the Tinselkoala style...

See the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0r5MYHcHQ4

you are correct, all you have to remember is that energy is a lazy conservative slave and you'll be okay.

you will spot all the frauds after knowing what to look for.

even when energy is in motion it doesn't like to do work. period!

it is the truth.

Thanks for your work on this!

4Tesla

always think nonsymmetrical

I said Mister George Elk, but it must be Mr. Delk, sorry...

Anand Aadhar
Thanks

I suppose Mark can Forward your replication to George?

Would be nice to hear his comments

Chet

On YouTube George replied and told me this:

I wrote:
I will try to replicate this. I was looking for this for a long time. An easy Finsrud with just one pendulum. A doable thing so to see. Replication decides whether it is of any value....."

and:

I have replicated it, but could not prove it working without a cheater magnet... George, are you for real or am I in illusion?

See watch?v=u0r5MYHcHQ4

Sorry for calling you Elk in stead of Delk in my video.

George replied:

"Very nice job. I especially like the pivoting side magnets. Possibly weight above the pivot point of the pendulum is needed. The design that I am now working on uses very small neodymium magnets and extremely lightweight materials. They do take considerable time to built and adjust."

I have replied with:

"Yes if your thing is real, - and is seems so, for you continue developing the pendulum and you reply -, certainly my magnets are not suffient. Too much weight for too little force. So I intend to buy some neodymium material, and try again. But I'm not quite sure what the best solution would be. Do you continue with your side 'quillotine system', or do you plan for something like I did, let's say the 'silent version'? Adding weight above the pivot is a good point... i'll try it..."

See further YouTube comments page:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=SZjNbjhxgt4

Anand Aadhar free energy research pages:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

Glad to see more work done on this if it is a valid device.. anyone know if Clanzer is working on a replication?

4Tesla

I am sure there is simply a coil or two underneath of big swinging pendulum with minimum electronics like just a single transistor. It was widely used in 1980's "electronic" clocks  to drive ordinary balance wheel spring clock mechanism without winded spiral spring or gravity weight. D battery lasted there for a year or two. Basically approaching magnet makes an EMF voltage in sensing coil, which triggers a single pulse of driving current via transistor at right moment to propel the pendulum. Usually there is a positive feedback via power coil to sensing coil, which determines pulse duration. Nowadays there is a million methods to do the same. For instance sensor could be a Hall effect switch, etc.

Similar device has been demonstrated in Kinetica Museum London.  look at
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html
(http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html)

It all exciting to see but no overunity I am afraid.

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 18, 2010, 03:27:08 AM
...
"Yes if your thing is real, - and is seems so, for you continue developing the pendulum and you reply -, certainly my magnets are not suffient. Too much weight for too little force. So I intend to buy some neodymium material, and try again. But I'm not quite sure what the best solution would be. Do you continue with your side 'quillotine system', or do you plan for something like I did, let's say the 'silent version'? Adding weight above the pivot is a good point... i'll try it..."

See further YouTube comments page:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=SZjNbjhxgt4

Anand Aadhar free energy research pages:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

Congratulation Anand - your replacement for guillotine - looks better and definitely have less resistance. 
Also what about same polarity of magnets facing each other on bottom of pendulum and in center to not allow pendulum stop in center?

Thanks,

Dragan

Quote from: vpo20 on January 19, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
I am sure there is simply a coil or two underneath of big swinging pendulum with minimum electronics like just a single transistor. It was widely used in 1980's "electronic" clocks  to drive ordinary balance wheel spring clock mechanism without winded spiral spring or gravity weight. D battery lasted there for a year or two. Basically approaching magnet makes an EMF voltage in sensing coil, which triggers a single pulse of driving current via transistor at right moment to propel the pendulum. Usually there is a positive feedback via power coil to sensing coil, which determines pulse duration. Nowadays there is a million methods to do the same. For instance sensor could be a Hall effect switch, etc.

Similar device has been demonstrated in Kinetica Museum London.  look at
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html
(http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html)

It all exciting to see but no overunity I am afraid.

Welcome to the forum.. yes, very cool device, but I have a feeling the two black items on the base are coils and a circuit witch are powered by a battery to keep it going.

4Tesla

hello people. pleased to meet you :?)
t'is my first post in here.

so, genuine or fake ?
of course this video it's possibly a fake, however the principles are sound.

a decent pendulum is rather efficient, powered by gravity and only slow down due to friction (contact and air). easy to eliminate the air if in a vaccum, so in order to keep it going for aaaaaaages (technically still not perpetually tho) you only need add a little boost. and what better to add an additional boost than a natural magnet?
actually, i had this exact thought about ten years ago and thought of designs/arrangements very much like this one. nice and simple.
i just found this site today and am loving it so far, but i found watching that little video super creepy. but i suppose i shouldn't be surprised because often people do think of the same basic idea.

so i'll have to say:
genuine.

ps: of course i know you may not believe what i said, but i've moved forward a lot with my own work on what you're calling overunity devices, so if you interested, this is my stuff up to mid last year. (i've moved on again since this vid):

Conceptual Self Powering Generators
http://www.archive.org/details/ConceptGenerators_FullMovie

So this thin a fake?  Or is it real?

I've tried to improve my replication with a more responsive side lever with stronger magnets at a greater distance on top, but that only led to a greater obstruction of the pendulum by the magnetic force. So the case suggests a fake as far as I am concerned.

But still my failure is no proof of impossibility. There is also Finsrud proving and defending the same time restlessness of the magnetism/gravity balance. Think of relativism that is also based upon a failure, the failure namely to prove the ether (Michelson and Morley). But the ether still might exist even though not proven with mirrors measuring the speed of light because in the same medium (of space) the speed of light is isotropically the same in all directions. Thus relativism might be a rationalization of incapacity (a neurotic symptom) and so the same way also the denial of Delk and Finsrud are thus also possibly neurotic. I am a psychologist and I can tell you that it is difficult to distinguish the sociopath cheating you from your own neurosis of nerdish doubt compensation. Neurosis and psychopathology are two sides of the same coin. The sociopath uses that weakness and tries to prove - and enjoy - that your belief in the ether and your effort for PM conversion with it is simply stupid. That is one of the reasons I am engaged in this business. Most people here in this forum have no clue about these subtleties and fall into valuing for or against. But I think doubt - not being neurotic - must be defended as the scientific foundation of all research.

AA

Quote from: OscarMeyer on January 21, 2010, 08:20:56 PM
So this thin a fake?  Or is it real?

Quote from: OscarMeyer on January 21, 2010, 08:20:56 PM
So this thin a fake?  Or is it real?

I believe it is fake, but I would like George to prove me wrong!  He could make one with clear plexiglass, put on a glass table, no walls, and without the black items on the base.

4Tesla

Quote from: 4Tesla on January 22, 2010, 03:14:41 AM
I believe it is fake, but I would like George to prove me wrong!  He could make one with clear plexiglass, put on a glass table, no walls, and without the black items on the base.

4Tesla

...and still have a pulse coil off screen to drive it..

That what you suggest will remain still in pushing that resitance by which you disallow the middle, in that case a magnetic alternator or cyclic rotor/looping must me implemented that has a force of inertia that is greater than the resistance. There must be a constant flow of energy looped and timed in the system that cannot find its balance. Finsrud is the best example of such an implementation and does your suggestion with a chaos pendulum. But that is quite another build. The basic notion is: there is no equilibrium in nature, just everything striving for it, thus we have time energy.

Quote from: dradak1 on January 19, 2010, 12:33:02 PM
Congratulation Anand - your  for guillotine - looks better and definitely have less resistance. 
Also what about same polarity of magnets facing each other on bottom of pendulum and in center to not allow pendulum stop in center?

Thanks,

Dragan

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 22, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
That what you suggest will remain still in pushing that resitance by which you disallow the middle...

You are absolutely right - that is what I was thinking after posting replay.
Anyway - those magnets on sides (that use gravity) have to be ones to not allow pendulum to stop.
Originally I had impression that those magnets on sides are repelling but in that case they will try to push pendulum into center - what pendulum trying to do anyway - what if they are trying to attract pendulum but do not have enough power to hold and inertia bring pendulum into other direction to the point where other magnet make small additional attraction just to make swing constant.   

Thanks,

Dragan

Quote from: AnandAadhar on January 22, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
The basic notion is: there is no equilibrium in nature, just everything striving for it, thus we have time energy.

Nicely stated.

Just a little more (of my two cents worth) ..... "thus we have time energy" accompanied by the constant of change.

Cheers

it sure looks viable  but can it be geared up to produce a megawatt?  i kinda doubt it  but then who knows? 

there are better, smaller machines that achieve over unity.  it is a cute little thingy though.

i like this one. 

anyone else seen it?   Looks pretty good.  I think I have the dimensions.  If a trick,  a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv

also this looks like a dandy

http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf

god bless this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhzgS_rq7tg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y
i think it great way of softening if not removing back emf.  brilliant!!!
enjoy  peace out, joe

Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 10:26:08 AM
god bless this guy

http://www.youtube.com/?v=PhzgS_rq7tg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y
i think it great way of softening if not removing back emf.  brilliant!!!
enjoy  peace out, joe

This is a make-belief guy.....

And not only that...the 'make beliefs' haven't won the cup since 1967.

Regards...

Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 01:34:15 AM
i like this one. 

anyone else seen it?   Looks pretty good.  I think I have the dimensions.  If a trick,  a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv

also this looks like a dandy

http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf

Your posts aren't even related to this thread.. you should have started a new one.

Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 01:34:15 AM
i like this one. 

anyone else seen it?   Looks pretty good.  I think I have the dimensions.  If a trick,  a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv

also this looks like a dandy

http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf

very interesting, but yeah like the other person said, you should of started a new topic on this. if not i will. 

the guy is real

Quote from: mijdtr link=topic=8568.msg230242#msg230242
mlga impuls magnet motor/quote]

Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 09:02:26 PM
the guy is real

Quote from: mlga on September 03, 2010, 08:37:04 AM

Quote from: mijdtr link=topic=8568.msg230242#msg230242
mlga impuls magnet motor http://magnets-motor.blogspot.com/
/quote]

i traveled to tenn. to meet this guy and see his machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y

quite a lovable guy.  i used this bike   round trip: 1000 miles +

sorry if this in the wrong thread  this type of message board confuses me.  i thought the subject was magnet powered machines.

Quote from: mijdtr on September 04, 2010, 07:55:32 AM
i traveled to tenn. to meet this guy and see his machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y

quite a lovable guy.  i used this bike   round trip: 1000 miles +

Hi Mijdtr,

Would you mind going through these pages here when you have some time because it deals with Wendell's magnet motor:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9188.0

He deleted those videos referred to in the first pages of the link, so he has the videos what you already also know. It is very good you managed to visit him, and if you could share some additional news on his rebuilding process it would be very welcome in thread I show above. 
Member Gauschor has been in correspondence with him occasionally, latest news was about good 2 weeks ago, his rebuilding the setup. Perhaps he showed you his "shack" and his setup or said good news?

So if you do not mind, answer in the other thread on Wendell.

Thanks,  Gyula

PS Nice bike, what motor powers it?

ok  going to the other thread via the link provided now.   thanks gyulasun

joe

We strayed away here from the original discussion about Delk's perpetual pendulum. At present we have a little discussion about it at


http://www.overunity.com/1440/finsruds-perpetuum-mobile/105/#.USSgI44QPIc (http://www.overunity.com/1440/finsruds-perpetuum-mobile/105/#.USSgI44QPIc)


also check the previous string about this subject:


http://www.overunity.com/8555/pendulum-with-magnets-all-opposing/

I have designed a second replication.
The video is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM
please your comments..

Quote from: AnandAadhar on March 03, 2013, 08:33:04 AM
I have designed a second replication.
The video is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM)
please your comments..

B.t.w.see also this earlier failed attempt of someone else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxU3MjL35R0

Quote from: AnandAadhar on March 03, 2013, 08:33:04 AM
I have designed a second replication.
The video is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM
please your comments..

Very nice Build!
"Assistant not included"  :D

Quote from: AnandAadhar on March 03, 2013, 08:33:04 AM
I have designed a second replication.
The video is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QsWr5r7PM)
please your comments..

Very nice work, a piece of art. And the real refreshing part is that you did not claim OU.

How often or how long does it swing without an assistant?

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: conradelektro on March 03, 2013, 03:47:55 PM
Very nice work, a piece of art. And the real refreshing part is that you did not claim OU.

How often or how long does it swing without an assistant?

Greetings, Conrad

Unaided it stops within seconds, but maybe the thing is useful with a magnetmotor combined.

Some of you will be interested in seeing what PMs do here.
I have always said PMs can do work but then is the "stiky spot" and here I have a full escape of the "sticky spot" It took me abut 20 years with hundreds of assertions "It can't be done"
Finsrud did it....and me too.

https://youtu.be/FtriwaQC6Xk

The next step is to complete the circle...maybe next month if God wills.

Norman

Quote from: norman6538 on October 19, 2023, 09:47:57 PM
Some of you will be interested in seeing what PMs do here.
I have always said PMs can do work but then is the "stiky spot" and here I have a full escape of the "sticky spot" It took me abut 20 years with hundreds of assertions "It can't be done"
Finsrud did it....and me too.

https://youtu.be/FtriwaQC6Xk (https://youtu.be/FtriwaQC6Xk)

The next step is to complete the circle...maybe next month if God wills.

Norman

I'm obviously less knowledgeable with PM systems than you are.
Very short video with less than totally clear setup. It could be interpreted the PM is already within the attraction zone from its extreme starting position on the right.
Or is that a gravity assisted entry? Then we'd need to see a gain of height and true ability to extract itself from the array and move on to the next go-around?

The magnet is not in the range of attraction and has to be slowly pushed into that range. The intent is to create motion and escape. It travels about 150 degrees and is free to attract into the next sequence. At the same time there is free attraction and lifting of the plates but that work is very difficult to collect and requires "Clockmaker skills " which I do not have. The intent is to show the basic principle and encourage others to go to the bench and see what they can do also. In the past most people do not fully grasp the importance of the magnet escape.

Norman

I rechecked the level aspect with a water level (water in a clear tube) and it appears to be level but when I add some rise it gets stuck so there is just enough momentum to let it escape and no extra but along the way it does lift plates doing work.

Norman

Quote from: norman6538 on October 19, 2023, 09:47:57 PM
Some of you will be interested in seeing what PMs do here.
I have always said PMs can do work but then is the "stiky spot" and here I have a full escape of the "sticky spot" It took me abut 20 years with hundreds of assertions "It can't be done"
Finsrud did it....and me too.

https://youtu.be/FtriwaQC6Xk

The next step is to complete the circle...maybe next month if God wills.

Norman

Very nice work Norman! Congrats. This is substantial if accurate.

Keep us posted!

Quote from: norman6538 on October 19, 2023, 09:47:57 PM
Finsrud did it....and me too.

Is it really design his device?

Video of the Finsrud in motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEkK87m-2B8

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