At the time of this post the Steorn live demo that will show proof of over unity will take place in one hour. Here’s the local Dublin, Ireland time â€">
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=78 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=78)
The demo will take place at 16 GMT (4pm GMT). That is 8am PT.
Live streaming will take place on their home page, probably all 3 live cameras, but I always pick camera 3,
http://www.steorn.com (http://www.steorn.com/)
Cameras are up now, and it will be starting.
If this produced over unity, no imput power would be required after start up. Meaning it would run it's self after the first spin but yet it is requiring a steady input.
Something about this guy disturbs me.
So who will be the 1st to produce a self-runner? So far I've seen just two efficiency - COP measurements of the Orbo and any replications. One being Steorn's who just showed the R*I^2 scope shots that shows 320% efficiency. And the other is my measurements of my "tiny orbo replication," which showed 170% efficiency.
Such efficiency measurements are great, truly, well over 100% efficiency, but who will show the world the first undeniable self-runner? The only self-runner is Steorn's, but they use a 10000 mAh battery, which makes it not so obvious. Steorn claims their Orbo on display runs forever on that battery, but the relays malfuction after ~ a week, if I heard Sean correctly.
Will they be serving Orbonbons after the show?
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Mags
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 30, 2010, 11:39:23 AMSteorn claims their Orbo on display runs forever on that battery, but the relays malfuction after ~ a week, if I heard Sean correctly.
Forever on 1 battery would be awesome! Imagine today's electric cars which only have a range of approximate 100km (which is the main disadvantage of e-cars) and then need to be recharged - this technology would them let drive forever, or at least much much further. But then again... he said: "we are a commercial company"... so how likely is it that we will get soon cars powered by that technology? I hate to say it, but I don't believe it will gonna happen soon. How will a country milk money out of people then, if all cars run autonomously?
Quote from: gauschor on January 30, 2010, 12:13:50 PMso how likely is it that we will get soon cars powered by that technology?
IMO you *WILL* see "free energy" cars on the road *THIS YEAR!* And I'm talking about cars that will run 24/7, day & night, as long and far as you want to drive them without ever having to refuel or to wait for the Sun to come up to charge the solar cells. I'm talking about a legit "free energy" car. What is commonly meant by "free energy" is exactly what it says, the "energy" is free, not the machine. So it's not "free machine" technology. ;) Anyhow, I predict these first "free *energy*" cars will come from open-sourced devices where people will convert their car to an electric car, and then add a "free energy" device.
Quote from: gauschor on January 30, 2010, 12:13:50 PMHow will a country milk money out of people then, if all cars run autonomously?
Well, the economic system has always evolved over time. My friend, who is a salesman, said the economic system evolved nicely with the onslaught of increased sales people. He knows nothing about this website or ou research, but I asked him what would happen if there was global free energy. He said it would be no problem what so ever, as the system would quickly adapt.
Okay they make the negative part of the equation and I must prove the positive approach ?
Good !
My micro transporter THEKPV is just add the element by the way
8)
along with other tech, A transformer could be viewed as possible these days
sincerely
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 30, 2010, 10:02:39 AM
At the time of this post the Steorn live demo that will show proof of over unity will take place in one hour. Here’s the local Dublin, Ireland time â€">
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=78 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=78)
The demo will take place at 16 GMT (4pm GMT). That is 8am PT.
Live streaming will take place on their home page, probably all 3 live cameras, but I always pick camera 3,
http://www.steorn.com (http://www.steorn.com/)
I think I missed it what happened?
Don't buy this from these guys, if H-Orbo would run "forever' off of the battery why not start it with the battery and then replace it with a cap? This would prove it working (or not) beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You will never see this done- mylow would be proud!
I thought Sean made the demo measurements rather clear. The scope was connected to differential probes. The scope, and a rather expensive one at that, performed a simple well known & established equation to calculate power over time for the input and the output (pickup coils). The difference was no where near the iffy level. Clearly ~ 3 times output than input. The scope displayed a plot of power (vertical) versus time (horizontal).
The problem people are having is probably how Steorn built up this demo. People were expect to fall out of their seats! Maybe Steorn had plans to have an objective 3rd party perform live measurements, but they backed out at the last moment due to the highly crucifying nature of this topic. There are countless reasons one could think of. Why not ask Sean. At least they showed very simple measurements that showed over 300% efficiency.
BTW, is anyone here going to do their own measurements of the Steorn Orbo? At the end of yesterdays Talk Sean made it very clear that anyone can schedule to have access to the Steorn Orbo to do their own measurements with your own equipment or you can use Steorn's equipment.
That would be great if someone could do that and post the results here.
BTW, yesterday Steorn said they would release yesterdays Talks video today.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 31, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
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The problem people are having is probably how Steorn built up this demo. People were expect to fall out of their seats!
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Of course. When someone claims he found the perpetual motion, at least he should present a perpetual motion. :)
Sure I will not ask to check it by running the machine for ever, not even by running it without energy source -what would be indeed desirable-, but at least by running it for a much longer time than the energy source allows for conventional machines.
Steorn's mistake was that they gave the impression that they were going to "live stream" their motor running over time - this lead to the assumption that they were going to show a self runner over time.
They truly don't care what the average joe thinks, and that is fine - but they are willing to take the average joe's credit card for payment thank you very much.
Such a hard company (and person) to root for - not that he cares.
Did anyone see the last demo I guess I looked from the morning to night yesterday and was unable to view anything as promised ... This is really kinda loopy be nice if they would say weather technical issues have arose or what have you....
I wonder what is so hard about posting a video or if they are trying to make this thing harder then it seems so people don't replicate it for nothing and start generation of power on there own?
Sean McCarthy need to grow some balls and lay it out there is so much to gain if he would just distribute the design and base it off donations he would make the maximum amount of money possible if it works as said.
I think Steorn could improve relations with this community by offering a few SKDB memberships free to some folks. This could help them a lot in the end. Since the mainstream media still refuses to cover them (only ONE other article in a minor site besides Sterling's recent one has been seen so far ANYWHERE), they are going to need the maximum amount of public awareness they can get... Since obviously the corporate-owned mainstream media isn't going to help them out at all there, lol.
To be fair to them (as others have well-stated already), their particular business model is not about "us" here at all, or the general public. It is about getting manufacturing corporations to shell out Licensing Fees. But there are still millions of Engineers and many companies who have not even heard of this little device yet... So i would bet they expected more media reaction than they have gotten so far. And such a major shift for a company's entire future requires a lot of thought... Many will "chicken out" when it gets down to signing a check... Unless they feel confident it is a great move that their competitors will make instead, if they don't do it first. If they sense their competitors are going to sit it out and wait to see what happens... So will many who were considering it.
Are they being "black-balled" by the mainstream media? It would appear so. The only way they got around that last time was to take out the full-page ads.. Lol and that didn't pay in the end: It went horribly wrong, and 10,000 people died in the London disaster!
Just kidding!! .. to make the point that it wasn't such a huge deal to fail in the past as some make it out to be, conventional electronics companies screw-up by the numbers all the time). ;)
Or is the media simply now shy of them? In either event, what they need is Increased Credibility. One "cheap" way for them to do this is Independent Replications. But for this, they can't have their cake and eat it too: They need to let a little more info out to get a serious number of world-wide replications proving and verifying the effect going that will in turn help them gain greater Credibility, leading to improved perception by the general public and to greater media attention... Which leads in the end to more licensing Customers.
So this media "blackout", for whatever reason, causes a big problem for Steorn: It is an indicator to companies that can, and probably will with many imo, be taken as a warning to "Stay Away!!"
This is where offering a few free SKDB's could come in handy; to some of those replicating, and to those who plan on disseminating the info therein. It also helps incrementally with their general "public relations".
Face it, if they can't convince the free energy community, they are not going to convince "copper topped" engineers and academics; and they are even going to have problems selling Licensing Agreements if the general perception is not "positive".... no company wants to be scorned by peers for investing in something overly risky and "woo-woo" (or have to explain it to their stock investors should it all drop in the pot).
Some companies will go ahead and do so no matter what, but this means that assuming the ones that do, can engineer and get something to market in 3 years time which is probably a good estimate of what it will take (... and assuming the device is not STOPPED somehow from getting to market if it is "too good"), they will have to wait that entire 3 years to get a wider Customer Base; as the other Customer prospects "wait it out" to see if it really is valid, worth-while, and "allowed" by "The Powers That Be" or not (..because they sense that the media blackout could be an indicator of it not being "acceptable" to the status quo).
Having a whole slew of successful independent replications and validations to point to, could speed up this process by 2 years... As these replications, if handled properly, could gain some media attention and thus increase the total public awareness of the tech. These successes in turn would increase the "comfort factor" of the "decision-maker" corporate executives that are their prime target... Who are sitting on the fence because they still think it is too risky.
Of course they have the problem of possibly "letting too much out" then. But no matter what, the first day a device goes to market using this or another FE tech, it will be bought and reverse-engineered, and millions will soon know exactly how it all works anyway. So to me, this is hardly a valid worry... these are not "juicers" and "water filters" here... And the Wright Brothers could not stop Glen Curtiss from making a very similar flying machine (lol despite spending years in Court)... Some ideas just CANNOT be locked up in Patents no matter what you do ;)
These are not reflections on the validity of their technology at all; just observations that could happen to any company in a similar situation.
Just out of curiousity, has anyone analyzed the Steorn SKDB NDA or whatever agreements one must sign? I was wondering if Steorn guarantees that the Orbo produces excess energy or your money back.
Anyhow, long ago I've had this extremely vivid surreal realistic dream -->
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5240.msg144862#msg144862
I can't even begin to convey how realistic it was, and the deep clear message behind it. It was just a "knowing," no words required. This surreal dream had the overwhelming impression that this was my future company. So no offense to Sean, but I cannot join the SKDB. Otherwise I would join SKDB in a heartbeat.