I was thinking about something that may cause free energy to hit a brick wall...
At the moment the oil companies use dwindling supplies as a reason to ramp-up the price of the barrel, and the government use bullshit to ramp-up the taxes related to global warming. Am I right ?
Then what about Neo Magnets ?... I've often notice them referred to as "Rare Earth" magnets. If overunity does succeed to crush "Big Oil" then could the Rare Earth materials be synthesized in a lab ?, or will the magnet industry use the "Rare Earth" buzzword to make free energy systems as expensive as possible ?
Who said rare magnets are required ? if they rise price of metals like copper,aluminum or steel then we should start worry about ....
Quote from: Bulbz on February 10, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
At the moment the oil companies use dwindling supplies as a reason to ramp-up the price of the barrel, and the government use bullshit to ramp-up the taxes related to global warming. Am I right ?
I would like to correct you one point: The oil supply is not dwindling. Think of oil seeping out of the ground like a water spring. If the well is managed properly, it will keep producing oil. If mis managed, the well dries up.
Having said that, we still need a clean source of energy.
By manufacturing scarcity, all the countries that produce or handle oil benefit.
The Cinese government is already controlling the export of rear earth metals.
Google it, you will see the "war" for Rare-Earth Metals has already started.
example:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/08/china-all-your-rare-earth-metals-belong-to-us/
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article6860901.ece
The danger room. This sounds like a place to go and share a common paranoid dillusion with other people suffering a bad trip. Yep. Chineese definitely want all that titanium for armaments. They want it so they can build lightweight bikes and a decent infrastructure instead of the painted rust america's is turning into. Then there is Iran's space program. The danger room immediately converts this action into their bad trip. They want to get them there rockets out there in space so they can put neuclear war heads on them and drop them on those war mongers in israel. The fucking Gaza strip should be made into an international mental health treatment center for the dillusionally paranoid and their brainwashed victims who were forced to buy into their bad trip. I believe if big brother wants to do any scanning it should be scanning brainwave patterns for signs of mental disease. Mandatory testosterone level checks for anyone whose decisions affect the lives of millions if not billions. For goodness sake if you aint getting laid take care of that shit yourself and stop raging around like a couple of dogs after a bitch in heat.
Quote from: sparks on February 10, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
The danger room. This sounds like a place to go and share a common paranoid dillusion with other people suffering a bad trip. Yep. Chineese definitely want all that titanium for armaments. They want it so they can build lightweight bikes and a decent infrastructure instead of the painted rust america's is turning into. Then there is Iran's space program. The danger room immediately converts this action into their bad trip. They want to get them there rockets out there in space so they can put neuclear war heads on them and drop them on those war mongers in israel. The fucking Gaza strip should be made into an international mental health treatment center for the dillusionally paranoid and their brainwashed victims who were forced to buy into their bad trip. I believe if big brother wants to do any scanning it should be scanning brainwave patterns for signs of mental disease. Mandatory testosterone level checks for anyone whose decisions affect the lives of millions if not billions. For goodness sake if you aint getting laid take care of that shit yourself and stop raging around like a couple of dogs after a bitch in heat.
the fletcher memorial home for incurable tyrants and kings??
"ladies and gentlemen, please welcome reagan and haig
mr. begin and friend mrs. thatcher and paisley
mr. brezhnev and party
the ghost of mccarthy
the memories of nixon
and now adding colour a group of anonymous latin
american meat packing glitterati"
Enough with the meat Willy. After Sunday's debate with Cap I went to McDonald's and had a soy burger with meat added for flavoring. Didnt taste anything but the catsup and mustard heaped on it so this small transgression wont be turning me into a meataholic. Man I need a meeting.
Sparks,
Man I need a meeting.
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Me Too!
Chet
Quote from: sparks on February 10, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
After Sunday's debate with Cap I went to McDonald's and had a soy burger with meat added for flavoring. Didnt taste anything but the catsup and mustard heaped on it so this small transgression wont be turning me into a meataholic. Man I need a meeting.
Meet the cautionary tale of eating soya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSllzeO7UYk
Quote from: sparks on February 10, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
Enough with the meat Willy. After Sunday's debate with Cap I went to McDonald's and had a soy burger with meat added for flavoring. Didnt taste anything but the catsup and mustard heaped on it so this small transgression wont be turning me into a meataholic. Man I need a meeting.
enough with the meat? first off, sparks, i don't take orders from you or anyone. second, i think you misunderstood. what i posted was part of a song by pink floyd... in reference to this from your post. "The fucking Gaza strip should be made into an international mental health treatment center for the dillusionally paranoid and their brainwashed victims who were forced to buy into their bad trip."
you don't even know what they meant when saying 'anonymous latin american meat packing glitterati' do you? ::)
the fletcher memorial home references roger waters father's name, eric fletcher waters... a man who was sent to die out there in the war, a person who had nothing to do with the conflict, one of many people who really wanted no part of fighting but were doing it out of duty or whatever else was implanted in their minds by the politicians.
reagan and haig represent our government, mr. begin and friends are israel, mrs. thatcher and paisley represent britain, mr. brezhnev and party is the former u.s.s.r., mccarthy represents hatred, nixon represents corruption, and
the anonymous latin-american meat packing glitterati represents venezuela.
here is the entire song.
the fletcher memorial home by pink floyd from the final cut.
"take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
and build them a home a lttle place of their own
the fletcher memorial
home for incurable tyrants and kings
and they can appear to themselves every day
on closed circuit t.v.
to make sure they're still real
it's the only connection they feel
"ladies and gentelmen, please welcome reagan and haig
mr. begin and friends mrs. thatcher and paisley
mr. brezhnev and party
the ghost of mccarthy
the memories of nixon
and now adding colour a group of anonymous latin-
american meat packing glitterati"
did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
they can polish their medals and sharpen their
smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for a while
boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead
safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
with their favourite toys
they'll be good girls and boys
in the fletcher memorial home for colonial
wasters of life and limb
is everyone in?
are you having a nice time?
now the final solution can be applied "
Quote from: Bulbz on February 10, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
I was thinking about something that may cause free energy to hit a brick wall...
Sorry. This reply of mine turned into a bit of an epic. I guess I felt like writing and used this as an excuse to do so. So here's my short answer -
"I personally don't think rare-earth magnets are going to have much to do with whatever form of free-energy becomes available to us all. But if they do, and then we start running out of them, then yeah, you probably wouldn't even be allowed to own the stuff at all, even if you could afford it."
And here's the long one. Feel absolutely free to ignore it.
"Apparently China bought up most of the current Neodymium-supplying mines in the world a couple of years back. So when it comes to Neo magnets, they'd be a major controller of that.
But whether it's Neodymium, or silica, or water, or whatever, any commodity that becomes the new key ingedient in the maintaining and distributing of power (in every sense of the word) will be subject to the same misuses and abuses that oil has been subject to. The monopolizers will attempt to monopolize. That's what they do, that's all they know, all they care about. Some power groups may fall behind and others move to the fore as the actual means and mechanisms of power-maintenance naturally change, but it doesn't matter what the person on the ground ends up using, the power-mongers will be doing all they can to get inbetween the source and its final user.
The crazy thing is, the greedy bastards could still be raking it in, while allowing the use of renewable, clean, environmentally-friendly energy. Nothing would need to change in terms of how much money they can get out of us for using the resultant energy. In fact it would be more profitable for them than using oil or coal or Uranium. The trouble is, these 'powers-that-be' types are naturally gutless (personally that is, not when they can hide behind their authorities and institutions) and lacking in imagination (actual imagination, not just the ability to translate and extrapolate from what already is). They're manipulators, not creators, and so they have trouble coming up with things or ways that are actually new and not just an extension of what they've always done. Like rats, they'll jump from one ship to another, but someone else has to put that ship there for them to jump onto, and they won't move on until they've eaten their own children and everything else within reach and are up to their necks in the turning tide.
And, they're not united. The 'powers-that-be' are many different groups, all competing with each other as well as against the common good. It's not just 'Big Oil', or the 'military-industrial complex', or the UN, or whoever. It's all of them (including, ultimately, every individual, as we all have to deal with these same qualities within ourselves), sharing common, but conflicting, aims. They all want to be the king of the castle, and so they all set up their individual little (or big) domains or spheres of influence. But as yet, not even the most influentual alliances have been able to lockdown the whole planet.
Which is probably why we haven't seen free-energy in the mainstream yet. And won't, until the 'powers-that-be' have such a control over the population that hardly anyone goes down the do-it-yourself route, even if they could, and no-one cares if those that do are punished for doing so.
Just think about it, all the energy you'd ever need, just by manipulating water in a way that anyone could do. That won't be allowed until 'they' can control peoples access to water (or air, or whatever), and punish them for using it in an 'unauthorized' manner. At the moment that level of intrusion into peoples lives and fundamental human rights is still a fair ways off in the first world (albeit not unimaginable), and even further out of reach for the elites globally.
So...what am I saying?
I'm saying it's not a question of free-energy maybe hitting a brick wall. It's more accurate, in my opinion, to say, free-energy (in its technological form) was put up against the wall centuries ago, and it's still there, having it's face shoved into it, while those it would set free are being raped and pillaged in the background, as the fat cats running that particular show sit back and laugh their way into hell.
So don't worry about it. ;D
The changes that are taking place, which will allow 'free-energy', are taking place in such a way that every man woman and child will be afforded their true entitlement. And the meddlers will be included in that, to the degree that they simply won't be able to exist as such. There will be no more interference. The pre-energetic controls the flow of energy. Always did, always will. And the pretenders' lies, which never run as deep as that, are always destined to fail and be exposed and fall away, along with everything that's been built upon them, (which isn't much at all really).
A system has been set up which we've all been born into. And we've all been told and taught and conditioned from birth to believe in its almighty-ness. But it's a total farce. From top to bottom. And now, it's not just the emperor that has no clothes. The whole system the emperors were supposed to be running has no clothes. It was all just a criminal enterprise, designed and run by a bunch of pillagers and looters.
The question now is, do we all just go 'get some' too, and send ourselves back into the stone-age? Or do we dare to imagine what could have been done instead, and go do that?
There is still time. The age of waste can flow peacefully into the age of grace. But it can only be manifested through the individuals who allow that change to happen within themselves. No more lies. No more denial of the life. Just a lot more facing up, a lot more 'manning' up (in the best sense of the word) and a lot less turning away. The liars and deceivers are doomed, but the human race isn't. The shitful aspects of human nature are not to be ignored, in the individual or the species as a whole, but they are to be kept in their proper perspective. For the well-being of the whole.
Neither the best nor the worst aspects of the individual or species are at the central core of the species or individual. The life itself is at the center of all that lives. And that life, for us, is most clearly recognizable in the purest, most selfless forms of love we experience and share with one another. It's in aligning ourselves with that, and thereby automatically putting all else in its proper perspective, that we experience freedom. And there is no stopping that. Ever.
So there's your free-energy, your perpetual motion. It's already there. And 'they' can't touch it. And when enough people are ready to deal with that, by already having dealt with it within, it will be manifested for them in the machine-world too, and no-one will really give a shit, just taking it all in their stride, not stressing over its effects on the economy or how it could be misused or how to capitalize on it.
When the time is right, all these aborted, still-born, secreted-away-at-birth, illicit (black ops) attempts at free-energy will end and a healthy, viable, wondrous form will emerge, followed by lots of siblings. But they will not be born into slavery. At least I hope they won't, for the slave-masters' sakes. For they are meant to be free, those forms of free-energy, and heaven help anyone who tries to own them..."
Sigh. As they say, there is nothing as unstoppable as an idea whose time has come. And all it will take is that 100th monkey among us to have that idea/get a clue, and that's it. Born free, living free, sharing the loving life.
That is human nature, and all the bad behaviour in all of history, that people just use as an excuse to perpetuate that kind of behaviour, it all fits on the point of a pin, compared to the immensity of what we're all actually a part of. Just tap into that, any way you can, even if just for a second. And worry not. All is happening just as it should.
Les.
@Will
Like I was issuing one. I apologise for any confusion this may have created in your life experience. I would also like to thankyou for taking the time to set me straight. I will offer arguing the point for the sake of arguing the point belongs in highschool debate contests where such noble beasts like lawyers and politicians are bred. I do take the liberty from feeling compassion for these unenlightened beings from time to time. I perceive them as losing control of their animal instinct to dominate. Not having advanced beyond two male rams during rut season. This is not one of those times.
Quote from: sparks on February 11, 2010, 04:58:28 AM
@Will
Like I was issuing one. What I was doing was messing with ya. And may I add your true colors came shining through.
yeah... ::) are you getting in shape jumping to conclusions and backpedaling? and may i ask what colors would those be?
it would be really nice to get rid of polluted energies but the law of the conservation of energy is against you, there is no form of energy production which doesn't follow this rule. all energy is conserved. or have you been blatantly ignoring it because you have a gut feeling? science hasn't lied to you about the conservation of energy.
Energy will always try to come to rest no matter what. which is why there can be no true perpetual motion or perpetual energy devices. there is only efficiency but never perpetual.
it is the Law!
Willey
I modified that post after a little condideration The colors that I perceived are of no importance because they are only true to me from my perspective.
Quote from: sparks on February 11, 2010, 06:04:46 AM
Willey
I modified that post after a little condideration The colors that I perceived are of no importance because they are only true to me from my perspective.
indeed, as are my perceptions. misunderstandings happen all too often with this type of communication and all too often i am a bit terse with people. i easily could have been more descriptive with my first post to make it clearer i agreed with your ideas on the psychopaths, i assumed you (and other readers) would know the song and understand the reference.
one of floyds best...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dpyjvo3XWk
Science once told us that mass was mass and energy was energy. Then science told us mass could be changed into energy. Now science is telling us mass and energy are equivalent. I do know one thing. When you spill gasoline on your skin it burns. I will now advance an unproven scientific theory. Breathing the vapors in damages lung tissue.
Sparks
I am sure gasoline damages a lot more then "lung tissue"
Cutting edge
>Energy will always try to come to rest no matter what. which is why there can be no true perpetual motion or perpetual energy devices. there is only efficiency but never perpetual.
it is the Law!
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Perspective
I sit here a shimmering mass of motion [perhaps perpetual?]
typing on a machine [also shimmering]
drinking a cup of coffee[shim..] so as to feed all that shimmers in me.
Who feeds the little guys ?[atoms in all of the above and "every where"]
When do "they" get to come to "rest"??
Seems to me "all" is perpetual ?
and coming to "rest" is not an option!!
But that's just the way it is "from my perspective"
perpetually yours,
Chet
PS
and I do believe in "miracles"
Traveling through space [a very friendly place"NOT"] at Mach 97
spinning at 1000 mph swimming in a see of all things "perpetual"
Staring in to the eyes of my little grandchild
I do believe in Miracles
I'm ,we are living one!
"ALWAYS"
Perpetual miracles are the rule not the exception!
And of course nobodies in charge.
Cept a thousand monkeys!
Quote from: ramset on February 11, 2010, 06:40:47 AM
Perspective
I sit here a shimmering mass of motion [perhaps perpetual?]
typing on a machine [also shimmering]
drinking a cup of coffee[shim..] so as to feed all that shimmers in me.
Who feeds the little guys ?[atoms in all of the above and "every where"]
When do "they" get to come to "rest"??
do you eat food?!!! that's how 'you' get your energy.
Atoms do not move unless forced to move, you are looking at Atoms in the obsolete classical sense that violates the conservation of energy, you can't look at atoms, Neutrons, Protons and Electrons as little particles that perpetually revolve around each other because they don't, only theories that conserve the Atoms energy work in the real world, get out of your high school text book because it to is obsolete. classical mechanics is seriously flawed.
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Seems to me "all" is perpetual ?
and coming to "rest" is not an option!!
But that's just the way it is "from my perspective"
Planets revolve around their star because they have a lot of 'stored' energy in their orbit, when that stored energy runs out they will no longer revolve around their star. this is the same with galaxies which tend to have a serious amount of stored energy.
get off your classical mechanics because it is so childish to believe in it in the modern world simply because it violates the conservation of energy laws.
electrons don't revolve around an Atom, if they did they would violate the conservation of energy, instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law.
For the near future I think many scientific breakthroughs are going
to consist of producing solutions that don't require the availability
exotic or limited materials and removing restrictions from solutions
that do. Some of these will involve nanotech, some just haven't
been tried yet. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all
On the other hand, there are more reasons other than "peak oil" to
stop burning simple raw hydrocarbons, with exhaust to atmosphere,
like the conversion of motor vehicles from mechanical to electronic
solutions...Just wait for the "shrink" motors and batteries, ect.
If you say; "This will simply move carbon burning from engines
to power plants"
...then please read the rest of the web site...It won't.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Cutting edge
said
"instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law."
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So its a smear thing?[saves energy?]
sort of like perpetual peanut butter?
Holds all things together Always?
no energy used just a smear!
Since the poor guys can't eat how could they use energy?,the fellows that thought up the smear thing must be "Brilliant"
Okeedookeey!
Well I suppose we'll all have to talk out of our asses until the designer
tells us how its really done,
Oh Yes of course I forgot the "BANG"
Was that Bang the sound of the thousand monkeys "Banging" their heads against the wall?
Chet
PS
It must be a nice feeling to" know all that will ever be known"
NAHHH!!
PPS
Yeah I know the"Bang" ain't "Hip" anymore either,
Its all "Strings and Things" and puppy Dogs "Tales"
Or was that last week??
I forget?, these guys that "Know" everything Confuse me??[not hard:o}
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on February 11, 2010, 12:24:56 PM
electrons don't revolve around an Atom, if they did they would violate the conservation of energy, instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law.
really? can you demonstrate this experimentally?
laws are made to be broken, and you should call them what they really are... assumptions.
@Willey
Challenge is always an incentive used by great teachers. :)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on February 11, 2010, 09:13:58 PM
really? can you demonstrate this experimentally?
laws are made to be broken, and you should call them what they really are... assumptions.
this is what a single Hydrogen Atom would look like when the Electron is smeared across its orbit around the Nucleus. the only time an Electron becomes a point particle wave is when it is a 'free' particle wave.
Quote from: ramset on February 11, 2010, 05:48:11 PM
Cutting edge
said
"instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law."
-----------------------
So its a smear thing?[saves energy?]
sort of like perpetual peanut butter?
Holds all things together Always?
no energy used just a smear!
Since the poor guys can't eat how could they use energy?,the fellows that thought up the smear thing must be "Brilliant"
Okeedookeey!
Well I suppose we'll all have to talk out of our asses until the designer
tells us how its really done,
Oh Yes of course I forgot the "BANG"
Was that Bang the sound of the thousand monkeys "Banging" their heads against the wall?
Chet
PS
It must be a nice feeling to" know all that will ever be known"
NAHHH!!
PPS
Yeah I know the"Bang" ain't "Hip" anymore either,
Its all "Strings and Things" and puppy Dogs "Tales"
Or was that last week??
I forget?, these guys that "Know" everything Confuse me??[not hard:o}
you really don't understand, Physics is the revealing of what your god has done or in my case what nature has done, Physics knows a hell of a lot more than you about what 'your' god has done. don't push religion on me because it was one of my studies. I know the boxing ring of religion very well.
your god left you no perpetual motion and or perpetual energy for you to find for simply believing in it.
if there is a god, nobody on this planet would have a clue about it. and not your little sect either. nor no book.
have I set your ass on fire yet, if not I can. as a theologists I can say one thing is true, everything is made of light at various energies which is mention in Genesis, in the beginning there was light. for all things that have an anti-particle can be broken down into light during annihilation. this I can prove. are you going to tell me something I don't already know due to Physics and religion?
there are many theories but only one can be right!
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on February 11, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
this is what a single Hydrogen Atom would look like when the Electron is smeared across its orbit around the Nucleus. the only time an Electron becomes a point particle wave is when it is a 'free' particle wave.
you didn't answer my question at all... i didn't ask what a single H atom would look like, ::) i asked if you could demonstrate your claim experimentally.
i'll take your refusal to answer as a tacit admission that no, you can't demonstrate what you claimed experimentally and in fact, what you claimed is simply an assumption.
a point particle wave... LOL. since you sidestepped answering my previous question, can you experimentally demonstrate this new claim?
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on February 11, 2010, 12:24:56 PM
electrons don't revolve around an Atom, if they did they would violate the conservation of energy, instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law.
Quote from: ramset on February 11, 2010, 05:48:11 PM
Cutting edge
said
"instead they smear themselves around the Atom so they don't have to move! all particles must obey this law."
-----------------------
So its a smear thing?[saves energy?]
sort of like perpetual peanut butter?
Holds all things together Always?
no energy used just a smear!
Since the poor guys can't eat how could they use energy?,the fellows that thought up the smear thing must be "Brilliant"
Okeedookeey!
Ahhh... So that's why a dog turd stinks more after somebody has stepped in it ! ;D
Edge
Religion??
Thats like the smear bulbz mentions above,
To study does not equal to "know"
Most times it is just to "touch"
But don't touch the peanut butter![especially not the religious kind mentioned above]
Perpetually yours [otherwise I wouldn't be here!!]
Chet