I have invented a device to mechanically harness the super strong Neodymium Magnets. In simple terms this device uses a command magnet that activates a working magnet to turn a flywheel. The challenge has been, "how do you move the command magnet away from the working magnet once the magnets are nearly touching?" Conventional wisdom says that over unity is not possible.. and I agree with that. A generator won't run an electric motor.. a fan on a sailboat won't propel the boat by blowing into the sail., and using a pair of magnets won't work for a power source because it takes so much energy to move the magnet after the work. This has been my focus.. 'how to decrease the force needed to move the command magnet, and use the energy of the working magnet. I've combined 5 concepts or characteristics of the way these magnets interact.. and, I'm delighted to say "it works". I've tamed the working magnet.
Now that I've got the way to design a power booster, I need something to put it on. I've chosen the human powered machines because they are already in place, very light & for the most part are being developed by people that think outside the box. I've got 5 years of hair pulling research behind me, and have heard it all.. perpetual motion, over unity, violating laws.. etc.. but, this does not fall in those groups. I've been told that my permanent magnets don't have energy, only force.. so? Put your finger between them and see what several hundred pounds of force feels like.. I've got the model... I can put out more power than the power I put into moving the command magnet. I believe that this can be added on to any number of vehicles, where the operator feels a little more work than just peddling, because of the manipulation of the command magnets, but will get a nice boost of power as if there were another person helping pedal.
Any suggestions for the most likely vehicle or company to work with in this research?
thanks
Quote from: George Jetsgo on February 17, 2010, 07:07:32 PM
I have invented a device to mechanically harness the super strong Neodymium Magnets. In simple terms this device uses a command magnet that activates a working magnet to turn a flywheel. The challenge has been, "how do you move the command magnet away from the working magnet once the magnets are nearly touching?" Conventional wisdom says that over unity is not possible.. and I agree with that. A generator won't run an electric motor.. a fan on a sailboat won't propel the boat by blowing into the sail., and using a pair of magnets won't work for a power source because it takes so much energy to move the magnet after the work. This has been my focus.. 'how to decrease the force needed to move the command magnet, and use the energy of the working magnet. I've combined 5 concepts or characteristics of the way these magnets interact.. and, I'm delighted to say "it works". I've tamed the working magnet.
Now that I've got the way to design a power booster, I need something to put it on. I've chosen the human powered machines because they are already in place, very light & for the most part are being developed by people that think outside the box. I've got 5 years of hair pulling research behind me, and have heard it all.. perpetual motion, over unity, violating laws.. etc.. but, this does not fall in those groups. I've been told that my permanent magnets don't have energy, only force.. so? Put your finger between them and see what several hundred pounds of force feels like.. I've got the model... I can put out more power than the power I put into moving the command magnet. I believe that this can be added on to any number of vehicles, where the operator feels a little more work than just peddling, because of the manipulation of the command magnets, but will get a nice boost of power as if there were another person helping pedal.
Any suggestions for the most likely vehicle or company to work with in this research?
thanks
COOL... I think that's similar to an idea I had with actuators and magnets, but I never put into practice.
Are you saying that you have an actual physical working model ?. If so, have you got pictures and/or video footage ?
I tried using an actuator, solenoid, electro magnet and about everything else up to a sledgehammer. Nothing worked well, because the magnet was so hard to move. I'm using some 150 pounders, and when they are nearly touching, it takes a lot of energy to move them apart. I knew that in order to make this work, I needed help from somewhere.. and it came to me one morning when it was still dark outside. It was too simple. I jumped out of bed and started drawing. This was last March. Now this device is complete. It is not patented yet, so I can not show the photos and I can only speak in general terms of how it works. It has been very expensive to construct. I now need to find someone or a group, that would be willing to help me build the next model. Using my design concepts, I want to build this onto a recumbent trike or small 4 wheel cart. I know that the energy a cyclist puts into a pedal will be enough to manipulate huge magnets and will produce more than what a conventional pedal system will transfer to the wheels. Getting interest for this has been harder than solving the magnet lock obstacle.
easy think of a wheel two magnets facing opposite poles but slightly offset once they get close the repulsion force increases but don't have them directly over till the push off or up stroke think of how a sterling motor works... this is just one way I am sure there are plenty of others!
The idea I had is as folows...
(1) About 36 sliding actuator rods are placed within guides on a round plate in a daisy-wheel configuration.
(2) Magnets are placed on the outer ends of the rods.
(3) A four-lobed cam is set in the middle of the daisy-wheel, and the spline pokes through the back of the plate.
(4) An outer hub with magnets around the outer edge is mounted on the front of the whole assembly. This hub also has a spline attached to the outside.
The the inner cam is turned by means of input to the back spline, this in turn causes the rods to push the magnets in opposition to the magnets on the outer hub.
It's a bit like a snooker cue hitting a ball... A longer cue will transfer the same amount of linear movement as a shorter cue.
Unlike pairs of gears where one turns a greater angle than the other one, the outer hub turns the same angle as the inner one but applies more torque to its spline, due to the force being controlled from the center and applied to the outer edge and producing more torque to the output spline than the torque being applied to the input spline.
Now that I've cleared that up, is that similar to your idea George ?
Your concept is not similar to mine. Sounds interesting though.
I have made several models, and no matter how I sliced it, the machines did not work because the attracting magnets did not want to let go and the opposing magnets would not let you get there.
My breakthrough came when I discovered how to 'encourage' the magnets to 'let go and get there', effectively will little effort.
good luck
Quote from: George Jetsgo on February 17, 2010, 09:31:03 PM
I tried using an actuator, solenoid, electro magnet and about everything else up to a sledgehammer. Nothing worked well, because the magnet was so hard to move. I'm using some 150 pounders, and when they are nearly touching, it takes a lot of energy to move them apart. I knew that in order to make this work, I needed help from somewhere.. and it came to me one morning when it was still dark outside. It was too simple. I jumped out of bed and started drawing. This was last March. Now this device is complete. It is not patented yet, so I can not show the photos and I can only speak in general terms of how it works. It has been very expensive to construct. I now need to find someone or a group, that would be willing to help me build the next model. Using my design concepts, I want to build this onto a recumbent trike or small 4 wheel cart. I know that the energy a cyclist puts into a pedal will be enough to manipulate huge magnets and will produce more than what a conventional pedal system will transfer to the wheels. Getting interest for this has been harder than solving the magnet lock obstacle.
George:
I may be able to help. A lot of technical expertise in this area, as well as a fully equipped fab shop and testing lab, along with 2D and 3D simulations, including dynamics (mass, inertia, accelerations, spring constants etc.).
See my website:
http://qdmechanic.com/
And if you would, please contact me from at the email address there.
Yes, getting valid ideas funded is tricky, but the key is a working demonstration, or independant validation.
I can help on all these fronts, and if there is a working model, which can be demonstrated to produce a "gain" as you indicate, then overcoming the major hurdle of obtaining the resources to move forward is in hand.
However, while I have many examples of gains measured on the bench, I remain a tad skeptical as soooo many persons making such claims have not measured correctly!
There ARE ways to break Nature's tendancy to be reciprocal (in = out), but while you might have say 10 ways to do it, there are 10 million to not do it, or fail to achieve more output than input.
I am fine with NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) to have an independent look at your concept and attempt to verify it in simulation as a start. But we should talk privately about details and expectations.
Thanks,
DMBoss (QDMechanic.com)
George.
Its "your Baby"
This forum is more for folks looking to "Share" ways to make this planet a better place.
Sounds like you worked hard on this.
SOO??
People work hard every day,and they don't get to change the world!
You might??
Raising your Baby by your self ain't easy [but you will do it]
If you expect it to take care of you ?you may find the "Window" has passed you by?
Chet
PS
sounds like you have a power multiplier
Wind power is the first place I think of to benifit
Get exercise and"Playtime" out of your head Bud, this world needs solutions to "REAL" problems
Quote from: George Jetsgo on February 17, 2010, 07:07:32 PM
I have invented a device to mechanically harness the super strong Neodymium Magnets. In simple terms this device uses a command magnet that activates a working magnet to turn a flywheel. The challenge has been, "how do you move the command magnet away from the working magnet once the magnets are nearly touching?" Conventional wisdom says that over unity is not possible...
Depending on your definition of overunity, conventional wisdom is wrong.
I can do no better than refer you to Patrick:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
Quote from: George Jetsgo on February 17, 2010, 07:07:32 PM
I have invented a device to mechanically harness the super strong Neodymium Magnets....
<-snip->
Any suggestions for the most likely vehicle or company to work with in this research?
thanks
@Jetsgo
What I would recommend is building, at low cost, the following
device:
Find out what this device can do, then insert your energy
amplifier between the motor and the generator. The same
way that Watts=Volts times Amperes for electrical energy.
Watts = constant * Torque times RPM's for mechanical energy.
You need to prove your unit provides energy gain because if it
just provides gain of torque alone or RPM's alone we don't need
it, because quite frankly, we already have gears.
This would allow you to quote the energy gain for your device.
In either case you will win because this device either produces
overunity energy itself and your invention will cause it to produce
more, or else your invention will push it over the line to have its
initial energy gain.
Quote from: joe tomicki on February 05, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
Just built this 500watt scooter moter 24v driving a car generator charging 10 12v golf cart batt. and a 5000watt inverter to power what you want . and charge the 24v batt. pack off the 10 batt.
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on February 06, 2010, 08:01:08 PM
Neat Idea.
Just for reference would you go with a chain or belt driven motor?
http://www.electricscooterparts.com/motors.html
What type of car alternator would you use that has minimal cogging?
Thanks
Quote from: mscoffman on February 07, 2010, 01:32:29 PM
Good reference for motorscooter motors, Thank you. 12Vdc Car Alternators
are generally 400watts or 800watts for heavyduty. There are truck
alternators with even higher ratings. Alternators are actually 3phase AC
generators with a diode set setup to produce 12Vdc. Remember car/truck
alternators require a 12Vdc Regulator either independent, or built-in to
keep batteries charged. Regulators set the field coil current levels to
the alternator based on battery voltage and external demand levels.
Obviously a 400watt max alternator should not cog a 500W motor
to a standstill. The Alternator will then brake the motor only enough
to charge the 12V batteries back up. Lift truck, golfcart, and trolling
boat motor batteries are called "deep cycle discharge" batteries, do
not use normal car batteries as they are not deep cycle discharge.
It would be interesting to know the optimum gearing or belt pulley ratio
(diameter) he used to link the two units to maximize efficiency.
Quote from: mscoffman on February 11, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
A pictorial reference for a car alternator;
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter2.pdf
...pages 57 through 81
The alternator used in above reference has a built in
battery regulator. With apologies for the off topic posts.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on February 18, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
You need to prove your unit provides energy gain because if it
just provides gain of torque alone or RPM's alone we don't need
it, because quite frankly, we already have gears.
With all due respect... Yes we have gears, but George is talking about a device where the output rotates the same amount of degrees as the input. Even if it's not overunity, it could still prove to be more efficient than gearing down.
I'm in the process of building my workshop at the moment. When I have done that, I will have a go at building my idea.
I will post the result back here when I have done that 8)
Quote from: Bulbz on February 18, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
With all due respect... Yes we have gears, but George is talking about a device where the output rotates the same amount of degrees as the input. Even if it's not overunity, it could still prove to be more efficient than gearing down.
Gears are nearly 100% efficient, and N degrees in four seconds
is angular velocity just as RPM's is angular velocity but if
he increases torque not at the expense of angular velocity
then that is gain and gain is overunity, assuming all he has
is permanent magnets, no other fuel nor a motor and so on.
He can't get around things by making claims that imply energy
gain, then deny that he has gain, so he might as well jump
into the overunity fray now,
especially if he has something
that works. He is going to have to come clean if he tries
to market his invention to those companies as they will
already know these facts.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on February 18, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Gears are nearly 100% efficient, and N degrees in four seconds
is angular velocity just as RPM's is angular velocity but if
he increases torque not at the expense of angular velocity
then that is and gain is overunity, assuming all he has
is permanent magnets, no other fuel nor a motor and so on.
He can't get around things by making claims that imply energy
gain, then deny that he has gain, so he might as well jump
into the overunity fray now, especially if he has something
that works. He is going to have to come clean if he tries
to market his invention to those companies as they will
already know these facts.
:S:MarkSCoffman
I do see your point.
Also, if the shafts are rotating at the same speed, does that mean that it cannot be run as a closed-loop system ?. It seems like it could be classed as overunity, but definitely not perpetual motion. So George could be on for a winner, if he approaches the right people.
Quote from: Bulbz on February 18, 2010, 07:05:22 PM
I do see your point.
Also, if the shafts are rotating at the same speed, does that mean that it cannot be ran as a closed-loop system ?. It seems like it could be classed as overunity, but definitely not perpetual motion. So George could be on for a winner, if he approaches the right people.
@Bulbz
Let me at it if it is a torque amplifer...But, yes one could take advantage
of it with a crankshaft or those sun gears or whatever they are called.
I tend to think in terms of electronics but there are mechanical analogs
to almost everything electronic. One could make it a selfrunner with
the mechanical analog of a capacitor. Real overunity machines would
require full extraction and the disposition of the excess energy into
heat in a dynamometer kind of arrangement.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Fellas,
LarryC posted something "very" similar here!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8796.msg229439#new
Less than 5 watts in gives over 100 watts out.
watch the Vids
I think we're gonna build it!!
Chet