http://www.bloomenergy.com/
The 'Bloom box' from Bloom Energy promises to provide clean energy for offices, as well as homes.
See the website is doing a count down to zero. I wonder
what is going to happen in 1.5 hrs? Guess I will have to stay
up and watch.
Hard to believe that the power companies have not tried
to stonewall this guy. Gen unit in my back yard and disconnect
them. Is it going to be priced to make it worth changing over?
thay
Why would they, it still needs fuel to operate which they control.
Exactly. They get away calling themselves "greener" but the only thing making them greener is money. I would not be surprised if the oil barons allowed this one to pass so they can have an "I'm green" excuse and continue to suck oil and gas out of earth like vampires. The people who actually think this technology is "promising" need to drink some bleach, maybe that will unclog their brains.
Stay away from main stream science and technology, unless you want to join the greed and corruption feast making billions of people suffer or employing sweatshops for your addiction with green toilet paper.
It is a glorified Catalytic Converter. It cost 400million to develop along with assistance from the us department of energy . I am sure that the US taxpayer wont see a dime from the assistance lent by the us department of energy.
(US department of damage control for fossil fuel exploitation). It runs on fossil fuels. I know a team of Cuban auto mechanics that could have thrown this thing together in a week for about 2grand and have your exhuast system charging up your battery and get rid of the pesky alternator. For a little bit more they would throw on a couple of resonator pipes that power up piezo elements that power some thump system for your favorite cd.
It would be great if they could divuldge the dye types they use, I imagine they really are using precious metals or something.
Broccoli juice maybe?
Sparks is pretty much right, it is a Catalytic converter cracking light gas using thermoelectric to generate power. they built this thinking gas is cheaper? all it is doing is staying on course with fossil fuels of another sort.
This is going to be BIG. VERY B I G ! The inventor claims it will run on landfill gas, biogas (from decomposing plants or septic gas), and natural gas. I have all the biogas I'll ever need and yes, I'm talking about my crap...and it does indeed stink.
Quote from: OscarMeyer on February 25, 2010, 01:03:56 AM
This is going to be BIG. VERY B I G ! The inventor claims it will run on landfill gas, biogas (from decomposing plants or septic gas), and natural gas. I have all the biogas I'll ever need and yes, I'm talking about my crap...and it does indeed stink.
Wow! Just WOW!
Elvis has left the building!
It is a step in the right direction. It is cheaper than the grid we are all slaves to now.
If someone has a better alternative other than solar or wind power, then let's hear it. I'm going to save as much as I can when it comes to energy costs.
So who will be first to offer a better WORKING and PROVEN device? (BTW: it looks similar to Dr. Schwartz technology)
Blooming Hell! This blooming Bloom Box really blooms with potential!
English-English is really a great language...
For those who seem to be a little negative on the idea of using our domestic US methane then this short article might shed some light on why this is a good step in the right direction of distributive power generation:
Methane Fuel Cell
Why in the heck would you use H2 when you can use methane? Hydrogen isn't readily available, and is extremely hard to transport and store with current technologies. Hydrogen is 100% clean but still out of the grasp of current technology to harness. My idea is cleaner than octane and more efficient but not as good as hydrogen, still would help aide the development of technologies that will be necessary for hydrogen.
Take Methane and make a fuel cell that adds oxygen to the CH4 and generate electricity + 4 water molecules and 1 carbon dioxide molecule. This is much cleaner than octane and more efficient. Methane takes up much less space than hydrogen and would be more practical to store in fuel tanks. You could also make more methane in the future using algae, biomass, human sewage, and landfill gas. As well you could use nuclear power and electrolysis to make methane out of the carbon dioxide in the air and water. The methane could be readily accessed from your natural gas line to your home and could power up the fuel cell in your house to provide electricity in your house. You would use this electricity to power your house when electrical demand is high such as in the summer during the day to save the power plants from being overwhelmed.
Who cares about how clean it is, what is really important is having an alternative to buying a lot of petroleum from terrorist states. Now you can buy a little bit. As well this is a step forward to H2 fuel cells.
â€" JoeLounsbury, Feb 24 2004 Source: Halfbakery.com
Quote from: PCB on February 25, 2010, 09:03:51 PM
For those who seem to be a little negative on the idea of using our domestic US methane then this short article might shed some light on why this is a good step in the right direction of distributive power generation:
Methane Fuel Cell
Why in the heck would you use H2 when you can use methane? Hydrogen isn't readily available, and is extremely hard to A and store with current technologies. Hydrogen is 100% clean but still out of the grasp of current technology to harness. My idea is cleaner than octane and more efficient but not as good as hydrogen, still would help aide the development of technologies that will be necessary for hydrogen.
Take Methane and make a fuel cell that adds oxygen to the CH4 and generate electricity + 4 water molecules and 1 carbon dioxide molecule. This is much cleaner than octane and more efficient. Methane takes up much less space than hydrogen and would be more practical to store in fuel tanks. You could also make more methane in the future using algae, biomass, human sewage, and landfill gas. As well you could use nuclear power and electrolysis to make methane out of the carbon dioxide in the air and water. The methane could be readily accessed from your natural gas line to your home and could power up the fuel cell in your house to provide electricity in your house. You would use this electricity to power your house when electrical demand is high such as in the summer during the day to save the power plants from being overwhelmed.
Who cares about how clean it is, what is really important is having an alternative to buying a lot of petroleum from terrorist states. Now you can buy a little bit. As well this is a step forward to H2 fuel cells.
â€" JoeLounsbury, Feb 24 2004 Source: Halfbakery.com
I am glad to see that I am NOT the ONLY person who sees the significance of this NEW fuel cell technology. This is different from the inefficient hydrogen fuel only fuel cells of the past that would not run on alternative gaseous fuels.
Oscar
Quote from: OscarMeyer on February 26, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
I am glad to see that I am NOT the ONLY person who sees the significance of this NEW fuel cell technology. This is different from the inefficient hydrogen fuel only fuel cells of the past that would not run on alternative gaseous fuels.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
thats not perfectly true.
AFAIK are conventional FuelCells working with various Gases as well.
The only issue is the membrane which has to be very "fine" when in use with hydrogen.
But i do see the advantage in blooms approach to get rid of the grid.
Later on, the "fuel" may be an easy subject to change into "green" and zero emissions.
best,
sushi
He should manufacture a minicell which can be powered by cigarette lighter fluid ( butane ) ...perhaps he could make something small to demonstrate the electricity at work powering a remote controlled vehicle ( RC Car ) or something like this.
looks awfully large and clunkey!
lol
what more could i say ...
snooooorrrrrrr
ist!
Quote from: jadaro2600 on February 26, 2010, 10:16:35 AM
He should manufacture a minicell which can be powered by cigarette lighter fluid ( butane ) ...perhaps he could make something small to demonstrate the electricity at work powering a remote controlled vehicle ( RC Car ) or something like this.
Totally ACK :)
A home unit about the size of an external air conditioning unit would be nice. With net metering excess power could be put onto the grid. The unit would likely pay for itself fairly quickly. For those with septic systems one could imagine installing some kind of methane capture device - new industry, new jobs for contractors. I wonder what the electrical power output is per liter of gas?
The home unit is rather milk carton sized, and looks pretty heavy. It's been on the news, Youtube has it.
I am a sceptic, but would love to be convinced. I see an engine, albeit a clean one, running on fuel. It's the future the oil companies want. They can keep sucking the juice out of mother earth, charge high prices (especially if Bloom technology is more economical).
One but : how are we going to get that one CO2 (strating from a CH4) molecule past the Al Gore Gang? Oh, I know: they'll tax us for it, and do nothing with the taxes but taking it off the cash market.
If it outputs water and CO2...is that soda water from Methane?
I hope this "out there" stuff will soon be rolled out, and open doors (purses and subsedies) for the stuff we see researched on this website. From the little I read on Bloom so far, it feels like a hybrid technology. It gives a taste of what's possible, and should give us confidence to dare reach that far.
i don't get it.why are so many ppl so enthusiast about this thing? it's not a new tech (this type of gas fuel cell tech was probed and used 20 years ago) and it's definitively not green.
when do you learn that all it counts is money and in order to get as much one can get all you need is not love but marketing. it's a pr game.that's it. nothing more
The only useful thing this device prooves is that you can convert thermal energy into electrical energy. If the glorified catalytic converter worked at below room temperatures that would be exciting. Then you wouldnt need any fuel at all. Below is a link to an implosion engine. 100 percent green. You pull into a fueling station dump the fertilizer and off you go with some ammonia and water. Worst case sceanario is when there is an accidental spill of fuel there may be an algae bloom to deal with if it gets into the storm drain system. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/3975914/description.html