a quote from this website: http://amasci.com/viselect/viselect.html
he built a simple current visualizer
See what these devices teach? Here's a list.
The concepts are somewhat (ahem) shocking.
If electrons are the "carriers" of charges of electricity;
if electrons are "particles of electricity," then...
In an AC wire, the electricity sits in one place and vibrates back and forth.
All conductors are already full of electricity. Electricity is supplied by the metal.
Wires act like water pipes which are always full of water.
The word "Conductor" means the same as "contains movable electricity."
Electricity is not produced by batteries or generators, it flows THROUGH.
Electricity is not consumed by motors or light bulbs, it all just goes through.
Electricity does not flow at the speed of light. It flows quite slowly.
Capacitors don't store any electricity (they store EM energy.)
Individual electrons don't carry the electrical energy.
Electricity is not a form of energy.
Electric current is not a flow of energy.
Circuits are like drive belts, not like strings of coal-cars.
Electric energy and charges of electricity are two different things.
I do not disagree at all. Check out the earth battery/EER topics and you will see that we have found this out for ourselves. Very good point.
Bill
[ author=Pirate88179 link=topic=9011.msg236589#msg236589 date=1270622152] earth /EER [/quote]
earth battery???how this relates(i'll see)
surprising
thanks
Quote from: shimondoodkin on April 05, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
a quote from this website: http://amasci.com/viselect/viselect.html
he built a simple current visualizer
See what these devices teach? Here's a list.
The concepts are somewhat (ahem) shocking.
If electrons are the "carriers" of charges of electricity;
if electrons are "particles of electricity," then...
In an AC wire, the electricity sits in one place and vibrates back and forth.
All conductors are already full of electricity. Electricity is supplied by the metal.
Wires act like water pipes which are always full of water.
The word "Conductor" means the same as "contains movable electricity."
Electricity is not produced by batteries or generators, it flows THROUGH.
Electricity is not consumed by motors or light bulbs, it all just goes through.
Electricity does not flow at the speed of light. It flows quite slowly.
Capacitors don't store any electricity (they store EM energy.)
Individual electrons don't carry the electrical energy.
Electricity is not a form of energy.
Electric current is not a flow of energy.
Circuits are like drive belts, not like strings of coal-cars.
Electric energy and charges of electricity are two different things.
Yep mater is pure energy , what is already there ? Can you feel it 1 g ?
The compass agree with it.
Lightning is an Electricity.
Electricity is a form of light.
E=MC2
Therefore electricity is a part to make energy.
Electricity is some kind of an unbalanced state force seeking for neutral to make energy.
Therefore something is moving when seeking for neutral, and as it moves, it creates energy.
Tito:
But, energy can not be created, only transformed or converted right? So, anything we do to "create" energy is only merely transforming it. This would include generators and everything else.
Just my thoughts. I am no authority on this for sure.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2010, 04:15:56 AM
Tito:
But, energy can not be created, only transformed or converted right? So, anything we do to "create" energy is only merely transforming it. This would include generators and everything else.
Just my thoughts. I am no authority on this for sure.
Bill
i am no authority also, but i think if it is in under your control when you want to show it, i think you are energy creator. regardless of how it was done as long as it is under your control or decision. energy can be created. ;D
Here is my personal theory of what electricity is.
All matter is made out of tiny charged particles. In a molecule those charges is randomly ordered.
Each charge is a tiny voltage dipole. This also holds true for an inductor. When we connect a
battery to the conductor then the random order goes to be an ordered event.
All the charge dipoles will now point in the same direction. The time it take to order (or align)
the charge is the material is very short. The conductivity of a material is the materials ability to
align those small voltage dipoles. If it is hard to align the voltage dipoles then it can be said that
the material is an insulator. So resistance is the materials ability to align the voltage dipoles.
The harder it is to align the higher resistance in the material and the lower energy is wasted to
get the alignment. In a perfect insulator no energy is wasted as heat.
Each voltage dipole has its own magnetic field at 90 degrees to the voltage dipole.
So when we align the dipoles we also align all the magnetic fields thus creating a magnetic field around the conductor.
G.
Maybe I missed something, but only a total retard would assume there is no energy in mass.
Just because I like to play devil's advocate to piss people off, I will argue against your position. You claim that electricity may convey energy but it is not itself a form of energy, and according to you, electrons are the basic "unit" of electricity.
Well I've got news for you. Anything that has mass, has energy. Mass is a form of energy. So if you say electrons ARE electricity, then electricity is a form of energy. Of course, turning electrons from energy-containing particles of matter into, say, electromagnetic radiation, is another matter. But the thing is, just gathering a nonzero amount of charge of the same polarity from being infinitely diffuse to all being relatively in one place REQUIRES energy, because that charge is of like polarity and so exerts a self-repulsive force that tends to force itself apart. Some say that the source of rest mass OF an electron is in fact the energy needed to force the basic unit of charge, the charge of an electron, into a ball equal in size to that of an electron. Which means among other things, that an electron is much bigger than, say, a muon, which has the same charge as, but 100 times the mass of, an electron. It takes more energy to force the charge of a muon down to a smaller size and so it has more mass. And thus a proton, being more massive and also having the same charge, would be smaller still, except that it is comprised of other particles that relate to each other with forces other than the electromagnetic force.
But also your view that the basic unit of electricity is an electron is a flawed and oversimplistic idea. An electron is, by itself, no more a single unit of electricity, than is, say, a single carbon atom, by itself, a single unit of a mind. You can build a living brain out of a collection of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur, calcium, phosphorus atoms and potassium, sodium, and chloride ions, but a single atom of any such substance is not a single indivisible unit of "a soul". Electricity is not just the electrons themselves, but their interactions with each other, and with the electric and magnetic fields and electromagnetic waves they generate. Not just the electrons themselves. If your idea was correct, the field of electrical engineering would be a very simple one: the study of the electron.
OMG, ofcourse electricity is a form of energy. Everything is a form of energy because everything is made up of energy. Nothing is solid and everything is vibrant. Vibrance is energy which is always being created and does eventually fade away, It can however be canceled out and or even create new energy when introduced to other vibrance. Vibrance is also resistance and therefore everything is not only a form of energy but it also a form of resistance.
Quote from: nightlife on May 26, 2010, 08:40:12 AM
OMG, ofcourse A is a form of energy. Everything is a form of energy because everything is made up of energy. Nothing is solid and everything is vibrant. Vibrance is energy which is always being created and does eventually fade away, It can however be canceled out and or even create new energy when introduced to other vibrance. Vibrance is also resistance and therefore everything is not only a form of energy but it also a form of resistance.
No! ;D
Electricity is like water when it is in balance state it doesn't have energy but if you will try to move it and make it fall down then it can rotate a turbine right? there the energy was created!. so therefore if electricity is in balance state therfore it is in a discharge state and if you can separate the charge then it will seek for balance and as it moves it produces energy right?
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on May 28, 2010, 05:04:28 AM
No! ;D
Electricity is like water when it is in balance state it doesn't have energy but if you will try to move it and make it fall down then it can rotate a turbine right? there the energy was created!. so therefore if electricity is in balance state therfore it is in a discharge state and if you can separate the charge then it will seek for balance and as it moves it produces energy right?
No, I disagree. (respectfully, of course) You can not create energy. In your example, if you make the water "fall down" to run a turbine, first it had to fall up, or be placed higher than the turbine and the energy required to raise the water will equal the same amount of energy you get out of the turbine, minus the losses. The trick to water turbines on rivers is that the sun evaporated the water for "free" and raised it for you. (solar energy) It rains and fills the rivers and then you run the turbine.
Any energy device discovered here on OU.com will perhaps tap into other unknown energy sources but, energy still will have not been created.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2010, 05:29:40 AM
No, I disagree. (respectfully, of course) You can not create energy. In your example, if you make the water "fall down" to run a turbine, first it had to fall up, or be placed higher than the turbine and the energy required to raise the water will equal the same amount of energy you get out of the turbine, minus the losses. The trick to water turbines on rivers is that the sun evaporated the water for "free" and raised it for you. (solar energy) It rains and fills the rivers and then you run the turbine.
Any energy device discovered here on OU.com will perhaps tap into other unknown A but, energy still will have not been created.
Bill
That is actually what i mean, i just can't explain it very well thank you ;D
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion link=topic=9011.msg242683#msg242683 A=1275037468
No! ;D
Electricity is like water when it is in balance state it doesn't have energy but if you will try to move it and make it fall down then it can rotate a turbine right? there the energy was created!. so therefore if electricity is in balance state therfore it is in a discharge state and if you can separate the charge then it will seek for balance and as it moves it produces energy right?
No! Everything is energy. Energy is vibrance. If it can be seen, heard, felt, smelled and or breathed, it is energy. All our senses sense vibrance. Nothing is trully solid and everything can be altered by introducing a vibrance and or a combinations of vibrance's that make up the energy in question.
Hutchinsons work proves that everything is energy. Put away the text books and think real hard about what everything is, how it is sensed and how it disapears.
Sometimes you have to think outside of the box to figure things out. ;)
Quote from: nightlife on May 28, 2010, 08:42:17 AM
Hutchinsons work proves that everything is A. Put away the text books and think real hard about what everything is, how it is sensed and how it disapears.
Sometimes you have to think outside of the box to figure things out. ;)
No! everything can make energy but everything is not energy, see the difference? ;D
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on May 30, 2010, 06:49:58 AM
No! everything can make A but everything is not energy, see the difference? ;D
No, everything is energy. Everything is vibrant and everything fades away just like energy. Energy is a reacuring vibe that creates a vibration that eventualy fades away. Every time a vibe comes in to contact with another, a new vibe is created. A energy field is a magnetic acumulation of reacuring vibes. This is what we would find happening inside the nucleus of an atom if we had the equiptment to observe it. A nucleus is an energy field.
It's hard to understand what I am saying because we see and feel things as being solid and or as matter. Truth be told, there is no such thing as matter or solid. What we think of as solid and or matter are energy fields that our energy fields can not pass thru.
Quote from: nightlife on May 30, 2010, 11:35:04 AM
No, everything is energy. Everything is vibrant and everything fades away just like energy. Energy is a reacuring vibe that creates a vibration that eventualy fades away. Every time a vibe comes in to contact with another, a new vibe is created. A energy field is a magnetic acumulation of reacuring vibes. This is what we would find happening inside the nucleus of an atom if we had the equiptment to observe it. A nucleus is an energy field.
It's hard to understand what I am saying because we see and feel things as being solid and or as matter. Truth be told, there is no such thing as matter or solid. What we think of as solid and or matter are energy fields that our energy fields can not pass thru.
hmmmmmmmmmmm........
well, i think you have a point there.
yes! everything is composed of matter and matter is composed of solid and liquid and atom is the smallest part of it and atom has a nucleous and electron moving in it. Now i think i understand what you mean. ;D
yes, this is the deep truth of energy. BUT if we consider the second to the deep truth then this is not energy cause it cannot perform a task.
i hope you understand me also cause the energy I'm talking about is the energy that is running before your eyes.
let say for example: the rope, by seeing it you cannot see an energy but if you put it in your neck and try to put it above your house and pull it then that is the energy I'm talking about. ;D its a joke but its true ;D ;D ;D lol. hahahahhahhahah.....
Therefore i conclude , pulling is one key to understand that an energy is being created!
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on May 31, 2010, 07:32:12 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmm........
well, i think you have a point there.
yes! everything is composed of matter and matter is composed of solid and liquid and atom is the smallest part of it and atom has a nucleous and electron moving in it. Now i think i understand what you mean. ;D
yes, this is the deep truth of energy. BUT if we consider the second to the deep truth then this is not energy cause it cannot perform a task.
i hope you understand me also cause the energy I'm talking about is the energy that is running before your eyes.
let say for example: the rope, by seeing it you cannot see an energy but if you put it in your neck and try to put it above your house and pull it then that is the energy I'm talking about. ;D its a joke but its true ;D ;D ;D lol. hahahahhahhahah.....
Therefore i conclude , pulling is one key to understand that an energy is being created!
Ok, now that we have a understanding of each others thoughts on this subject, lets reveiw what is preceived as energy based on the nakid eye.
We find that one energy sources work creates energy but it takes energy away from the source to do so. We then find that energy must be resupplied to the source to bring the source back up to par so the source can continue to perform the equal or greater work it previously performed. By doing so, we find that we end up using more then what we create.
The trick to creating energy, is to properly utilize what we have in a way that it will not waste more then what we need. We need to stop looking for what is thought of as free because nothing is free and everything has been created from work being performed. Now there may be ways we can produce more then what is used which I will discuss later after I do some more expiriments to prove my theory. I am close but I am still not 100% positive that my findings thus far are correct.
Quote from: nightlife on May 31, 2010, 03:05:42 PM
Ok, now that we have a understanding of each others thoughts on this subject, lets reveiw what is preceived as energy based on the nakid eye.
We find that one energy sources work creates energy but it takes energy away from the source to do so. We then find that energy must be resupplied to the source to bring the source back up to par so the source can continue to perform the equal or greater work it previously performed. By doing so, we find that we end up using more then what we create.
The trick to creating energy, is to properly utilize what we have in a way that it will not waste more then what we need. We need to stop looking for what is thought of as free because nothing is free and everything has been created from work being performed. Now there may be ways we can produce more then what is used which I will discuss later after I do some more expiriments to prove my theory. I am close but I am still not 100% positive that my findings thus far are correct.
yES! GOOD POINTS.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BUDDY.
GOOD LUCK ;D