I have searched this and other sites to find out if anyone on this planet has ever done Aspden's capacitor experiment. I am unable to find anyone who ever has.
His description MUST include concentric capacitors and MUST be powered by a high voltage, not regular caps and not usual voltages.
He seemed to find it incredible that he could find no record of such a test of his capacitor/aether idea. It would be even more incredible to think that No One has ever tried to test his idea CORRECTLY in the years since he suggested it !!!
Eighthman
Here are some similar things that I posted, but nobody seemed to be interested:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4355.0
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I remember the Davidson device. Was there any further info on this? I simply thought, 'if that was real, he would be screaming about it on every free energy website'. Did anyone replicate it?
Eighthman
Eighthman,
I haven't done exactly Aspden's setup but I almost exclusively put HV across concentric cylinder capacitors along with some additional pulsing. The difference is that my output comes from more cylinders that are placed concentrically within the capacitors. So I try to take energy from the capacitors using intermediate plates within them and not from the charged plates themselves.
I've been aware of Aspden's proposal for a long time though; just haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Hi Eightman,
years ago I found a paper written by Aspden himself. In this paper he reported about tests being made with this device. The results were negative. I tried to find this paper again after reading your post, but had no succes.
The last statement I can find is June 2007 in which he still speaks of it with great confidence.
see:
http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org-uk/3.html
Eighthman
Hi Eightman,
I have tried to find the text I talked about. No succes. From my memory and the time I saw this text I'm quite sure it was the
the device described in the 2004 patent that has been tested with negative results. Since I cant come up with this ominous paper all I said so far should be treated just as hearsay.
I think this Aspden stuff is absolutly worth serious exploration. Aspden is a very respectable scientist. Based on his Aether model he made important predictions which later proved right experimentaly. So it would certainly be a very good thing if people would ty to implement and test his ideas about energy extraction from the aether.
best regards
schulz
I wanted to try it, but after seeing the cost of copper sheet metal that's needed to make a test rig I quickly backed away from the idea. :)
PES Wiki/PESN DID report that somebody carefully disproved Aspden's ideas on excess energy in some magnetic gap situations but that wasn't the cap idea.
I need to investigate old physics journals to see if this subject has come up.
hi guys
i think the paper which Shulz remembers, where Aspden gives a negative report about his own work, refers to his collaboration with Scott Strachan (spelling correct?) on their 'heat-to-electricity' concept
he reported that it operated as planned but the efficiency degraded over time
from memory, Aspden gave the impression that the project had been 'parked' but that he had an idea what was the problem and what might be the solution
i don't recall reading of any direct attempts at a full implementation of Aspden's Aether-tapping capacitor outline although this concept was the direct inspiration for my capacitor-to-capacitor switched-charge experiments in 2008, looking for any evidence of anomalous energy transfer related to caps
there were some related experiments shown on YouTube with high voltage discharges on home-made metallic tubes (apologies, i forget the usernames now - maybe Lidmotor?)
i used regular spiral-rolled electrolytics and motor-start caps, which were the nearest available off-the-shelf components which gave the necessary radial electric field required by Aspden's predicitons
initial indications (based on text-book statements for energy distribution in charging capacitors) were that the circuit was achieving COP of the order of 20-40% overunity
my final results, however, indicated that although my circuit efficiency was close, it didn't appear to exceed COP = 1
the circuit did clearly show a charge-increase anomaly (as found by other members, also, in different applications) of the order of 30%
i was also able to show that the regular 'text-book' explanation of the electrical 'work' involved in creating charge-separation within a capacitor is wrong - the energy stored in the capacitor increased with a different function to the energy dissipated in the work performed by the charging components
(the regular 'text-book' position is that the amount of energy stored in a capcitor will equal the amount of energy expended ('work' done) in forcing the charge-separation around the circuit to polarise the dielectric)
my conclusions are that mainstream science still only has an approximation to the behaviour of capacitor energy storage and that further investigation is needed
Aspden's original concept involves high-voltage (and, if it worlks, high-energy) - this takes it out of my preferred area of operation! ;)
i hope you manage to implement and test Aspden's concept - as has been said earlier, he has some serious scientific skills and understanding (unlike some, here in this forum, who just like to give that impression!)
i was priviliged to speak to him whilst i was carrying out my experiments and he was a gracious gentleman (of advancing years) who seemed genuinely pleased that others were following up on his ideas
all the best with your experiments
sandy
Quote from: Eighthman on August 11, 2010, 05:47:50 PM
I have searched this and other sites to find out if anyone on this planet has ever done Aspden's capacitor experiment. I am unable to find anyone who ever has.
His description MUST include concentric capacitors and MUST be powered by a high voltage, not regular caps and not usual voltages.
He seemed to find it incredible that he could find no record of such a test of his capacitor/aether idea. It would be even more incredible to think that No One has ever tried to test his idea CORRECTLY in the years since he suggested it !!!
Eighthman
If anyone has tried Aspden's idea, they are not sharing the results. I had a pulser that used a coax delay line for the pulse width and it would put out about twice the voltage that it should have measured with a resistive divider, based on the calculated voltage that it should have provided to the load. I never explored it further as at the time I thought it was just an error.
Worth exploring.
One chap tried something here:
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=273
Some other references:
http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=466&start=210#p16947
QuoteIn another paper/lecture/tutorials of Aspden's he makes reference to a rather interesting capacitor design. An air gap, with concentric cylinders within each other (smaller diameter inside the larger, and hence asymmetrical. But, what about the dielectric differences? If the dielectric constants are also asymmetrical, what would that produce? Aspden used a theoretic voltage of 25kV at a pulse/frequency of about 150kHz. I am thinking twice the voltage and 300gHz pulse/frequency. What do you think?
Aspden's lecture on the subject (mention of Daniel McFarland Cook's coil, heavily discussed elsewhere in this forum):
http://www.aspden.org/le/Le27/Berlin.htm
Mention of the CC in Aspden's article "TESLA VERSUS EINSTEIN":
http://www.aspden.org/arp/2005arp5.pdf
Harold's notes on the Berlin Lecture:
http://www.wmsn.net/Aetherproof.htm
Aspden's Patent application on the device:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25323773/Harold-Aspen-GB2390941A
And Patrick Kelly's mention of Aspden's work (some Tesla stuff and nice version of Aspden's patent app near top):
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter11.pdf
.99
Quote from: amigo on August 15, 2010, 05:09:07 PM
I wanted to try it, but after seeing the cost of copper sheet metal that's needed to make a test rig I quickly backed away from the idea. :)
May I suggest inexpensive copper flashing
as is used for the roofing trade ?
It could be attached to a solid material disc
with adhesive (Contact cement) if needed.
Or dual-clad (Double-sided...) PC boards
cut with a hole saw to size needed,
with a lead through a hole in it
soldered on both sides to make it one ?
Nothing made of copper is going to be cheap. Copper roof flashing is sold by the roll and even just a 12" wide roll (usually 50' long) is going to run $200 or more.
Sears 14" x 10' = $108. Some smaller sizes might be had for around $60. It's a raw commodity and so prices for anything copper is ridiculous now. About 2 years ago copper took a short dip in price for a while. But it's back up their now and almost everyone is recycling it so makes getting scrap copper even difficult. Not trying to discourage anyone here and if you just need a couple square feet you might find a custom home builder that would sell you a small amount or a high end roofer. But I don't think you'll like the price of roof flashing a Home Depot.
How many square feet do you need I have (guessing)5-6 sq. ft.
Where is the circuit?
Joe in Texas
If anybody wants to try it, you can buy a used Ionic Breeze Air Purifier at most used charity stores, like the Salvaton Army, Purple Heart, etc. The power supply inside is a 20,000 V, 22 KHz, pulsed DC supply. If you do, please post your results.
Hello JatBird,,
I have a 25KV,,Pole Transformer (new) and the variac and ballast to control it.
Rolling a Poly Capacitor is ,,old school,,to Tesla Coil builders,,,of which I am one of many years.
I read all those links supplied by ponyt99 and found it
all very interesting,,,I especially like the explanation given for the Atom and Nucleus of the atom,,,
Tell me more.
Texas Joe
I was trying to build aspdens device this weekend, several setups, different input power, finished yesterday, three days lost. I am sure that dr aspden never realy build it, is evidently theorist and book writer.
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Quote from: Paul-R on May 02, 2012, 07:38:58 AM
What is the Aspden Experiment ?
This:
http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm)
-Steve
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy (http://rimstar.org/sdenergy) http://youtube.com/rimstarorg (http://youtube.com/rimstarorg)