Input 310 Volts DC by .500 MA
High HP! - Testing motor only at half cycle.
Full cycle will double the HP.
Youtube Link! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1RQRSqw24s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1RQRSqw24s&feature=related)
Currently making plans, will be available soon!
Contact David Waggoner (812)945-5839
http://www.fuellesspower.com (http://www.fuellesspower.com)
Goofy design and as usual the output is less than input.
Inventor says this he will improve output when adding another cycle.
He shows a 40 watt bulb lit but does not show amperage or voltage going into the bulb.
The bulb flickers and does not seem to be fully lit. Output wattage unknown, perhaps 25W.
Input 310 Volts DC by 500 MA = 155W of input power vs 25W bulb lit = COP 0.16 or worse = underunity.
Testing motor only at half cycle.
Full cycle will double the HP but also doubles input power. No gain. Still underunity.
....then again, one can ask himself why somebody having invented the holy grail should
be selling simple motor plans for small pocketmoney....It the same BS over and over!!!
If OU was invented or discovered in a practical manner, then anything else than proper
funding for upscaling it for powerful home use or power plants, is a clear sign of a scammer.
Some more info on those scoundrels...
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Organizations/FuellessPower/
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Buyer Beware
A Fraud
On March 7, 2007, New Energy Congress member, Eric Kreig, wrote:
I believe they are a bunch of crooks. I have been for years trying to get them to show me even one person who is happy with a design. I tried to remind them that they could sell more plans and get a $2000 commission by pointing me to someone who could win my $10,000 prize for real proof of free energy at: www.phact.org/e/freetest.html
These people are scum: worse than taking money from people, they waste the time of tinkerers on worthless designs which distracts people from things that could work. For that matter, most people trying free energy designs work on things that have been known not to work like Newman devices or MEG. Most people who fail to get such plans to work just do not step forward - and when they do, the corrupt plan seller accuses them of incompetence.
We must fully realize that the world of free energy claims is full of con men. I like the idea of us being ready to promote something that would be validated. I keep telling people who claim to have the real thing to offer real proof as the way to clearly separate themselves from the legions of crooks and lunatics making the same claims for decades.
Scoundrels and Lunatics?
Anybody call the guy??
?
Contact David Waggoner (812)945-5839
Chet
Full specs not available yet. This is a new project of ours, just showing people a demo of our progress. I can give you links to people that are happy with our plans.
Here is a link to a group on Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=115255121838007
Here is a link to his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LhmbGt21T0
People email us constantly with pictures, videos, and information about the success of their motor. We are working on building proof through customers, making groups were people can discuss this. We have been in business over 10 years, we have many satisfied customers. EVERY company has some negative reviews.
If you want to talk to David Waggoner call (812) 945-5839
If you want to email him his direct email is David@fuellesspower.com
He works hard at emailing back all of his customers. My name is Andrew Banner, and I am not planning on spamming this site. Just providing updates on current research.
"Scoundrels and Lunatics?
Anybody call the guy??
?
Contact David Waggoner (812)945-5839
Chet"
Thank you for pointing this out.
Quote from: FuellessPower on August 13, 2010, 08:56:11 AM
I can give you links to people that are happy with our plans.
Please do so.....
And I mean to other sites and people than yourself at your site or youtube.
Actually, it is really bogus to claim several Hp or more output and then having the motor
slowing down by the small load of a tiny bulb as shown in your video.
It takes heavy duty torque to produce several Hp output, just spinning is far from enough.
And there all this talk about "it could be looped back". Don't talk, do it.
Or simply contact Mark Dansie here at OU forum and let him test your contrapment.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8133
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie
He's a member of the new energy congress and it's his job to travel the world and verify new energy discoveries.
But you will never do that, you know your motor is bogus and he would expose your scam.
As I said we will be making new videos within the week. I'll keep posting them on this thread, we plan to showcase the power and provide full specs. The current video is a demo video ONLY! We made it just to get people interested in following our progress. As I said I hope to make FuellessPower.com more accessible to discussion on blogs, websites, and social networks. We are currently in the process of expanding.
I can not sit here and describe to you the details of the motor, because I do not have the knowledge to do so. I will provide you with all of the details that David Waggoner Gives me. As for the links, the group that I gave you is legit. Email the guy, talk to the admin. He is a very satisfied customer, and has had real results. I will research and provide a list. Just keep checking back.
Thank You.
I agree with Fat Chance, the loop in this device is not closed. If you cannot or will not close it, then you are wasting people's time.
Quote from: Xaverius on August 13, 2010, 11:38:49 AM
I agree with Fat Chance, the loop in this device is not closed. If you cannot or will not close it, then you are wasting people's time.
No, he isn't. Closing the loop is not the only way to prove overunity. He should carry out very careful measurements of the input and the output power and that would be enough as proof of overunity if the latter is greater than the former. He hasn't done that yet, unfortunately, and that cannot be substituted by providing a list of satisfied customers. What he needs to do after proving conclusively that Pout > Pin is to have independent parties replicate his machine and confirm that energy disbalance.
Direct quote from David Waggoner "David Waggoner here, Yes the motor is overunity, and looping it back to run itself will be no problem. It is a free energy motor, not a perpetual motion device. The video shown here is only a small quick test. The HP of the motor is about 15 tp 16 hp x 826 rpms, we are still working on it to pin point the exact HP. The test ran so far show this motor can handle way more output than one 40 watt bulb. More tests and video to come. "
"Full specs not available yet. This is a new project of ours, just showing people a demo of our progress."
We are making ourself vulnerable to attacks on this forum, which is why we are posting here. Let us provide the information, then you can come to your conclusions. As I stated I am here to give updates and information on our progress.
"No, he isn't. Closing the loop is not the only way to prove overunity. He should carry out very careful measurements of the input and the output power and that would be enough as proof of overunity if the latter is greater than the former. He hasn't done that yet, unfortunately, and that cannot be substituted by providing a list of satisfied customers."
Thank you, We plan on doing a full demo soon. Check back Monday or Tuesday.
Fellows,
Let the guy post ,
keep your wallets in your pockets!
Geese!
Chet
A self-sustaining device is a perpetual motion device. That's in fact the ultimate proof that a device is a perpetuum mobile. Would have been much better to first have it as a self-sustaining machine and then announce it because we've seen a lot of these reverse announcements which ultimately turn out to be fake and that's the main reason for the skepticism.
Several things;
a) I believe this device probably is overunity because, if you
will notice, the stator motor/rotor is made from Teflon plastic.
This suggests it performs it's OU functions static electrically.
b) The flashing bulb is being exaggerated because the camera is
only partially synchronizing with the spinning motor rotor so the
flicker is probably exaggerated by the "beat frequency". The bulb
*is* bright because of dimming of the rest of the room by the
camera's video AGC Automatic Gain Control when it is looking at
the directly at the bulb.
c) The "High HP" horsepower label is relative. The input power suggests
only .25HP mechanical torque is being produced by the motor. So
things appear to be in alignment with what is being demonstrated.
So I wouldn't be surprised if you found this motorgenerator actually doing
what is claimed. The OU energy output content is probably variable so it
will require additional buffering and processing before could be used for
anything useful. This Static-Electric Overunity and Cold-Fusion-Overunity
are energy sources that keep showing up in potentially real devices, so it
may be time to begin admitting them as real.
I would want to see an additional experiement showing 40Watts of heat being
produced after the lightbulb demonstration.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hey there, FuellessPower guy.
Do you agree that independent testing is needed to prove your statements?
If so, then please let Omnibus come over and test your motor by his own tools and methods.
If his testing validates your claim he will post this here, and the best of all is that everybody
will truly believe his report due to him being honest and thrustworthy.
If your claims are true, then it's in your interest to let him freely validate your motor.
This would really make sure you sold motor plans for the masses, but only if independently tested.
Well, what do you say to this super proposal of a win-win situation? No excuses, just yes or no!
Fuelless
If what the chunky gambler says is true?
{Omni Offered to take a look see?]
That would be "Good"!
[seeing as how Mark is on the other side of the planet]
Chet
Quote from: FatChance!!! on August 13, 2010, 03:23:33 PM
Hey there, FuellessPower guy.
Do you agree that independent testing is needed to prove your statements?
If so, then please let Omnibus come over and test your motor by his own tools and methods.
If his testing validates your claim he will post this here, and the best of all is that everybody
will truly believe his report due to him being honest and thrustworthy.
If your claims are true, then it's in your interest to let him freely validate your motor.
This would really make sure you sold motor plans for the masses, but only if independently tested.
Well, what do you say to this super proposal of a win-win situation? No excuses, just yes or no!
I agree.
I will talk to David about it. The best thing for Omnibus to do would be call David (812.945.5839) Monday - Friday 9 to 5pm. The purpose of me posting is to relay his progress.
David@FuellessPower.com
Quote from: Omnibus on August 13, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
A self-sustaining device is a perpetual motion device. That's in fact the ultimate proof that a device is a perpetuum mobile. Would have been much better to first have it as a self-sustaining machine and then announce it because we've seen a lot of these reverse announcements which ultimately turn out to be fake and that's the main reason for the skepticism.
That was my point exactly when I made the above "closed loop comment." Sometimes Pout>Pin can be faked, fudged, ambiguized or distorted. A perpetual device would be the Acid Test of Free Energy. Of course any videos would need to show the device from all sides and angles to assure a lack of external power. Admittedly, any closed loop test could also be faked such as Mylow, Keely, etc. So the suggestion to replicate independently any overunity machine is absolutely critical.
I just want to tell you that these people were contacted. David wasn't there but someone else said he'll tell David about the call and if he's interested he'll call back. At first he said that what they are doing now is selling plans for people to build it. He said he would tell David that an interest has been expressed in doing some measurements and if he doesn't call back it would mean he isn't interested. I didn't get where they are located but I guess, judgung from the area code, it's somewhere in Indiana. That's it for now.
Omni,
Great!
A free evaluation?
You are a huge asset to this cause!
I salute you sir!!
Chet
PS
Indiana?
I'll drive! :)
Quote from: Omnibus on August 16, 2010, 12:42:50 PM
....if he doesn't call back it would mean he isn't interested.
I'll bet almost anything on him not calling back, meaning they know their motor is not OU.
Let's hope I'm wrong on this. I'd love to read a professional evaluation report from Omnibus.
And I would hope it was going be a positive report on overunity....at last!!!
Quote from: FatChance!!! on August 13, 2010, 04:51:07 AM
Goofy design and as usual the output is less than input.
Inventor says this he will improve output when adding another cycle.
He shows a 40 watt bulb lit but does not show amperage or voltage going into the bulb.
The bulb flickers and does not seem to be fully lit. Output wattage unknown, perhaps 25W.
Input 310 Volts DC by 500 MA = 155W of input power vs 25W bulb lit = COP 0.16 or worse = underunity.
Testing motor only at half cycle.
Full cycle will double the HP but also doubles input power. No gain. Still underunity.
Hi FatChance,
While I fully agree with most of your scepticism, please listen more carefully what is said or written ...
FuellessPower wrote:
Quote
Input 310 Volts DC by .500 MA
You took this as 500 MA, i.e. half an Amper while .500 MA was written, i.e. half a milliAmper and you calculated 155W input power, a 1000 times more than the 310V x .5mA= .155W i.e. 155milliWatt input power...
The strange thing is that a youtube member calculated the same 155W input power and wrote a message under the video to David, just comparing the 155W to the 40W bulb. However, David did not correct the youtube member's mistake, simply ignored it...
I do not know about David but if I were him, the minimum thing I would have done is to correct the 155W into 155mW, so that my alleged OU device should not be misrepresented by false calculations.
Then I also made a message under the video on the calculation mistake, and also noticed why David did not correct it... Guess what,
all the messages under the video was deleted a few hours later...
So it would be very very good if someone could go on spot and check the input and output voltages and currents correctly. Hopefully David has recalled Omnibus and given him a chance to do so...
rgds, Gyula
@gyulasun
I did notice the .500 mA but I choose to ignore that as a typing error.
If properly skilled in test procedures this type of error will simply not occur.
And by the sheer look of the design and the heavy sound it puts out 155mW is far
from enough to run the motor. Sound losses is part of the total power consumption.
And this motor produces such a massive sound over a broad band spectrum it's totally
impossible to run it by 155mW. That tiny input can't generate such heavy sound.
Input case closed but waiting eagerly for their reply on the independent validation test.
Ok, I mainly agree again and the only hope to find out the truth is if David indeed lets a person competent in measurements test his setup.
Till then, whatever...
Gyula
Working on new videos today. Have not forgot about this forum. Have been very busy. Much more will be shown, and input/output will be explained. Also will be doing a detailed video to show it is not plugged into an external source.
The .500 was my typo. I apologize for the error, review the new video that will be up shortly. I believe it will answer a lot of questions.
Looks familiar?.. :)
I bought all of their plans some 5-6 years ago. 99% of info there is available for free on web...
Spiral coil design is the only unique spotlight there... other than that - ordinary crap... wich is all over..
It seem to be a simple tank LC design DC pulse motor only spiral stacked coils is somewhat different from all other designs. I have never placed it into resonance nor I achieved any OU.. I am sure they didnt either.
They show 10ma input on freewheeling dc motor... who cares??? Input was never shown once had was "prony breaking" the shaft... of course for obvious reasons...
Fuelless.com - Magniworks.com whats the difference?... (I hope magniworks has better customer service if you have tech questions because fuelless is horrible. If you dont order or buy anything when you call - tech questions will not be answered. You most likely to be reffered to email address wich is usually unresponsive... or it takes weeks)
Also I have received a letter from David some 2 weeks ago supposibly someone on OU forums was scamming them and they wanted me to go ahead and let ppl know how successfull I was... what a joke man.
So here you go. Here is my short story/experience.
More about my setup: magnets are 4x1" N50s. 20 spiral layers with 22awg wire.
CHEERS!
Minde
P.S. I had no finished motor pics handy..
Long time have passed....
Have you finally talked through our test proposal with "David"?
When can Omnibus come over and test/verify your claims?
Well, what do you guys say to our win-win proposal after all this time?
No excuses, just yes or no! That's all we want!
Quote from: FuellessPower on August 13, 2010, 08:57:01 PM
I will talk to David about it. The best thing for Omnibus to do would be call David (812.945.5839) Monday - Friday 9 to 5pm. The purpose of me posting is to relay his progress.
David@FuellessPower.com
Quote from: FatChance!!! on October 14, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
Long time have passed....
Have you finally talked through our test proposal with "David"?
When can Omnibus come over and test/verify your claims?
Well, what do you guys say to our win-win proposal after all this time?
No excuses, just yes or no! That's all we want!
???
I tought my post was clear enough...
Quote from: minde4000 on October 14, 2010, 10:48:34 PM
???
I tought my post was clear enough...
I know, but I just wanted to nail them even harder if possible....
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@FuellessPower
At youtube user djavich mentions, that his replication of the fuelless motor does not gain enough horsepower. He seemed skilled to me.
I cant say if his device needs a finetuning. But I am convinced , that someone needs to have the skills and must have luck to meet all device parameters to get the desired results.
Don't sell plans, sell devices with specific guaranteed capabilities.