Use acoustic wire,and oscillograph to find "kick".
Search for microphonic effect in wire.
It is surprising, but it so.. :o
you're on the right track rtl8186, it's all about the real "kick" which is MOTION not backEMF, but they can be related. I experienced the microphonic effect with a magnetic sensor I built, if I moved anything magnetic near by (sometimes even a non magnetic conductor), even though it wasn't magnetized I could detect it, or obviously if I moved the sensor it picked up that motion. The folks that make the super sensitive Schumann receivers try to avoid this by burying the coils in the ground or placed such that they won't move with vibrations.
This principle of the acoustic resonance is what gives the high Q of the tank circuit. The transducer action needs to be or could be done with a magnet, much like a speaker. Then you need a source of magnetic frequency like near power lines (steven's house was near power lines), and you tune it, an voila !
You can tune the resonant frequency of your wires by cutting them down until they resonate strongly from a magnetic frequency at your location, if you have any.
EM
P.S. Look up guitar induction pickup coils, same principle but it has it's own magnet to make a stronger field for interaction between acoustic vibrations and magnetic field, the tuning is key to hit the right frequency, and receive and convert energy from the "earths" magnetic field. If you have an electric guitar, connect a conducting wire from one end of a string to the other end of the same string, to form a large loop, and when that guitar string is tuned to the right magnetic frequency present at your location (or go close to some power lines or pole), it will ring and oscillate. There's obviously better lower damped methods of acoustic vibrations, like the magnetostricition phenomena which can have Q's on the order of 100 000, but a quitar string is not bad. You hear these vibration noises on POWER LINES, hint hint!
Let's ROCK ! :)
Check out this link on guitar pickup coils, nice pictures !
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/electric-guitar1.htm
Thank you very much!
"Kick" in vacuum :)
Here's a high-speed camera video of the so called "KICK"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwGc50pIzY&feature=related
ОК.I will think over it.
All keys SM conduct to this scheme.
Or I can mistaken.
By the way, and last key in chains can "SM"-Sweep Marker.
I have made it(on analog 6bq7a), truth frequency high-50mgts.
I will experiment further
At Last, the correct foundation!
Keep searching rtl...your approach is as the inventor's guidance suggested.
I think You, at least have a ticket in the lottery.
Try to get it just below oscillating condition and let the rings configuration find its frequency
If you see stupid things STOP ... put a series relay in for a kill switch and build 2 more
Remember low distortion, no negative feed back (in the tube stages)
Tubes don't need to be located in the center of the device, if that makes it easier for you.
I hope you can make a ring , sing!
Thanks Mannix I try :)
Last my experements video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6fBsZc8Mh4
I have found out DC in this experience, I can not understand whence it!
AC signal upwards Y, it means that is present DC!
The signal jumps on Y if moving hand
On a picture the scheme оf experement
@ rtl8186,
I like your experiments and I recognize the type of oscillator you're using.
We call it a Royer oscillator.
http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Royer_oscillator
I've observed a DC voltage along with an AC voltage in the past as well. Keep working at it and experimenting and it will become more clear what is happening.
Can you label your photo with the coil #, so we can better understand how you are connecting to the coils?
What frequency is it operating at?
I would suggest placing a resistive load on the output to see if the voltage maintains itself. Also, make sure you zoom out in time on the oscilloscope because sometimes the 50Hz or 60Hz electric power is inducing in your coils and it will throw you off, and if you zoom out you can tell if the apparent DC is actually DC or very low frequency AC.
EM
rtl,
You are right , there should not be dc ....unless you are somehow pushing electrons along the wire in one direction.
or the "transformer" is being dc biased somehow .
Its hard to match your circuit to the video . I see a small torroid, not in the circuit
It would be good to put a picture with all your connections and components so that more people can do your experiment and see it themselves.
I only have english unfortunately.
Please do NOT be tempted to use silicone devices
Quote
We call it a Royer oscillator.
Many people call it the multivibrator.
QuoteCan you label your photo with the coil #, so we can better understand how you are connecting to the coils?
Yes,see photo.
QuoteWhat frequency is it operating at?
About 25MHz
Quote
I would suggest placing a resistive load on the output to see if the voltage maintains itself.
In video I connect resistor 1k parallel coil.
I connect 47 Omh-It not especially changes a signal.
QuoteAlso, make sure you zoom out in time on the oscilloscope because sometimes the 50Hz or 60Hz electric power is inducing in your coils and it will throw you off, and if you zoom out you can tell if the apparent DC is actually DC or very low frequency AC.
In video sweep of the oscilloscope 0.2*0.2microsecond/div
QuoteI only have english unfortunately.
Sorry I just had no time to overeat video.I try to describe everything in detail.
QuotePlease do NOT be tempted to use silicone devices
I am not have crazy tranzistors working at 25Mhz at 90v :o
Interesting video, I'm not sure I understand the bouncing of the scope voltage (runaway??). In your first diagram it says you are using 6v (seen in vid) What is the schamatic that you posted?
Thanks rtl,
It is very clear what you are doing now . Try for perfect harmony between the rings so that they are in balance, and not effected much by your hand (capacitance). And reluctant to oscillate but give off occasional bursts of rf noise
The two triodes will not be matched perfectly so you will need to fiddle with the coils which are exactly the same length.
A magnetic field from a small magnet may then tip the balance in one direction or another .
I like the way you isolated everything from the mains.
I assume that you have no earth connections on the "anode battery"
My approach is slightly different , with more stages of low distortion amps so that I can work with very small signals.
here is one module.
keep with your approach though
Great work !
rtl8186, thanks for the labeled picture, it helps a lot.
I'm a little slow, but I just realized your tube is in the center of the wood block, the heat can build up pretty high if it doesn't have any air circulation or vent holes, and it looks like there are no vents (wood is a thermal insulator and traps the heat). You might want to re-engineer the supports. I'm no expert in vacuum tubes, but I think excessive heat will prematurely damage them or you can have a fire hazard from heated wood that gives off combustible gases. But if you're happy with it and it works it does look practical. I like how you assembled the CD clear disks to support the coils.
QuoteIn video I connect resistor 1k parallel coil.
I connect 47 Omh-It not especially changes a signal.
what DC signal magnitude do you have?
So you're operating at 24 MHz, that makes sense. I had a TPU wound about the same size, and it operated in the double digits MHz frequency as well. I was just driving it with a signal generator and when I found the resonant frequency it exhibited the same hand effects. What is happening is you are resonating the operating coil's capacitance per turn with the inductance per turn, just like a Tesla coil secondary, except this one is circular. I've done this many times too, and due to the E-fields, your hand or any conductor nearby will change the capacitance and change the resonant frequency, which is what you are observing as well. Pretty neat how that works. TAO started a thread here on this forum about the E-field and the hose effect, you probably read it, if you haven't it can help understand what is going on. I suggest inserting very small capacitance at the terminals of the operating coils to change the frequency slightly and see what happens, you might hit on some resonant frequency that produces a higher DC voltage on the output.
but before that, change the time on the scope to 1/100 seconds per division to see if there is a 50Hz wave on your signal, that's what I was trying to say before. If there isn't then you're good, you have a pure DC signal induced by the "squeezing the hose effect"
@Mannix
I know you're been playing with tubes, but why do you say his triodes are not evenly matched? Isn't that the purpose of incorporating two triodes into the same vacuum tube, to keep them as matched as possible? I don't expect small differences to affect the oscillator in any significant way, my Royer oscillators worked with even different discretes just fine, the only requirement seems to be the frequency cutoff.
EM
P.S.
rtl8186, you might want to change the way you connect to the coils to try another idea. Use the collector coils instead of the spiral coils, and the spiral coils as the OUTPUT. There seems to be some confusion about which is the COLLECTOR and which is the CONTROL coil. If you do that, you won't have enough capacitance anymore, so you might want to insert a capacitor to resonate with.
Most importantly, what you are experimenting with is contradictory to the SM videos which suggest tuning into a magnetic frequency, but these experiments you're conducting are in accordance with the SM letters to Mannix, so any results you get will be interesting but might not be Free Energy. If you can get a good reliable "turbine" effect that drags the electrons in the copper or "squeezes the hose", then you have something that is unique and it's your contribution like wattsup seems to be telling us, I just hope that it will be overunity and not just another rotational electric turbine DC to AC converter.
rtl8186, very nice work! It's refreshing to see someone trying this with a tube as Mannix has been saying for so long.
Note to self: Find that old box of tubes :)
@ all (not rtl)
Think of ..just for now, 2 perfect amplifiers who's ins and outs ( almost) cancel each other via the rings windings and their relative position.
Achieving this balance will require NO feedback (except for the coils) , wide band response , and be capable of high voltage operation so that later, when the spikes occur , (later)they don't just blow the components.
Get this balance ..now introduce a third amplifier, also in balance with the other two. You would have to rebuild everything again using what you learned from the first phase. You will have created a receiver of some different kind
3 perfect musical instruments all in the same circular space ..will they resolve pi?
I dont mean to make it sound simple ..it surely is not
In fact there are some pretty smart guys here that are not even smart enough to use the correct devices. Which the actual inventor pointed you towards.
Learn to crawl ..then walk ..
But first wake up!
Mannix ,thanks for idea I will think :)
QuoteI'm no expert in vacuum tubes, but I think excessive heat will prematurely damage them or you can have a fire hazard from heated wood that gives off combustible gases.
Yes you are absolutely right, but it is experimental installation and I include it no more than on 5-10min.
Quote
what DC signal magnitude do you have?
about 30mV
QuoteI suggest inserting very small capacitance at the terminals of the operating coils to change the frequency slightly and see what happens, you might hit on some resonant frequency that produces a higher DC voltage on the output.
rtl8186, you might want to change the way you connect to the coils to try another idea. Use the collector coils instead of the spiral coils, and the spiral coils as the OUTPUT. There seems to be some confusion about which is the COLLECTOR and which is the CONTROL coil. If you do that, you won't have enough capacitance anymore, so you might want to insert a capacitor to resonate with.
Оk.I try it.
QuoteYou know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils.
SM
Copper is diamagnetic!!!!!!!!!
From wiki
QuoteIn 1778 S. J. Bergman was the first individual to observe that bismuth and antimony were repelled by magnetic fields.
Quote from: rtl8186 on August 29, 2010, 08:37:14 AM
Copper is diamagnetic!!!!!!!!!
From wiki
from the archives of Lester J. Hendershot :....facts:1.a magnetic field possessess a resonant frequency 2.the field can be put in a state of resonance by utilizing pulsed direct current (page 26)
Some my last experiments with vibration,and hight current DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE54vjcUCBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bFb67BOTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uhLww-XwEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQOMJP8e0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXz-La4iSY
@rtl8186
Nice vids. I made one similar back in 2007 using two frequencies from 1 to 7 hertz and funny thing that 7/7 provided the most aggressive movements and going higher attenuated the movements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXgL4Wf8zrQ
I used the speaker output of my computer sound card and the following software located on my OU ftp site.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Software/frequency-generator/
The software only goes up to 20khz but you can have two outputs and play with the phasing.
Anyways, keep up the good work.
Quote from: rtl8186 on August 25, 2010, 05:02:44 PM
ОК.I will think over it.
All keys SM conduct to this scheme.
Or I can mistaken.
By the way, and last key in chains can "SM"-Sweep Marker.
I have made it(on analog 6bq7a), truth frequency high-50mgts.
I will experiment further
1 pulsating direct current ,2 non inductive coil (for exciting) ,3 magnet+coil (for collecting) TRY WHIT THIS!!