I read so much of science and biology say free radicals cause aging. That a free radical is a molecule that comes into the body by food or drink or even breathing, and many other ways. Its said a free radical is just a molecule that is missing an electron, and it wants one. So it steals an electron from another stable molecule, which then causes a chain reaction of electron stealing, which leads to cellular or genetic damage. Now we all know about antioxidants. Vitamin c is one, vitamin e is one and so on. These antioxidants are molecules that have extra electrons. So when a free radical comes in the body needing an electron, these antioxidants offer an electron and stop the chain reaction of electron stealing, and help slow down aging this way, its said antioxidants can offer electrons without themselves becoming a free radical because they have these extra electrons, and such is the theory of aging by free radicals. Science from what I have been reading lately tends to say aging itself is but caused by free radicals, as in thats why we age, grow old, wear out and die. Now if all we need are free electrons to act as antioxidants,,or be electron donors. Then this brings several thoughts to mind, about how to get them reconsidering electricity is the stuff thats full of them. For example, can we take a battery, run a ground wire from earth and connect it to the positive terminal of that battery to supply that terminal with electrons since thats what it wants. And then would electrons come out the negative terminal of that battery which we could run to say our skin, and electrons could go into our skin and act as an antioxidant. Or if a battery would not work in that fashion what about a solar cell, since there is different inner working going on there. I have wondered if perhaps even taking an air ionizer which is said to emit electrons into air molecules making negative ions, could that be used as an electron emitter, and applied to skin to give the body electrons, and thus it would be an antioxidant. Of course we would not want to be grounded while doing that least we get a zap. We know our electrical sockets which are at a shocking voltage of 120 volts is full of electrons, could there be a way to get electrons from there without getting shocked in the process. And then again if none of these ways will work there is another option. Its called static electricity, which also is about electrons. Perhaps building up a negative charge on the body, since that would be electrons. Would allow some of those electrons to leak into the body, or at least be available for the body to use as an antioxidant when the body needs an electron, to give to a free radical and stop it from doing damage. These are but a few thoughts I had on the concept. Please do look up the theory of aging and free radical, look up what a free radical is,,and what an antioxidant is. And you will see its all electrical, and about the electron. Would it not be amazing if health could be improved or aging slowed in such a simple way. And do you have any ideas how to get electrons for the body that can act as antioxidants?
i always found it interesting that in children it considered a disease (hutchinson-gilford progeria syndrome), yet in adults it is considered normal 'wear and tear'...
Hello Stevensrd1,
This is a very interesting idea, thanks for bringing it up.
Where I work, all the laboratory workers need to wear static dissipating shoes. This allows any static discharge built up on the body to be transferred to the ground and dissipated. That might do for your idea of grounding the human body. Just search "static dissipating shoes". Plenty of options to choose from.
Visions of walking around with a battery back attached to the skin with pad electrodes come to my mind. What do you think? 1.5 volts? 3 volts? What would be enough? Needs to be experimented with.
Thanks again for the suggestion.
RR2
Human body has an natural antioxidant called glutathione. Glutathione itself is a master anti-oxidant in the body, without which vitamins C or E or other antioxidants would not work. Glutathione cannot be taken orally. However, activated vitamin D can boost production of cellular glutathione. Vitamin D can be manufactured and activated in our body in the presence of sunlight.
So, in other words, all you need is to come up with something equivalent to sunlight.
Glutathione is the strongest antioxidant the body has to offer since it works on the cellular level.
The best way to boost glutathione levels without having it injected intravenously is by supplementing with N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and/or R-Lipoic Acid. NAC works best for replacing glutathione in the lungs and digestive organs while lipoic acid boosts gluathione levels in the brain.
Hard to say how, But Ive did the research,,and its all about the electron. There no doubt is a way make an electrical or electronic antioxidant however.
Its said back in biblical days people lived far into age, like 1000 even. Not that I put alot of belief in the bible. But one wonders is that the only book world wide that says humans live to such old ages. And if humans did live to such ages back then, were there more free electrons about,,in the air perhaps as negative ions, or on the ground from more storms. It is said the earths magnetic field is lowering,,and has been for ages. So that means it was stronger back in the day, that could cause more electron activity about, perhaps even in us as we move about in earths magnetic field. Ive read some say to ground your bed with a grounding blanket, its just a type of cover that can carry a small charge,,that goes to a wire in the earth. The story there was that the body would naturally pull electrons from ground as it needs them, that today our shoes dont allow us a grounding to get electrons. So many things to reconsider, but if the antioxidant is merely a molecule that can donate an electron to the body, there are lots of things that can generate, and donate electrons, something to think about.
I read somewhere that NAC should be taken with Vit C in 1:2 ratio (1 NAC - 2 Vit C)...
As for back in the days, well people lived on the ground, they walked on it (barefoot), slept on it, touched it often and what not.
Today, most people live in high-rises or in isolated dwellings containing concrete, plaster and other insulators, not to mention wearing rubber soles on their shoes.
I have been contemplating the whole body/medicine issue for awhile now and am of an opinion right now that every bodily "issue" is an electrical problem in its essence.
Having said that, we need to adjust, or interface, our electricity to what body needs, normal AC or DC ain't it, even though both do cause an effect to some extent.
I fear that we are being fooled by the media. The mainstream media keep chanting about the benefits of antioxidants, but the fact is that not all the oxidation processes in the body should be inhibited.
One of the oxidation processes we need is the conversion from sulfite to sulfate. Sulfite is one of the FDA-approved toxins which is technically also an antioxidant. It is being used as a preservative which delays mold growth. But sulfite is a very sticky ions. Excessive built-up of sulfite salts in the human body can inhibit excretion of heavy metals. People with too much sulfite in the body feel as if they have chronic fatigue syndrome, with symptoms ranging from asthma to severe stomach cramps and tinnitus.
I hope were not being fooled, or played as they say. It has crossed my mind more then once, but I usually try to brush such off considering such things can go so overboard, and I see it do such in many people. But I have tried alot of things in my time, Im a bit alternative, aside from good old fashioned pain pills, "and Ill admit pain pills usually work",aside from that what has big pharma really offered us. I have found over the years nothing seems to beat the wonders of a magnet, believe it or not. The problem with magnets is there slow workers, but in a few hours, sometimes less they can stop pain, speed healing and more. Most stick a magnet on and 10 minutes later feel nothing and say oh it dont work,,but they really do wonders,,just ever slowly. I also noticed ozonating liquids seems to help sometimes, lots of liquids and deep breathing exercises for about an hour or two,,also a bit of electrical body zapping never hurt no one, with an electrical sticky pad type massager ,I guess that one kind of acts like a robert becker zapper there, but its a massager, all amazing helpful healing stuff there. And last but not least im sure, nibble on a live plant now and then, amazing things plants and herbs for health.
hi , you could try building lee crocks devise, he used his devise to cure 10000 people in 3 years using the same principle, as you are mentioning.there is a thread in overunity.com in his name.
Well I dont know about lee crock that much,,I just read about his when you mentioned it, seems an interesting fellow. Nothing wrong with trying experimental things for health, Ive tried a many myself. In fact Ill mention one that is fairly easy, as to does it work, only you can be the judge,,with trial and error, I guess. Take a ground wire,,coming from a rod in the earth, yes a house ground will work but may have stray AC signal in it. Now take a 9v battery, run the positive of the battery to the ground,,preferably thats a wire running to a pipe in the earth,,not your homes AC ground. Then take the negative of the battery, and wire that to a antistatic wrist band, then wear it say while your laying on your bed, for a night. In theory with the earth ground acting as one capacitor plate and your body acting as the other capacitor plate, well the same way a capacitor charges,,the earth ground will supply a little electrons to the positive of the battery, and some electrons will come off the negative of the battery going to your body. Think of it as perhaps an electrical or electronic antioxidant. And with some electrons added to the body,,and since extra electrons can help stop free radicals, by giving them the electron they want, less cellular damage occurs, in theory of course. And I guess Ill leave that as it is. Remember it took many years for aging and free radical damage to occur, so if this does help the body or health or even help stop or repair some cellular damage, it will not happen overnight..Best wishes,,stephen....
Quote from: stevensrd1 on November 12, 2010, 05:05:42 AM
Well I dont know about lee crock that much,,I just read about his when you mentioned it, seems an interesting fellow. Nothing wrong with trying experimental things for health, Ive tried a many myself. In fact Ill mention one that is fairly easy, as to does it work, only you can be the judge,,with trial and error, I guess. Take a ground wire,,coming from a rod in the earth, yes a house ground will work but may have stray AC signal in it. Now take a 9v battery, run the positive of the battery to the ground,,preferably thats a wire running to a pipe in the earth,,not your homes AC ground. Then take the negative of the battery, and wire that to a antistatic wrist band, then wear it say while your laying on your bed, for a night. In theory with the earth ground acting as one capacitor plate and your body acting as the other capacitor plate, well the same way a capacitor charges,,the earth ground will supply a little electrons to the positive of the battery, and some electrons will come off the negative of the battery going to your body. Think of it as perhaps an electrical or electronic antioxidant. And with some electrons added to the body,,and since extra electrons can help stop free radicals, by giving them the electron they want, less cellular damage occurs, in theory of course. And I guess Ill leave that as it is. Remember it took many years for aging and free radical damage to occur, so if this does help the body or health or even help stop or repair some cellular damage, it will not happen overnight..Best wishes,,stephen....
hi this is exactally opposite to what lee's has done.you can watch his video on utube where he mentions that you just need a copper tube which he groundes to eliminate his aura or the extra energy or the free radicals (i think) because that' extra energy you pickup from electric Fields,cellphones,computers etc. you watch his video maybe it may help you.
@ jas
Yes ty, I have seen his videos,,and schematics. The only issue I have for the poor fellow that passed away, in his urgency to help people, he charged 3000 bucks for his machine. Then he eventually out of the goodness of his heart Im sure, dropped the price to 1000 bucks. If I sound a bit sarcastic, Its because I am being such, 3000 bucks,,geesh the parts alone could be bought for under 50 bucks, and most likely less if you knew where to shop. I just find it odd when people act like there trying to help, then they offer a price tag, and the price tag is outrageous. If your trying to really help then give the information away for free, even if you need the money, you can still offer it cheap knowing everyone cant afford expensive stuff. And if it really works as good as described, eventually the word will get out, and everyone will buy it, even if its cheap, you would still in time get rich, see how that can still work and benefit the poor people..AH well,,just a personal ranting!
Quote from: stevensrd1 on November 14, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
@ jas
Yes ty, I have seen his videos,,and schematics. The only issue I have for the poor fellow that passed away, in his urgency to help people, he charged 3000 bucks for his machine. Then he eventually out of the goodness of his heart Im sure, dropped the price to 1000 bucks. If I sound a bit sarcastic, Its because I am being such, 3000 bucks,,geesh the parts alone could be bought for under 50 bucks, and most likely less if you knew where to shop. I just find it odd when people act like there trying to help, then they offer a price tag, and the price tag is outrageous. If your trying to really help then give the information away for free, even if you need the money, you can still offer it cheap knowing everyone cant afford expensive stuff. And if it really works as good as described, eventually the word will get out, and everyone will buy it, even if its cheap, you would still in time get rich, see how that can still work and benefit the poor people..AH well,,just a personal ranting!
their is a yahoo group for lee and i think over there u can find e-mail address of the person who was making circuits board for lee he is selling circuits boars foe 200 , i did not buy from him , since i am in India ,even 200 is very expensive.
you don't need to buy any circuits also you have free circuit diagram on the overunity thread or you could just but 10 d size cells connect them to make 3v output( 2 cells * 5 cells rows ) and keep on changing the terminal from -ve to +ve that's all and you also need some meshwire .that's all you need.
bye
hope it helps
@ jas
Ah I see,,well ty for the information..
I saw a diagram for a simple lee crock machine that could be built for less than 10 dollars.The drawback was you would have to manuelly switch the electric fields yourself.Since you are supposed to switch them once an hour
it would be hard to use this one at night When you sleep.triffid
A lee crock machine is only a large capacitor(insert one human to sleep in at night)
that changes its polarity(plus and minus sides)once an hour.Somehow this simple changing of weak(9 volts) electric fields are supposed to flush out toxins out of the human body.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 15, 2010, 07:01:30 AM
I saw a diagram for a simple lee crock machine that could be built for less than 10 dollars.The drawback was you would have to manuelly switch the electric fields yourself.Since you are supposed to switch them once an hour
it would be hard to use this one at night When you sleep.triffid
switching has to be done every 15 min
NOT 1 hr
Sorry I read one hour.Not 15 minutes.Even at one hour I considered it a hassle to get up and switch polarity.triffid
Whatever about free-energy, can you imagine what TPTB would do if someone released a cure of aging - internet goes down, nukes going off everywhere! I'm serious, it would never be allowed to happen. Now with a more manageable 'herd' of their stated goal of 300 million, I could see 'breakthroughs' being discovered in this area...
On the subject of aging cures, aren't the Hunza tribe supposed to age very well? Maybe our friend from India is better informed about this. One of the 'myths' doing the internet rounds for ages is that the Hunza's are cancer-free due to their large intake of apricots. What is not widely reported is that the Hunza's themselves put their good health and 'aging-gracefully' down to the water they drink.
Or maybe that's just more dis-info, who really knows for sure (apart from the Hunza's)...
Some real antiaging news?Lets hope so.http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/classes/bioc462/462bh2008/462bhonorsprojects/462bhonors1999/bentley/ase.html
At a $250 price tag every 6 months.I find it hard to join the immortal crowd But if it really works???? http://www.curebum.com/reneuve-telomerase-enzyme/ triffid
In China, there was once a taoist who was believed to have lived 256 years. My friend has published an article about him on ehow:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5048606_live-tips-world_s-oldest-person.html
According to Dr. F. Karach, who was the developer of oil pulling therapy, oil pulling can help people live longer:
http://crosscurrenthealthcare.com/Files/PDFs/OilPullingTherapy.pdf
Dear Blueplanet,Thanks for the two links.That oil pulling is something I will try.Triffid
Quote from: stevensrd1 on September 22, 2010, 10:21:07 AM
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And do you have any ideas how to get electrons for the body that can act as antioxidants?
The phenomenon of antioxidants is the ability to give or capture electrons but globally the body remains neutral. Electrons pass from molecules to others.
If you add electrons, you change only the potential of the body relative to the ground, you will not change the molecular reactions.
Imagine the body like the plate of a capacitor, and a current (= reaction of antioxidants) flows from one point of this plate to another one of the same plate. If you charge the capacitor and add electrons to this plate, you will not change in any way the flowing current, question of
gauge invariance.
@exni
You know I have no idea what you just said about gauge invariance, but then I dont claim to be the brightest apple on the tree lol. I did read up on it a bit, still clueless. However as to your analogy as antioxidants relating to current flowing on a plate. From my understanding, there is no given path, you might say the electrons are hopping all about in every direction, but still following a given direction. As to would any of my concepts work for an electrical antioxidant, if they dont Im sure there is a way, just an issue of finding it right. The body as a whole, if somewhere within it a free radical steals an electron, and starts a chain reaction, the reaction would possibly look like a lightning strike pattern seen in the sky, what direction the path of one molecule stealing anothers electron,,and then that one stealing another and so on, would be unpredictable of course. But like lightning, it has a start and an end path. For the human body,,the farthest path it could take would be to the skin, as the body ends there, assuming your not grounded. If your grounded of course the last electron in the lightning path of free radicals would be the ground, as one electron is finally taken from ground. Of course we can imagine possibly one could be taken from a breath of air, or even air or moisture touching the skin. But its also said the electron flow is the path of least resistance, or better yet the path to where electrons are, in relation to a free radical. And by having more electrons on the skin, as with even proven benefits of being grounded, as electrons can be taken into the body in that fashion, with electrons on the body, even the skin, when a free radical chain reaction happens, the electrons on the skin would be used. Its said human skin is more positive, one wonders is this because of touching things and losing electrons, or perhaps the inner body taking electrons from the skin, I really dont know. I have read that life itself is a process of free radical exchanges, meaning if there were no electron exchanges there would be no life. Some say there must be a balance even. Another thought would be a extremely low voltage flow passing across the skin, from that angle electrons would be entering point A and leaving point B on the skin. But in between these points, perhaps an electron or two can be taken by the body as needed to stop damaging free radical exchanges. Just a few more thoughts on the matter there.
I guessed that you didn't know what is "gauge invariance" but I spoke about it because I thought you could learn and study it, at least its principle, it is a key point in physics, avoiding all sorts of errors and explaining why your idea of adding electrons, which was attractive, in fact doesn't work.
I can't do more.
@exni
thank you for replying, I like others opinions on some things, gives a fresh perspective now and then. I still dont get why the overall concept would not work. I mean they sell antioxidants in pills. These are molecules that simply have an extra electron. So when the body has a free radical, instead of the lightning strike flow having to go to the surface of the skin or the ground to get an electron, it simple goes a little ways then reaches the molecule that can donate or spare an electron, "the antioxidant pill or vitamin" and the flow of electron stealing stops. At least this is what I read as to how antioxidant pills are suppose to work. Ill admit I dont get it all, oddly there just dont seem to be anyone else who does other..
Oil pulling is probably the least risky and least expensive option we have available.
Everything involving application of DC (or low frequency AC) can be dangerous.
@blue
Well you may be right, who knows. I did find some interesting reading on the parasite hulda clark zapper. Be it as good as they say or not who knows. You know it could be possible this is the wrong path altogether, in relation to some form of alternative way to boost health. Sure we have the vitamins and minerals and so many other alternative, and not so alternative ways out there. But just what all has really been discovered. I sometimes imagine had I been born in say the 1400`s for example, even with the bit of scientific thinking I have, how long would it have taken me, before I took a long piece of wire and wrapped it,,and then moved a magnet about it, just to discover the "now" seemingly simple concept of say generating electricity. I mean really, all those ages ago, and who would have ever thought of that, much less tried it. Perhaps there is a lot humanity dont know, but so many think so much is known. For example here is a thought. If spinning a magnet in a coil or vice versa can generate an energy, called electricity. The could there be other things that can be made to spin, or spun in or on or around other things to generate other forms of energy. Dare we say electricity is the only form of energy? Could there be other beneficial types of energy in perhaps kinetic transfers, or maybe all energies are a type of kinetic transfer, from one thing to another.
So little we know,,so much to learn right, its all just amazing.
My dad who worked at repairing Tv sets and radios for a living most of his adult life told me he always felt better after a mild electric shock.(he told me this when he was in his 70's).He passed away at age 86.I always wondered What might be going on there.triffid
@triff
There is a safer way, use a solar panel, negative of solar panel to human body, positive of solar panel to earth ground. Solar panel should produce around 3 or 4 volts from room light. Electrons will be pumped to human body, as body needs them it will take them, simple external antioxidant. In theory I will say so as to not offend anyone. I think this is the best method for an external electrical antioxidant. Dont expect overnight miracles if its used during sleep. Aging comes from years of free radical damage, so reversing it to whatever degree is possible, can as well. This is not a substitute for your doctor. Best wishes..
I heard somewhere that sleeping inside a magnetic field slows down the aging process.That is a magnetic field stronger than the earths magnetic field.I guess one would line magnets around the bed?triffid
No idea about that one, magnets do seem to help with many health issues, but they work slowly. Suppose one could make a tunnel, large enough to sleep in, and around that wrap alot of wire, thus making a coil, then apply DC power to that to turn it into a magnetic field. Try sleeping in it with the power wires one way,,that puts a north and south at set ends of the coil, or reverse the power wires to reverse the magnetic field, so many experiments to try no doubt. And if I had funding I would surely try them all, would take years of trials and errors to find something that worked. But I think such things should be tried for the betterment of humanity.