An Anwser is well known but to us? Free plans for GEET multi fuel chamber can even burn water. (oops) OPEN SOURCE
http://www.geet.nl/freeplans-eu.htm
GEET has to be a scam. Surely 'plasma' would melt the pipe like butter.
Surely you must one of those ignorant american with an ego .
Some americans are a real pain in the ass , they create bad emotionnal loops of destruction for themselves , thats why so many die of cancer .
Adressing other people besides this person .
Stevie1001 and many others proved that it works , stability might not be there for non-perfected builds but it consitently works .
Quote from: dankie on September 22, 2010, 06:33:10 PM
Surely you must be an ignorant american who has no skills besides arguing .
Americans are a real pain in the ass .
Facts are sometimes annoying. Please tell me how ordinary metal pipe could withstand the temperatures generated by plasma, or how the GEET could in any possible way generate said plasma. Ever hear of a plasma cutter? Know what it's used for? It's a scam.
Read the facts before you condem this. Aussie and French Governments are using this so are 100's more. This is based on a well known principle just suppressed so others shy away or sour grapes it. Pearls before "what"? -100C and 400C fracture the fluids as do the generated magnetic field (in the goss till 4 ft) This is state of the art refractor what a sucessful moe cell hopes to do and more it seems. Looks simple and I looked today at the pipe costs they are 3-4 US dollars each average. So not a huge investment. Ever notice how trolls find the working devices topics quickly? This is thermo dynamics, reusing wasted heat and pressure flows to do extra work which pay off in the form of more useful work. Where is any request of ANY kind for your gold?? LOL your funny!
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Quote from: Hope on September 22, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
Read the facts before you condem this. Aussie and French Governments are using this so are 100's more. This is based on a well known principle just suppressed so others shy away or sour grapes it. Pearls before "what"? -100C and 400C fracture the fluids as do the generated magnetic field (in the goss till 4 ft) This is state of the art refractor what a sucessful moe cell hopes to do and more it seems. Looks simple and I looked today at the pipe costs they are 3-4 US dollars each average. So not a huge investment. Ever notice how trolls find the working devices topics quickly? This is thermo dynamics, reusing wasted heat and pressure flows to do extra work which pay off in the form of more useful work. Where is any request of ANY kind for your gold?? LOL your funny!
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It's 'grammar,' and the suppression excuse gets a little old. It's a vapor carburetor attached to a pipe within a pipe, which certainly does not produce plasma (super-heated gas), which would absolutely melt said pipes. I'm sorry, but from everything I've read about the GEET it's a scam. Don't take it personally.
Hey quit the babble please, first study this subject not ignorantly troll it. MIT tested this device and proved it does have these properties. Then MIT changed the heat source to another type and pattened it. You just need to read the science journals included in the website. Ask Ash if it works!
edited the knuckles dragging remark out.
Quote from: Hope on September 22, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
Hey quit the unread babble please, MIT tested this device and proved it does have these properties. Then MIT changed the heat source to another type and pattened it. LOL your arrogance shows your knuckles drag the ground when you walk. You just need to read the science journals included in the website. Ask Ash if it works!
I know this is a sensitive subject, since you have invested your entire ego structure in the idea that the GEET is not a scam. Paul Pantone's device is a scam.I have both read about his supposed 'vortexes' and watched his videos. Plans are available, build one and prove me wrong. Good luck.
MIT must also therefore be a scam, huh? Your on the job, huh? LOL
Us 10, Sour Grapes 0
Quote from: Hope on September 22, 2010, 10:05:54 PM
MIT must also therefore be a scam, huh? Your on the job, huh? LOL
Yes. show me one working GEET, with verified results. Plans have been around for years, where is it?
Sour grapes? all yours, bud.
There are over 100 PICTURED installed devices WORKING shown on their website and many others MIT have and are still using. It must get cold under that bridge? Anyone serious about seeking answers will find at least READING the material helps.
Quote from: Hope on September 23, 2010, 10:19:44 AM
There are over 100 PICTURED installed devices WORKING shown on their website and many others MIT have and are still using. It must get cold under that bridge? Anyone serious about seeking answers will find at least READING the material helps.
If you're talking about the Plasmatron at MIT, it's not a GEET. Geet kits are available, as are plans. Pictures on their site don't add up to much of anything. Tommey Reed did a challenge on youtube, claimed it's just a vapor carb. No takers, but a lot of complainers.
yes what a challenge !!!!
look at this thread :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=726.msg218352#msg218352 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=726.msg218352#msg218352)
@plasma temperatures + melting pipes
This might be way off base, I'm new to high voltages, etc. However I recently finished building my first tesla coil, and it's a monster. :) Arent the massive purple discharges from the coil @500kV+ plasma discharges?
Being a good male, the first thing I did once I finally had her operational, was put a grapefruit on the top load. It didn't even get slightly warm - disappointing (skin effect?), given it was 1kW of power. Next I put a cold unopened bottle of beer on the top load. Not even a fizzy froth when I opened it afterward and drank it. But it was fun watching the arcing inside of the bottle before discharging upwards from the bottle cap :)
Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there, I had the impression that tesla coil discharges were plasma discharges, but they produce no apparent heat in any medium they are traversing.
)) Smiles to you for your correct observation, when radiant energies combine we can make things not normally seen happen. This is how life and the universe works. Some times we KNOW what will happen other times something DIFFERENT happens. Go figure! We can make OU also, like nature does so often. It is not FORBIDDEN as so many seem to believe. IT IS SUPPRESSED!!!!!! Make This Dream an opportunity! Try this device, Let us smash this ignorance and regain control of this fear munging fed admin. Soon we will all find this truth to be self evident, why not NOW! As far as I can glean you will at least get 30% to 60% better mileage, so what is the harm. Get them fears buried, lets start getting BACK in control.
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If misdirection is an indicator, then this topic which was hijacked to CORN BOILERS must be a threat to the GAS company. All we really said was magnetically zap all components before trying to resonate them. Then resonate coil one and three 180 degrees out of phase. THEN capture the OU on and in between coil 2. WHAT this sum sort of threat???? I wonder why? I have NEVER posted or read the CORN BOILER topic, thou this thread was sent there for replies. UMMMMMMMMMM? Maybe this works like all who have FOLLOW the specs say it does.???
Quote from: Hope on September 24, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
If misdirection is an indicator, then this topic which was hijacked to CORN BOILERS must be a threat to the GAS company. All we really said was magnetically zap all components before trying to resonate them. Then resonate coil one and three 180 degrees out of phase. THEN capture the OU on and in between coil 2. WHAT this sum sort of threat???? I wonder why? I have NEVER posted or read the CORN BOILER topic, thou this thread was sent there for replies. UMMMMMMMMMM? Maybe this works like all who have FOLLOW the specs say it does.???
It wasn't corn boilers, look at earlier pages in the thread. Tommey Reed built a GEET and showed it was simply a vapor carb. The extra pipe within a pipe did nothing, other than generate heat and waste energy. It was a series of maybe 20 videos, with test results. I don't know why his youtube channels continuously disappear, it's frustrating. the latest one is http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeEnergyNow1 but the full geet test isn't there.
Quote from: happyfunball on September 24, 2010, 01:52:15 AM
It wasn't corn boilers, look at earlier pages in the thread. Tommey Reed built a GEET and showed it was simply a vapor carb. The extra pipe within a pipe did nothing, other than generate heat and waste energy. It was a series of maybe 20 videos, with test results. I don't know why his youtube channels continuously disappear, it's frustrating. the latest one is http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeEnergyNow1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeEnergyNow1) but the full geet test isn't there.
yes Tommey Reed understood that it was not useful !!
there is plenty of replications in france !!
Your correct about Tommey Reeds claiming GEET doesn't do anything except dry vapor the fuel (multi fuels even). But on his test rig he ONLY has a pipe and bubbler NO GEET. Even then it runs off fuel vapor that is mixed with a lot of water. ????? I can live with dry vapor fuel from water with gas in it. Then Reed claims that no work can be done (with the engine RUNNING and LIGHTING 1000 Watts of LIGHTS) I guess Tommey is using negative logic to show it works!
Quote from: Hope on September 24, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
Your correct about Tommey Reeds claiming GEET doesn't do anything except dry vapor the fuel (multi fuels even). But on his test rig he ONLY has a pipe and bubbler NO GEET. Even then it runs off fuel vapor that is mixed with a lot of water. ????? I can live with dry vapor fuel from water with gas in it. Then Reed claims that no work can be done (with the engine RUNNING and LIGHTING 1000 Watts of LIGHTS) I guess Tommey is using negative logic to show it works!
Only fuel vapor is being burned. He doesn't claim a fuel carb can do no work when hooked to an engine, he claims and showed that the GEET pipe setup does nothing but waste energy when incorporated into the system.
Quote from: happyfunball on September 24, 2010, 05:42:06 PM
Only fuel vapor is being burned. He doesn't claim a fuel carb can do no work when hooked to an engine, he claims and showed that the GEET pipe setup does nothing but waste energy when incorporated into the system.
I am very sorry but tommey reed is wrong !! and he is knowing that point
Geet reactor
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2010, 09:27:15 AM
Geet reactor
yes but this one is from 2000 , it is not so good
I put a lot of reference on the other thread
There are many people have built and use these devices, it is very funny the TROLLS are useless here. You can contact real people using these. It took me 6 months of reading energy news and developments just to find one obscure reference to GEET. No wonder most people never discovered it was open source, just look at the google lookups very limited. SHARE THIS LINK THIS And thank you for killing those trolls.
Please provide working links to your other information on the GEET, it will save many time. What are the formulas for ROD sizes versus the inner pipe diameter so we can do your own ramp ups. In one of the videos Paul runs this motor on sugar water alone.
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperso.orange.fr%2Fquanthommesuite%2Fhelico1.htm&.intl=us
This device on a helicopter in france, working fine.
Quote from: Hope on September 25, 2010, 11:39:18 AM
Please provide working links to your other information on the GEET, it will save many time. What are the formulas for ROD sizes versus the inner pipe diameter so we can do your own ramp ups. In one of the videos Paul runs this motor on sugar water alone.
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperso.orange.fr%2Fquanthommesuite%2Fhelico1.htm&.intl=us (http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperso.orange.fr%2Fquanthommesuite%2Fhelico1.htm&.intl=us)
This device on a helicopter in france, working fine.
I have a lot of reference in french look at this
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8510.msg216582#msg216582 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8510.msg216582#msg216582)
in english you can look at panacea , ask to Ash
you can get some kit here
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pour ceux qui ne savent pas faire un montage pantone efficace
il y a 2 kit en vente sur internet :
hypnow retrokit nano
http://img223.imageshack.us/i/hydroxynano.jpg/ (http://img223.imageshack.us/i/hydroxynano.jpg/)
et
Ecopra kit
http://www.econologie.com/forums/gillier-pantone-images-du-kit-ecopra-par-la-copra-vt4456.html (http://www.econologie.com/forums/gillier-pantone-images-du-kit-ecopra-par-la-copra-vt4456.html)
http://img91.imageshack.us/i/panaceaecopra.jpg/ (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/panaceaecopra.jpg/)
1997 Mitsubishi Delica turbo diesel fitted with Ecopra
http://img91.imageshack.us/i/rimg0124.jpg/ (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/rimg0124.jpg/)
http://img91.imageshack.us/i/rimg0125.jpg/ (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/rimg0125.jpg/)
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/DopageVitry_English.pdf (http://www.panaceauniversity.org/DopageVitry_English.pdf)
Quote from: tagor on September 25, 2010, 12:11:03 PM
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/DopageVitry_English.pdf (http://www.panaceauniversity.org/DopageVitry_English.pdf)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=726.0;attach=40408 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=726.0;attach=40408)
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Nice pictures. Any testing testing vs a simple vapor carb setup, which is what this actually is?
Quote from: happyfunball on September 26, 2010, 12:42:20 AM
Nice pictures. Any testing testing vs a simple vapor carb setup, which is what this actually is?
are you kinding ?
I put so much data !! , look at the links above
Quote from: tagor on September 26, 2010, 12:45:40 AM
are you kinding ?
I put so much data !! , look at the links above
I looked. Lots of spurious mumbo jumbo about a 'reactor' and 80% efficiency increases. No direct comparison to the efficiency of a simple vapor carb.
Quote from: happyfunball on September 26, 2010, 01:13:36 AM
I looked. Lots of spurious mumbo jumbo about a 'reactor' and 80% efficiency increases. No direct comparison to the efficiency of a simple vapor carb.
you are a troll , go away
Quote from: tagor on September 26, 2010, 01:50:20 AM
you are a troll , go away
Well that was predictable. Let me know when your GEET is up and running.
Quote from: happyfunball on September 26, 2010, 01:13:36 AM
I looked. Lots of spurious mumbo jumbo about a 'reactor' and 80% efficiency increases. No direct comparison to the efficiency of a simple vapor carb.
hi man can you start a thread about vapor carbs and throw some links in ?.
..i dont mind be educated.
Why would we clue you when our devices are benefiting us, your POSITIVE it is not worthwhile. It would be like throwing our time away. Learn to apply your reading skills.
Quote from: Hope on September 26, 2010, 02:23:54 AM
Why would we clue you when our devices are benefiting us, your POSITIVE it is not worthwhile. It would be like throwing our time away. Learn to apply your reading skills.
'Your' devices, huh. the GEET and information about the GEET has been around a long time. It's a scam.
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 26, 2010, 02:16:40 AM
hi man can you start a thread about vapor carbs and throw some links in ?.
..i dont mind be educated.
It's simply a bubbler carb. Whereas normal carburetor function is to mix air/fuel pre-combustion, a vapor carb converts the fuel to vapor through agitation with water. Tommey built one, they haven't often been used. Google will return as much info as you need. Paul Pantone claims the GEET will run on urine, ketchup, anything carbon based. He's a con artist liar. In reality, these substances sink to the bottom of the vapor carb and stay there, while vaporized gasoline fuels the engine. Pantone has made a tidy living off bilking suckers out of their money for his worthless GEET plans. T.Reed challenged anyone to prove him wrong, no one stepped forward. Considering the multitudes of youtube videos claiming GEET works, you'd think it would have been a simple matter. It wasn't.
So what your saying is an Anton cell coupled with a reactor would not enhance into a self running system. I just wanted to show you why devices like this will add to self running systems. The GEET takes money out of oil profits so it is a threat. It can use many fuel types. We can take an Anton or Meyers cell and couple its technology with Nadin reactor and do work with mere water. The greatest rub is people discouraging others NOT TO TRY. EVEN (i repeat) if I only gain 10/20/30 % and burn cleaner this is a good step. Gate this Geet gas thru a KingFisher valve (throttle plate reeds) and we have a larger threat = automobile usage. I firmly believe that COMBINED technologies will move us closer to our goals.
And Borg there are old and newer models of these devices. They are useful and with a finely controlled heat source will serve as a multi liquid micro refinery, at least this is what MIT pattened it for (20% change I guess from Paul's).
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Ok all, I have 90% of my reactor complete and have a welder interested in this project. He says the weldable pipe pieces are MUCH cheaper (of course he welds) and has agreed to weld the next reactor. Hunting season is busy for us (we don't hunt but our friends need our help)so we will be busy these 2 weeks. JL Naudin seems to have even a water spark plug working. Amazing. Naudin now has a mower that is shown running on tap water. He mows the lawn even. That engine sounds great!
Hope,
Do you have a link to the mower that runs on water?
Thanks
Chet
PS
Jesus
In your post #30 on this thread you show what looks like a geet reactor?
Is that your design? anymore info would be appreciated!
Quote from: ramset on October 09, 2010, 08:14:10 PM
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Jesus
In your post #30 on this thread you show what looks like a geet reactor?
Is that your design? anymore info would be appreciated!
It is not mine. It is the one taken from a pdf posted earlier on this topic.
Attachment plate will be made this week. The PROOF-OF-CONCEPT working model from JL Naudin is my choice to build (95%complete). Due to my living on an island the supplies cost around 150 USD but if you can get it welded instead (and don't live on an island full of pirates (ARGH!), you'll get yours made for half what mine cost. The valves cost the most. Get ball check valves don't skimp, heat comes through them fine. I am trying modified boiler drains (replaced rubber gasket with copper washers). I only save 3 dollars each this way. I find that the drain type valves adjust finer. I will re-post if they DO work better. AND the video was on the Rexresearch site of the water mower running cutting grass (maybe it is not Naudin mowing) but it is his design and looks far improved and simplified. Mostly you can only see the BLACK painted bubbler with is over the reactor. USE the 9/16 rod size for under 10 HP and ASK the website for dimensions for larger engines.
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If the geet reactor is what is shown in this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6849353333190625456#
Then not only is it a pitiful attempt at a fraud it is an amazingly dangerous one at that.
Firstly.
Plasma can be hot or cold. plasma is simply an ionised gas. or put it another way a gas in which some of the electrons have been stripped out to create a gas which in now electrically conductive.
Plasma is very common there is NOTHING special about it. we use it in plasma balls for fun but we also use it in TV's, fluorescent tubes, neon signs, particle accelerators etc etc. It does not have any weird scientific nature.
The device he shows in the video is nothing more than a vapour carburetor. I know I was experimenting with vapour carburetors back in 1980. My own was called VIPER (Vapour injection power and economy regulator) apart from a cool name it never really got anywhere because it had been patented hundreds of times before in many different forms
In the video he mentions it can run on anything as long as you have 20% hydrocarbons. What a load of shite.
because its a vapour carburetor it means the fuel is vapourised and used, the other stuff just gums up the works and would have to be thrown out or more fuel added.
For example in the video he states it runs on gasoline and sugar. have you ever boiled sugar and water? when the water boils off you are left with caramelised sugar. so none, or very little of the sugar enters the engine.
Does it create a plasma?
Hell No!
To create a plasma you need a potential difference in electron volts. its the potential difference that strips out the electrons and creates the ionised gas or plasma. Most plasma's operate at a voltage in excess of 150 volts, normally around 300volts. I saw no evidence of an electrical charge in his vapour chamber. Therefore NO PLASMA.
If he had created a plasma what effect would it have on the motor? Well to put it simply, none at all. Please feel welcome to provide some scientific evidence to prove some sort of unusual reaction plasma would introduce into a petrol engine.
Is it dangerous?
VERY! if you intend to build one be very careful.
Petrol or gasoline is a liquid and as a liquid is not volatile. No I kid you not. its the vapour that is highly volatile. and you can't have petrol without vapour, even at very low temperatures. this is what makes petrol dangerous.
In the engine as shown he has a bubbler using a glass jar, through that bubbler he runs air and in some images I have seen even some exhaust gasses. The bubbler creates vapour. That vapour is highly volatile any spark could cause it to explode, he then runs it through his tube which has hot exhaust gasses running down the middle of it. supposedly to create a plasma. In fact all he is creating is hot vapour. the hotter he runs it it just means you get hotter vapour. Because he is running it next to a hot exhaust if anything fails it could ignite the vapour. if that's the case that glass jar becomes a small explosive device.
If anything such as a dag of weld in his joins overheats or the exhaust burns through the inner pipe it could ignite. An external source could also do it, or in the version where some exhaust feeds back into the bubbler a small piece of hot carbon from the cylinder could do it.
If that happens anyone near it will be picking shards of glass out of themselves for weeks.
CC
LOL Hi ChrisC You newbied AGAIN cus all here know your a troll. These work and are NOT under your review. You NEVER ONCE have given a positive review. Your lousy at trolling. LOL. Paul Pantone NEVER claimed hocus pocus of any kind, MIT did! (and does) Your sounding like a person claiming the world is flat, lol. Did your vapor carb refract all gases into HO (or even HHO)? And your concerns about safety are great and like most government ideas, are based on fear tactics. WE BEST NEVER EVEN TRY, right? If ANY TECHNOLOGY was commonly used ALL WOULD BE MADE AWARE of how to safety handle it. (Look at natural gas, same concerns.)
My welding friend is very busy just now and I will mark the adapter plate for cutting later. Hope to have it mounted soon. I have read on JL Naudin's prototype it is good to spot weld the reaction chamber to keep it from thermo creeping apart over time. The copper washers are center cut to allow the 1/2 pipe passage. My 1 inch adapter tee is 3/4 where the 1/2 pipe goes thru and fits well.
Hope, the link in your first post in this thread seems to give nothing but a blank page. Do you have the plans available or can you email them if you don't have any other working web links? I have some older plans on the lawnmower setup if that is the same thing. I saw Pantone and a geet in person many years ago. I guess I assumed this didn't work that well or it would have taken off better. However now I think maybe it is just that most people are too lazy to change the way things are now even if it could save them money. Good luck with your project. I look forward to your results.