Quote from: aether22 on June 15, 2008, 11:47:30 PM
By saying this you know you are full of it, we all know you are full of it and you know we know (and so on).

Relax, A22, it's just a bit of fun. But the technical info I post is for real and can all be readily substantiated with just a bit of googling.

Quote from: OUmon on June 15, 2008, 11:53:09 PM
Relax, A22, it's just a bit of fun.

I think it might be fun to you, even a sport.

To us it isn't about fun, we put our money, time, blood sweat and even sometimes tears into this due to the importance of the cause, which is not to make money but to profoundly help the world (literally humanity and earth) and advance science against those who would rather science and humanity stagnate.

And while we do find some fun in doing what we are driven to do we could be having quite a bit more fun and profit doing other things.

I have a few questions.

Could Thane or JustMe visit you in Carp, just to verify that you really do live there?

Do you believe Free Energy/UO is real/possible/likely with current technology? (I would note that the 'created' .vs 'extracted from a seemingly unlimited and non obvious source' is a philosophical issue up there with the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin, it can never be settled or known and hence is of no value here)

Since there is no way to 'explain away' many of the results that have been found with this device (you have just ignored these facts) beyond accusing the experimenter of lying, error or very poorly conducted experiments do you give this a chance of being the real thing?

Do you think you will ever attempt a replication and have you in the past ever tried to build any OU/FE device?

What do you think of the part you play in the FE effort, how would you describe it? Tyre kicker?

What would you say your motivation is for haunting the thread?

Quote from: aether22 on June 16, 2008, 01:04:59 AM
(I would note that the 'created' .vs 'extracted from a seemingly unlimited and non obvious source' is a philosophical issue up there with the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin, it can never be settled or known and hence is of no value here)

philosophical issue     oh no ... croak 

Science is all about the When and How of What. "What" being the "object/ive" of observation.

Philosophy is all about the Who and Why, and is therefore highly subjective. Let's stick with science ... please ... it's easier .. KneeDeep   

Quote from: hoptoad on June 16, 2008, 03:28:39 AM
philosophical issue     oh no ... croak 

Science is all about the When and How of What. "What" being the "object/ive" of observation.

Philosophy is all about the Who and Why, and is therefore highly subjective. Let's stick with science ... please ... it's easier .. KneeDeep   

Not quite sure if you mean you disagree that it is a philosophical issue, but no one can disprove that energy may be created since you can't prove a non specific negative. (especially outside of pure math)
And no one could prove that if energy is appearing seemingly having been created that energy is not never the less being lost elsewhere in equal portions.

So it comes down to a philosophical issue, what you choose to believe.

To know the answers to these questions is impossible because to do so you would have to know all that is and know that there is nothing outside of your knowledge, one could even argue that would be a tall order for even a/the God to know that there is nothing that could possibly be outside of his knowledge.

As I say, it's philosophy not science.
Since no one can disprove that Free Energy may be created by one of the 2 methods then no one can say that FE is a waste of time and be speaking about anything other than a personal opinion of how likely they feel such a discovery would be.

What must be remembered by anyone being fair is that Free Energy has been discovered many times but failed to get a foot hold due to the hostile reception both from those that don't believe and more so from those that do and wish to protect various status quo's, those who contribute only criticism are not looked on kindly especially when they show signs of not being interested in the truth but merely attacking.

And when they show they are manipulative and incredibly persistent despite a total lack of payoff one may even reason the payoff lies somewhere else.

Quote from: aether22 on June 16, 2008, 03:52:56 AM
Not quite sure if you mean you disagree that it is a philosophical issue, ...........

I agree that it can be a philosophical issue. But I do think the stated issue is more likely to arouse passionate scientific rather than philosophical debate.
I would just prefer that the thread content remained the domain of gathered experimental results, accompanied with observational, and empirical data.
Oh yeh, and the occasional bit of non-abusive SHOUTING and good humour 

Hoptoads are pretty low on philosophical understanding but we can slurp a fly at 10 cm .... KneeDeep ... please keep it simple for me....