Quote from: enki09 on June 19, 2008, 10:31:50 PM
Just another comment on your reply. Even if there were zero current through the cell it would not be OU. Why? Because you have to take into account the energy that is required to keep the 60hz signal from the AC line pulsing through the cell. You can do some really wild stuff with water and magnets and electricity. I was doing a lot of active experimentation and recording it on my old website here:

http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870

Check out the "My Ideas" pages if you want. I have come a long way since then but it was fun.

Thanks for the link - I actually stumbled onto the 'permanent magnets effecting electrolysis' page via google just yesterday!

I'm confused on the zero current issue - I have been doing almost exactly as you describe and have measured 6-8 amps flowing.  Put another way, do you agree that the power used in your setup was similar to that used by a kettle?

Ok, well pure water is an insulator and acts as a dielectric. So the amount of current that you have flowing in a cell is in direct proportion to the amount of electrolyte that has been added to the water. The less electrolyte, the lower the current flow. I was trying to hold the current as low as I could and still get the heating effect since the less current that is used the less power is consumed.

Of course if you are producing H2 and O2 at the same time then you can say that the power (or at least some of it) that is being used is actually stored in the form of potential chemical energy represented by the H2 and O2 gases

But one of my 'revelations' here had to do with having tried to boil pure distilled water, nothing happened - no current (or practically none) and no heating of the water took place.  Having already experimented with electrolysis, I knew that with DC no current would flow with out electrolyte, but presumed it would be different with AC (it wasn't!).  Upon adding a microscopic amount of baking soda, it was pulling 3-6 amps.  So I now understand why you'd get no current flowiing with pure water, I just don't understand how you were managing to boil it - sounds like the Davey 'magic' we are seeking here!  Also, there's no HHO of consequence being produced in my mains AC setups.

enki09,

"The Anode (d) goes directly to ground (g) in the breaker box. There is a 10 amp circuit breaker between the Anode and the ground and a 20 amp breaker in the breaker box on the switch side."

very interesting, did you tested it without circuit breakers ? also : how long or big were your wires , or was there a capacitance effect in wires , maybe a circuit breaker box contained capacitor ?

ok.I think that if there is some secret hidden here then it must be an electric circuit which cause sonic response in cell container (spherical). Eighter it is electromagnet action or Davey device is purely current tranducer which generated concentrated sound waves causing high pressure in the focal point.
First I must l test purely resistance immersion heater method because transducer way is more complicated. Depending on inner bell curvature there will be different focal point of interferencing sound waves. Good news is that only a minimal power is required for transducer.