12-10 wire, the electrodes were stainless sheets and pretty thin.

I took it straight to ground at first but then used a breaker just to be safe.

It isn't magic. With or without current flow you still have the electromagnetic wave through the cell spinning the water. The ground electrode is of a constant charge and the "hot" electrode is cycling through the range of maximum to minimum charge 60 times per second. You see? Even with no current the wave is present in the water and could spin the molecules.

The cell in that case is acting like a water capacitor.

Quote from: enki09 on June 20, 2008, 02:39:58 AM
I could boil a quart of water in 60 seconds with virtually zero current through the jar.
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Even if there were zero current through the cell it would not be OU. Why? Because
you have to take into account the energy that is required to keep the 60hz signal from
the AC line pulsing through the cell.
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With or without current flow you still have the electromagnetic wave through the cell spinning the water. The ground electrode is of a constant charge and the "hot" electrode is cycling through the range of maximum to minimum charge 60 times per second. You see? Even with no current the wave is present in the water and could spin the molecules.

Quote from: enki09 on June 20, 2008, 02:39:58 AM

@Enki09 very useful information. So where is the electrical energy consumed then?

Electrmagnetic wave is spinning the water ok. Good point. But in Davey's device  there must be also
acoustic energy.

As these electrode heaters are 99.9% efficient, adding the acoustic energy
into the equation may be the jump factor into the OU territory.

Until now I believe our experimenters have realised the electromagnetic energy transfer
into the water. Now it is upto adding the acoustic part of it.

I came accross the following little bit of info:
   Heat: this is the energy of vibrating particles in a substance.
   Sound: this is the energy of vibrating particles.

Interesting?

Quote from: enki09 on June 20, 2008, 09:07:10 AM

I could boil a quart of water in 60 seconds with virtually zero current through the jar.
----------------------------------------
Even if there were zero current through the cell it would not be OU. Why? Because
you have to take into account the energy that is required to keep the 60hz signal from
the AC line pulsing through the cell.
--------------------------------------
With or without current flow you still have the electromagnetic wave through the cell spinning the water. The ground electrode is of a constant charge and the "hot" electrode is cycling through the range of maximum to minimum charge 60 times per second. You see? Even with no current the wave is present in the water and could spin the molecules.

@Enki09 very useful information. So where is the electrical energy consumed then?

Electrmagnetic wave is spinning the water ok. Good point. But in Davey's device  there must be also
acoustic energy.

As these electrode heaters are 99.9% efficient, adding the acoustic energy
into the equation may be the jump factor into the OU territory.

Until now I believe our experimenters have realised the electromagnetic energy transfer
into the water. Now it is upto adding the acoustic part of it.

I came accross the following little bit of info:
   Heat: this is the energy of vibrating particles in a substance.
   Sound: this is the energy of vibrating particles.

Interesting?

To all who are interested : read patent no 3230506 E.J. Hellund "Pressure pulsation generator"

There is described a sonic tranducer and an electric circuit drawing it by capacitor discharge over the spark gap.The result are concentrated acoustic waves generating high pressure in focal point.Look at all embodiments pictures.Isn't that similar to Davey or even Thrapp devices ?

That's the patent I would like to test later.

i was looking into the capacitive possibilities of water recently, with regard to another project

i read, on a Physics Forum, a question about the dielectric nature of water - the answer was along the lines of:
  "water is a a good dielectric - however, it also exhibits highly mobile ion activity making it conduct easily; when it changes state to ice, then the ion mobility decreases & the dielectric nature comes back to the fore"

am i right in thinking that 'distilled' water is also referred to as 'de-ionised' water?

if so, then this would explain a difference in behavior between 'tap' water & 'distilled', where the water is effectively becoming part of a capacitor formed between the live & neutral electrodes

adding some electrolyte into the de-ionised water would turn the arrangement from a non-polarised capacitance to a polarised one (ie. electrolytic capacitor)

these recent discoveries (and previous accounts) are moving the action of the Davey Heater in an interesting new direction

Harold Aspden had some enlightening things to say about his belief that the effect of an electric field between capacitor plates imparted angular-momentem to the crystal-lattice type structure making up the background fabric of the universe - the Vacuum Medium, in Quantum Physics terms (aka the 'aether' in past thinking)

the angular momentum could then be dissipated as energy to a local system and appear as anomalous, additional energy - ie 'free energy'/overunity operation

Aspden believed this electric field / angular-momentum effect would be significantly strengthened by using concentric/circular capacitors (eg. Davey's patent's cyclinders; concentric bells?)

it was his writings that inspired me to start my own investigation of possible overunity operation with switched-charge circuits using spiral-rolled electrolytic capacitors - now showing results with an (energy expended) / (energy supplied) ratio of 1.2

great work all

best
sandy

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