Quote from: LarryC on June 28, 2008, 06:48:57 PM
Hi Thane,

Yes, that is good news. In your latest document, the explanation for the difference in the HV and HC coils, made a lot of sense to me. Do you have any idea on how the new setup is working? At first, when you said you going to overlap them, it seemed like there would be just a big flux fu fight. Having two coil/cores together, and each coil/core being able to effect each other along with the magnets is mind bending.

Also wondering if you tried the new mag setup with your old HC and HV coil setup? I am still amazed at how the HV's  coil short could possibly reduce the HC's voltage.

Kinda quiet here, I think Luc got the spooks sweating buckshot right now.

Regards, Larry

I SENT A DRAWING TO JM FOR POSTING BUT I AM SURE SHE IS AT THE COTTAGE ON THIS CANADIAN LONG WEEKEND - CANADA DAY.

AT ANY RATE IF YOU DRAW THE FLUX COMING OUT OF THE HV COIL AND THE FLUX COMING OUT OF THE HC COIL YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY INDEED "FEED" EAT OTHER.

IMPORTANT: THIS DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME HC CORE MATERIAL ON TOP OF THE HV COIL.

ACTUALLY THAT IS AN "OLD" MAGNET ROTOR - IT IS THE FIRST ONE I MADE - 2 YEARS AGO.

QuoteI am still amazed at how the HV's  coil short could possibly reduce the HC's voltage.

TO ME IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF CORE RELUCTANCE - WHICH INCREASES WITH FLUX MAGNITUDES.

QuoteKinda quiet here, I think Luc got the spooks sweating buckshot right now.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE A SPOOK - GOING UP AGAINST LUC IS NOT GONNA WORK!

T

Quote from: hoptoad on June 28, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
It would appear that one possible moral of the story is : don't get paranoid, get solenoid !   
Cheers, good luck and KneeDeep 

@ EVERYONE,

SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE - I HAVE BEEN UNDER TONS OF PRESSURE!
AND I FEEL AS THOUGH - TOGETHER "WE" HAVE CREATED A REAL "DIAMOND" OF A DESIGN - IN WHICH EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE AND SHARE - EVEN PB!

GQ MAGAZINE IS PUTTING OUT AN ARTICLE NEXT MONTH AND MIT HAS REQUESTED MORE INFO AFTER AN OUGHTRIGHT REJECTION SOME MONTHS BACK. NIEL YOUNG, NASA, AND THE GREEK ARMY MAY BE IN THE PICTURE AS WELL TO VARYING DEGREES - ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

SO THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS SHARE AND BE-AWARE
GREED AND FEAR ARE EVERYWHERE
BUT - IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER THERE - MAY BE SOME HOPE AFTER ALL
FOR THIS SHIT HOLE WE ALL SHARE.

CHERRIOS
T

Quote from: Koen1 on June 25, 2008, 08:01:58 AM
Hold on a minute...

the Peripiteia came into the spotlight because the thing
behaves in a way that it should not according to theory,
in that it receives a "kick" instead of getting slowed down... right?
At least, that's what was claimed about it.

So either it does or it doesn't...
How can it be that the inventor is still arguing about the theoretical
possibility of his invention,
after he has already build it and shown that it works?

Were the claims false? Does the motor not produce a "kick"
where it should "brake", and does it not produce more output
than it should?

If it does not work at all, then why is the discussion still active?
And if it does work, then why don't the guys with theoretical
objections replicate it and try to answer the theoretical questions
themselves?
If they don't build and test it because they believe it is impossible
on the grounds of theory, then it is useless to argue with them
anyway because they do not believe that the inventor actually
has a working version, they don't believe it is possible, and they will
continue to present their circular argumentation, which will never
admit the possibility.
If they don't believe the theoretical interpretation by the inventor
because they have built and tested it and found it not to work at all,
then at least there is solid reason to disagree with the inventor.

But I don't really see anyone building the thing, I just see people
repeating that it can't work and I see the inventor repeating that it does.

Well, at least he built his version... And I can understand his conviction
that it works if he has a working version in font of him.

In any case, it seems to me that bickering over how a claimed effect
does not accord with the laws of nature is not very productive.
Every important electrical effect was originally discovered because of the
fact that it produced "anomalous" phenomena that did not accord with
estblished natural "laws" as they were understood at that time.
Scientific progress lives on anomalies and on discrepancies between reality
and theory.
To dismiss a possible newly discovered effect as impossible because it
does not appear to accord with natural laws at first glance is not as obvious
as some seem to think. If everyone had done so, we would not have been
able to refine the hypotheses into the quite nicely formulated and detailed
theory of electromagnetism to begin with. ;)
<snip>

Thanks, Koen1. I couldn't agree more. BTW, I was there in Thane's lab at Ottawa U., and his device, demonstrated for me, worked as claimed. In that case, a few months ago, Thane shorted the stator coils -   and I do mean shorted, by a series of typical steel-levered toggle switches - and the claimed RPM increase occurred. It works as claimed!!

However, some tentative theory is necessary to develop the device further, and therefore, the attempted theory is, in such a case, an assumption. This means, of course, it is subject to change, when phenomena and/or events turn out to be other than what the experimenter/developer expected. In my subject area, sociology, that type of thing happens all the time, and is part of the discipline.

I wish I was at the cottage!  Soon enough.  Just now I am busy hosting my dad who is visiting me from i_ron territory for the first time in 25 years.  First time he has seen my teenaged son, me as an adult etc. etc. He and my son are out bonding at Canadian Tire at the moment doing some sort of mysterious guy stuff, freeing me up to catch up on Thane's note from yesterday.  It follows:


DEAR ALL,



SO AFTER MORE THAN 6 WEEKS OF WINDING AND TESTING I FINALLY HAVE A COIL DESIGN WHICH WORKS ON ALL LEVELS FOR ME.



I WILL BE POSTING PHOTOS AND NEW TEST DATA IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.



CHEERS

THANKS JM, HAPPY BELATED FATHER'S DAY!!!

IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THE 2 ENGINEERS EYES LIGHT UP AT THE LAB AT THE U of O ON THURSDAY WHEN I DEMOED THE NEW COIL.

THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE ABOVE DIAGRAM/DESIGN IS THAT NOW I WOULD EXPECT THAT EVEN THE HC COIL'S BACK EMF INDUCED FLUX WOULD RATHER FORM THE SHORTEST CLOSED FLUX PATH ROUTE THROUGH THE HV COIL'S CORE THAN HANG AROUND IN THE AIR GAP BETWEEN THE HC CORE AND THE APPROACHING MAGNET.

QuoteHowever, some tentative theory is necessary to develop the device further, and therefore, the attempted theory is, in such a case, an assumption. This means, of course, it is subject to change, when phenomena and/or events turn out to be other than what the experimenter/developer expected. In my subject area, sociology, that type of thing happens all the time, and is part of the discipline.

THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT THERE MODERNSTEAM
INDEED TENTATIVE "ASSUMPTIVE" THEORY HELPS TO FOCUS DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS - WHICH IS FROM THE GREEK WORD:

ASSUMPTUOUS

MEANING - NOTICABLE, EYE CATCHING, FOLLOWING OR ASSUMPTULICHIOUS.

T