Hi Everyone,

This is both ON TOPIC and sort of OFF TOPIC

ON TOPIC:  We need to continue our present direction in designing, improving and applying the plasma spark to water to release the energy in it necessary to drive a piston down in an internal combustion engine, AS WELL AS THE MULTITUDE OF OTHER APPLICATIONS to which this technology can be applied.  We are definitely on to something here with LUC, Ossie, qiman, capacitor70, XBox, myself and others actually doing experiments and coming up with real results.

Since Luc started this thread, many positive results and forward direction has occurred.  I will be doing more of my own tests this weekend on testing a variation of the plasma circuits in here already and will post all results.  We are definitely on the right course of action because all of a sudden, S1R is coming out of the woodwork again, I believe to still attempt to lay claim to this idea, even though it was actually done in the 1950's by Adam Crawford in Scotland!

I truly believe S1R found something about Adam Crawford and then created a forum 3 years ago so the likes of us can actually figure it out for him.

Slightly OFF TOPIC:
I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but a few things don't add up.  S1R's write up description and posts on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum said the main coil was uninsulated BARE COPPER WIRE, and two coils using stranded insulated wire. 

I am degreed in Physics, but not an electronics guru by any stretch of the imagination, but even my 6th grade science teacher showed this in his electricity experiment, that electricity follows the path of least resistance.  Whether it is a straight piece of wire or coiled up a billion times, isn't BARE WIRE essentially a DEAD SHORT between windings, and therefore no different than a straight piece of wire (not counting the resistance per foot of copper)?  That was a rhetorical statement... LOL

Then today, S1R posted on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum, "the main coil has black tape on it, as well as "the other black coil."  The original statement, however said the other 2 coils were insulated stranded wire.  Looking at SIR's own picture very closely, shows the black coils are NOT black tape covering BARE WIRES ( I still can't get over the bare wire thing... LOL), but looks like standard factory insulated wire. 

OK, pick a story and go with it, S1R!

Then a nail just thrown in the air space of the coil as opposed to the wire being wound tightly around the nail, also would be a dead short across the bare wire windings as it simply laid on top of the bare wire windings.  Certainly one of those conditions would cause a dead short!

Years ago, I had a bad ignition coil on my car.  The primary showed 1 Ohm resistance which was OK and within the manufacturer's specifications.  The secondary coil however measured only 4K Ohms, but should have been on the order of 10K to 12K ohms, far below manufacturer's specifications.  That meant a some of the secondary windings burned (melted) and created a short between the windings resulting in greatly reduced resistance.

Then we have the best statement of all:  The coils slowed down the electricity enough so that the timing on the Briggs and Straton engine (funny how Briggs and Straton abbreviated is BS) did not have to be changed.

Again, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?  I do know there are timer/delay circuits one can design and create, but isn't that simply using components that allow for charge/discharge times and other components that vary the time of delivery of the electricity, but doesn't change the actual speed of electricity itself? Sorry, rhetorical again!  LOL

Regardless, these three coils certainly cannot "slow down" the speed of electricity to that extent!

OK, so in summation, we have Bare Copper Wire as a main coil, but then recanted to being covered in black tape, the other black coil also having black tape around it.  But S1R's original description said the 2nd and 3rd coils were insulated stranded wire, but then "the inventor's" own picture clearly showing otherwise (unless he's the best in the world at wrapping black tape around a wire to look exactly like factory made insulation), we have an inverter, but not really, we have 3 coils wound so that they "slow down" electricity enough to the extent where adjusting the timing on a BS engine (I love that) wasn't necessary, etc., etc., etc...

Again, I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but... draw your own conclusions and decide for yourself, but I am literally ROFLMFAO!

Back ON Topic:  For this reason, we need to continue on our current path and KEEP FOCUSED.  I believe we are close to the next steps.  As Luc has stated all along, we need to keep this all Public Domain for the betterment of us all.  The group of people I am working with have already agreed to make everything we do, success, failures and achievements totally PUBLIC for everyone here, on other forums and to have it available to everyone!  This is too important to keep any of it secret!

Regards,
Geo

Quote from: geovel56 on July 10, 2008, 08:26:05 PM
I am degreed in Physics, but not an electronics guru by any stretch of the imagination, but even my 6th grade science teacher showed this in his electricity experiment, that electricity follows the path of least resistance.  Whether it is a straight piece of wire or coiled up a billion times, isn't BARE WIRE essentially a DEAD SHORT between windings, and therefore no different than a straight piece of wire (not counting the resistance per foot of copper)?  That was a rhetorical statement... LOL
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Again, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?  Regards,
Geo

Hi Geo,

Despite you calling me a "crapster", I'm going to lend a hand here and try to add an angle to this.  I'm no electronics person either, but I've learned on this thread that an air insulation gap will provide insulation for 1-3Kv per mm gap.  Although it says no insulation (to which I interpreted that as no plastic insulation), perhaps there is an air gap/spacing in the coil windings which acts as a voltage limiter, so once the voltage reaches a ballpark area (of say 1-3Kv) the arc would short across the coil, and the remaining turns of the coil would be unused(?)  Seems a poor design, but perhaps it's enough to serve a purpose.

As for the speed of electricity, no it doesn't travel at the same speed through any medium.  I learned this from managing computer networks in the late 80's early 90's.  We would have LAN's using various types of co-axial cable, which would be a straight backbone design with terminators at each end.  We would know that there was a break in a cable somewhere which could be hundreds of metres long, and to trace that we would have to take a 1m piece of that specific co-ax, and using a box called a Lanalizer, work out the Velocity Propogation of a signal over that 1m piece of co-ax.  Once we knew it's vp, we could then send a signal down the network cable, and see how long it took for a reflection to occur (which is where there was a break in the cable - normally the terminators on the end of the cable would absorb this and keep the signal noise to an acceptable level), and using the two we could work out how far down the wire to a reasonable degree of accuracy the break was.  Different mixes of copper/gold etc propogate at different rates.  It's probably a moot point in this application as the differences are small, but they are there.

Shiver

Quote from: geovel56 on July 10, 2008, 08:26:05 PM
Back ON Topic:  For this reason, we need to continue on our current path and KEEP FOCUSED.  I believe we are close to the next steps.  As Luc has stated all along, we need to keep this all Public Domain for the betterment of us all.  The group of people I am working with have already agreed to make everything we do, success, failures and achievements totally PUBLIC for everyone here, on other forums and to have it available to everyone!  This is too important to keep any of it secret!

Regards,
Geo

You are right. It would be great if we can get this going. Some times things need to get shaken up.
Got my first step done. Tecumseh engine mounted on table/ rack. Next I need to get some sort of flywheel. Maybe a large pulley.

Off topic.

Quote from: Shiver on July 10, 2008, 08:53:14 PM
We would know that there was a break in a cable somewhere which could be hundreds of metres long, and to trace that we would have to take a 1m peice of that specific co-ax, and using a box called a Lanalizer, work out the Velocity Propogation of a signal over that 1m piece of co-ax.  Once we knew it's vp, we could then send a signal down the network cable, and see how long it took for a reflection to occur (which is where there was a break in the cable - normally the terminators on the end of the cable would absorb this and keep the signal noise to an acceptable level), and using the two we could work out how far down the wire to a reasonable degree of accuracy the break was.  Different mixes of copper/gold etc propogate at different rates.  It's probably a moot point in this application as the differences are small, but they are there.
Shiver

The local electronics store actually has this cool device that you hook up one end of a cable and it tells you exactly how long the cable is down to the fractions of inches just for the purpose of finding breaks in cables. Of course it did cost $ 400.00 but it was pretty cool.

@geovel56

QuoteWhether it is a straight piece of wire or coiled up a billion times, isn't BARE WIRE essentially a DEAD SHORT between windings, and therefore no different than a straight piece of wire (not counting the resistance per foot of copper)?  That was a rhetorical statement... LOL

In conventional current yes, Tesla said his radiant energy was based on "surface area", the voltage rise based on sq/in's of conductor

QuoteThen a nail just thrown in the air space of the coil as opposed to the wire being wound tightly around the nail, also would be a dead short across the bare wire windings as it simply laid on top of the bare wire windings.  Certainly one of those conditions would cause a dead short!

This is a loose coupling and it may be done for a very good reason and if you model the magnetic field you may find he is looking for the "edge" of the field where the rate of change is highest in a "static" field in oscillation within itself--- there is no collapse.

QuoteAgain, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?

I guess that might depend on whether the energy travelled "through" or "on the surface" of the conductor. As well if the magnetic field of a conventional current was not the energy carrier but a means for another energy to move on the current in an oscillitory manner then the speed limitation may not apply. If you want to do extraordinary things you have to do things out of the ordinary.

I don't mean to knitpick your post I am just saying many things are not as they appear, fields have geometries and propeties not taken into account, here is a good example-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Chladni