Since this has turned into somewhat of a political debate I'll add my two cents. If Al Gore were president he'd probably be all for this water fuel since it's non polluting, since he's all for green energy and therefore he wouldn't try to regulate, ban, bury, tax to death or do anything else you can think of to this technology. (yeah right) He wouldn't be "big buddies" with the oil giants either and gas prices would be dirt cheap seeing how the president has everything to do with setting the gas prices.  Oh wait I forgot, he's the reason we can't drill our own oil, him and his tree huggin' buddies, dang I can't believe that slipped my mind. Hey, let's get congress to put a price cap on oil that way it will be cheap. Oh wait, I forgot that they already tried that once too and we were standing in line to get gas. How in the world can we ask the oil companies to lower prices or produce more oil when we won't even drill for our own damned oil???!!! And let's not even consider nuclear power, oooohhhh noooooo.  We are at the mercy of the oil companies and the speculators and the futures market and the likes of China and other developing countries right now. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it except work on this technology that lies before us in this thread and hopefully we can eventually cut some ties with the oil companies. The only bad thing about it is the govt. will get their money one way or another, if it ain't from gas taxes it will be taxes from somewhere else. It wouldn't surprise me if they start taxing the air we breathe one day!!!

Quote from: DrStiffler on July 11, 2008, 03:54:57 PM
The strike from the upper atmosphere to the earth is similar to the anode to cathode of a spark plug in the experiments of this thread. The problem is that no one will realize that the action will not invoke a chain reaction. In other words it is totally localized around the event. The energy in a lighting strike is far in excess of the wildest dreams of any experimenter and yet it will not cause a spontaneous combustion or disassociation of water molecules past the periphery of the primary strike.

If mother nature can not do it with the power she has then you have little hope of mortal man doing it. If it were possible for a chain reaction (excitation) of non-localized water molecules, then I feel the earth would not be here today.

But I think that the properties of a lightning strike (width of plasma channel) differs in diameter depending on air pressure and other factors - means in an ICE the plasma ignites, there is a flamefront which leads to a circulation that forces non active water dust under high pressure to the (pulse shaped) plasma arc which causes more water to ignite than in the area of the arc.
In my understanding - there is a big difference between having the arc/plasma in "free space" and having the flame front in an enclosed space like a cylinder.
Probably a microwave ignition would give more chance to optimize the plasma.

rgds.

Who NOW is against drilling,  GWB is not on this list.

Just like the liberals have ignored the success of the surge in Iraq.

I spent a a good bit of time in the oil fields and know how they operate.

They could produce product within a year if allowed to they have already done the exploration and found the sources but have been blocked by the green agenda to exploit them.


But that is because it does not fit into the Liberal agenda.

TINKER

When did this thread turn into yet another political thread ?  I clearly remember that Gotoluc was given moderator privileges so this thread could stay focused on creating a circuit (or circuits) for plasma arc which might be applied to a ICE. This focus is clearly not happening. Please everyone. Lets stay on topic.. Start replicating and experimenting.

Hydeocc

There are implications to what we are doing here that should be addressed.

Opening another thread might be an option. I will leave that to others to decide.

Be Well
Tinker