Quote from: Shanti on July 12, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
@all: I really go with hydro. Stop debating in this thread about things which don't belong here (politics, is OU possible, use hydrogen, blabla) and stay focused. These threads here are about water arc systems and how to put them in a working system!

Don't understand me wrong. I think it's good to debate about it, but please not here, as otherwise the thread gets really disgusting to follow, if one is just interested in the water arc related topics...

About the lightning , rain, and it's power (which is actually the big version of what we build in small):
Well up until today, science does not fully understand what exactly happens on a lighting strike. For there's one problem: You can easily calculate the power available from the clouds, and you will be astonished, this is not that much. And what puzzles scientists until now is the fact, that the lighting develops more power than actually should be availabe according to the calculations...(some try to explain it for example by an electron avalanche that is happening)
And everbody that says a lighting does only develop power directly in the discharge, I recommend standing about 20m from a lighting bolt. It will throw you away from the blast wave (a friend of mine, happened this, a lighting stroke about 15m from the house...All windows gone and as he said a tremendous strong shockwave...)

Yes I totally agree, lets stay on topic please..
And those of you that haven't seen this video yet about the energy released should do it now.
It will only take 1min of you're time
Wasser / Water Explosion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O27hq1NC_U

And I have no doubt it will force an piston down if concealed in a cylinder.

/Fast

Not to detour off topic again but this is my 1st post all this science stuff is great, me and a colleague are currently developing an electrolisis system but after reading about the water arc, which in your experienced positions do you think is going to be the best way forward. After all I don't want to invest tooo much time into something that isn't going to produce the desired result (freedom from the grid) We're are based in the UK so therefore don't buy into your MIB bull and if they want to come knocking at the door then lets hope they got a big set of balls. As you may or may not know here in UK we do things slightly different to you guys across the pond and most hard working citizens have complete disregard for any gouvornment officials, religion or authority although our state are trying to reverse this by copying some of its younger brothers anticks. Eg the big brother scenario etc. and people just aren't as niave as they used to be. So any info on the best way to accomplish overunity please let us know because if it does work we'll make sure it gets out there before the legislation kicks in

Thanks Mr Copperpot 

Quote from: Shanti on July 12, 2008, 05:14:22 PM

And everbody that says a lighting does only develop power directly in the discharge, I recommend standing about 20m from a lighting bolt. It will throw you away from the blast wave (a friend of mine, happened this, a lighting stroke about 15m from the house...All windows gone and as he said a tremendous strong shockwave...)

What is believed to happen is whatever water molecules that are in the plasma arc's direct path are exploded. Of course you will feel a shockwave but that doesn't mean it's a chain reaction affect, if so then we might not be here due to lightning blowing up everything.

Quote from: Chester`C on July 12, 2008, 06:47:44 PM
Not to detour off topic again but ...<snip>

Thanks Mr Copperpot 

Electrolysis is known to be pretty inefficient, and the question is whether this inefficiency can be absorbed and still get an overall benefit with gasoline efficiency improvements by using it.  Fogging water is (potentially) much lower energy input for the return, but what's yet to be shown en masse, is whether it's a useful thing to do to extract a large amount of chemical work by using an electrical input trigger.  Everyone on this thread is hoping that's the case.

As for the rest of your post, as an Ex-pat from UK who decided to get the hell out of dodge, I find it truly scary that such a delusion can be maintained by so many people in this day and age and I'd love to discuss it further, but not on this thread.  I'd suggest starting here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=10FI0g0PMhY then finding a forum that discusses such things.

Shiver

Hi ,

I was checking out S1R's youtube profile, his only subscription is to Capacitor70. This leads me to believe that he is watching for a reason, this must mean that Cap70 is on the right track!!
Just an observation...

HV