OK I'm starting to be convinced of the Galvanic effect only unless 0ne can point out something.

I bought new leads and I can get charge slightly through some bits of light plastic wrapper but it is inconsistent so I'm thinking minute perforations in the plastic or surface moisture.

It seems the voltages I was getting via the air gap (and I don't understand this) were visible when I was holding the positive lead (new) in one hand and I was touching the plastic platform (that the set up is sitting on) with the other hand. This occurred in both the digital and analogue meter. At no time though was I touching the probe itself. That one does my head in .

There is definitely a galvanic effect happening as there is discolouration of the washers, dark stains on the paper contact points and cracked, peeling neo coating (nickel or chrome) at the contact points.

The paper placement however does change the polarity of readings depending on where it is placed.

There is one last experiment I would like to try. Distilled water with non plated steel washers. Or is there a better material that is magnetic but unlikely to contribute to a galvanic reaction?

Just a question. Would a rusty old steel gate hinge and an alnico horseshoe cause a galvanic effect? I get voltage from that as well.

Quote from: Jimboot on July 14, 2008, 06:37:53 AM
I bought new leads and I can get charge slightly through some bits of light plastic wrapper but it is inconsistent so I'm thinking minute perforations in the plastic or surface moisture.

Listen closely.

The reason plastics suck for magnet batteries, is because PLASTIC ABSORBS STATIC CHARGES. It all about static electricity. When you have metal/plastic/metal the electrons from both metal pieces are being absorbed into the plastic, then the plastic actually starts to repel the metals. This is killing the total effect, but not 100% depending on the exact properties of the plastic, and how well they react to static electricity. Just read about how plastic reacts to static electricity.

You want a substance that will still allow the electrons to pass from metal to metal. You don't want a substance that takes electrons from both metals and holds them.

Look at this thread I created at abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353950/pg1

Get a PLASTIC comb and comb your hair many times as fast as you can. The PLASTIC will absorb electrons and will be statically charged!!  Now... put that comb near a small stream of WATER. THE WATER WILL BEND TOWARDS THE PLASTIC.

The reaction above is really important to understand. It actually amplifies the reaction of the magnet battery!

Yes of course the pH level in water (acidity) will create a VERY WEAK CHEMICAL REACTION.  This is why on my website I strickly say to use "drinking water".  The chemical reaction is NOT enough to make this battery as powerful as it is.

The entire problem with ALL theories of today, is the theory about Magnetic Force! All theories of today are WRONG! They don't even understand what it is.  I DO, it is PARTICLES.

Metal does not make magnetic force, it only holds it and circulates it!  You have to find out what "it" is.  Ed Leedskalnin claims it is might actually be electrons running against another particle (protons?), but also says even the electron theory is incorrect and it is something else!

Electricity is magnetism running in streams (dc). Metal magnets are AC.  Very hard to explain in current day theory.

Don't try to correct me, just read and think about it.

Quote from: Jimboot on July 14, 2008, 06:37:53 AM
There is one last experiment I would like to try. Distilled water with non plated steel washers. Or is there a better material that is magnetic but unlikely to contribute to a galvanic reaction?

Well you could of course try nickel eh, that at least should not give any galvanic reactions with the nickel coated neos... ?

QuoteJust a question. Would a rusty old steel gate hinge and an alnico horseshoe cause a galvanic effect? I get voltage from that as well.

Well it can. Depends on the exact compositions of the materials I think. After all, at least iron and cobalt and I think nickel too have several
possible "oxidation states" so they can have slightly different ionisation potentials depending on what isotope you've got.
This gives a certain range of ionisation/emission potentials for both the iron hinge and the alnico magnet.
In theory there is more than enough room in this range to give rise to a potential difference and work function to generate a galvanic-type
electron exchange.
But without knowledge of the exact composition we can't give much more detail there.
Oh, and all that is my opinion of course so if you want you're more than welcome to disagree.

Quote from: Koen1 on July 14, 2008, 07:41:07 AM
Well you could of course try nickel eh, that at least should not give any galvanic reactions with the nickel coated neos... ?

DUH! Now I feel dumb! Although what about steel to nickel? If the plating lifts on the washers?

Quote
Well it can. Depends on the exact compositions of the materials I think. After all, at least iron and cobalt and I think nickel too have several
possible "oxidation states" so they can have slightly different ionisation potentials depending on what isotope you've got.
This gives a certain range of ionisation/emission potentials for both the iron hinge and the alnico magnet.
In theory there is more than enough room in this range to give rise to a potential difference and work function to generate a galvanic-type
electron exchange.
But without knowledge of the exact composition we can't give much more detail there.
Oh, and all that is my opinion of course so if you want you're more than welcome to disagree.

I'm not quite ignorant enough on the subject to disagree, sorry :-)  Impressed the socks off me though!

What about the voltage levels? I can get 5V but 3.5V is very sustainable. Would this be a believable for a gal effect? I guess I should test one washer and one battery in water eh? If the levels are the same when in water as they are out with just a piece of wet paper between them,, that's another one for the gal argument. Certainly with my brass washer test that wasn't the case.

Quote from: 0ne on July 14, 2008, 07:32:31 AM
Listen closely.

You want a substance that will still allow the electrons to pass from metal to metal. You don't want a substance that takes electrons from both metals and holds them.

Look at this thread I created at abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353950/pg1

Get a PLASTIC comb and comb your hair many times as fast as you can. The PLASTIC will absorb electrons and will be statically charged!!  Now... put that comb near a small stream of WATER. THE WATER WILL BEND TOWARDS THE PLASTIC.

The reaction above is really important to understand. It actually amplifies the reaction of the magnet battery!

Yes of course the pH level in water (acidity) will create a VERY WEAK CHEMICAL REACTION.  This is why on my website I strickly say to use "drinking water".  The chemical reaction is NOT enough to make this battery as powerful as it is.

The entire problem with ALL theories of today, is the theory about Magnetic Force! All theories of today are WRONG! They don't even understand what it is.  I DO, it is PARTICLES.

Metal does not make magnetic force, it only holds it and circulates it!  You have to find out what "it" is.  Ed Leedskalnin claims it is might actually be electrons running against another particle (protons?), but also says even the electron theory is incorrect and it is something else!

Electricity is magnetism running in streams (dc). Metal magnets are AC.  Very hard to explain in current day theory.

Don't try to correct me, just read and think about it.

Hi 0ne stuck my ear to the monitor but couldn't hear a bloody thing! :-) Only gaggin ;-)

Love your passion.

Have you tried distilled water like others have suggested? I'm trying to eliminate a gal effect as much as possible.

So far this experiment has cost me about $100 in gear so I don't want to be asking questions later! I've made the investment so I may as well be satisfied with my results, whatever the outcome.

Here's the next experiment I'm looking at; nickel washers, nickel plated neos and distilled water with the same paper measured with both a digital and analogue meter. All new leads!