This is what I've been explaining to people about the idea of the joe-cell

An electrostatic field is generated, this leads to disproportioning of water molecules into hydroxide and hydranium ions.

These ions migrate to get closer to the corresponding termination point of the electric field.

As they do, water molecules attract to these ions, forming water clusters.

The water cluster acts as a buffered macro molecule...its charge being spread over a larger volume so it become less reactive.

Evaporation of the water leaves these water clusters in tact while in a gaseous state

Now

When one decides to break apart these water clusters, either by heat or by vacuum then the hydranium and hydroxide ions are free to interact.

Wham

You get your reaction and a big hit of both vacuum and heat.

if ion's were free after evaporation it would create a conducting atmosphere.One simple test i see ,would be placing of two electrodes in a vapour.Electrodes connected to a charged capacitor.Free ion's would be attracted to the electrodes,when hitting it would slowly discharge the capacitance.The discharge rate can be then compared to a case of discharging in air and discharging in a HHO atmosphere supported by a regular (the simple) electrolysis.Electrodes distance should be set so discharge in air or water vapour will not discharge it,this way we will be sure that only ion's will be able to do it.

well you don't need to set the electrodes to ensure they won't discharge, what i think you want is a predictable discharge curve to then state the level of deviation from that, and also an appreciation of whether this is considered normal

What you can do is get multiple data sets with the same capacitor (one which is considered low bleed...like those used in high quality power supply's)

data sets (all at STP unless stated, 25oC, 1 ATM)

1. HHO gas
2. H2O steam
3. Air of temperatures


Having said that,

The idea I put forward was not one about having free ions in the air (which are actually pretty rare) but that there are hydranium/hydroxide water clusters built up in the water to the point where hydrogen bonding is insufficient to keep the water in a fluid form.

A question in my mind comes up with regards to how accessible the hydranium/hydroxide ions are if they are existing in a gaseous yet still clustered state, to that end...if they are buffered enough to prevent themselves interacting...why would an electric field get them to interact?

What could well be of consequence is the the ionic gaseous soup interfering with magnetic fields or even being channeled by them.

I take this from the fact of how the earths magnetic field is used to deflect ionized winds from the sun.

Thinking about this, could one have an HHO cell with an electromagnetic tapered tunnel to create some kind of thrust generator?

possibly in some kind of pulsed mechanism...tunneled up a....well suck it in their then blow it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator

that would be neat to do with HHO gas



what is the boiling point of HHO fluid?

...Evaporation of the water leaves these water clusters in tact while in a gaseous state...

if by thermal energy supplied H20 molecules have enough velocity to leave the remaining fluid,why r u so sure of a clusters (with weaker bonding) to be able to "survive" evaporation intact?

I agree that charge leak could be set as u proposed.

QuoteAn electrostatic field is generated, this leads to disproportioning of water molecules into hydroxide and hydranium ions.

Well I see it just the other way round...But actually I think this is a hen and egg problem...

Nice theory, but I think the point in you theory which really doesn't add up is, that the exhaust of your joe cell is not connected anywhere to the inlet of the cylinders!!! So no gas or anything that will be produced by the joe cell will be in the cylinder during ignition!