WOW LOL

Joe Kelley, You sound like you are still running for office. IMO
I didn't expect this kind of explosion, and after what you said, I have no need to say anymore. I was only referring to how you sounded to me. IMO

z.monkey,

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It was definitely something you wrote.
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In other words: You define the meaning of my words while I do not define the meaning of my words.

You assume no accountability concerning any possible misinterpretation concerning what you read as if all the power of error is anything other than your responsibility.

If something I wrote could constitute an attack upon you (unwarranted attack because you were merely being funny), then you could quote such an unwarranted attack, yet you choose to leave that supposed attack as an ambiguous supposed attack.

Suppose that you are completely innocent of any error or any wrongdoing whatsoever as you appear to suggest with your word choices. Suppose that your understanding of the meaning of the words I choose is more accurate than the meaning I meant with the words I chose? What does that say about your power of discernment?

You know my thoughts better than I know my thoughts?

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The lawyers wind up with all the money.
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You could have responded to me with your version of my thoughts and then you could respond to AB Hammer with this patent experience that you are now sharing with this forum membership. What does your experience have to do with me, other than confirming what I already have described with the meaning of the words I intended by my word choices?

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To suggest that a powerless inventor can somehow gain enough power to enforce a patent by which the inventor can fend off all criminal powers that are exerted in the effort to take credit, take patent ?rights?, and falsify any sense of reasonable justice is to ignore current reality.
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The current reality suggests that Open Source Vs. Patenting involves costs associated with Patenting whereby the power to enforce patent ?rights? may turn out to be a power that steals patent ?rights?.

Are you or is anyone here on this forum unfamiliar with the Stan Meyers example?

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We design and manufacture the products and then market them with a patent pending label on them to prevent people from trying to reverse engineer our products, but ultimately they could if they wanted to.
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Why ?try? to do something that cannot be done or something that is counter-productive or something that wastes time and energy that could otherwise be employed in a more productive manner? I ask this specific question because the whole idea is ludicrous to me. I would like to know the thinking behind the idea from someone whose words suggest that they support this idea where the idea is to restrict the flow of data that empowers people in their own efforts to create more power.

In essence, it seems to me, the idea suggests that knowledge is worth the effort to make it scarce on purpose. The contortions of logic employed in the creation of the idea includes such things as the notion that no one would ever work unless their work made them relatively more wealthy compared to other people (specifically the people who are not allowed to employ the knowledge that is made scarce on purpose).

Consider, if you care to, the invention of fire. How holds the patent? To me the idea is ridiculous. It is an excuse to justify the employment of punishment. If you can?t out produce your competition, it seems to me, you are in the wrong business. The Patent idea is an offshoot of the monopoly idea. The idea is to punish the competition.

Who has the patent on the punishment idea?

Am I still too serious?

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You think that you as a common man can actually change the course of our government.
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You have the power to think. You do not have the power to know my thought better than I know my thoughts. Your word choices prove this fact.

What do you think is ?our? government?

I govern. I am my government. I have the power to change the course of my government.

My government includes my relationship with my family. I do not have the exclusive power to change the course of my family government which is ?our? government to me.

If your choice of the word ?government? is meant (by you) to mean the Limited Liability Corporate Nation State Extortion Racket, then say so, rather than confusing that criminal cabal with our government.

I do not confuse our government with the crime ring. I don?t think in terms that are duplicitous on purpose ? for profit (at the expense of the intended victims).

Am I continuing to write like a southern lawyer? If so I?d like to compare my words with the words written by a southern lawyer.

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I find it repugnant to be badgered by someone which has to, at all costs, dominate a conversation.  Joe, you disgust me.  I am not going to respond to this thread any longer.
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If that is true it will be true. If it is not, then true colors will be confessed by action.

I call that tactic The Parthian Arrow exit. After blaming me for a failure to understand my words (as being too serious) the employer of the Parthian Arrow defines the exchange of data as his complete innocence and my complete error before exiting. The Parthian Shot is meant to injure the intended target while the shooter retreats.

Of course it is my entire fault, and if you truly do not read these words then you can rest easy knowing that you shot your Parthian Arrow and dream about how accurately that shot managed to injure your target. Way to go, dude.

I am not being too serious to me. The power relationship is beginning to accelerate in favor of honest, honorable, and productive people because more people are figuring out how to produce more power and less people are endeavoring to make power scarce on purpose ? for profit.

Karma may have something to do with the increase in power wielded by honest, honorable, and productive people.

I get a kick out of people who profess to honor copyright ideas. I usually ask them if they have every downloaded or ?shared? a program for free. If the answer is honest and the answer is no then that will be the first one in my experience. Usually the answer is ambiguous on purpose. Well?that?s different.

AB, Hammer,

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I have no need to say anymore.
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Then why do that which you say you have no need to do? Why not remain silent? What is the point of saying one thing and then doing the opposite?

IMO you confess your infection of brainwashing.

If no one here understands the significance of the relationship of total power available and total power exerted by criminals (with their patent enforcement mechanism) and what I describe as a political/economic law, then no one does understand that relationship. Why does the narcissist brain assume that their inability to understand something is automatically the fault of the person who offers that understanding?

If (or truly when) power is produced into a state of oversupply the powers that be will have relatively more power, however so will their intended victims. Currently the victims don?t even have the power to understand how power works in political economy.

I call that a pathetic situation. You can remain silent if you honor your own words.

Clearly the open source business model is gaining power over the patent punishment mechanism, because more power is on-line these days.

Joe Kelley


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IMO you confess your infection of brainwashing.
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I am not the over educated person using all the big words, that only few truly understand to try to show how intelligent one is.


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after what you said, I have no need to say anymore.
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This is what I said.
But you had to say even more anyway. IMO  You are trying to play the last word game like in a child's argument. FORCING ME TO RESPOND BY ATTACKING MY HONOR (BAD FORM!!) I don't like that game, but I guess it works in politics.

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Why does the narcissist brain assume that their inability to understand something is automatically the fault of the person who offers that understanding?
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
( 'Narcissism' describes the trait of excessive self-love, based on self-image or ego. )

IMO this only describe you.

Myself, I work for a living as a handicap blacksmith. No silver spoons here to be found. But it is funny how a small time(?) blacksmith can roue up a striving big time politician. LOL




Now: Joe, lets get back to topic.

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Clearly the open source business model is gaining power over the patent punishment mechanism, because more power is on-line these days.
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I agree with this to a point, but I would change it to.

Clearly the open source business model is gaining popularity due to the FEAR of the patent punishment mechanism, because more power SEEMS to be on-line these days. Yes you can get your name out very quickly but when everybody is making claims the credibility is seriously injured without the media or allot of people to back you up.

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I am not the over educated person using all the big words, that only few truly understand to try to show how intelligent one is.
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AB Hammer,

Will you ever get to the point? How about discussing the topic? Why must you and so many other people resort to personal attacks as a default means of exchange?

What happened to your not needing to say anything more?

Why must you say one thing and do the opposite?

Could it be that you are suffering from conditioned response pathological conditioning or where you born without a conscience ? and what does any of this personal stuff have to do with the topic and/or what I offer on the topic?

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I am not the over educated person using all the big words, that only few truly understand to try to show how intelligent one is.
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That is called diversion and it could be projection and/or transference. Words convey meaning; if you misunderstand the meaning, it makes sense to me that you will then feel hurt and a knee jerk reaction is to strike out at the person who is offering you words that convey meaning. You can call those words big words. You can accuse and convict me of trying ?to show how intelligent one is? while my end is altogether a different perspective.

From my end I addressed the topic with an accurate answer. You find reason to accuse me of whatever fault you can imagine and I suppose your imagination is filled with personal experience; hence the obvious link to projection and/or transference.

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You are trying to play the last word game like in a child's argument. FORCING ME TO RESPOND BY ATTACKING MY HONOR (BAD FORM!!) I don't like that game, but I guess it works in politics.
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I wonder if anyone else can see the duplicity here. I am called on and criticized for too much seriousness while Mr. Caps here accusing me of forcing him with words that he cannot grasp.

If you cannot grasp words, then be silent or ask questions until such time as you grasp the meaning and understanding contained in the words written or continue with your present method of discussion.

What about the topic? When I reply my intention is to discuss the topic, hence my questions concerning the topic and where the topic went. Did the topic disappear in your mind? The topic did not disappear in my mind.

Open Source phenomenon indicates a transfer of power from the old business methods to the new business methods. Out with the old and in with the new. There will always be a place for new knowledge that must be kept secret so the old methods will always be valuable. The new methods are merely gaining more power relative to the old methods.

See how that paragraph addresses the topic?

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IMO this only describe you.
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That may be true. If it were true, then I would not even consider it to be possible. That is the thing about narcissists who develop (or are born with) that pathology. They never question their own motives. They are always right, by default.

I am eager to read where you find me to be guilty of some error or even merely accountable for some error. Let me know if you find such error, I?ll be glad to entertain the validity of your claim, hence my asking for quotes from a southern lawyer.

I can quote one if you have none.

I?ll quote Patrick Henry, he is my favorite.

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Myself, I work for a living as a handicap blacksmith. No silver spoons here to be found. But it is funny how a small time(?) blacksmith can roue up a striving big time politician. LOL
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Your imagination conjures up boogey men. That is called a Straw-Man argument. You create something weak and then you defeat that weak creation that you make up in your mind. I am a career laborer in the construction industry who ran for congress while working 70 hours a week and while my wife was severely injured by post partum depression after our second child was born. I earned whatever I have learned about officialdom (dumb) despite my official education.

Your supposed ?rou? up? in your mind is merely more of the same conditioned responses that I?ve dealt with for many years; over and over and over again. I can spot these tactics because these tactics proliferate modern data transfer that passes (poorly) as discussion. I see this type of exchange as nothing more than the same old tired argumentation that dodges the actual topic, for some reason.

I ask for the reason when I ask: What is the point?

What is the point of creating this imaginary person who you defeat or rile or whatever you have cooked up in your mind? Can you not see that I have my own brain and I have my own life and I do not need you to define me nor can I accept your version of me since I am me and I have to live with me. You merely respond to the words I write.

Your version of me and your version of this data exchange is not my version, it cannot be, and it can be no more the same as mine than my version can be yours.

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Now: Joe, lets get back to topic.
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That is a novel idea.

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I agree with this to a point, but I would change it to.
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I honestly want to read the revision.

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Clearly the open source business model is gaining popularity due to the FEAR of the patent punishment mechanism, because more power SEEMS to be on-line these days. Yes you can get your name out very quickly but when everybody is making claims the credibility is seriously injured without the media or allot of people to back you up.
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I?m going to take apart the revision because I see the opposite happening. I can offer many examples of the open source phenomenon as it actually exists as I offer data that opposes your data.

I do not argue. If the data (not the person) appears to be wrong, in my view, then I offer opposing data.

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Clearly the open source business model is gaining popularity due to the FEAR of the patent punishment mechanism, because more power SEEMS to be on-line these days.
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More power is on-line these days and that can be proven. Solar panels and windmills are going up on houses in city neighborhoods and rural areas. I see this increase in power hooking up to the grid occurring right now. One neighbor of mine drives around with his self made electric motorcycle. The information required to power up in these ways is open source information. It isn?t a matter of false perception in these ways. When I wrote on-line I meant any connection or medium of connectivity whereby people are connected on a line with another or many other people.

Electric generation is now an emerging open source business model whereby the old collective producers are fighting to regain their power to monopolize that closed source. The open source phenomenon has won half of the battle so far. A home producer can sell overproduction to the grid up to the total electric usage per time. I think it works on a month to month basis. In other words: The open source home producer can produce twice as much as the home producer uses during the day and that credit can offset the entire monthly electric usage bill.

The other half of the battle is not won, yet. If a home producer produces in excess of his home consumption there will be no check arriving from the electric company. If a home producer is to circumvent that monopoly he will have to run a cable to his neighbor to sell excess electricity to his neighbor off the grid (the half open/half closed source).

Consider the opportunities that are possible when the battle is fully won and the source is fully open. You may be the first in your neighborhood to begin producing electricity for sale until such time as everyone has a home electric generating system. How would that work for you? You make electricity from free sources (including the sun) and you sell electricity to your neighbor because the collective (closed source) producers have to pay their own coal bills so they have to charge a high price for power (relatively high).

That is one of many examples of the open source phenomenon that is not simply limited to one thing and only one thing.

Here is your sentence again (the first sentence of a welcome revision concerning data I offered):

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Clearly the open source business model is gaining popularity due to the FEAR of the patent punishment mechanism, because more power SEEMS to be on-line these days.
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I can say that songs often convey wisdom.

Man hears what he wants to hear and disregard the rest (Paul Simon and The Boxer).

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Yes you can get your name out very quickly but when everybody is making claims the credibility is seriously injured without the media or allot of people to back you up.
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If you are describing a particular manifestation of the open source phenomenon then your data could be supported with an illustration or an example so as to convey more precisely that which you intend to convey.

If you make a free energy producing product and that product reduces your electric bill, then why not make two and make more power?

Let me know if my revision of your revision is agreeable and please consider offering a quote from a southern lawyer if you are going to equate me with one so as to support your viewpoint with accurate data.

Here is my revision of your revision:

Power produced into a state of oversupply will reduce the cost of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

Joe Kelley

I resort to insults ?? LMAO

I try to suggest to you that you need to write in simper language so that most can understand. And when I said you sound like a southern lawyer, it was an observation. I have had allot of friends in law so I know what one sounds like.  Then you start saying thing against what I consider sanity, so since I defended it and then myself, and you say I am resorting to insults?? You are the one not getting the point. You are dictating not discussing. Then you use as much talk with big words to show your intelligence. I am not impressed, and neither are others, or you would have more people posting.

When people use allot of words that most people don't understand, those people start to sound like $#!+ salesmen with mouths full of samples. Remember this when talking to the public, and you will have more people paying attention.

So far you have had no supporters show up on this string. So this should tell you something.Go back and rewrite in a simpler language and see if you get a response.


The facts are, and several people know this is true here. That I am a handicap blacksmith, and you acted  like it is some form of delusion.

Here is an old story for you. "Look at yourself from other people's eyes, to see the true you."

This is the last help I will offer you. Good luck