Quote from: forest on September 26, 2008, 04:46:27 PM
Interesting...What about of induction of eddy currents directly INSIDE water ? Breaking hydrogen bonds... ??

I never checked for magnetic fields, but to set up an experiement to recreate eddie currents within the frame work of this heater is going to require some serious equipment. Eddie currents today is readily seen on rail/trains breaking systems.

Quote from: DOCV on September 26, 2008, 04:24:55 PM

If you are interested in water heaters that have potential to be highly efficient try the Eugene Frenette Patent 4143639 or the one which actually makes claims of overunity that had to be proven in order for the patent to be granted which does use a dipole effect (sorry can't find the reference right now) but it basically acts like a miniature aerial within a cavity the supposedly has a COP over 2. Once again these things need to be built in order to verify the results.   

Thanks but Frenette is more an air (space) heater. I needed an adaptable water heater.
Grenier is perfect.
But I got curious about the other one you mentioned. More information, could you?

"it basically acts like a miniature aerial within a cavity the supposedly has a COP over 2."

Any clues as to where to find info on this device would be welcomed by all.
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From my research into the Frenette or Friction heater, it can produce hot water by 3 methods.

1. Run water though the unit...replacing the captured oil.

2. Add another metal enclosure around the unit...thus creating a holding tank where the water is heated.

3. Enwrap the unit with app. 70 feet of snugly fit copper coil...with the cold entering at the bottom, and hot water exiting from the top part.

Regards...

Quote from: DOCV on September 26, 2008, 04:24:55 PM
It's not about being discouraged it's about science plain and simple. One can speculate and throw ideas around as much as you want but at the end of the day one must test these ideas out. The davey heater does not heat water any better than an element....

Build one and prove yourself wrong.
Paul.

QuoteIt's not about being discouraged it's about science plain and simple. One can speculate and throw ideas around as much as you want but at the end of the day one must test these ideas out. The davey heater does not heat water any better than an element....

This statement is untrue, as at worst, the Davey heater will act as an "Electrode Boiler", which are known to be up to 99.9% efficient - ie. more effecient than "element heaters".

I have experimented with a few builds and can state definitively that Davey heaters do boils water much faster than at least one element heater - ie. my kettle!  The problem with this kind of experimentation is that it can get expensive, electricity-wise!  I was recently thinking though, if 'resonance' is the 'secret', then experimenting with pure distilled water would be the way to go - a Davey/Electrode heater would use no electricity 'normally', though neither will it boil the distilled water!  However this lack of activity could be looked on as a benefit, 'cos if resonance is the answer, current would only start flowing in appreciable amounts as the heater was 'tuned' to the 'sweet-spot' - LC-circuit-wise!