Quote from: efoda on November 24, 2008, 08:04:29 PM
Why is input power only relevant when you are referring to it as proof of efficiency and anomalous effects, but irrelevant when someone asks about it?

Good question.
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QuoteIf my question about input power is irrelevant, then why are you referring to input power as relevant data that you are using to prove a point?

You're making non-specifc claims that the input power is 'LESS THAN' and 'DRAWING LESS ENERGY'. By saying this, you are communicating that you are measuring it and that it IS relevant. So, it is only fair then that someone can ask... well then how much less?

Why is input power only relevant when you are referring to it as proof of efficiency and anomalous effects, but irrelevant when someone asks about it?

THE MOTOR INPUT POWER (MORE SPECIFICALLY CURRENT) IS ONLY RELEVANT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE GENERATOR'S REACTION TO LOADING -

IF FOR EXAMPLE THE MOTOR POWER INCREASED (REACTED) WHEN THE HV COIL IS ENGAGED (EVEN BY 1 mA) THEN I WOULD STILL BE IN MY BASEMENT TWEAKING AND NOT PREPARING TO PRESENT THE TECHNOLOGY TO THE USA DOE.

Quotewell then how much less?

TODAY THE STUDENTS AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY SAW A PRIME MOVER INPUT DROP OF 60 WATTS FOR IDENTICAL GENERATOR OUTPUTS - WITH THE (OLD DESIGN) MOT BI-COIL EMPLOYING THE HV COILS.

1) WITH THE NEW CONCENTRIC BI-COIL WE PRODUCED 5 "SAFE" WATTS AT 1200 RPM WITH THE HC & HV COILS ENGAGED. MOTOR INPUT WAS ABOUT 275 WATTS.

2) WITHOUT THE HV COIL, HC COIL ONLY AND INCREASING THE MOTOR SPEED MANUALLY BY INCREASING THE INPUT POWER WE COULD ONLY MUSTER 1.1 WATT AT 2000 RPM AND ABOUT 425 WATTS MOTOR INPUT .

THE INDUCTION MOTOR SLIP ANGLE % IS A VERY USEFUL INDICATOR OF LOAD TORQUE AS TO WHETHER IT IS COMPLIMENTARY (1 ABOVE) OR COUNTER (2 ABOVE).

2 ABOVE: THE MOTOR WAS WORKING HARD AGAINST THE HC COIL ARMAUTRE REACTION
1 ABOVE: THE MOTOR WAS WORKING EASILY AGAINST MORE THAN (5X) HC COIL ARMATURE REACTION AND ACCELERATING EFFORTLESSLY.

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Quote from: hoptoad on November 24, 2008, 08:44:12 PM
Good question.
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QuoteNO ONE CARES...
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE GENERATOR'S (GENERATOR = COIL + CORE) REACTION TO LOADING...

NOT

WHAT'S THE MOTOR'S REACTION TO GENERATORING...

Why use a generator whose most efficient when fully loaded and even then is 50% less than the conventional?  Just because it spins faster when fully loaded has nothing to do with how good it is.  Generators and motors (in the way we build them) are energy CONVERTERS.  You convert one form of energy to another.  Bogging it down in the beginning is the same as bogging it down in the end, your still converting one energy to another - and the main goal is to see the ratio between the input and the output, that is the relevance in these machines. 

What is interesting is developing a generator whose bogged down at the start, and then balance the forces so that it is no longer bogged down in the beginning.  This drastically reduces the energy requirement in the beginning - allowing the device to produce more energy than it takes to run.  When you can do this, I will be impressed.  Seeing a rotor spin faster when loaded just means it had considerable drag in the beginning. 

By the way, using a HV coil is not the only way to do this - there is a simpler way. 

Tells you one thing how efficient power conversion you have in you hc systems if your input increases 425-(275+60) = 90watt of 1.1watt out.
How can that even be, it's not like a 1.1watt output can set up a 90watt (or whatever it (above 1.1watt) exactly is) lenz drag once loaded, but hey maybe Nasa can explain?

Your "Generator's reaction to loading":
In Hc mode sux
In Hc+Hv mode sux less, but that is not a difficult increase since there is lot of 'overhead' in ya Hc conversion part.