Quote from: HEYDUDE on December 07, 2008, 01:23:19 PM
Another overlooked factor quite alongside of Captain Pecans attempt at overunity is to consider the amount of energy wasted in charging the first capacitor to 18.33 volts from the two 9 volt batteries.

As we are well aware every battery can be modeled as a voltage source in series with the battery's internal impedance. This internal impedance can be arrived at by taking a few resistors e.g. 1 Ohm, 10 Ohms, 100 Ohms. Hook your meter to the battery and temporarily place each resistor across the battery noting the voltage drop. From this you will be able to graph a series of load lines that will allow you to guesstimate the internal impedance using Ohms law for resistors in series.

If the battery were a pure voltage source (internal impedance equals 0 ohms) the instantaneous current would try to go to infinity for a brief instant until the capacitor charged. At that point the current would drop to 0 and the capacitor would be fully charged. The real world is not like this.

Since the batteries have  an internal impedance (resistance) this resistance will soak up considerable energy in charging the cap because all of the charging current must flow through the batteries internal impedance, generating a small amount of heat and wasted power. Roughly half of the energy that the battery tries to deliver to the capacitor is wasted in this internal resistance.

Although this is a side issue it will have to be dealt with at some point in the captains "design" if he is to achieve his goal.

There are a few ways around this involving a little engineering, but we know how some of you feel about those trained engineers, so we'll save that for another time.

HD

But my batteries never get hot when I don't use them, what have you got to say to that ??

Heydude makes a valid point about the battery's internal resistance.

There will be a 50% loss in this internal resistance and the external wiring to the capacitor in combination.

@ Dean, this internal resistance is in series with the battery cell, so why would the battery get hot when not in use (i.e. the battery terminals are open)?

@ CP,

Thanks.

poynt99

Great job on the document, should open a few eyes. Clearly explained...concise.

QuoteBut my batteries never get hot when I don't use them, what have you got to say to that ??

I'm sure this was tongue in cheek from Dean he knows better.

I keep my small batteries in the refrigerator, extends the shelf life a bit.

p.s. The "Young Effect" should be renamed to  "Young's Faux Pas" and posted in it's rightful place (z_p_e's "Electrical Faux Pas" thread) lest it become an urban legend on OU.

@99 

im building a 3 freq ss unit it is almost done would you be so kind to take a look at it to see if you spot any problems

it is simple to make and cheep to build ....

i will be posting pics of it later on .....  this is designed for low speed pulses and mixing of the freqs...to change the freq change the cap.....

this is for 3 freq MAGIC MIXING  I ment magnetic mixing 

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i bread boarded the first unit  then hard boarded the unit now im building a tripple ....

this will utialize allcanadians mosfet gatekeeper to redirrect the output ...

just bang and redirrect no resosance couppling between the coils...  in this unit 

   To  decrease losses in the capacitor leads use new polymer based room temperature superconductors.      Dielectric currents are popping up everywhere.  From Grumpy's windmill to electrostatic turbines in a vacuum chamber.  Seems the aether is full of dielectric currents.  Then there is Siemens on top of the pyramid creating a quick leyden jar with a bottle of wine and stungunning his guide.  Gravity current?