Quote from: CRANKYpants on January 12, 2009, 07:49:23 AM
AWESOME KNEEDEEP - WHEN CAN YOU SEND ME ONE?
THANKS FOR THE OFFER AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!

LOL  .... Fair Question !

It'd cost more to send you one than what it would to buy one new locally. But no need for a new one for experimental purposes.
Try leaning on some local friends who are into motor-cycles, if you know any. You might be able get a second hand motor-cycle bendix drive starter motor for nothing.

Modify that. Throw away the coil armature and housing and use the remaining shaft / clutch assembly.

Cheers

P.S. suggestions always offered free. 

Hello All,

There has not been much time that i have made a post ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3760 ) that during much study of the Perepiteia motor I concluded then that the apparent accelaration, was originated from the core losses drag lifted by the shorting of the HV coil.

Having studied hard from then the Bedini, Adam, and Newman motor elementary designs, i have concluded that this may not be the case.
In fact in may actually provide INPUT expressed as accelaration of the rotor.

I want you to confirm this: Have you ever put a high impedance (as high as suitable) and low resistance (as much as possible) coil near the spinning magnets. This setup MUST make the maximum accelaration. Does it?

Have you tried it?

ps: A typical Bedini "Energizer" or HIGH VOLTAGE COIL in you case, will be a 30 ohms coil, made of 21 gauge wire! That's a lot of Inductunce and impedance. Making a coil weighing about 2 pounds!

Quote from: baroutologos on January 14, 2009, 06:16:52 AM
Hello All,

There has not been much time that i have made a post ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3760 ) that during much study of the Perepiteia motor I concluded then that the apparent accelaration, was originated from the core losses drag lifted by the shorting of the HV coil.

Having studied hard from then the Bedini, Adam, and Newman motor elementary designs, i have concluded that this may not be the case.
In fact in may actually provide INPUT expressed as accelaration of the rotor.

I want you to confirm this: Have you ever put a high impedance (as high as suitable) and low resistance (as much as possible) coil near the spinning magnets. This setup MUST make the maximum accelaration. Does it?

Have you tried it?

ps: A typical Bedini "Energizer" or HIGH VOLTAGE COIL in you case, will be a 30 ohms coil, made of 21 gauge wire! That's a lot of Inductunce and impedance. Making a coil weighing about 2 pounds!

RIGHT NOW OUR HV COILS ARE TYPICALLY 150 OHMS OF 30 GAUGE WIRE BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY EXPERIMENTING WITH DIFFERENT GAUGES AND # OF TURNS TO FIND THE BEST MIX.

BUT AS YOU SAY THE COIL OUGHT TO HAVE HIGH ENOUGH IMPEDANCE (TO REDUCE THE INDUCED MAGNETIC FIELD SUFFICIENTLY) AND LOW ENOUGH RESISTANCE TO PRODUCE A SUITABLE DELAYED MAGNETIC FIELD.

I THINK IT IS SAFE TO PUT THE "SHORTED HV COIL CAUSING ACCELERATION BY REDUCING CORE LOSS THEORY" TO BED NOW - BUT EVEN IF IT WASN'T - ANY LOSS REDUCTION IS A BENEFIT.

CHEERS
T

RIGHT NOW OUR HV COILS ARE TYPICALLY 150 OHMS OF 30 GAUGE WIRE BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY EXPERIMENTING WITH DIFFERENT GAUGES AND # OF TURNS TO FIND THE BEST MIX.

BUT AS YOU SAY THE COIL OUGHT TO HAVE HIGH ENOUGH IMPEDANCE (TO REDUCE THE INDUCED MAGNETIC FIELD SUFFICIENTLY) AND LOW ENOUGH RESISTANCE TO PRODUCE A SUITABLE DELAYED MAGNETIC FIELD.

I THINK IT IS SAFE TO PUT THE "SHORTED HV COIL CAUSING ACCELERATION BY REDUCING CORE LOSS THEORY" TO BED NOW - BUT EVEN IF IT WASN'T - ANY LOSS REDUCTION IS A BENEFIT.

CHEERS
T

Hello again Mr. Heins

I think i have a better understanding in device you made.
According my point of view, the fast spinning of the magnets produces high voltage pulses to the HV coil. Since the magnet passes the dead spot over the coil and volatge drops to zero, there MUST BE a peculiar property of the inductors that create a current from the sudden voltage pulse that somehow amplifies far more the initial pulse in terms of energy. In your case when the voltage is applied, (magnet incomming) almost no current flows thanks to inductunce, but when voltage pulse collapses (magnet is over coil), a current must be present (as a high voltage/ high current spike) that will create a coil polarity opposite to the magnet.

I do not know, exactly, but i have a feeling that is the case. I will study furthermore and see what i can find.

To all replicators (including the creator) Please consider those suggestions and report findings :
,
1) I trust that if you apply a suggested typical 30ohms resistance of 21 AGW as a high voltage coil, the results will be astounding. (Bedini energizer) besides those specifications, the higher the inductunce and the lower posible the resistance the better the results.

2) Consider putting an OSCILLOSCOPE connected to your shorted HV coil. This will clarifies things even further.

3) An easy task. Connect the HV to fluorescence bulbs. They have to be lit (at some degree) while the accelaration effect goes on

4) Consider putting a very heavy flywheel (heavy mass to the rotor - can be placed on the other free end of the grinder...) and view results..

I do not try to be smart, but I reached to such conclusions by endless reading. (Since i lack any laboratory...)

One more thing i do not yet understand, but i am working on it... Why it is not sustainable? Has to be a why...

Regards

Hi Baroutologos,

concerning your explanation on the hv-coil-operation :

from what I have measured with my scope I can say that voltage is not very high if the the hv-coil is under a 10 ohm load. I was measuring a 150 Ohm coil which was magnetically coupled to the hc-coil which was triggered by another hc-coil. If you short the hv-coil you  will see no voltage at all that should be clear. It is not possible to measure any voltage without any reference-point. You only can do this with a 1 to 10 Ohm Load.  By this you can see the phase-shift of the current generated in the hv-coil in relation to the current of the hc-coil.
The current you are able to observe is the final state into which eddy-currents ( which you will not be able to measure ) develop in a certain time-span ( see Dixon-Papier.pdf )

Also something important : You can not measure  the magnetic-back-drag directly since the trigger - and generated fields are coupled both in the specific space- and time-frame ( here it is the air-gap at the time a magnet is passing by) . You only notice the variation of  input-current ( prime-mover) and in this case accelleration instead of decelleration of the drive-wheel

For a better understanding of this eddy-current-process I  suggest that you go to the Download-Section here in the "General documents and files" page 15 and read the "Dixon-Papier".

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=cat1;tpstart=140

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The clue of the process is described in the first 3 pages.

Best Regards

Kator01