Speaking of one wire on the JT circuit....  here is a link to a video I did a while back lighting 100 LEDs using only one wire from the JT AA Fuji circuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpx86Eg03g

there is much more that needs to be explored here in this area.  I did not use an AV plug nor did I use and earth ground.  We need to test this using both.

Bill

@ Pirate

After a lot of messing around with 1 wire outputs I've come to the conclusion that it's definitely RF, I've burned my fingers enough times when I temporarily shorted the output wires with my Big Fingers...LOL

It lights CFLs and Neons but I still haven't had any success lighting LED with any decent brightness.  Like you showed in the video LEDs will light just not as much as a CFL from what I've seen as far as brightness. 

When you were running hundreds of LEDs were you using 1 wire or both off the Fuji circuit?

The interesting part to me is the use of an off the shelf transistor, transformer, a variable cap and resistor and you get totally different effects than a toroid   I find the basic circuit, as far as I've tried, relatively easy for everyone to experiment with as long as they can get a hold of the same transformer, that could be a problem but getting a hold of the right toroids are no easy feat either....

Anyways it's all very intersting oh and thanks for the schematics thread again, the chronological order works for me

Regards,
Paul

@all
I've been a bit involved in other matters over the last few days (UPS's) so my presence here has suffered, but I have been thinking about what we are all doing and some ideas have been tumbling around in my head, (yep I got one of those things, fulla grey stuff on the inside and growin white hair on the outside lol)

@ist and those who are good at math, cause I'm dumb.

OK, this my 2 cents worth,
what we are trying to do is drive a JT with 1.2v or a 1.5v Battery.
This we have achieved in leeps and bounds.

Will this idea work, but first I present ist's quote below (thanks ist).
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hears a GREAT IDEA.......

stop doing it with miliamps 

try amps!!! ....................

ist!!
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Method 1
OK, make a number of JT's, connect them all up i parallel, you would need a lot of them to get any usable output.

Method 2
Use the output of 1 JT, connect to the base of a 2n3055, or a BD139 (smaller transistor npn) the collector connected to the bottom of a big coil, the top of the coil connected to the (+) Pos of the 1.5v battery. The coil energises, when the base of the TR goes "hi", Then it collapses when the base goes "lo", the pulse we rectify, and put it back via diode to the battery.

I also see a problem, if the coil has too many turns of wire, it won't be able to energise properly, because it'l need more volts, so how many turns and what size wire should be used so it will work with 1 cell?

I know we have been trying to make a 1.5v cell last as long as possible, but I think if we trade off some grunt or amps for efficiency, (as ist suggestered) then we might begin to get somewhere.

If a NiCad celll is shorted, it can put out tremendous amps.

If the 2n3055 cannot switch on and off because it needs a higher voltage, then we have to find a different device to do it, or find a way to do it.
Mabe we need to use a smaller vibrator coil to switch more amps through a bigger coil?

I can see this is going to be a balancing act, between coil saturation, Tr switching, current and voltage avaliable and timing or frequency on to freq off, or in other words a mark space ratio.

Then again this might be pie in the sky!!!!!!! but I carn't help thinking that other OU devices have been made, but they all use higher voltage, no one is attempting to do this with just 1.2 or 1.5v

jim
   

@IST: thanks for trying to make me see the light
but unfortunately your posts haven't clarified a thing for me...
What I make of it is that you seem to be saying that charging a cap
doesn't take any amps and so the amp draw on the primary
and battery connection will never increase when you pull a larger
voltage out of the secondary to charge the cap?

You also seem to be saying that high freq high voltage pulses
in combination with a capacitor and diode(s) produces a DC
output that is measurably higher than the input pulses fed to
the transformer primary.

Like I said before, I would like this to be true and want to believe you,
but have you really measured the exact power in vs out already?
So not just the volts and freq, but the amps too?

If this is true then can anyone else please confirm this, like Gadgetmall,
Jeus, Mark/MK1, electrime/Jim, anyone?

And if it is true then how come you, IST, with your uncanny ability to
whip circuits and coil contraptions together in the blink of an eye,
haven't turned your OU ouput device into a selfrunner yet?
Seems to me that if you're really getting out more watts than
you're putting in, you'd want to remove the input feed asap... right?

Oh and the reason why I'm so sceptical is simply because I have not
observed any OU effects in the little experiments I have done so far
with my simple JT variations using one or two secondaries.
So far I simply see the JT direct output drop proportionally to the
increased load added to the output secondaries. This is exactly what
one would expect to see from a transformer with multiple secondaries.
Yes I can collect charge on caps on the secondaries. But I think
what I catch in the caps is lost in the JT, although I can't really be sure.
The only gain I can clearly see in my experiments so far is that we can
now do this with "empty" AA batteries.

I like your new show and tell variety hour but I'm sorry to say
it is still just a jumble of exclamations and not a very clear story.
I'm sure you have a good point to make but could you please underline
it or rephrase it so it is more understandable?

@MK1: Well I finally made an attempt to the MK2 coil the other day,
and I tried it on a very basic JT last night, and...
... I got very little. I can light a single LED off each of the 4 secondary
coils but as soon as I hook up a second LED in series they refuse to
light.
I must have done something wrong... Now since you say you're getting the same
current in all secondaries, I'm going to try again but let me describe what I did
so you can point out where I went stupid.
So, as the basic JT I use a simple 2N3904 hooked to a 1K resistor hooked to the
end of the secondary coil of the JT, which is connected on the other end to the
primary coil and the battery positive. The primary coil is hooked to the transistor
negative on its other end. Classic, basic JT.
For this MK2 I used a 4-wind primary coil for the base JT and another for the base
JT's secondary coil, which are wound at positions 12 and 6 o'clock on the ring core.
I used real fine wire for the extra "secondaries". Wire was folded over to get a bifilar,
then I used this bifilar wire to wrap two secondaries. Wound them like the old MK2 pic
said, so that's 12 windings one way, say from 8 to 10 o'clock, and 12 oppositely
from 4 to 2 o'clock, then turned the thing around and wrapped 10 windings back
from 10 to 8 o'clock and 10 from 2 to 4 o'clock. Then I wrapped a piece of tape around
it all to keep the wires in place, and I cut the bifilar ends to get a total of 4 secondaries,
two on the one side and two on the other side.
It is possible that I dropped a winding somewhere as I had to re-wind one of the secondaries
after it got tangled up, but that shouldn't really make very much of a difference, should it?

After this I hooked the 4-winding JT coils up to the transistor and battery, and I put LEDs
on the secondary terminals. I put two on, on in reverse of the other, so I can see if there
is any alternating current going on. There is none. I only get output in one direction.
The output of the secondaries is very weak too: one LED will light per secondary, but more
will not.
I can light more LEDs from a classic JT, or a classic with a single secondary...
So contrary to what I should be getting I am not seeing any high voltage nor
AC from the secondaries here...
Something clearly did not go as planned. Which is really frustrating because
I really want to see what all this talk about excess output is about but this stupid
thng doesn't do anything of the sort... 
First I thought it was the wires, that perhaps I had broken the flimsy wire or something,
but a quick test with a LED and a 3V battery shows all the wires are intact and connected
properly. So I am at a loss why this thing doesn't want to play.
If you have suggestions for troubleshooting, please put them forth.

I am completely confused now...

I guess I'll go wind a new core later today, try one with 2 base coils of 4 windings each,
and with 2 or 4 secondaries of 4 windings too.
If what IST says is true and there is simply ou output coming from caps+diodes connected
to the secondaries, it should be possible to hook a secondary or two to a cap via diodes
and on to the input via diodes again, and the cap + diodes should  provide enough current
to power the JT. With output to spare from the other secondaries that would still light some LEDs.

@theNop:

Quotethat is true only if you put the coils in series.
what if you short one of the coil, will it change anything on the other coil(s) ?

Yes, in theory it would have a slight effect since there is still induction going on
in the shorted coil. If the resistance of this coil is smaller than that of the circuitry
connected to the non-shorted coil, then there will definately be current running through
the short, and this current uses some of the total power that was input by the primary coil.
But if you don't short the coil and leave it disconnected, there is no current path and
there will be a lot less inductive effect.
Not that it matters because we aren't talking about shorted or disconnected coils,
we're talking about a second secondary with a load, similar to the first secondary.
So that's simply two secondaries with the same load which equals one secondary
that is twice as long and has two loads attached... Or doesn't it?

Anyway, it is possible that the time frame thing is what IST was trying to say...
But then it is still not very clear... After all, doesn't the transformer concept
use the same principle? The energy put into the system during a relatively long
span is concentrated into a higher energy level over a shorter span, and this results
in what we can measure as relative voltage increase with amp decrease or vice versa...?
Isn't that exactly what I've been whining about these past couple of posts?
Or have I not had enough coffee yet and am I just being silly here?

@All: Have been looking for HEP638 Germanium transistor as in the Fusion/MK/Jeanna
low power JT schematic, but these seem to have gone extinct. There's none to be
found anywhere, and I can't even find proper specs on that type. Without proper specs,
I can't figure out which ones are comparable and could be used instead.
Also have been looking for 1N34 Germanium diodes for use in an "energy from air"
aka "Tate Ambient Power Module" circuit to use as input source for a JT.
These 1N34s also seem to be very rare and expensive.
As replacements I am considering AA121, 1N60, D2E, or FO215 diodes. These
are also rare and expensive but at least I can find one or two on ebay.

Can anyone please offer some advice or suggestions on other replacement diodes
or transistor types, and on where to get them cheap?
Thanks!

Kind regards,
Koen

P.S. I just ran into a shop to buy some stuff, found this little device for sale:
it has the size and look of a plastic gas lighter, it takes 2 AAA batteries (1.2V),
and when powered it blinks a little LED and produces 5.15V output.
It comes with connectors to the most common brands of mobile phone,
and is sold as "emergency mobile phone/MP3 player charger" for around $5.
Now I'm not sure but this sounds like a sort of JT to me... ??
I got one and have 2 AAAs charging up now in order to test how much of the
batteries gets used. I suspect that it isn't really a true JT and that the gizmo
will stop functioning when the batteries get low, instead of actually draining the
batteries completely like a JT would.
@IST: hey, if they manage to sell these gizmos that probably aren't even able
to run off "dead" batteries, then you must be able to sell such a charger that
is able to run off "empty" batteries... Right?

well guys i dont need to prove a thing 

you do ......


lol

when it comes right down to it .... lol this is ou..........................

it is the kick.........

and if you care to go beond this ....     sure we can do that too...


i hear they still scrach there heads to why transistors amp things

lol

harmonics!!


anyhow ...   keon1   MAYBE YOU NEED TO TUNE IT 

DID YOU SEE MY PICTURE ...

i lite the jt led full bright and the 4 secondaries are 3/4  all at once ....  this tells the whole tale .....

they are not lit from the hot engery supplyed ... but from the cold returning

transmitt in ordor to recieve ...   tiz the way of the universe ... 

let this be knowen  THIS MUST BE TUNED MANY WAYS

not just tuned as mk2 unit is ... it is 1 aspect ... of tuneing  ...TUNE TO CORE MATERIAL ....  ok then there is inductive tuneing ... then there is curcuit tuneing ... as GADGET HAS DONE ON THE FUGI... 

then in to out tuneing ....   

im sure i could find a few more ways it must be tuned ....   

then we could go all the way...  369 mass to mass tuneing tooo... 

i dont care ......   it is the kick that is it ....     plain and simple ....   all ou devices use this kick ....... be it electrical or other 

like cavatition   even resosnance ...  teters on this KICK..... KICK = COLPLASE

IST!!

now im wireing .... then photo shoot and the cap test..... 

@koen1

@IST: hey, if they manage to sell these gizmos that probably aren't even able
to run off "dead" batteries, then you must be able to sell such a charger that
is able to run off "empty" batteries... Right? Smiley Wink

now that was a verry constructive .thought 

now you bring in to the mix potencials ...  lol 

so im sure this will work!!!!!

works real well with caps charged with cold ... and 2 open ends..... 

i call it orbit!!

btw this is not new .... 

nuttin new under the sun......

and diodes .... have resistance....  hummmmm    i hear lowest common resistance diode is 100 ohm .....  a GOOD FRIEND OF MINE IS WORKING HARD ON A 1 OHM DIODE..... 

WHY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

LOL

HIGH VOLT HIGH FREQ ....   I TOLD HIM  TO GET A TUBE ... 

100 OHM DIODES ARE FOUND IN COMPUTER POWER SUPPLYES.... 

as i have seen  the higher the resistance .... the higher the rectified voltage...  the lower the resistance of the diode ... the higher the amps lower the volts.....   

i got work to do now l8rz!!