i wasn't thinking so much of you, butch,
as i was thinking of others i have observed.


you are willing to entertaine the device.
however exaggerated your offer is.


the ones i'm thinking of whine and moan and raise hell about how the device can only be "a hoax!!!" .

instead of considering how the device could be "true".



if a person only thinks about how something can not work,
than they will only discover ways that do not work.

if a person only things about how something CAN work,
than they will only discover ways that work !

if a person only thinks about how something can not work,
than they will only discover ways that do not work.

if a person only things about how something CAN work,
than they will only discover ways that work !
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What you just said above is a problem I have been up against for 15 years on the web.
If people put half the time and thought into figuring out how something might work as they do into how it will not work we would have had overunity machines on the open market ten years ago.
You think after 60 years I would understand people, but I am at a total loss as to why they behave the way they do.
Butch

Quote from: Butch LaFonte on April 30, 2009, 09:59:20 PM
You think after 60 years I would understand people, but I am at a total loss as to why they behave the way they do.

I can answer that, at least with regard to free energy opponents (i.e. those who do not believe in perpetual motion/overunity.)

This is not true as to all, but to many.  People enjoy being right.  It is very satisfying to engage in an argument, and come out on top, at least for many people.  The problem, of course, with intense, high level debates, is that they are very taxing.  You really have to be on top of your game with certain topics, or you can really be schooled.  It's hard arguing high level economics, math, sciences, etc.

However, arguing with a proponent of perpetual motion is very easy.  You are always guaranteed to be right.  No matter what manner of complicated device the perpetual motion nut puts forth, he is guaranteed to be wrong by more science than is comprehensible.  Centuries of study have gone in on establishing the current laws of physics.  The free energy proponent cares nothing for this body of study (and assload of empirical proof), but thinks that the "mainstream" scientists are simply not working hard enough or are too closed minded, etc.

So anyway, it's satisfying to always be right, and that is why people do it.  And the perpetual motion guys are pretty gamely about it, always continuing to believe the craziest crap someone puts on youtube without too much critical thinking.

most of the time, arguing is a fruitless waste of time.

in the case of these forums,
trivial argument buries innovation,
much more often than it reveals innovation.

if you people cut the excess from your communications, your research efficiency could easily increase by 600% or more.



there are dictionaries worth of things,
that mainstream western science, does not know.

there are hordes of things, that rich people have suppressed.
out of love for their cash cows.
or for their "influence".
or for their smug sense of superiority.
or maybe just because they feel like it.



anyone who thinks that mainstream science,
knows everything that exists to be known,
is a fool.


anyone who thinks that greedy people are honest enough,
to not hide information that is a threat to their income,
is a fool.


anyone who is EVER 100% convinced of their opinion,
and refuses to deeply consider the 1,000's of possible exceptions which could compromise their opinion,
is a super-fool.


anyone who thinks that "fossil fuel",
is the best energy source that the universes energy physics are capable of generating,
does not belong on this website.

because if someone believes that,
than what use could this website possibly have for them ?

why would they violate their sacred beliefs in absolute universe-wide energy-loss,
by coming to a website that is NAMED after getting more energy out than in



unless......
they are just here to ARGUE with the researchers.

for the sake of arguing.........

Quote from: Butch LaFonte on April 30, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
Mylow,
If you can take the present self sustaining magnet motor from your last post and ship it to me, I will pay shipping costs to me and the return shipping to you and put it on public display with an armed guard.

Is Mylow even aware of this offer? Is he an active member at this forum?
If NOT then asking for his participation is fruitless as he will never read this invitation.