Yes but you understand why? The resonance is the key to power amplification, but tapping it from the other side of the spring or pendulum is what makes it free.
If you tapped the energy stored in the pendulum directly there would be no excess energy.

Quote from: i_ron on May 20, 2009, 03:48:06 PM
Merg,

Interesting, I had forgotten that. The only conclusion can be that even with very very inefficient replicas OU is the norm.

Ron

:Y  I think a good mechanical OU concept would work with wood, stone.. etc whatever..  Because if it has to do work of meaning. If a little drag, friction or a slight missmeasurement should not be of any problem to show the concept.

Quote from: i_ron on May 20, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
Hans, your statement above was made in ignorance. I provided you with a link, yet you have not corrected your slanderous remarks.

This does not surprise me as I have read your, “Milkovic’s pendulum is bullshit” remarks on other lists before now.

So, to the best of my abilities, I have done the experiment and published my numbers, which you ignore. With an attitude like that why are you here? Have you no personal integrity to correct your wrongful statements, to honestly investigate new sources of information?

You have certainly exposed yourself and shown your true colors to this list.

Ron

What are you talking about? I have not slandered anyone. I merely said that Ron does not show how the so called "output" was measured. Then I said that if it was measured with a spring scale the results are invalid as the energy gets fed back into the system.

Both statements are correct and based on good science.

I am not the only one that as a result of experiment, measurements and also simulations came up with the conclusion that there is no overunity in the device but a net loss.

Brian Berrett initially thought he had overunity but quickly found out that this was not so. He then just walked away from the whole deal. There have been many others that have tried over the years. Milkovic himself has played with this thing of his for many years and is still pushing it with his finger.

I challenge you to do what others including me have done. Build the device and make some honest measurements and then report what you have found and how it was measured.

Hans von Lieven

Hams von Lieven

Simulations will not show you this accurately, the best way to do it is to test it for yourself. ((Edit) Sorry I wrote this before I saw that you had replicated it.)
A simple beam with a pendulum or spring attached, both of which will work.

Look at the two extremes of operation, first when it is completely loaded, which means that you attach something so heavy or a work so hard that the beam wont move at all.
Then just remove the load as much as possible and look at the difference.
What do you see?
The relationship between resistance in load and the draining of oscillation has reversed completely.
If you force a wheel to do more work it will slow faster in its oscillation.
If you however turn that wheel into a 2 stage oscillator, and load it at its new output, the opposite will be true. The more you load it, the less energy will be lost in the oscillator itself, just like the pendulum in the milkociv device.

Do you not see these facts as something of importance?
Btw, hints and hints before, all acoustical amplifiers works by the same principle.
Without a resonant chamber all good blues and guitar music would have had to wait until the electrical power amplification era of tubes and transistors arrived. This goes also for any instrument using the phenomena. Now hans, in an energy conservation perspective, would you care to explain how this is possible?

Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 04:42:15 PM


I challenge you to do what others including me have done. Build the device and make some honest measurements and then report what you have found and how it was measured.

Hans von Lieven

Hams von Lieven

Alright, I accept your challenge, now read my report

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Merenja/Ronald_Pugh_Input-Output_Measurement_Mk5.pdf

Ron