Quote from: BWS on May 30, 2009, 12:47:59 PM
@gravityblock,

Perhaps you should quit this site, its clear to me it has driven you to bitterness.  I have not spent millions, but perhaps $200,000.00 .  It takes many failures to achieve success where everyone else has failed.  Go study Edison, Tesla, Alexander Graham Bell, etcetera.  Besides, its clear to me you do not understand the phenomena or science.  I'm not about about to give up on my patent, it's design is an eventuality, there is no other way around it.

I'm willing to discuss all other aspects of the science except my brush configuration because I could not otherwise protect myself.  The belt takeoff system is interesting for proof of concept, but the voltage yielded through it would still be small.  Listen to me or attack me, it won't change the science, and if you want to violate Lens' Law, you should respect my words.
-BWS

And you understand the science?  You had no idea why you had cross voltage in your 1995 prototype.  You had cross voltage cause you had different polarities on each side of the disk.  If you really understood this science, then you should have realized this.  Had no idea on how to properly use shielding.

You are in disagreement with everything I say, not cause the science is wrong, but because it doesn't fit with your patent so you can benefit.  You want to saturate the disk with current so you can hook the circumference of the disk in series to boost the voltage.  This is total nonsense.  You don't need to saturate anything to hook something up in series.  You can hook batteries and capacitors up in series to boost the voltage without saturation, but can't do it in this case.  What would happen if you hooked things up in parralel?  Would you need to saturate the disk for this also?  LOL

You actually believe your way is the only way (you have said this a few times, which tells me you do not have an open mind).  This is B.S. and very naive for you to even think like this.  No wonder you've been working on this for the last 20-30 years.

I wonder why the guys in Fort Wayne, IN dropped the ball on you.  They probably walked away laughing at the concept because it's not based on science and is totally ridiculus.

I rather be bitter, than to be greedy or to have financial success.  Money is the root of all evil, and this is your motivation.  My motivation is for our planet and not to be suppressed by the powers that are and to be.  You can easliy prove me wrong by releasing the information on your brush system.

For those who may be interested, I have a few ideas on how to boost the voltage in the brushless setup.  I'll be posting this in the next couple of days.

I have a dremil drill that can run between 5,000 - 35,000 rpm. A rotozip tool that runs at 30,000 rpm and a router at 25,000 rpm.

I was using the dremil drill as a motor, but there is AC coming off the shaft.  I tried to put non conducting material between the shaft and magnets, but it's still picking voltage up that is coming from the dremil.  In fact my meter is picking up AC when the probes are near the dremil without any contact with it whatsoever.  So, I don't think I can use the dremil for a testing device. 

Does anyone know if it is possible or have any ideas on how to use one of those devices without having the the voltage from the motor influence the test results?

Thanks,

GB

Edit: I think the information in this post is fairly accurate, but I don't think it will work.  You can read it for information, but my next post is maybe the correct solution.

OK, here's my theory on the voltage.  First I will try to sell this idea and please correct me where I am wrong.   

In a simple induction motor, you have the ends of the coil facing two magnets in a N/S configuration.  The polarity is determined by the direction of rotation according to the left and right hand rules ( I have heard the left hand rule for generators and the right hand rule for motors, but I never hear anyone really talk about the left hand rule.....so I will need clarification on this for those who do know).

What if we do a N/Coil/S configuration in the brushless system where the coil is rotating with the magnets.  Every turn of wire in the coil should increase the voltage since more of the wire will be cutting the flux.  The north side of the magnet should induce a south pole on the end of the coil that is facing it, and the south side of the magnet should induce a north pole on the end of the coil facing it.  The direction of rotation should determine the polarity in the system, and the magnets and coils should be in series with each other, thus having the same polarity in the entire system.

Here's how to determine the length of the coil.  Take the magnets you'll be using, and have the north and south sides facing towards each other at a distance where they do not feel an attraction force.

Slowing move one magnet towards the other until you feel an attraction force.  The distance between the two magnets will be the length of the coil and allow us to have the maximum number of turns cutting the flux.

The width or diameter of the coil will be determined by the diameter of the magnets.  This will also allow us to have more turns of wire cutting through the flux.  I realize this over wound coil may not be a good thing in a motor and cause overheating.....but this will be a good starting point.  If there is overheating, then we can lower the diameter of the coil.

Now we have a N-magnet/ S-Coil-N/S-magnet that are in series and should boost the voltage without a counter force since the magnetic fields are not changing it time in either the magnets or the coil.

This is the thing to remember.  Although the magnetic field is uniform and not changing in time and appears to remain stationary, the coil is moving through a uniform field that is changing in time.  I'll elaborate on this a little more.  The field between the outer and inner radius is different between each and every point between them, and the electrons will be cutting through this uniform field as it runs through the inner radius and outer radius of the coil, which will cut the lines of flux that is changing in time between the inner and outer radius of the magnet.

Another thing to think about.  The electrons in the disk either travel from the axis to the rim or rim to the axis in a straight path because this is the path of least resistance (the path is more than likely slightly parabolic due to the rotation, but this doesn't change things).  In the coil, the electrons are not allowed to follow the path of least resistance due to the turns in the wire, which will allow the electrons to encounter more resistance and travel in a circular path from the radius to the rim or vice versa.

The pancake coil and this method can not both produce a radial field.  In the pancake coil, the electrons are following a circular path from the center to rim parallel to the disk or magnet.  With the coil sandwiched between the two magnets, the electrons will travel from one end of the coil to the other end of the coil that is perpendicular to the magnet's face. The magnets will not have a force to move the electrons through the coil, but the electrons have already been induced with a force that should move them through the coil to allow them to cut through the flux.

One of these methods should be right and they both will cause more resistance due to the number of turns, thus causing the electrons to cut more of the flux.

If I am overlooking and missing something with this, then I have other ideas, which will allow us to slowly rule things out. One of them must be right, I hope.

Thanks,

GB

Actually the North and South Poles don\'t determine the polarity, they determine the direction of force.

We have divided the magnet on it\'s axis in order to have the terminology of north and south.

Let\'s now divide the magnet on it\'s poles and we will call one half positive and the other half negative.  This forms a vortex between the two halves.

As a rotor magnet\'s north pole approaches a  stator coil, the first half of the magnet (positive) will determine if it pushes (repels) or pulls (attracts) the electrons.  We\'ll say the positive side will attract.  After the magnet is in yaw or alignment with the coil, it will then enter the negative pole of the magnet, which will repel or push the current, which is in opposition to the first half.  Now we have an alternating current that has nothing to do with the north and south poles of a magnet.

When you have a magnet on each end of the coil with opposites poles facing the coil, then the positive side of one magnet attracts, while the negative side of the other magnet will repel the electrons, thus the electrons will have the same direction.

In the homopolar disk, the electrons will be attracted from the center of the disk to the rim of the disk.  Once the electron is at the rim of the disk, then it will be repelled from the rim of the disk to the center on the other side of the disk.  Actually one side is attracting while the other side is pushing the electrons at the same time.

One could say that the electrons will move from the center to rim on one side, then from the rim to the center on the other side.

This is how we need to make our coil of wire.  We need to have C-shaped coils that completing surrounds the conductive coated magnet, then hook the coils in series.

This sounds like a sound theory, or maybe move us in the right direction.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,

GB

P.S.  This would suggest that the field does indeed rotate with the magnet.  If it didn\'t, then we would have an AC current between the axis and rim of the disk or magnet.  This is Ezekiel\'s wheel inside a wheel. And the wheel didn\'t move (The coils didn\'t move, but the magnet inside the coil connected to the axis did.)

WooooooHOOOOO. LOL

I\'ll try not to let my excited get the best of me. 

Quote from: gravityblock on May 31, 2009, 11:04:12 PM
I have a dremil drill that can run between 5,000 - 35,000 rpm. A rotozip tool that runs at 30,000 rpm and a router at 25,000 rpm.

I was using the dremil drill as a motor, but there is AC coming off the shaft.  I tried to put non conducting material between the shaft and magnets, but it's still picking voltage up that is coming from the dremil.  In fact my meter is picking up AC when the probes are near the dremil without any contact with it whatsoever.  So, I don't think I can use the dremil for a testing device. 

Does anyone know if it is possible or have any ideas on how to use one of those devices without having the the voltage from the motor influence the test results?

Thanks,

GB

Hi GB,

If you're running with an insulated coupler then any AC seen on the disk output will be very high impedance as it will be EM radiated and then received by your conductive disc. If you measure your disk with just a high impedance DMM or scope then the AC will be seen strongly as it manifests as voltage across the high impedance load. But if you load the disk output up (lower the output impedance), say with a 1w 100ohm metal film resistor (i.e make with 4 * 1/4 watt 400ohm in parallel), then the high impedance mains signal will all but disappear leaving you with DC accross the disk, also then you can easily calculate real power out out in Watts by (V*V)/R.

P.S. at those speeds, dont place yourself edge on to the disk, any defect in the neo could prove painful!

edit:
I will read and think about your brushless ideas above and reply in a few hours.