@ Pirate

Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 07, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Jim:
Would you mind posting your scope shots of your earth battery here showing the freq.?  If I remember correctly (which hardly ever happens) I think it was in the kHz range.

Thanks.

Bill

Well Bill, when I did this a couple of years ago, all I got was a sympathy of ground electrical noise all mixed up in wriggly lines, nothing was static but constantly changing.
What I realised, there are many and varied voltages and currents, I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to understand what is going on.

Just be aware, that 50Hz or 60Hz may/will show up as there is a lot of this stuff leaking into the ground.

Hmmmmm tell you what Bill, how about all of us take a scope outside, then poke the scope probes in the earth and record here what happens.

Maybe someone here could tell us what our cros are showing.

Lets see if there is any similarities with scope shots.


I have two oscillopes, a BWD511 (old as the hills) and a newer one DSE. Both are low bandwidth

see 1095.jpg = Both cro's, they both display identical outputs
They are measuring directly off my earth battery in the back yard.

Close ups of identical waveforms
1090.jpg  = BWD511 cro, screen shot
1092.jpg  = DSE cro, identical screen shot

Switch settings (older cro needs a bit of maintenance as the switch settings do not match but are close
1903.jpg = BWD switch setting
1904.jpg = DSE Switch setting

0430.jpg I did when hmmmm a few months ago thats for sure, there is a difference.

jims Australian Earth Battery wave forms

@xeno,
Good find with the 410 Hz.
In one of the Russian PDF files there was stated that it was using 400 Hz, so the 10 Hz difference could come from videoplayer or digitizer lag..

Thought I would post a TWV I took on my mobile, it shows how the waveform from my earth battery  moves around, perhapse this will give people here some idea how electrical activity is moving in the earth.

Some things that i stumbled upon while studying patents and russian documents, that i want to share here:

The patent speaks of :

Quoteconverts the independent energy  -received by the second bobbin from the air- to electric energy  .

So the energy is independent from the system (radiant?) and comes from the air rather than the earth?

And one key point to the interaction of the primary and secondary:

Quoteit stabilizes the difference between the magnetic flux of primary and secondary coils.

is that meaning phase differences mainly or flux amplitude differences?

Maybe the coil design tuning is not that important if the stabilizer is doing such magic?

If the earth resonance is playing a role, then it needs to be also noted that there is a controversy as to what the earth resonance frequency actually is.
Schumann  sais 7.83 Hz. , Tesla was more convinced it is 12 Hz and some Tesla enthusiasts
even believe that it might be 5000 Hz (because in Wardencliff Tesla operated his spark gap with 5000 interruptions per second).

Many thanks for the interesting scope waveforms.

If anybody has a digital scope where he can save the waveforms,
it would be nice to analyze the waveforms during the day and night
to see how the freqeuncies are changing and what frequencies are all included
inside the earth currents.
But it seems 50 (Europe) or 60 (America) Hz are the biggest amplitudes coming from the grid
error and back currents.

I wonder, why then the one document says, that 400 Hz are used ?
Maybe the LC circuit components are easier to resonate at 400 Hz instead of 50 Hz ?