Quote from: jeanna on July 20, 2009, 07:39:53 PM
Hi Altrez,
Are you also restricted by not owning your land?
I think your results might improve if you were to separate the probes more than they are.

But first!
Please go back out before it is too dark and set it up again and push the up button until you are reading Mv. I do not know why they made a cap letter. but these would be millivolts.
I am at the range of 10 Mv/div for this. You get a nice wave until you get the to closest (most to the right) point. Then it smoothes out.

So then, go to the left and the right once you have the waves visible. OK?

Let me know or see, if there is still enough light.

jeanna

Hey! i own my home thankfully! I am recharging the scope so it will be in the morning. I will move them out. How far should I go. I think we need to set a standard so everyone moves to the same distance for testing. That way it will keep it all the same.

-Altrez

Altrez:

The alignment is much more important than the distance but, the distance is important too.  I am at 15 feet on the N/S Meridian with my carbon much deeper than my mag. to try to match my dip angle.  If everything is lined up right, you should be able to get over 1.5 volts which will exceed the galvanic part of it.  Mine runs between 1.95 and 2.25 vdc.

Let me know if you need any help.

Bill

Quote from: altrez on July 20, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
Hey! i own my home thankfully! I am recharging the scope so it will be in the morning. I will move them out. How far should I go. I think we need to set a standard so everyone moves to the same distance for testing. That way it will keep it all the same.

-Altrez

I am glad you have the flexibility of owning.
I agree with Bill; distance apart is less important.
It just seemed extremely close to be 1 foot apart, so I mentioned it.
I am glad to hear you are recharging. Is that what was wrong?
I just did a movie of much more time, but it is not the whole range, so I will do that again. There were glare problems today. I guess I need an umbrella of some kind. Plain beach umbrella.
I did another one of the closest. It is 2.3MHz today. and it moves around differently.

jeanna

@ Greg,

Have you ever come across any information about a standard distance between probes for Earth Cells?
Altrez has raised a very good point here, we do need a common standard here to follow to begin tests.

I was thinking about having a set range, distance of probes apart, and depth of probes for a start.

I know the deeper one goes the higher the output, but not everyone has probes 10 foot long.

We all can get the usual length zinc coated roofing nail or bolt, then there needs to set a "standard" for the thickness of both electrodes used, because the wider the electrode is, the more area is exposed to collect energy.

So there would have to be a grading scale chart, wouldn't there.

What would your thoughts be on this Greg? and I am also inviting our readers who are reading this, if they know how to do this, please let us know.

In Gregs first post here he mentioned about the name we call the "EB", I noticed no one picked up on this, has anyone given it any thought?
Actually, after sitting here, I forming the opinion, the probes are just another part of a "tuned" device to hook up with the energy.
If we look at an TV antenna, it is tuned for a range of frequencies and null-outs the rest, the same occurs in a radio receiver, they use 1/2 wave, 1/4 wave, even 1/8 wave antennas which is a divided measurement into the full wavelength, hence the usage of the word "dipole"   

I don't want to get any deeper than that cause my math is my weakness, so I will leave that to others.

@All 
My LED on my EB or EC is still going, at same brightness, very very dim, but it is still there.

I have 4 geranium diodes, these just might end up as a bridge, just to see how they perform against the 1N4007 I have.


jim

Jim:

Great work on your EB and the led!

The problem with a standard as I see it would be that, depending upon where one is located, will determine some of the factors.  I'm no good at trig but I did figure out how to get my distance and depths to match my dip angle.  If you change one factor you have to alter the others, etc.  This will be different for you, Jeanna, me, Greg, etc.  Now Altrez is in my same state, and even on my end of the state so his numbers won't be too far off from mine, really pretty close actually.

Now, if you are thinking about just having folks get two rods, all exactly the same for everyone and stick them in the ground the same depth and distance apart no matter where they are and then look at the waveforms, OK, I see how that could be useful to compare those results.  But if folks are going to attempt to maximize their EB outputs, there will be no standard I am afraid.

I also say that EB are not really EB's at all Jim.  Earth Energy Receivers, or antennas, etc. as you said would be more accurate.  I have just always called them this even though I almost always knew it was wrong.  Maybe we should change that.

Bill